No, you aren't being specific. What is the efficacy of a cloth face covering in a retail setting in terms of lowering transmission rates? You don't know, because the research isn't there to tell you with any sort of accuracy. "It just works" isn't solid ground for macro level policy, and sure isn't a proper basis for a lot of the sweeping declarations we are seeing in society right now.
If you look at the dispersal videos or how far what you exhale travels when you're covering your nose and mouth you'll clearly see how much it helps. Sure, more studying is always a plus, but how we inhale and exhale particles and how masks work have been known for hundreds of years. It's basic stuff I learned in school. I actually was wearing masks before the chink flu for allergies, have worn them to protect from paint fumes and was planning on getting a gas mask for dust storms (to protect against valley fever, which is a smaller particle, that is before they went from $100 to $300 due to their effectiveness in stopping the chink flu).
Edit: Sure, I don't know the exact % of how much simple cloth masks protect others or yourself, but logic dictates it's more than not wearing anything at all.
You have no real idea how much the muffling of your exhaled breath translates into helping to stop the spread of this disease, and that's the point I am trying to get across. Logic dictates that people reusing dirty masks day after day will result in bacterial infections to some degree. Without the research being done, are you sure simply based on common sense that you can speak to if mandating the wearing of masks is worth it? Could you make that call based on "common sense" and would I be right in simply trusting your "common sense" macro level policy?
If you were the masks correctly and take care of them as recommended they would help prevent the spread of the chink flu and you would mitigate the majority of the risks. I understand they are not fool proof and like anything in life come with a down side, but learning how to wear them and dispose or clean them properly would cut down on those risks.
Then you have to look where we are at as a society. Not just how you may "feel" about the issue. We had the entire country shut down and if wearing a mask, even though it may only provide just a wee bit of protection, is still going to motivate people to leave their houses, return to work and spend money then I'll gladly wear on. I'm not scared now nor was ever concerned about getting the chink flu, but if wearing a mask helps get people out of their houses I'll do it and it seems to be helping do just that.
The main problem I have with this virus isn't some masks or the science behind them - it was the way people overreacted. Masks work and the science is sound. Masks, just like walls, have been around for a very long time and have a proven track record. I won't even bother to really debate if they are effective or not. If you don't think they are and then claim to know more about advanced topics I'm just going to laugh at you because you clearly don't even know the basics.
The problem I found was how easy it was to get everyone into a panic. Look at the panic shopping and such. Personally, I heard about the virus in the beginning of December 2019. Thinking it would be funny to wear masks around I bought some. This was a month before the CDC lied to the public so they could buy up the PPE on the market. This was also when the Democrats were only focused on impeaching Trump over nonsense. Heck, even after a month passed and Trump started to take the virus seriously (closing the borders, etc ...) the Democrats were not concerned about it, were calling him racist for reacting and still were only focused on impeaching him.
It's just that everyone got into this big panic over nothing really. I'm not sure why our leaders decided it would be best to close down the country, but all they did was delay the inevitable. If this virus was some really big danger or threat that actually had a high mortality rate maybe closing down for a while would have been in our best interest, but the entire thing has been blown out of proportion.
Now we have people who are scared to go outside and we also see how the Democrats are trying to use the virus for political gain. You know how they want everyone to vote via mail, get rid of cash, forced vaccinations and ID's and lots of new taxes to pay for money being redistributed to people who don't have much. You can see they aren't letting this go to waste and the fucked up part is everyone is just going along with it.
I however don't see that wearing masks that protect you from this and that should be some political deal. They do indeed protect from the virus or whatever they are designed to protect against. That's all I'm saying. Both sides need to stop acting like you're either with them or against them if you're wearing or not wearing one. They are just some fabric for Christs sake. Lay off the partisan bullshit.
To be specific, cloth coverings stop the particles you exhale to disperse as far and filter out a little bit of the larger particles.
Those blue strap on doctor's masks stop some larger particles and some bacteria along with a little bit of the larger virus particles.
Allergy masks stop the larger allergen particles.
Respirators and N95 rated masks stop chemicals, gasses, pesticides and the smaller virii particles.
Full face gas masks stop 99.9% of airborne particles, gasses, chemicals, etc ...
So yeah, masks do "just work". They are designed for a reason. If they didn't do anything at all they wouldn't exist. Sort of like walls.
No, you aren't being specific. What is the efficacy of a cloth face covering in a retail setting in terms of lowering transmission rates? You don't know, because the research isn't there to tell you with any sort of accuracy. "It just works" isn't solid ground for macro level policy, and sure isn't a proper basis for a lot of the sweeping declarations we are seeing in society right now.
If you look at the dispersal videos or how far what you exhale travels when you're covering your nose and mouth you'll clearly see how much it helps. Sure, more studying is always a plus, but how we inhale and exhale particles and how masks work have been known for hundreds of years. It's basic stuff I learned in school. I actually was wearing masks before the chink flu for allergies, have worn them to protect from paint fumes and was planning on getting a gas mask for dust storms (to protect against valley fever, which is a smaller particle, that is before they went from $100 to $300 due to their effectiveness in stopping the chink flu).
Edit: Sure, I don't know the exact % of how much simple cloth masks protect others or yourself, but logic dictates it's more than not wearing anything at all.
You have no real idea how much the muffling of your exhaled breath translates into helping to stop the spread of this disease, and that's the point I am trying to get across. Logic dictates that people reusing dirty masks day after day will result in bacterial infections to some degree. Without the research being done, are you sure simply based on common sense that you can speak to if mandating the wearing of masks is worth it? Could you make that call based on "common sense" and would I be right in simply trusting your "common sense" macro level policy?
If you were the masks correctly and take care of them as recommended they would help prevent the spread of the chink flu and you would mitigate the majority of the risks. I understand they are not fool proof and like anything in life come with a down side, but learning how to wear them and dispose or clean them properly would cut down on those risks.
Then you have to look where we are at as a society. Not just how you may "feel" about the issue. We had the entire country shut down and if wearing a mask, even though it may only provide just a wee bit of protection, is still going to motivate people to leave their houses, return to work and spend money then I'll gladly wear on. I'm not scared now nor was ever concerned about getting the chink flu, but if wearing a mask helps get people out of their houses I'll do it and it seems to be helping do just that.
The main problem I have with this virus isn't some masks or the science behind them - it was the way people overreacted. Masks work and the science is sound. Masks, just like walls, have been around for a very long time and have a proven track record. I won't even bother to really debate if they are effective or not. If you don't think they are and then claim to know more about advanced topics I'm just going to laugh at you because you clearly don't even know the basics.
The problem I found was how easy it was to get everyone into a panic. Look at the panic shopping and such. Personally, I heard about the virus in the beginning of December 2019. Thinking it would be funny to wear masks around I bought some. This was a month before the CDC lied to the public so they could buy up the PPE on the market. This was also when the Democrats were only focused on impeaching Trump over nonsense. Heck, even after a month passed and Trump started to take the virus seriously (closing the borders, etc ...) the Democrats were not concerned about it, were calling him racist for reacting and still were only focused on impeaching him.
It's just that everyone got into this big panic over nothing really. I'm not sure why our leaders decided it would be best to close down the country, but all they did was delay the inevitable. If this virus was some really big danger or threat that actually had a high mortality rate maybe closing down for a while would have been in our best interest, but the entire thing has been blown out of proportion.
Now we have people who are scared to go outside and we also see how the Democrats are trying to use the virus for political gain. You know how they want everyone to vote via mail, get rid of cash, forced vaccinations and ID's and lots of new taxes to pay for money being redistributed to people who don't have much. You can see they aren't letting this go to waste and the fucked up part is everyone is just going along with it.
I however don't see that wearing masks that protect you from this and that should be some political deal. They do indeed protect from the virus or whatever they are designed to protect against. That's all I'm saying. Both sides need to stop acting like you're either with them or against them if you're wearing or not wearing one. They are just some fabric for Christs sake. Lay off the partisan bullshit.