I'm mostly libertarian, and think their "open borders" stance is fucking absurd. There will never bee a libertarian society without borders, because outsiders will inevitably flood in and turn it into a non-libertarian society.
Property rights are absolutely essential, which yes, includes the idea of having some kind of border for that Libertarian society whereby you say by entering this area, you hereby agree to abide by our conditions, or be considered trespassing.
In a very distant future where everyone is libertarian, maybe we can do away with borders entirely.
In a very distant future where everyone is libertarian, maybe we can do away with borders entirely.
I don't think human nature allows for a unified global society, unless that distant future involves us becoming the borg or something. We are biologically hardcoded with a limit to how big social systems can get before becoming pathological and eventually fragmenting. And people have understood this for a long time; it's essentially what the Tower of Babel story is about.
To be clear, I don't think that society will ever exist, for the same reasons why socialism or communism doesn't work. Property rights and the ability to say "no" to others is absolutely fundamental to a peaceful and prosperous society.
To be more specific, I imagine something like two cities, Commutopia and Libertopia, and each has their own Communist or Libertarian constitution and law. Commutopia is certainly allowed to be communist within their border, but once you leave Commutopia or enter Libertopia, you have to leave that behind and agree to the Libertarian rules.
I don't think Libertopia would survive for long if they allowed people to come in and change the rules at will. "Libertopia2" with strong "get off my lawn" borders would absolutely out-compete "Libertopia1" with weak-borders, simply because the open-borders policy leads to tragedy-of-the-commons.
I'm mostly libertarian, and think their "open borders" stance is fucking absurd. There will never bee a libertarian society without borders, because outsiders will inevitably flood in and turn it into a non-libertarian society.
Property rights are absolutely essential, which yes, includes the idea of having some kind of border for that Libertarian society whereby you say by entering this area, you hereby agree to abide by our conditions, or be considered trespassing.
In a very distant future where everyone is libertarian, maybe we can do away with borders entirely.
I don't think human nature allows for a unified global society, unless that distant future involves us becoming the borg or something. We are biologically hardcoded with a limit to how big social systems can get before becoming pathological and eventually fragmenting. And people have understood this for a long time; it's essentially what the Tower of Babel story is about.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeesistance is futile. You will be decolonised.
To be clear, I don't think that society will ever exist, for the same reasons why socialism or communism doesn't work. Property rights and the ability to say "no" to others is absolutely fundamental to a peaceful and prosperous society.
To be more specific, I imagine something like two cities, Commutopia and Libertopia, and each has their own Communist or Libertarian constitution and law. Commutopia is certainly allowed to be communist within their border, but once you leave Commutopia or enter Libertopia, you have to leave that behind and agree to the Libertarian rules.
I don't think Libertopia would survive for long if they allowed people to come in and change the rules at will. "Libertopia2" with strong "get off my lawn" borders would absolutely out-compete "Libertopia1" with weak-borders, simply because the open-borders policy leads to tragedy-of-the-commons.