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turdinthepunch 32 points ago +32 / -0

How many people died because of the media's misinformation campaign against HCQ?

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MondayCoupleIsDead 19 points ago +20 / -1

So many absolutely awful post titles lately. You make it seem like Trump is saying and doing all these things in your titles but they are just twisted headlines or fantasies about what you want him to do or say.

Shit is getting tiring as fuck.

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ZippyTheLoveSlug [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

K I was Pretty tired When I posted.. I was trying to get eyeballs because the topic was important. Thought about deleting but that would have been stupid just because you decided to complain... you know you can’t edit titles here. Check out what I have posted in the past. I think on average I’m pretty balanced while doing my part to inform our just & good cause 2 arm our side with knowledge.

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freefolk 9 points ago +9 / -0

Billions of dollars spent trying to find a vaccine for Aids. No vaccine found. Best vaccine to date: condoms,which costs less than a dollar.

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WiseDonkey 5 points ago +5 / -0

Interesting idea, but I imagine if it happened it would be harder to actually get your hands on HCQ than it was to get toilet paper a few months ago.

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capable_masterpiece 5 points ago +5 / -0

FDA is fucking around. Also, delaying private American companies that provide effective at home covid tests for pennies so Covid vaccines are mandated from fear, thousands of dollars per vaccine for big pharma.

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TyrannyBuster 4 points ago +4 / -0

Trump is making a crisis less profitable for the corrupt fuck wads. Their TDS will only intensify.

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HumblePede 3 points ago +3 / -0

I hope one of the outcomes of this WuFlu nonsense is the destruction of the hold big pharma has on our country.

When medical boards and big pharma use political motivation to limit our access to successful treatments, it's gone too damn far.

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rtdanon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Screenshot as many past media headlines about it not working as you can, pedes

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lurkingsince2006 1 point ago +1 / -0

Pharmacists and Doctors in the State of Colorado were forbidden from filling / prescribing HCQ for COVID under threat of revoking their licenses to practice. Remember that.

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kidfromtheplayground 1 point ago +1 / -0

Calling @POTUS please do this! Set the lefties ablaze with histeria.

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HCQaddict 0 points ago +1 / -1

Fuck yeah!!! Now do antibiotics (Au).

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uvontheterrible -28 points ago +3 / -31

This is a stupid idea. There is no reason to make it available OTC, especially because the drug can cause serious side effects in specific cases.

The drug should however, be available for doctors to prescribe to treat covid at their discretion, in ALL states, with no restrictions. Leave it up to the individual doctors.

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Trumper007 20 points ago +20 / -0

no offense but they did it Italy

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uvontheterrible -12 points ago +1 / -13

If they made this available OTC, some stupid people will start abusing it. Then there will be nonstop media stories about how it's killing people. It will do more harm then good.

It's very easy for anyone to get a prescription from their doctor. The issue is, in some places, doctors can't prescribe it. That's the problem that needs to be solved.

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powershellder 12 points ago +12 / -0

I mean, the whole point was that doctors were not giving prescriptions.

I’d rather risk people dying because they’re dumbasses and didn’t read directions over having my elderly parents be denied lifesaving medication by a TDS doctor.

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HCQaddict 2 points ago +3 / -1

U saying doctors would politicize their jobs???? For money ?????

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DrCowboyPresident 12 points ago +12 / -0

They take this shit like candy in malaria countries.

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RocketSurgeon22 5 points ago +5 / -0

Developing countries do it. Maybe Americans need to become better consumers. I think having it OTC is a great idea. Especially for Lupus patients.

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HCQaddict 1 point ago +2 / -1

Gimme, MUH HCQ!!!! RAWLLL)ALLLLL.

Cop kneels on my neck, dies

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Scuffers 15 points ago +15 / -0

bollocks

it was always available off prescription in most countries for decades without issue.

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AnEndgamePawn 1 point ago +1 / -0

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/these-are-the-50-most-dangerous-drugs-on-the-market

Advil and Tylenol (acetaminophen) on the list. HCQ is not. Just to back up your claim

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Scuffers 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bare in mind I'm in the UK, that said, I have brought it in the US before (albeit some 10 years ago!).

Here in the UK it was over the counter stuff, I still have about 200 left from last time I was out in malaria country, (bottle was 500x250mg).

that said, azithromycin is prescription only.

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underthesmellybridge 9 points ago +9 / -0

The Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers' National Poison Data System reported 50,294 single exposures to acetaminophen alone in 2018, and 17,377 single exposures to acetaminophen in combination with other drugs. Acetaminophen exposure alone resulted in 110 deaths, and acetaminophen combinations resulted in 31 deaths.

(source)

Acetaminophen is Tylenol.

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K-Harbour 9 points ago +9 / -0

It was OTC in France all these years, until January.

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dontUseVinegerAsLube 7 points ago +7 / -0

HCQ has been "safe to take for any length of time, safe for children, safe for pregnant women" for over 50 years. It's also safer than Tylenol. The "side effect" is bullshit.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf

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uvontheterrible 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's not bullshit. There are drug interactions. It may be inherently safer than Tylenol but still more dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision because of potential interactions with other drugs.

I don't know enough to rate the risk, but just because the drug itself is very safe, does not mean it is always safe under all circumstances.

But the real issue is, making it available OTC would do more harm than good because the media would have a field day with it.

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dontUseVinegerAsLube 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have many friends and family in malaria prone countries which use it without any problems. It's been this way for decades.

By your logic, should we do the same to Tylenol and other NSAIDs?

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uvontheterrible 1 point ago +1 / -0

The question of whether HCQ should be OTC based on it's safety profile is one for the FDA to answer. I'm not an expert and I don't know the answer to that.

What I'm saying here is that this is more than just a safety question. There is the PR issue as well. Like it or not, that's the reality. Making it OTC will just cause the media to double down and report on every issue with the drug non-stop. No matter how safe it is, there will be issues, and they will highlight them and blame Trump.

From a PR perspective it would be safer to require a prescription, but make sure it is available to all doctors anywhere in the country. In this case, the media would have to accept that a doctor made the decision to prescribe it and it would be much harder for them to demonize the drug.

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dontUseVinegerAsLube 1 point ago +1 / -0

I feel like we shouldn't be caring about PR when this can save lives. We already know the governors banned HCQ previously. And the media hysteria resulted in the death of thousands which could have been saved by a cheap drug.

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uvontheterrible 1 point ago +1 / -0

In a perfect world you're right, but it's not a perfect world. PR is a reality and it needs to be considered.

Consider how things would have worked out if Trump had never mentioned HCQ? The media may not have gone on their misinformation campaign.

I honestly don't see why it's not enough to allow doctors to prescribe it if they think it's warranted.

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dontUseVinegerAsLube 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think that PR argument is similar to saying "she deserved getting raped for wearing short skirts" or "Trump should have let Roger Stone rot in prison until after the election for PR reasons". I don't think this is good.