I lived in China for a while (2009-2010), and it's always been like this. They can (and will) jail you for whatever reason they want, and will seldom tell anyone. I had an Indonesian roommate whose uncle was arrested. He went on a business trip to China, and just vanished. They found him in a Chinese prison via private investigator- 4 YEARS later. Took another 2 years to prove his innocence of tax evasion. I was nearly arrested for trying to go to my class. To the officer who wanted to arrest me, there was no valid reason for me to go into the building aside from helping Chinese students cheat on their standardized test. If two of my Chinese buddies hadn't come by right then and pulled me out of the situation, I'd still be rotting over there.
My nephew is entrenched there, in or near Shanghai, since I think 2015.
It was his dream to join the diplomatic corp and studied China and their languages in high school including 6 months there as an exchange student.
He flat refused his very liberal Portland and now Bend OR parents' efforts and the purchased flight home in late February, said no problem being American there and free heathcare if he got sick so he was just going to wait it out in his apt and teach his students online.
My brother said he was fine in early March when he related the above, acted like they were worried for no reason... but has gone radio silence to our Mom and with anything family related online since then. I fear they don't have any contact fromtheir only child since but are afraid to say that in any communications. And no one wants to ask.
I suppose my Mom's tart he chose to stay in the bed he made rather than be smart or careful is still true. But I truly fear the worst of got sick and no message allowed to be sent out of China- or he got taken away as a foreigner when things got really bad there.
No one ever wants to go to china. But sometimes they have to for business or whatever. I just want to warn all frens not to go or you could wake up in a pit next to winning the pooh
Honestly I've always wanted to go just to china and parts of Europe just to see the countries, experience different cultures of the world. Over the past 5 years I no longer want to visit those countries. Thanks for the warnings.
Visiting China and Europe taught me so much about how good America is.
I expected to be overwhelmed by China and realize they were going to overtake the US. I visited Shanghai and in their largest mall their escalator banks were all screwed up meaning the people going up/down had to shift from the right side to the left before getting on the next bank of escalators. Just now a real deep understanding of fire to do things right. This was omnipresent.
In Europe we spent all day on trains to get to some church that my European family wanted to see. After hours and hours of travel we were on a bus that broke down probably 2 miles from the church. We could see it. The bus just offloaded us and left everyone to fend for themselves. They decided just to go back home. I couldn't understand accepting failure like that. Get an Uber. Finish the job. I didn't even care about the church but let's do this. Then go home. But instead they just sit at train stations smoking, waiting for the late mass transit.
Haha sounds like a crappy Church outing. Go back to Europe, especially Italy. Just do random stuff, eat and enjoy cool history & hang out. Helps if you can afford more that $1/day tho.
I went to Munich on business a couple of months before the world ended, and rented a car to get to some of the more out there places. It went very well - I went to Neuschwanstein Castle. Didn't get to go inside because Chinese tourists bought up all the tickets, but I got to take the classic picture from the bridge.
Many people there were complaining that they had to leave soon because it took 3 hours to get there by train (It's an 80 mile drive). Remember, this is in Germany, which generally has good trains, but not to out of the way places. It took only about an hour to drive there...
Ironically, most of the people who were complaining about this were American liberal exchange students...
You say that because you're an American. You get it. We (mostly they) wanted to do this. Let's fuckin roll. But I think in Europe the attitude is different. They're used to just taking shit and not getting their way. It's sad, I hope they can change.
I was choosing between Shenzhen and eastern Europe for school abroad. (Cheaper to go). I chose Eastern Europe. I shudder to think of the other timeline I went to school in China
Best advice on this is if you want to experience traditional Chinese culture (Confucianism, Taoism) go to Taiwan. The people are way friendlier and you don't have to worry about the CCP.
It's a very neat place, I'd love to be able to visit again some day, but even a decade ago it was extremely dangerous. I'm hoping the younger generations will turn things around over there- there's a lot of discontent with the Party over censorship, harsh punishments, and the little problem of 30 million more men than women in the millenial generation.
You are arguing something different entirely. I never said that civilization in China hasn't existed in some capacity for a really long time.
I never said inventions didn't come from the region.
I never said China has never had culture.
What I said is that it's in the past. That isn't China in 2020. China severed it's ties to the past.
Did some people hide relics/artifacts from the Cultural Revolution? Of course.
Communist China has ruined China. They have massacred millions of people, and they have destroyed their culture with the goal of looking to the future.
If you’re white the danger is less as China likes to focus on arresting Asian Americans, especially Chinese Americans when they return to China. Went with a dude that said he looks like he’s from HK and he was strongly considering cancelling his trip just because of the danger of looking like a HK native.
At least at the moment China knows they need to rely on America to keep getting manufacturing, so they tread carefully but it may not always be the case.
Indeed. I had to be careful about which restaurants/street vendors were OK to eat at, but generally a simple sniff test takes care of that. A decade later I still get cravings for soup from the little Ma La Tang shop near my appartment, grilled leeks from the grill run by a little old lady just outside the school every evening during the week, and the Xiao LongBao from the dumpling place on campus.
The Great Wall and other historic/cultural sites. That’s the history buff in me though. The sane person in me says I’ll just read about it. Unfortunately Great Wall, Pyramids, Hagia Sophia and a few others are just too dangerous to go see.
Hagia Sophia is safe to go see. I was there in January . Istanbul is a very modern, developed city rich in cultural heritage and very conservative ideals . It actually seemed like a rare occasion of peace and equality between the diverse cultures . Thanks to American influence in the media, new generations no longer doubt what a functional society actually looks like and I'm sure certain political waves and ideologies will be die at the feet of the young and upcoming generations . Much like the burka in France . Teen girls of Muslim/Arab families no longer see the need value of the burka and are proud to embrace showing off their bodies as they wish . Another tradition that will die with aging generations
All other countries in the world deny visa requests for people they don't want in their country.
China approves all visa requests, and then deny your ability to leave if they don't like you. Usually followed with detainment/imprisonment. They don't have a legal system, the government can arrest you for nothing and you will not have your day in court.
Don't be stupid. Stay away from China whenever possible
Communist countries, period. It's NOT a joke about how people disappear in the middle of the night and nobody knows what happens to you. Don't even ask me how I know, but it's a legit threat.
Why wouldn't you just say good things while there getting footage and then do voice-over or edit when out of their reach? Sounds like bad tactics to be negative while in a country that doesn't have free speech...
On the other hand, 'pedes, DO go to TAIWAN, the free and democratic China where you can still get your fill of amazing Chinese culture, architecture, food, languages, et cetera, all among great people who know that Communism and totalitarianism (but I repeat myself) are evil and wrong.
I visited last fall and had an amazing time. Only got to see busy Taipei and picturesque Chiufen. Can't wait to go back!
Taiwan is all about the idea of self determination as a Nation & that’s all the reason we need to support it(same for Israel).
Taiwan & Hong Kong shows that Chinese people’s with Rule of Law and Democracy can do well and prosper, which the CCP can never admit to or they’ll lose power.
Well we are at War with China and the pretence is falling away fast... Thank God for Trump a few more years and it would of been to late.... Now we have a fighting Chance to Preserve Christian Civilization from the Godless communists'..
A fighting chance is what we have... Ttat fight starts here taking back our nation from the communist that have infiltrated our institions of power. They will not leave without a fight and they will hide the violence they use behind whatever hapless greveince group they can find... I fully expect them to hold up Puppes and Kittens as they hurl molitove cocktails and then call anyone that fight back Puppy and Kitten killers...
Trump should tweet about this. Bet you good money it would cause wacko leftists to travel there in droves; they could get a lesson in what their ideology means for the future.
I used to be real excited about wanting to visit China about 5 years ago. But I started watching ADV China (and also moved from a liberal to conservative) and eventually convinced myself to never visit. China is a fucking dystopian hell-state! I shifted my desire of visiting China to Japan and Taiwan instead.
Last year I actually got to go to Japan and it was an amazing experience. Really wanted to visit Taiwan this year, but looks like it will have to wait.
I had a layover in China once. Let me tell you that was an experience I never want to go through again. We must have had 50 papers to fill out and had our bags searched more than once.
Communist govt mindset- even when technically they are out of power the behavior in those with any kind of authority is impervious to the change:
Moskva, January 1993.
Technically, TECHNICALLY, no longer Soviet Russia.
Legally, Aeroflot was privatized and an independent international business.
Officially, all rules on documents payments procedures etc followed westernized standards.
Yeah, about that....
First, the rigid uniformed woman at the small check in table for an internal flight was straight out of central casting for a 1950s Russian bureaucrat.
Tried to insist US Aeroflot tickets sold were not valid, had to buy new ones in rubles- short version is I out intimidated her and the system no longer backed her authoritarian gig.
Then the damn shuttle bus driver who first refused to load us without USD "payment" and drove away- in a fucking blizzard mind you! A solid foot of ice was built up in the lower anteroom INSIDE the doors. He eventually returned with a huge scowl, slammed open the doors, and shouted in Russian Fine! Get in! No Charge!
Yet another raised in the Communist system petty authoritarian used to being able to do whatever they liked to non- Party Members or citizens.
And the Domestic terminal- wow. It would take a whole chapter to describe the bizarre. Utter chaos, 11 hour delay, and no one in charge or information from staff (staff? What staff?) or display boards.
This was so typical of any govt or business I was almost used to it after 4 days in Moscow.
The most efficient parts were modern bathrooms that functioned and the snack counter ladies in the basement who appeared more capable of handling chaos and masses of shouting milling people than a NYC Deli 5 minutes before closing. Except they never closed.
The few families stranded too didn't have even snacks for the children or extra money- you could tell from the worried faces and embarassed shushing of their kids asking about dinner as it got later and later. So I pretended to the kids their Moms had sent me to get the food I bought and handed the Moms the teas and buns and danishes and my stash of dried fruit and nuts to give their families. My tiny amount of Russian was JUST enough to pull it off, and a direct look into the first Mom's eyes as I flat lied was all it took for her to catch on and pretend it was true and for the other Moms all clustered in our little corner to follow her lead. The husbands stared in confused silence, then made casual faces and played along.
The babushka lunch ladies and soldiering on families were an example of REAL Russians who preserved their cultural society and attitudes towards everyday life even under the oppressive universal Soviet surface for 70 years- I think their naturally cynical nature and distrust of authority combined with the lack of a uniform cultural norm prior as well as vastly more land than people plus infighting for much longer.... had prevented the Chinese indoctorination cradle to grave model from taking hold as deeply or thoroughly.
Some people are working on a translation to a game that I've been wanting for almost a decade, an unofficial fan patch that will insert a lost chapter right into the center of what is now a 9 game series, a PIVOTAL moment in the game-world's history. But there is no Japanese PC Version. Oddly enough, China got a PC version but Japan never bothered to do one for themselves, as the previous game's Japanese PC version sold poorly. So now people are looking to buy the Chinese PC version, which I would normally support, as piracy is bad and if you want a thing you should pay for it. But it's CHINA. And I'm not giving a single fucking CENT to that commie shithole. So now I'm going to have to jump through hoops to try and find someone in the US who owns a used copy of this thing, and I'm probably going to give him a fucking fortune for it. But I'd rather do that and keep every cent possible from them than get it cheap but support the greatest enemy of Freedom in the modern world.
Legend of Heroes, Trails to Azure, actually. The Trails series is very, very involved. Trails in the Sky Trilogy, set mostly in the nation of Liberl, two years later Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure, set in the northwest of that, in the State of Crossbell, a sort of Client State set up as a buffer between the Erebonian Empire and the Calvard Republic, and featuring a new main cast. Also, happening simultaneous to Zero and Azure, Trails of Cold Steel 1 and 2, but these happen in Erebonia to Crossbell's west, specifically in the eastern half of Erebonia, with ANOTHER new cast. Then Cold Steel 3 and 4 happening... I think 2 or 3 years after THAT, but involving all of the previous plotlines, politics, cults, terrorist organizations, secret societies, and main characters of all the previous story arcs, while ALSO having the new story of ANOTHER NEW MAIN CAST.
It is a very, VERY worldbuilding intensive JRPG series, dealing heavily in both the internal and international politics of all these nations. Also deals with things very intelligently and even handedly. The stewing unrest in Erebonia, for example, between the Nobility and the Peasant Class explores both the virtues of self determination and the ability of a free market to allow the "common man" to rise in status and power through hard work and intellect, and also the virtue of a noble house that originally spent its wealth and blood to build that nation continuing onward in a role of a protector and governor of his lands by governing in accord with the interests of those formerly his vassals but who now think of themselves are free citizens, but still give their loyalty to their baron/duke/what have you because of his fair governance. Villains run the gamut from the aristocrat who believes that Nobility is inherent and the peasant scum must be kept in line to the Communist Agitator who wants to burn the mansions to the ground and unmake the "unfair system," but who has zero plans to replace it with anything. Hell, there's even a part where some commies are disguised as workers to gain access to something, and they've been in place there for months to sell the illusion, but all of the actual employees hate how lazy all the new kids are, that they never seem to want to actually put in any hard work.
I can't recommend the series highly enough, if you've got enough time to spare for really diving into a game and talking with every NPC and getting into a setting. Every NPC has their own life going on, you can follow their storylines across the spans of whole games, whole story arcs, and for two roaming idiots (Ricky and Anton!) across the series as a WHOLE, as the two travel from town to town, nation to nation trying to find... I'm not even sure anymore. I actually tend to take my vacation time so I can submerge myself in this alternate, less infuriating world for a week or so at a time, before resuming my real life where 5 days are nothing but work, sunday is nothing but God, and then my one floating day off is trying madly to catch up on all the shit I fell behind on during the week. Speaking of which, I need to go switch my laundry again.
I passed through China last year on a layover and was basically treated like a criminal. Bought two tickets to Bangkok from LAX through Quingdao and Xiamen on a Chinese airline. I get to customs, was forced to stand in line for well over an hour with no access to a restroom. Get all my bags searched, and get patted down. Go through security. Repeat. Find a restroom. It’s a hole in the ground. Little kids climbing under the door while I’m squatting. Constant knocking and waving under the door to hurry up. Constant pushing, shoving, and spitting. Domestic connection. So no customs for my next leg. Wrong again. Numerous lines, waiting for hours in lines while employees played on their phones. Pass through a line. Wait in another line. More paperwork, more pat downs, more questioning, all to connect through. Same shit on the way home. Next time I’ll pay twice as much to connect through Japan when I want to see my Thai in-laws. Never dealing with China again.
This whole covid thing was just a warning shot from China. Trump was clamping down on them. They retaliated by convincing everyone our economy needed to close down.
Remember all the "shocking" footage of Covid from China? People collapsing in the streets? Giant trucks sanitizing everything? It was all propaganda to make the west react.
China owns the news media, sportsball, hollywood, video games, and even politicians. Remember the WHO guy that ignored the Taiwan question? Why do you think that is? Why did Trump pull out of WHO? Now tik tok is being banned in some places due to China malware.
China is communist. BLM are communists. Antifa is communist. China is supporting all of these marxists.
Goddamnit... We are headed straight for world war 3 again I'm afraid.... Whether the world wants it or not, chy-nuh is going to force it down our throats....
I have been to China many times and had very few issues. I managed an engineering team in Beijing and Shanghai. Visiting was always enjoyable. Food was great, although I did it at higher end establishments. Forbidden City, Great Wall, and shopping in Yu Garden was interesting as it was established in 1559. Both my children took 4 years of Mandarin in High School (both in college now) unfortunately I cannot take them to China now. I enjoyed visiting and met many wonderful people. Bottom line, it was great. Things change and it is very dangerous now. If you want more information check out laowhy86 on YouTube he has a great channel but essentially had to escape china last year. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChvithwOECK5g_19TjldMKw
I second this. When Canada held that Chinese Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou for extradition to the US, the Chinese imprisoned 2 Canadians for "spying". They are still in prison, will probably die there. The Chinese executive is living it up in a Vancouver mansion, while these two are rotting in a Chinese jail. Trudeau has done nothing.
Don't go to Hong Kong either. That was on my list for vacation in 2021, but with the power moves the CCP has done there, it's basically China mainland now.
If I planned a trip to Taiwan, you think the ccp bastards would try to get me?? I really wanted to visit their island after they told the CCP to piss off.
No intention of visiting that shit hole anyway. US should permanently ban any travel to the US by Chinese citizens if any US citizens have been detained. Boot any here immediately.
Look up Serpentza. Good youtube that used to vlog about life in China, he basically got hounded out of the country with an active search warrant out on his head. He escaped through Hong Kong.
I can just go to 99 Ranch if I want to feel what it’s like to be in China.
I lived in China for a while (2009-2010), and it's always been like this. They can (and will) jail you for whatever reason they want, and will seldom tell anyone. I had an Indonesian roommate whose uncle was arrested. He went on a business trip to China, and just vanished. They found him in a Chinese prison via private investigator- 4 YEARS later. Took another 2 years to prove his innocence of tax evasion. I was nearly arrested for trying to go to my class. To the officer who wanted to arrest me, there was no valid reason for me to go into the building aside from helping Chinese students cheat on their standardized test. If two of my Chinese buddies hadn't come by right then and pulled me out of the situation, I'd still be rotting over there.
God was looking out for you by the sound of it.
Indeed He was.
My nephew is entrenched there, in or near Shanghai, since I think 2015.
It was his dream to join the diplomatic corp and studied China and their languages in high school including 6 months there as an exchange student.
He flat refused his very liberal Portland and now Bend OR parents' efforts and the purchased flight home in late February, said no problem being American there and free heathcare if he got sick so he was just going to wait it out in his apt and teach his students online.
My brother said he was fine in early March when he related the above, acted like they were worried for no reason... but has gone radio silence to our Mom and with anything family related online since then. I fear they don't have any contact fromtheir only child since but are afraid to say that in any communications. And no one wants to ask.
I suppose my Mom's tart he chose to stay in the bed he made rather than be smart or careful is still true. But I truly fear the worst of got sick and no message allowed to be sent out of China- or he got taken away as a foreigner when things got really bad there.
Can’t think of one reason why anyone would want to
No one ever wants to go to china. But sometimes they have to for business or whatever. I just want to warn all frens not to go or you could wake up in a pit next to winning the pooh
Honestly I've always wanted to go just to china and parts of Europe just to see the countries, experience different cultures of the world. Over the past 5 years I no longer want to visit those countries. Thanks for the warnings.
Go to Europe. It's supposedly as good as the US. You'll see it isn't. And then you can skip the chances of dying in a country with no law
Visiting China and Europe taught me so much about how good America is.
I expected to be overwhelmed by China and realize they were going to overtake the US. I visited Shanghai and in their largest mall their escalator banks were all screwed up meaning the people going up/down had to shift from the right side to the left before getting on the next bank of escalators. Just now a real deep understanding of fire to do things right. This was omnipresent.
In Europe we spent all day on trains to get to some church that my European family wanted to see. After hours and hours of travel we were on a bus that broke down probably 2 miles from the church. We could see it. The bus just offloaded us and left everyone to fend for themselves. They decided just to go back home. I couldn't understand accepting failure like that. Get an Uber. Finish the job. I didn't even care about the church but let's do this. Then go home. But instead they just sit at train stations smoking, waiting for the late mass transit.
Americans would never tolerate that.
The last time I was in Europe, I was thinking, "Shit, my bathroom is bigger than your kitchen, or any of your bedrooms."
Haha sounds like a crappy Church outing. Go back to Europe, especially Italy. Just do random stuff, eat and enjoy cool history & hang out. Helps if you can afford more that $1/day tho.
That was Italy, lol. I'll go back someday, I still had a good time. I just want to steer the ship, we shouldn't have given up.
I went to Munich on business a couple of months before the world ended, and rented a car to get to some of the more out there places. It went very well - I went to Neuschwanstein Castle. Didn't get to go inside because Chinese tourists bought up all the tickets, but I got to take the classic picture from the bridge.
Many people there were complaining that they had to leave soon because it took 3 hours to get there by train (It's an 80 mile drive). Remember, this is in Germany, which generally has good trains, but not to out of the way places. It took only about an hour to drive there...
Ironically, most of the people who were complaining about this were American liberal exchange students...
Hell, 2 miles? Just walk lol.
You say that because you're an American. You get it. We (mostly they) wanted to do this. Let's fuckin roll. But I think in Europe the attitude is different. They're used to just taking shit and not getting their way. It's sad, I hope they can change.
I was choosing between Shenzhen and eastern Europe for school abroad. (Cheaper to go). I chose Eastern Europe. I shudder to think of the other timeline I went to school in China
Best advice on this is if you want to experience traditional Chinese culture (Confucianism, Taoism) go to Taiwan. The people are way friendlier and you don't have to worry about the CCP.
For now
This is actually true
The ROC did a Underground Railroad type deal and got a lot of the artifacts out of China and in to Taiwan. The National Museum in Taipei has so much stuff they can only display 3% at a time. I spent 3 days there and only saw like half of the 3% they had out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_retreat_to_Taiwan#Smuggling_of_treasures_from_the_mainland
In general communists erase culture until they realize they can sell pieces of it for their treasury or use it as a tourist trap for revenue.
I share your vision of a world in which visiting China is cool.
It's a very neat place, I'd love to be able to visit again some day, but even a decade ago it was extremely dangerous. I'm hoping the younger generations will turn things around over there- there's a lot of discontent with the Party over censorship, harsh punishments, and the little problem of 30 million more men than women in the millenial generation.
I loved going to China back in the 90's. I did many trips to Guangzhou and also Hong Kong. Today? Not so much.
The CCP is the same type of criminals as the Nazis. That’s it. That’s the comment.
The Nazis glorified German culture.
China has no culture in 2020.
The "Great Leap Forward" destroyed Chinese culture in China.
Artwork, statues, temples, religion, history, all destroyed. What still exists is a pathetic tiny fraction of what was there.
If you want to see China go to Taiwan while you can. Taiwan is China without the CCP.
Chinese history is fucking sad and depressing. They have no culture. They destroyed it. Multiple times.
China is not one of the most ancient cultures in the world. Don't buy into Chinese propaganda.
One China for 5,000 years has always been a lie. And even if you took that at face value, they destroyed it in the last 60-70 years.
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Chinese history may or may not interest you, that's fine. But China erased its own culture
You are arguing something different entirely. I never said that civilization in China hasn't existed in some capacity for a really long time.
I never said inventions didn't come from the region.
I never said China has never had culture.
What I said is that it's in the past. That isn't China in 2020. China severed it's ties to the past.
Did some people hide relics/artifacts from the Cultural Revolution? Of course.
Communist China has ruined China. They have massacred millions of people, and they have destroyed their culture with the goal of looking to the future.
If you’re white the danger is less as China likes to focus on arresting Asian Americans, especially Chinese Americans when they return to China. Went with a dude that said he looks like he’s from HK and he was strongly considering cancelling his trip just because of the danger of looking like a HK native.
At least at the moment China knows they need to rely on America to keep getting manufacturing, so they tread carefully but it may not always be the case.
Well for one, there's the cuisine! Where else can you eat under-cooked bat, raw shellfish, or fermented bean paste?
SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL
Indeed. I had to be careful about which restaurants/street vendors were OK to eat at, but generally a simple sniff test takes care of that. A decade later I still get cravings for soup from the little Ma La Tang shop near my appartment, grilled leeks from the grill run by a little old lady just outside the school every evening during the week, and the Xiao LongBao from the dumpling place on campus.
Soup dumplings are amazing (Xiao LongBao)
I know an old Marxist who goes once a year with his wife. He celebrates the cultural revolution.
The Great Wall and other historic/cultural sites. That’s the history buff in me though. The sane person in me says I’ll just read about it. Unfortunately Great Wall, Pyramids, Hagia Sophia and a few others are just too dangerous to go see.
Hagia Sophia is safe to go see. I was there in January . Istanbul is a very modern, developed city rich in cultural heritage and very conservative ideals . It actually seemed like a rare occasion of peace and equality between the diverse cultures . Thanks to American influence in the media, new generations no longer doubt what a functional society actually looks like and I'm sure certain political waves and ideologies will be die at the feet of the young and upcoming generations . Much like the burka in France . Teen girls of Muslim/Arab families no longer see the need value of the burka and are proud to embrace showing off their bodies as they wish . Another tradition that will die with aging generations
REMINDER:
All other countries in the world deny visa requests for people they don't want in their country.
China approves all visa requests, and then deny your ability to leave if they don't like you. Usually followed with detainment/imprisonment. They don't have a legal system, the government can arrest you for nothing and you will not have your day in court.
Don't be stupid. Stay away from China whenever possible
Communist countries, period. It's NOT a joke about how people disappear in the middle of the night and nobody knows what happens to you. Don't even ask me how I know, but it's a legit threat.
I have a friend who was able to get out after his Chinese bosses went missing all of a sudden.
Scary stuff.
Get woke, go broke. Nothing new.
That's very cool of them. Thanks for the good information.
Why wouldn't you just say good things while there getting footage and then do voice-over or edit when out of their reach? Sounds like bad tactics to be negative while in a country that doesn't have free speech...
This sounds like a good story! How do you know? I can’t take it!
On the other hand, 'pedes, DO go to TAIWAN, the free and democratic China where you can still get your fill of amazing Chinese culture, architecture, food, languages, et cetera, all among great people who know that Communism and totalitarianism (but I repeat myself) are evil and wrong.
I visited last fall and had an amazing time. Only got to see busy Taipei and picturesque Chiufen. Can't wait to go back!
And never forget the full name of Taiwan: The Republic of China!
PRC = East China
REAL China
*China/Chinese = Taiwan/Taiwanese
Thank you, Taiwanese American
Taiwan is all about the idea of self determination as a Nation & that’s all the reason we need to support it(same for Israel).
Taiwan & Hong Kong shows that Chinese people’s with Rule of Law and Democracy can do well and prosper, which the CCP can never admit to or they’ll lose power.
Well we are at War with China and the pretence is falling away fast... Thank God for Trump a few more years and it would of been to late.... Now we have a fighting Chance to Preserve Christian Civilization from the Godless communists'..
A fighting chance is what we have... Ttat fight starts here taking back our nation from the communist that have infiltrated our institions of power. They will not leave without a fight and they will hide the violence they use behind whatever hapless greveince group they can find... I fully expect them to hold up Puppes and Kittens as they hurl molitove cocktails and then call anyone that fight back Puppy and Kitten killers...
I think it's time to reintroduce the Chinese Exclusion Act. At least until they get their communism problem taken care of.
Agreed brother
Trump should tweet about this. Bet you good money it would cause wacko leftists to travel there in droves; they could get a lesson in what their ideology means for the future.
Username checks out lol. ns
Flight to China: allowed
Flight from China: denied
I used to be real excited about wanting to visit China about 5 years ago. But I started watching ADV China (and also moved from a liberal to conservative) and eventually convinced myself to never visit. China is a fucking dystopian hell-state! I shifted my desire of visiting China to Japan and Taiwan instead.
Last year I actually got to go to Japan and it was an amazing experience. Really wanted to visit Taiwan this year, but looks like it will have to wait.
Based. I was going to make the japan trip a few months ago but then the bullshit happened
Avoid stop overs for flights too
I had a layover in China once. Let me tell you that was an experience I never want to go through again. We must have had 50 papers to fill out and had our bags searched more than once.
Communist govt mindset- even when technically they are out of power the behavior in those with any kind of authority is impervious to the change:
Moskva, January 1993.
Technically, TECHNICALLY, no longer Soviet Russia. Legally, Aeroflot was privatized and an independent international business. Officially, all rules on documents payments procedures etc followed westernized standards.
Yeah, about that....
First, the rigid uniformed woman at the small check in table for an internal flight was straight out of central casting for a 1950s Russian bureaucrat.
Tried to insist US Aeroflot tickets sold were not valid, had to buy new ones in rubles- short version is I out intimidated her and the system no longer backed her authoritarian gig.
Then the damn shuttle bus driver who first refused to load us without USD "payment" and drove away- in a fucking blizzard mind you! A solid foot of ice was built up in the lower anteroom INSIDE the doors. He eventually returned with a huge scowl, slammed open the doors, and shouted in Russian Fine! Get in! No Charge!
Yet another raised in the Communist system petty authoritarian used to being able to do whatever they liked to non- Party Members or citizens.
And the Domestic terminal- wow. It would take a whole chapter to describe the bizarre. Utter chaos, 11 hour delay, and no one in charge or information from staff (staff? What staff?) or display boards.
This was so typical of any govt or business I was almost used to it after 4 days in Moscow.
The most efficient parts were modern bathrooms that functioned and the snack counter ladies in the basement who appeared more capable of handling chaos and masses of shouting milling people than a NYC Deli 5 minutes before closing. Except they never closed.
The few families stranded too didn't have even snacks for the children or extra money- you could tell from the worried faces and embarassed shushing of their kids asking about dinner as it got later and later. So I pretended to the kids their Moms had sent me to get the food I bought and handed the Moms the teas and buns and danishes and my stash of dried fruit and nuts to give their families. My tiny amount of Russian was JUST enough to pull it off, and a direct look into the first Mom's eyes as I flat lied was all it took for her to catch on and pretend it was true and for the other Moms all clustered in our little corner to follow her lead. The husbands stared in confused silence, then made casual faces and played along.
The babushka lunch ladies and soldiering on families were an example of REAL Russians who preserved their cultural society and attitudes towards everyday life even under the oppressive universal Soviet surface for 70 years- I think their naturally cynical nature and distrust of authority combined with the lack of a uniform cultural norm prior as well as vastly more land than people plus infighting for much longer.... had prevented the Chinese indoctorination cradle to grave model from taking hold as deeply or thoroughly.
Some people are working on a translation to a game that I've been wanting for almost a decade, an unofficial fan patch that will insert a lost chapter right into the center of what is now a 9 game series, a PIVOTAL moment in the game-world's history. But there is no Japanese PC Version. Oddly enough, China got a PC version but Japan never bothered to do one for themselves, as the previous game's Japanese PC version sold poorly. So now people are looking to buy the Chinese PC version, which I would normally support, as piracy is bad and if you want a thing you should pay for it. But it's CHINA. And I'm not giving a single fucking CENT to that commie shithole. So now I'm going to have to jump through hoops to try and find someone in the US who owns a used copy of this thing, and I'm probably going to give him a fucking fortune for it. But I'd rather do that and keep every cent possible from them than get it cheap but support the greatest enemy of Freedom in the modern world.
Yakuza? Lol
He's talking about Ao no Kiseki, part of the Trails JRPG series.
Legend of Heroes, Trails to Azure, actually. The Trails series is very, very involved. Trails in the Sky Trilogy, set mostly in the nation of Liberl, two years later Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure, set in the northwest of that, in the State of Crossbell, a sort of Client State set up as a buffer between the Erebonian Empire and the Calvard Republic, and featuring a new main cast. Also, happening simultaneous to Zero and Azure, Trails of Cold Steel 1 and 2, but these happen in Erebonia to Crossbell's west, specifically in the eastern half of Erebonia, with ANOTHER new cast. Then Cold Steel 3 and 4 happening... I think 2 or 3 years after THAT, but involving all of the previous plotlines, politics, cults, terrorist organizations, secret societies, and main characters of all the previous story arcs, while ALSO having the new story of ANOTHER NEW MAIN CAST.
It is a very, VERY worldbuilding intensive JRPG series, dealing heavily in both the internal and international politics of all these nations. Also deals with things very intelligently and even handedly. The stewing unrest in Erebonia, for example, between the Nobility and the Peasant Class explores both the virtues of self determination and the ability of a free market to allow the "common man" to rise in status and power through hard work and intellect, and also the virtue of a noble house that originally spent its wealth and blood to build that nation continuing onward in a role of a protector and governor of his lands by governing in accord with the interests of those formerly his vassals but who now think of themselves are free citizens, but still give their loyalty to their baron/duke/what have you because of his fair governance. Villains run the gamut from the aristocrat who believes that Nobility is inherent and the peasant scum must be kept in line to the Communist Agitator who wants to burn the mansions to the ground and unmake the "unfair system," but who has zero plans to replace it with anything. Hell, there's even a part where some commies are disguised as workers to gain access to something, and they've been in place there for months to sell the illusion, but all of the actual employees hate how lazy all the new kids are, that they never seem to want to actually put in any hard work.
I can't recommend the series highly enough, if you've got enough time to spare for really diving into a game and talking with every NPC and getting into a setting. Every NPC has their own life going on, you can follow their storylines across the spans of whole games, whole story arcs, and for two roaming idiots (Ricky and Anton!) across the series as a WHOLE, as the two travel from town to town, nation to nation trying to find... I'm not even sure anymore. I actually tend to take my vacation time so I can submerge myself in this alternate, less infuriating world for a week or so at a time, before resuming my real life where 5 days are nothing but work, sunday is nothing but God, and then my one floating day off is trying madly to catch up on all the shit I fell behind on during the week. Speaking of which, I need to go switch my laundry again.
I passed through China last year on a layover and was basically treated like a criminal. Bought two tickets to Bangkok from LAX through Quingdao and Xiamen on a Chinese airline. I get to customs, was forced to stand in line for well over an hour with no access to a restroom. Get all my bags searched, and get patted down. Go through security. Repeat. Find a restroom. It’s a hole in the ground. Little kids climbing under the door while I’m squatting. Constant knocking and waving under the door to hurry up. Constant pushing, shoving, and spitting. Domestic connection. So no customs for my next leg. Wrong again. Numerous lines, waiting for hours in lines while employees played on their phones. Pass through a line. Wait in another line. More paperwork, more pat downs, more questioning, all to connect through. Same shit on the way home. Next time I’ll pay twice as much to connect through Japan when I want to see my Thai in-laws. Never dealing with China again.
China is asshoe.
This whole covid thing was just a warning shot from China. Trump was clamping down on them. They retaliated by convincing everyone our economy needed to close down.
Remember all the "shocking" footage of Covid from China? People collapsing in the streets? Giant trucks sanitizing everything? It was all propaganda to make the west react.
China owns the news media, sportsball, hollywood, video games, and even politicians. Remember the WHO guy that ignored the Taiwan question? Why do you think that is? Why did Trump pull out of WHO? Now tik tok is being banned in some places due to China malware.
China is communist. BLM are communists. Antifa is communist. China is supporting all of these marxists.
Goddamnit... We are headed straight for world war 3 again I'm afraid.... Whether the world wants it or not, chy-nuh is going to force it down our throats....
I think we are too. Not a cold war, a hot war. China is not willing to exist in the american world and we aren't willing to exist in a chinese one.
Actually, half of Americans (Dems) do want to exist in a Chinese one. Sad.
I have been to China many times and had very few issues. I managed an engineering team in Beijing and Shanghai. Visiting was always enjoyable. Food was great, although I did it at higher end establishments. Forbidden City, Great Wall, and shopping in Yu Garden was interesting as it was established in 1559. Both my children took 4 years of Mandarin in High School (both in college now) unfortunately I cannot take them to China now. I enjoyed visiting and met many wonderful people. Bottom line, it was great. Things change and it is very dangerous now. If you want more information check out laowhy86 on YouTube he has a great channel but essentially had to escape china last year. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChvithwOECK5g_19TjldMKw
Laowhy and SerpentZA do a very candid interview about the frightening level of totalitarianism they experienced while living in China.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDV4s9c9sfQ&feature=emb_logo
It's a real eye opener.
Ive been following winston and cmilk for years. They are great sources of info
2 canucks are locked up for repraisal and they told Trudeau to step off his public soapbox and to stfu.
I second this. When Canada held that Chinese Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou for extradition to the US, the Chinese imprisoned 2 Canadians for "spying". They are still in prison, will probably die there. The Chinese executive is living it up in a Vancouver mansion, while these two are rotting in a Chinese jail. Trudeau has done nothing.
Seize their assets yes, detaining their people no. Even Chy-Na don't treat their own people like people.
That's an odd way to spell 'two ongoing genocides'.
Don't go to Hong Kong either. That was on my list for vacation in 2021, but with the power moves the CCP has done there, it's basically China mainland now.
If I planned a trip to Taiwan, you think the ccp bastards would try to get me?? I really wanted to visit their island after they told the CCP to piss off.
Well unfortunately air cargo has been nonstop since January to China. Weather its CSX or HKG it's been going strong.
Damn, better cancel my vacation plans.
Shit hole country. The deserve some large meteorite on them... or a bomb.
Add these countries to your list as well.
https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina/status/1279108272658812929?s=20
Also, "not for anything" would include even changing planes.
To be honest I'm not sure if they are talking about actual detention or an exit visa requirement or quarantine.
Either way I don't plan on visiting France.
No intention of visiting that shit hole anyway. US should permanently ban any travel to the US by Chinese citizens if any US citizens have been detained. Boot any here immediately.
Just nuke that shithole already
Why would I go to a communist shithole in the first place?
One helluva way to become an organ donor
China is, quite literally, at war with the United States
Look up Serpentza. Good youtube that used to vlog about life in China, he basically got hounded out of the country with an active search warrant out on his head. He escaped through Hong Kong.
Makes me concerned for our Military Personel, who are currently stationed in this terroristic chithole.
They tried to honey trap Serpentza recently. Check out his YouTube channel. He got out just in time.
It’s time to start shipping Chinese nationals back. Too many cases and too difficult to tell who is a spy.
DUH