From someone that has been trying to push that point for years, good luck. No one seems to get that a gay couple cannot PRODUCE a child from within their marriage, the whole POINT of tax deductions is to promote creating more taxpayers.
The safest place for any child to be is living with two married biological parents.
It is probably illegal to study the connection between homosexuals and child abuse in most countries, or at least it will certainly get you fired and end your career.
But consider these facts: the vast majority of child sexual predators are males. Almost a third of child sexual abuse victims are boys. Less than 1% of men are homosexuals.
There was this one gay couple featured in some news stories about how brave they are for adopting despite the bigotry of the alt-right against their kind.
A few years later there's a story about how they used that fucking kid like a fleshlight and brought in a half dozen of their friends to abuse him.
One gay couple in the news? You do know there are straight couples that abuse their kids, and a sickening amount of fathers in straight marriages who rape or sexually assault their children.
My gay relative is against gays being able to adopt. His logic is that children need both a mother and a father for a healthy childhood. Way too much logic for modern people to handle though.
My response to that argument was always "Oh, no.... I don't recommend love as a reason to get married AT ALL." It's like literally the worst reason if you think about it.
because very, very few people understand that men and women feel love in different ways, but the love that they can feel for one another is no less powerful, it just has a different perspective and meaning
because of Marxist mindrot working over the last few generations to destroy this millennia old knowledge, many people find themselves in extremely unhappy and unfulfilling relationships because they don't understand that what they're trying to find doesn't exist anywhere but inside their head.
There are gay people in this community too. People that do NOT fuck around and get aids but who happen to like it up their asses.
Not me, but just saying. A vote from a gay Trumper is a vote and he doesn't hunt in the hetero dating pool but instead takes another, likely attractive, guy with him! What's not to like?
Exactly. I don't get these assholes justifying their "uh gay marriage is heineous and gross and shouldn't exist. For one, gay people shouldn't have children. Marriage is about children and is sacred. Don't you know it might make kids confused?"
Come on are you forgetting all of the leftists that get married and have abortions and call it "a clump of cells" because they want to live child free? Or the ones that divorce and fight over custody of children and screw them up mentally? The people who beat their children and rape them in straight marriages is very high too, and you're telling me gay people shouldn't get married because some gay people suck? On that logic, no one should fucking get married.
Marriage is already a travesty in many cases, it was never objectively sacred. Hell, legal divorce started back in 1527. The main point of legally registering marriage is legal protections. It's a contract and should be considered a commitment. If you want to ascribe whatever other meanings to marriage, you can, in your own private marriage.
I'm going to repost this since I didn't get an answer yet. The safest place for any child to be is living with two married biological parents.
It is probably illegal to study the connection between homosexuals and child abuse, or at least it will certainly get you fired and end your career.
But consider these facts: the vast majority of child sexual predators are males. And almost a third of child sexual abuse victims are boys. Less than 1% of men are homosexuals.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077559509342125
This study in the Netherlands shows that adoptive parents are less likely to abuse children than step parents. In fact the risk of abuse is elevated for stepparents but not for adoptive families. I think that gay people would be more likely to be adoptive parents than step parents.
Thanks for posting your info though. I would like to see more studies just like you.
So now we went from sexual abuse to "maltreatment"?
This study in the Netherlands shows that adoptive parents are less likely to abuse children than step parents.
Also, I can only read the abstract and not the study itself. But that is NOT what th abstract says.
It says adoptive parents were less likely to committ "maltreatment" (however that might be defined) compared to what the researchers "expected".
Now we do not know what the researchers expected. We do not know if "maltreatment" was higher in the adoptive group than in biological parent group.
We do not know if they controlled for family wealth. We know very little.
And there is no good reason for this vagueness in the abstract other than to confuse.
This sounds like politically correct distortion of data if anything
It’s difficult to find studies about sexual abuse specifically in adoptive families. Adoptive families are much different from a live in partner or step parent. I assume abuse falls under maltreatment.
Good news my friend. I have now looked at th study. The authors say they didn't want to look at sexual abuse in the study. So they did not look at th association between adoption and sexual abuse.
They also did not look at family wealth. Or "SES" as they put it.
This pretty much invalidates the conclusions of the study since we know that adoption is difficult and expensive and adoptive parents on average are wealthier that non adoptive parents.
We also know that low family wealth predicts "maltreatment" of children.
The vast majority of child sexual predators are not males, just as the vast majority of rapists are not males. The numbers are about even, but the data is suppressed by both feminists and chest beating traditionalists. Survey data of male sex offenders shows that almost all of them were abused by someone of the opposite sex.
The vast majority of child sexual predators are not males, just as the vast majority of rapists are not males. The numbers are about even, but the data is suppressed by both feminists and chest beating traditionalists
This is a lie.
There is no evidence to support your conspiracy theories.
Vast majority of rapists are men without a doubt. Even if we were to believe female rape is underreported, it is still proven beyond a doubt that men are vastly overrepresented.
This is by the way what victims of child sexual abuse report too. Their abusers were overwhelmingly male.
when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).
Mary Koss, famous for promoting the 1 in 5 rape myth, was a CDC consultant and recorded in an interview stating it would be "inappropriate" to categorize a male forced into sex with a woman as rape.
In terms of other data, there is reporting DOJ data on victims of grooming/abuse in juvenile detention, with the overwhelming majority of cases being male prisoners and female staff. There's also a general article on the topic for reference.
There are financial and political incentives to erase male victims of rape, in particular those who's abuser is a woman. What you think is true is, at least in part, a lie to enable the demonization of men and the protection of female abusers because it would be inconvenient for the public narrative.
I think it has to do with the obvious observation (basic subconscious pattern-matching) that gay men tend to be way more deviant and degenerate.
And this would make sense -- humanity has spent literally hundreds of thousands of years trying to regulate sexuality in a productive way in order to optimize for offspring survival. And even though we are 'liberated' by contraceptives, nothing about how our psyche revolves around sex has changed all that much. Just look at the preoccupation people have with sexual assault, even though most of it is objectively a complete nothing burger compared to being physically hurt.
Because even though sex is like our biggest drive, it is completely taboo outside a very, very small circle of situations that we have deemed permissible. And this is ingrained into our bones from birth.
But a lot of these taboos (most?) revolve 100% around hetero sex and go right out the window when talking about homosexual men sex, which makes people wary about being tolerant to male homosexuality in general, especially when they see the sort of stuff on display at a typical pride parade.
The conclusion here is, I believe, that the proper course of action involves actually encouraging gay marriage (with all the super strict laws about divorce and stuff to go along with it) so as to encourage homosexual monogamy and rather ban stuff like pride parades or whatever else promotes the sort of deviant behavior that goes against our collective taboos around sex. Make gay people follow the same taboos as everyone else and I think you'd see a lot less homophobia
How else would I sell gayness to a nongay person? I think I did pretty well. But don't drive the gays away. We need every vote. If you want to hate on something, hate on trans-people. In 98 % of cases, those are just insane. So you have my blessing. But your average gay person just likes to... well do gay stuff.
Far point. Nothing against people who are gay but in terms of offspring and building a society the only thing you have to offer is the tax you pay on goods and services.
Tax breaks for married couples (that can produce kids) really helps the local economy as raising kids pumps a lot of money into it.
Sure. Married people with kids can claim their children as dependents. Why should straight married couples without children have tax breaks under your logic? The ones who are child free and get abortions?
They shouldn’t. In a perfect system, they have kids then get the tax break. But giving a tax break to straight married couples produces a more likely scenario where that couple decides have children. Those offspring are the most desirable for a society.
Could be they've just observed the decline of the West due to the slippery slope of "We just want to be allowed to get married, we don't want to push our agenda on anyone..."
Not only that but homosexuality literally benefits no one. It's a road of pleasure that knocks on deaths door. God didn't say it was pure confusion lightly.
I feel bad having to have this out, because people dont choose homosexuality, but we've been elevating and praising hedonism homosexuality for the last 10 years when its literally valueless to society.
Of course they choose it. Every thought and every action and every word spoken by all people are choice. The temptation or desire however is not choice but the act, and mind-set to dabble or dwell in it is 100% choice.
EDIT: They may have relaxed it since this 2014 article and previous which is why I noticed it. I will let you do the searching to see if I'm totally wrong lol
Alaska is my fail safe, it's too fucking cold no one will ever try to illegally immigrate there. Too fucking cold for riots and protests everyone has a rifle for fighting off wolves and bears and shit. When America collapses we'll just declare independence because whoever takes it over ain't going to the arctic to claim peoples homes. Also fuck Canada, we don't need their protection.
Russians really like money and free business. Communism has died there but the old factions of ideas still remain in the cultural context, not an economic one.
The problem with Russia (government) is that while Communism may be dead, the totalitarian ideology is still there and will take a millennia to dilute. Sad really
You have the right ideas in your comment, my friend.
Democracy as known in the West is (for now) impossible for Russians to be under. Russians works well with one ruler, but one that must be just - a rarity considering how people in Russia get to power.
Much Russian blood has been spilled over the last century - on a deep level the Russians are starting to come back to the deepest roots of how their nation was under Tsardom, but I fear more tyranny will be in place for a long long time. Maybe it’s for the best to avoid chaos.
I do know one thing though, once a nation rejects God - the tragedy by the hands of evil tyrants knows no bounds, and only the people suffer. It is not God’s punishment per se, but rather a consequence of humanity being unable to control it’s own evil present in each and every one of us.
Russia is my bug-out plan, too. I am hopeful that even if the Left end up burning this country down, Putin is willing to do whatever it takes to maintain a place where a man and woman can safely raise a family. President Trump is committed to this as well, and I'm confident we'll win. And I don't want to focus on any other outcome than that if I can help it.
Yep. Hope some of the pedes here don't mistake Trump for Putin. He never hated gay people, he just didn't join in the identity politics circus. If people here are going to completely justify hating gay people by saying it's part of MAGA, then they've severely misunderstood what MAGA means.
America was started because people wanted freedom from forced religion and from tyranny under law. If someone wants to be gay, let them. If they want to be registered as legally married, let them. It's a legal contract, it's not a religious rite they're taking part of. Putin couldn't give a shit about religion. He's blocking gay marriage because he can, and for the power play, not because he's worried about the religious impact.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
I believe you would find more success teaching English speakers to regard words with the depth of Logos, than you will find in getting English speakers to speak Greek.
This. It's not a federal government's job to dictate what church's do. When the whole "gay marriage" uproar started, the proper solution would've been to simply grant civil unions the same tax benefits and federal statuses as marriages and be done with it, not dictate that churches start marrying gay people. Marriage is a religious practice, and the government never had any right to tell churches they had to marry gays. By the same token, it is not the government's place to tell churches they can't marry gays. That issue is one for the church to decide for itself.
The proper solution would be for government to divest itself entirely from certifying marriages. It's not it's place to endorse or criminalize the personal relationships of consenting adults.
God's Word is very clear on the subject. One Man and One Woman together in union under God.
I believe that the reason there is so much divorce is because God is not first. He is to be first above all things spouse, kids, family, society, and one's self. That is not easy, but it is necessary for a marriage to work. There is rules for the husband and for the wife as well.
Still reading and trying to understand the depth that is presented.
Even in straight marriages, you can't guarantee that "god will be first". There are many "godless" marriages, so why dictate that gay people shouldn't get legally married if straight marriages are full of greed, infidelity, child and spousal abuse, divorce, abortions? It was not homosexuality that caused so many straight marriages to be such failures.
Also, muslims believe as fervently in their god, as you do yours. Doesn't mean you or they are correct, just because you believe strongly. You can see what a failure muslim countries are when they include religion in their law making. This is why the country should be secular. Individual people can be driven by religion. But not laws.
God's Word is very clear on the subject. One Man and One Woman together in union under God.
I believe that the reason there is so much divorce is because God is not "FIRST". He is to be first above all things spouse, kids, family, society, and one's self. That is not easy, but it is necessary for a marriage to work. There is rules for the husband and for the wife as well.
I think you missed what I said.
As for you second sentence. Our country right now IS secular. You are seeing it being played out in real time. Our country has tried over the last 30-40 years to get rid of God in all areas of society. That includes the church. This is a result.
Yes, I believe in personal responsibility. I believe everyone should be responsible for their actions not because they fear God, but because they want to live in a better world, and the best way to change it for the better is to change yourself, work hard on yourself.
I am agnostic about God, I believe he likely exists, but whether or not the church is right about their teachings is unclear. You can see how easy it is today, even with all of the information available, to trick people into believing something is right or wrong. You can see how easily people believe propaganda.
With that experience of human psychology, I believe it would be very easy over the course of hundreds of years for priests and the catholic/christian church to manipulate the religion into something that keeps them in power, not something that spreads the truth. I do not believe the christian religion would have prevented the leftist movement, as evident of all the pedophiles who work in the church, and all of the christian churches that support movements like BLM.
There is only one source that is the Bible which contains God's Holy Word. Church is to be a gathering of brothers and sisters in Christ. Christian is derived by those that are to be Christ-like.
Catholic/Protestant or whatever label is being used doesn't matter to me. God's Word is the beginning and end of it.
Revelations is a good point to start at when dealing with these times now.
Jesus said it in the book of Matthew Chapter 13 in his parables to the crowds.
We are to act like Christ therefore we should study His character.
Working hard on yourself while continually praying, studying, and living God's Word is the best way in my opinion. I am starting to understand Matthew 7 far more lately.
Sadly, far too many aren't. Russian ethnicity was almost completely destroyed in the last 100 or so years, 20% still vote communist, and there is a shitton of soy-for-brain SJW types. Maybe if President Putin's followers keep his line, in a couple of generations we may see something promising.
I am from Russia and live in a Russian community.
Russians HATE commies and love capitalism. There are soyfucks everywhere but overall, 90% of Russians vote conservative.
Also Russians despise the gay bullshit and the gay agenda
Well, Russia saw what happened after we legalized it. The slippery slope fallacy was no fallacy at all. I actually supported gay marriage from a libertarian standpoint.
But the part about trans people having more rights than me and all of the child grooming has turned this country into a living nightmare. Next thing you know, your entire culture is being replaced. Russia is looking out for its people.
Hey I know we are out of reddit cuckdom but cmon, let’s throw it down for the gays and FUCK Russia. Why is anyone celebrating this? I know plenty of based gays let’s work on being more inclusive here than fucking reddit
I'm curious though, do you think gay people are the only pedophiles, and do you think all gay people are pedos?
Do you really think stopping gay marriage and the formation of more two-parent families will stop MORE molestation even though the children that remain un-adopted then have to stay in the foster system, which is highly practically unregulated, and results in so much molestation and child abuse?
It's not because of gay rights that we teach 5 year olds how to masturbate. It's because people are insane, and the left listens to the insane, and mostly insane straight people fucked up the school system.
Even if you banned gay marriage, straight people still would fight for the right for abortion, because sex without consequence is a right in many people's minds. Do not blame the insanity of the left on gay people. Straight people are the ones who complain the most about abstinence teaching the US.
Gay people don't care at all about getting pregnant by accident (obviously), so they're not the ones saying "hey the reason why we want to teach sexuality in classes is for the safety of our children."
Everything else you said is dumb too. You don't have to celebrate homosexuality. Not every gay person worships the woke agendas of the left. They just want to be left alone, and have the joint-filing tax breaks if they're married. Saying you don't want gay people to be married or adopt because you don't support pedophiles is dumb too. If that were the case, then you should also ban straight couples adopting children, because abuse happens there too. Same for straight people having babies and then raping them. I fucking hate child abusers too.
Fuck off, you tried to play the victim card just like some black people play the race card, even though I'm sure you know pedophilia unfortunately affects many children in families with "one man and one woman traditionally married." Physical abuse is also rampant among the beautiful 2 straight parents and 2.5 kids model.
It's also not the gay people having almost a million abortions a year.
I'm sure you know pedophilia unfortunately affects many children in families with "one man and one woman traditionally married."
But statistics are very clear. Non biological parents are much more likely to sexually abuse children.
But sure, worry about gay degeneracy.
One third of children who are sexually abused are boys. The vast majority of them are abused by men.
Yet homosexual men only make up about 1% of the population.
One day in your life something in your brain will click, maybe two brain cells will shiver and send a spark that makes you go "oh I was being a dumbass".
Just like for the middle-grounds people this election that realize the left is being extremely dumb, and they switch over to Trump. I just know it will happen, so I can't even be mad at you for being so stupid.
I understand, you are a victim of child abuse, and it's hard to come out of the fog. I hope you find your peace and clarity one day.
Men make up the vast majority of sexual child abusers. Homosexual men make up less than 1% of the population. Yet boys make up about a third of sexual abuse victims.
Homosexuals are vastly overrepresented among child sexual abusers.
Yeah, men make up most of sexual abusers, true. Doesn’t mean gay men or women shouldn’t adopt. There are men in straight relationships too.
This is a theory I have, so don’t have a fit, but I think homosexual men might be overrepresented both because gay men are still likely to hide their sexuality so the numbers of out men are smaller, and since homosexuality is still seen as deviant and strange, pedophiles might either be more likely to identify with it because it’s “alternative”, or because they’re a crazy leftist and they used homosexuality as a fun identity instead of a sexuality. Most abusers don’t care which sex the child is, it’s about the power and corruption.
Men are not the majority of sex abusers. CDC reporting data showed that almost as many men were abused by the opposite sex as women. The CDC tried to hide the data by categorizing men as "made to penetrate" instead of the obvious category of rape. In addition, reporting from sex abuse convicts showed they were almost always abused by a female.
when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).
Mary Koss, famous for promoting the 1 in 5 rape myth, was a CDC consultant and recorded in an interview stating it would be "inappropriate" to categorize a male forced into sex with a woman as rape.
I don't have the study on the convicts anymore it was lost to me. In terms of other data, there is reporting DOJ data on victims of grooming/abuse in juvenile detention, with the overwhelming majority of cases being male prisoners and female staff. There's also a general article on the topic for reference.
There are financial and political incentives to erase male victims of rape, in particular those who's abuser is a woman.
Nice little jab at me, I’m a bisexual woman, so you’re barking up the wrong tree, but still, doesn’t mean gay parents shouldn’t adopt.
There’s so much child abuse in the foster system by straight people that I don’t give a shit about the small population of gay men that are pedophiles in regards to the rights of gay people in general being able to adopt children.
Lock up the pedophiles, yes. Improve the policies for adoption and screening, yes. But for a couple wanting to adopt a kid, a couple with no prior history of violence or sexual abuse, who have a stable job and home, should be able to adopt a kid.
There’s so much child abuse in the foster system by straight people that I don’t give a shit about the small population of gay men that are pedophiles in regards to the rights of gay people in general being able to adopt children.
How do you know it's a small percent?
If homosexual men make up less than 1% of the population but committ 30% of child rape, then that seems very unlikely.
Lock up the pedophiles, yes. Improve the policies for adoption and screening, yes. But for a couple wanting to adopt a kid, a couple with no prior history of violence or sexual abuse, who have a stable job and home, should be able to adopt a kid.
I think we should look at the children's best interest.
Not the interests of homosexuals who want to adopt.
Not when 1% are committing 30% of the abuse.
That’s what I am. Hi. Born with ovaries. Do you identify as a straight male/female or are you one?
Depends on how many of those pedophiles are repeat offenders. Do you have a total? How many pedophiles identify as gay men?
Yep, I think it would be in a child’s best interest to find a home instead of being bounced around in the foster system. There’s a lot of abuse in the foster system. Only a heartless bastard would ignore the statistic of abuse and neglect of children in the foster system.
I don’t agree with this but I also believe in isolationism (not butting into foreign affairs unless it is a threat to us; like China and ideological terrorism by people who are stuck in the 1400’s are threats).
This is not a threat to us. I just know not to move to Russia because I disagree with their decision. I stay in America because America aligns with my values.
This is an argument against open borders and for ideological vetting in immigration.
I don’t care what happens if a marriage is between two consenting adults and it is not out of pressure/arrangement, etc.
However, sex is not for little kids (18+ should boink 18+ unless the gap is small enough to where they’re social peers anyway in things like school).
If America and Europe were a test on the effects of gay marriage on society, I think it's fair that every other country bans it.
What you do in your own home is your own business. But normalizing/promoting the sexual deviancy of a minor part of population is not healthy for society. The slippery slop is real. Make whatever private contracts you want with the person you love, but I'm done with marriage. I use to support it, I've changed my mind, it was a mistake.
Yes, some gay people are born that way. But waaaaay more gay people are made through a pedophilic cycle of abuse that. Does. Not. Stop.
Why was marriage, a religious institution, given stature in the realm of government? Because a monogamous, two-parent household that produces well-adjusted children is the foundation of civil society.
We don't need non-child-producing, statistically inclined toward child abuse "family units" to be incentivized through tax breaks.
Good job, Russia. Putin's a tyrant, but it ain't black and white.
Kudos to Russia; homosexuality is a root evil that springs unfathomable heinous behaviors directed directly to children. Why do you think it was classed as a mental illness?, it wasn't because of the man on man it was the spinoffs that occur.
Pedophelia is the most protected crime in the world.
Russia lives upto Christianity and democracy.
USA lives down to communism.
That's a reversal for the books..........so Russia and the USA may never be allies, they are always opposites? Or can China become the new boogeyman for both?
You should go. Film a documentary there about how great it is. Train a carrier pigeon to deliver your materials back to us if they throw you in jail or into some camp for practicing free speech.
Makessense. you want to give tax breaks to people who produce offspring. Not people who live hedonistic 5-way sex parties until they die of aids.
From someone that has been trying to push that point for years, good luck. No one seems to get that a gay couple cannot PRODUCE a child from within their marriage, the whole POINT of tax deductions is to promote creating more taxpayers.
Got a liberal out of my life recently by pointing out that they are not real parents, this was apparently extremely offensive...
I've heard an account by a kid adopted by a gay couple who saw and was told to do disgusting gay shit.
The "parents" tried to turn him gay.
Sick fucks. The gay lifestyle is not for kids.
The safest place for any child to be is living with two married biological parents.
It is probably illegal to study the connection between homosexuals and child abuse in most countries, or at least it will certainly get you fired and end your career.
But consider these facts: the vast majority of child sexual predators are males. Almost a third of child sexual abuse victims are boys. Less than 1% of men are homosexuals.
So you do the math yourself
Gay communuity: Being gay isn't a choice. We are just born this way.
Also Gay community: Okay son, act gay because we said so.
There was this one gay couple featured in some news stories about how brave they are for adopting despite the bigotry of the alt-right against their kind.
A few years later there's a story about how they used that fucking kid like a fleshlight and brought in a half dozen of their friends to abuse him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cKRy2WJ_tw
One gay couple in the news? You do know there are straight couples that abuse their kids, and a sickening amount of fathers in straight marriages who rape or sexually assault their children.
I dont think I want to see that.
My gay relative is against gays being able to adopt. His logic is that children need both a mother and a father for a healthy childhood. Way too much logic for modern people to handle though.
Even gay couples have tops and bottoms. Ask Barry and Big Mike.
Bi here, gay people should not adopt.
There is nothing wrong with supremacy.
If you say so my fellow white person
Noooooo! That’s ignorant! Marriage is about Wuuuuuvvvv!
My response to that argument was always "Oh, no.... I don't recommend love as a reason to get married AT ALL." It's like literally the worst reason if you think about it.
Can confirm. Real love doesn't found a marriage but is the fruit a series of hard choices.
Not to mention the modern concept of love is basically lust+expectations and has nothing to do with genuine loyalty, respect, compassion, etc.
because very, very few people understand that men and women feel love in different ways, but the love that they can feel for one another is no less powerful, it just has a different perspective and meaning
because of Marxist mindrot working over the last few generations to destroy this millennia old knowledge, many people find themselves in extremely unhappy and unfulfilling relationships because they don't understand that what they're trying to find doesn't exist anywhere but inside their head.
My answer is "Marriage ain't about you".
Exactly. But you have to start with the foundation that it isn't all just about the feelz. Then they can begin to comprehend what it really is about.
Good job getting her, she has a good brain.
You mean penalize anyone who's relationship is on the approved government list? None of it is the government's business in the first place.
Amen. The sodomites are not reproducers, they are recruiters. And they will all prey on children given the opportunity.
There are gay people in this community too. People that do NOT fuck around and get aids but who happen to like it up their asses.
Not me, but just saying. A vote from a gay Trumper is a vote and he doesn't hunt in the hetero dating pool but instead takes another, likely attractive, guy with him! What's not to like?
Exactly. I don't get these assholes justifying their "uh gay marriage is heineous and gross and shouldn't exist. For one, gay people shouldn't have children. Marriage is about children and is sacred. Don't you know it might make kids confused?"
Come on are you forgetting all of the leftists that get married and have abortions and call it "a clump of cells" because they want to live child free? Or the ones that divorce and fight over custody of children and screw them up mentally? The people who beat their children and rape them in straight marriages is very high too, and you're telling me gay people shouldn't get married because some gay people suck? On that logic, no one should fucking get married.
Marriage is already a travesty in many cases, it was never objectively sacred. Hell, legal divorce started back in 1527. The main point of legally registering marriage is legal protections. It's a contract and should be considered a commitment. If you want to ascribe whatever other meanings to marriage, you can, in your own private marriage.
I'm going to repost this since I didn't get an answer yet. The safest place for any child to be is living with two married biological parents.
It is probably illegal to study the connection between homosexuals and child abuse, or at least it will certainly get you fired and end your career.
But consider these facts: the vast majority of child sexual predators are males. And almost a third of child sexual abuse victims are boys. Less than 1% of men are homosexuals.
So you do the math yourself
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077559509342125 This study in the Netherlands shows that adoptive parents are less likely to abuse children than step parents. In fact the risk of abuse is elevated for stepparents but not for adoptive families. I think that gay people would be more likely to be adoptive parents than step parents.
Thanks for posting your info though. I would like to see more studies just like you.
So now we went from sexual abuse to "maltreatment"?
Also, I can only read the abstract and not the study itself. But that is NOT what th abstract says. It says adoptive parents were less likely to committ "maltreatment" (however that might be defined) compared to what the researchers "expected". Now we do not know what the researchers expected. We do not know if "maltreatment" was higher in the adoptive group than in biological parent group. We do not know if they controlled for family wealth. We know very little. And there is no good reason for this vagueness in the abstract other than to confuse. This sounds like politically correct distortion of data if anything
It’s difficult to find studies about sexual abuse specifically in adoptive families. Adoptive families are much different from a live in partner or step parent. I assume abuse falls under maltreatment.
Good news my friend. I have now looked at th study. The authors say they didn't want to look at sexual abuse in the study. So they did not look at th association between adoption and sexual abuse.
They also did not look at family wealth. Or "SES" as they put it.
This pretty much invalidates the conclusions of the study since we know that adoption is difficult and expensive and adoptive parents on average are wealthier that non adoptive parents. We also know that low family wealth predicts "maltreatment" of children.
And why do you think it's hard to find studies like that?
Because no one thought of studying it?
Or because of political interests preventing such studies?
The vast majority of child sexual predators are not males, just as the vast majority of rapists are not males. The numbers are about even, but the data is suppressed by both feminists and chest beating traditionalists. Survey data of male sex offenders shows that almost all of them were abused by someone of the opposite sex.
This is a lie.
There is no evidence to support your conspiracy theories.
Vast majority of rapists are men without a doubt. Even if we were to believe female rape is underreported, it is still proven beyond a doubt that men are vastly overrepresented.
This is by the way what victims of child sexual abuse report too. Their abusers were overwhelmingly male.
There were several articles on the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NIPSVS): https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
Mary Koss, famous for promoting the 1 in 5 rape myth, was a CDC consultant and recorded in an interview stating it would be "inappropriate" to categorize a male forced into sex with a woman as rape.
In terms of other data, there is reporting DOJ data on victims of grooming/abuse in juvenile detention, with the overwhelming majority of cases being male prisoners and female staff. There's also a general article on the topic for reference.
There are financial and political incentives to erase male victims of rape, in particular those who's abuser is a woman. What you think is true is, at least in part, a lie to enable the demonization of men and the protection of female abusers because it would be inconvenient for the public narrative.
I think it has to do with the obvious observation (basic subconscious pattern-matching) that gay men tend to be way more deviant and degenerate.
And this would make sense -- humanity has spent literally hundreds of thousands of years trying to regulate sexuality in a productive way in order to optimize for offspring survival. And even though we are 'liberated' by contraceptives, nothing about how our psyche revolves around sex has changed all that much. Just look at the preoccupation people have with sexual assault, even though most of it is objectively a complete nothing burger compared to being physically hurt.
Because even though sex is like our biggest drive, it is completely taboo outside a very, very small circle of situations that we have deemed permissible. And this is ingrained into our bones from birth.
But a lot of these taboos (most?) revolve 100% around hetero sex and go right out the window when talking about homosexual men sex, which makes people wary about being tolerant to male homosexuality in general, especially when they see the sort of stuff on display at a typical pride parade.
The conclusion here is, I believe, that the proper course of action involves actually encouraging gay marriage (with all the super strict laws about divorce and stuff to go along with it) so as to encourage homosexual monogamy and rather ban stuff like pride parades or whatever else promotes the sort of deviant behavior that goes against our collective taboos around sex. Make gay people follow the same taboos as everyone else and I think you'd see a lot less homophobia
Did you think that would sell me?
How else would I sell gayness to a nongay person? I think I did pretty well. But don't drive the gays away. We need every vote. If you want to hate on something, hate on trans-people. In 98 % of cases, those are just insane. So you have my blessing. But your average gay person just likes to... well do gay stuff.
Don't drive away the gay ones we have!
You think telling women women that gay men take attractive men out of the dating pool is going to garner support?
Far point. Nothing against people who are gay but in terms of offspring and building a society the only thing you have to offer is the tax you pay on goods and services.
Tax breaks for married couples (that can produce kids) really helps the local economy as raising kids pumps a lot of money into it.
Sure. Married people with kids can claim their children as dependents. Why should straight married couples without children have tax breaks under your logic? The ones who are child free and get abortions?
They shouldn’t. In a perfect system, they have kids then get the tax break. But giving a tax break to straight married couples produces a more likely scenario where that couple decides have children. Those offspring are the most desirable for a society.
You know that there’s a joint filing tax break, and a whole other tax break for dependents, right?
Yes I know. But I think the tax break should only be for dependents. Joint filers already save money by pooling finances together for living costs.
Perhaps. Still not a good reason to block gay marriage, if straight people get the benefit for being childless.
That’s why I said ideally, there shouldn’t be a tax break straight or not unless that marriage produces children.
Exactly, and why would they need the tax break?
Could be they've just observed the decline of the West due to the slippery slope of "We just want to be allowed to get married, we don't want to push our agenda on anyone..."
Not only that but homosexuality literally benefits no one. It's a road of pleasure that knocks on deaths door. God didn't say it was pure confusion lightly.
I feel bad having to have this out, because people dont choose homosexuality, but we've been elevating and praising hedonism homosexuality for the last 10 years when its literally valueless to society.
Of course they choose it. Every thought and every action and every word spoken by all people are choice. The temptation or desire however is not choice but the act, and mind-set to dabble or dwell in it is 100% choice.
I think they were actually offering citizenship to Americans who can prove their Polish lineage.
First DuckDuckGo result:
https://nomadcapitalist.com/2014/05/01/get-polish-citizenship-descent/
EDIT: They may have relaxed it since this 2014 article and previous which is why I noticed it. I will let you do the searching to see if I'm totally wrong lol
It was just something I read online 2 or so years ago. Not sure if it was from their govt or what.
It piqued my interest at the time because half of my family is Polish.
Alaska is my fail safe, it's too fucking cold no one will ever try to illegally immigrate there. Too fucking cold for riots and protests everyone has a rifle for fighting off wolves and bears and shit. When America collapses we'll just declare independence because whoever takes it over ain't going to the arctic to claim peoples homes. Also fuck Canada, we don't need their protection.
Ever watch Survival Russia on YouTube? Interesting stuff!
Same here, am from Russia.
We have it bad with the dirty mudslimes though
Russians really like money and free business. Communism has died there but the old factions of ideas still remain in the cultural context, not an economic one.
The problem with Russia (government) is that while Communism may be dead, the totalitarian ideology is still there and will take a millennia to dilute. Sad really
Vo Istiny Voskres!
You have the right ideas in your comment, my friend.
Democracy as known in the West is (for now) impossible for Russians to be under. Russians works well with one ruler, but one that must be just - a rarity considering how people in Russia get to power.
Much Russian blood has been spilled over the last century - on a deep level the Russians are starting to come back to the deepest roots of how their nation was under Tsardom, but I fear more tyranny will be in place for a long long time. Maybe it’s for the best to avoid chaos.
I do know one thing though, once a nation rejects God - the tragedy by the hands of evil tyrants knows no bounds, and only the people suffer. It is not God’s punishment per se, but rather a consequence of humanity being unable to control it’s own evil present in each and every one of us.
Russia is my bug-out plan, too. I am hopeful that even if the Left end up burning this country down, Putin is willing to do whatever it takes to maintain a place where a man and woman can safely raise a family. President Trump is committed to this as well, and I'm confident we'll win. And I don't want to focus on any other outcome than that if I can help it.
Media: This is the direction Trump wants to lead the USA
Truth: Trump was the first president to support Gay marriage at inauguration and had the first openly Gay cabinet member
Yep. Hope some of the pedes here don't mistake Trump for Putin. He never hated gay people, he just didn't join in the identity politics circus. If people here are going to completely justify hating gay people by saying it's part of MAGA, then they've severely misunderstood what MAGA means.
America was started because people wanted freedom from forced religion and from tyranny under law. If someone wants to be gay, let them. If they want to be registered as legally married, let them. It's a legal contract, it's not a religious rite they're taking part of. Putin couldn't give a shit about religion. He's blocking gay marriage because he can, and for the power play, not because he's worried about the religious impact.
Based AF
Nice use of greek language. Have an upvote sir.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
I believe you would find more success teaching English speakers to regard words with the depth of Logos, than you will find in getting English speakers to speak Greek.
Thanks based pede! I needed that! 🙌
Meh I don't care, let the church decide for themselves. Separate religion from government
This. It's not a federal government's job to dictate what church's do. When the whole "gay marriage" uproar started, the proper solution would've been to simply grant civil unions the same tax benefits and federal statuses as marriages and be done with it, not dictate that churches start marrying gay people. Marriage is a religious practice, and the government never had any right to tell churches they had to marry gays. By the same token, it is not the government's place to tell churches they can't marry gays. That issue is one for the church to decide for itself.
The proper solution would be for government to divest itself entirely from certifying marriages. It's not it's place to endorse or criminalize the personal relationships of consenting adults.
God's Word is very clear on the subject. One Man and One Woman together in union under God.
I believe that the reason there is so much divorce is because God is not first. He is to be first above all things spouse, kids, family, society, and one's self. That is not easy, but it is necessary for a marriage to work. There is rules for the husband and for the wife as well.
Still reading and trying to understand the depth that is presented.
Even in straight marriages, you can't guarantee that "god will be first". There are many "godless" marriages, so why dictate that gay people shouldn't get legally married if straight marriages are full of greed, infidelity, child and spousal abuse, divorce, abortions? It was not homosexuality that caused so many straight marriages to be such failures.
Also, muslims believe as fervently in their god, as you do yours. Doesn't mean you or they are correct, just because you believe strongly. You can see what a failure muslim countries are when they include religion in their law making. This is why the country should be secular. Individual people can be driven by religion. But not laws.
I think you missed what I said.
As for you second sentence. Our country right now IS secular. You are seeing it being played out in real time. Our country has tried over the last 30-40 years to get rid of God in all areas of society. That includes the church. This is a result.
Whether you believe or not is up to you.
Yes, I believe in personal responsibility. I believe everyone should be responsible for their actions not because they fear God, but because they want to live in a better world, and the best way to change it for the better is to change yourself, work hard on yourself.
I am agnostic about God, I believe he likely exists, but whether or not the church is right about their teachings is unclear. You can see how easy it is today, even with all of the information available, to trick people into believing something is right or wrong. You can see how easily people believe propaganda.
With that experience of human psychology, I believe it would be very easy over the course of hundreds of years for priests and the catholic/christian church to manipulate the religion into something that keeps them in power, not something that spreads the truth. I do not believe the christian religion would have prevented the leftist movement, as evident of all the pedophiles who work in the church, and all of the christian churches that support movements like BLM.
There is only one source that is the Bible which contains God's Holy Word. Church is to be a gathering of brothers and sisters in Christ. Christian is derived by those that are to be Christ-like.
Catholic/Protestant or whatever label is being used doesn't matter to me. God's Word is the beginning and end of it.
Revelations is a good point to start at when dealing with these times now.
Jesus said it in the book of Matthew Chapter 13 in his parables to the crowds.
We are to act like Christ therefore we should study His character.
Working hard on yourself while continually praying, studying, and living God's Word is the best way in my opinion. I am starting to understand Matthew 7 far more lately.
Sure, but you only know it's the word of god because other humans told you it was.
Based Russians
Sadly, far too many aren't. Russian ethnicity was almost completely destroyed in the last 100 or so years, 20% still vote communist, and there is a shitton of soy-for-brain SJW types. Maybe if President Putin's followers keep his line, in a couple of generations we may see something promising.
Bullshit
I am from Russia and live in a Russian community. Russians HATE commies and love capitalism. There are soyfucks everywhere but overall, 90% of Russians vote conservative.
Also Russians despise the gay bullshit and the gay agenda
Da tovarish
Yes, you are.
😂 Excellent argument for a twelve-year old 👌
Apparently, you have self-awareness of an average antifa-type soy-boy. Blocked.
Your reply is as soft as your dick 👌
Bye cuck!
https://thedonald.win/p/GIlPHvdw/x/c/140cNV9Xcr
Self-awareness of an average antifa-type soy-boy. QED.
Well, Russia saw what happened after we legalized it. The slippery slope fallacy was no fallacy at all. I actually supported gay marriage from a libertarian standpoint.
But the part about trans people having more rights than me and all of the child grooming has turned this country into a living nightmare. Next thing you know, your entire culture is being replaced. Russia is looking out for its people.
It really is insane how the "slippery slope" turned directly into "the slippery vertical drop off"
trannies dressed like shit reading to LITTLE kids in public libraries
Relevant meme
https://kekpe.pe/i/5f0ff44244904.png
I'm starting to think that 3.5 kids would've been a better idea.
A dozen at least. You need extra hands for the homestead.
Imagine giving a shit about other people getting married.
I think the "problem" is that straight married people are treated as "less than" now, and mocked.
Where as the gays are celebrated, lifted up, etc.
If we all got treated equal I think people would care less.
imagine giving a shit about a dude calling itself a chick... oh wait
Faggot
Hey I know we are out of reddit cuckdom but cmon, let’s throw it down for the gays and FUCK Russia. Why is anyone celebrating this? I know plenty of based gays let’s work on being more inclusive here than fucking reddit
California voted it down. Courts overrode the vote. (Divorce lawyers cheered)
Let the gays marry I don’t give a shot. What’s that? It’s Russia? Oh who gives a fuck
Certainly better than importing millions of inbreds.
I'm curious though, do you think gay people are the only pedophiles, and do you think all gay people are pedos?
Do you really think stopping gay marriage and the formation of more two-parent families will stop MORE molestation even though the children that remain un-adopted then have to stay in the foster system, which is highly practically unregulated, and results in so much molestation and child abuse?
It's not because of gay rights that we teach 5 year olds how to masturbate. It's because people are insane, and the left listens to the insane, and mostly insane straight people fucked up the school system.
Even if you banned gay marriage, straight people still would fight for the right for abortion, because sex without consequence is a right in many people's minds. Do not blame the insanity of the left on gay people. Straight people are the ones who complain the most about abstinence teaching the US.
Gay people don't care at all about getting pregnant by accident (obviously), so they're not the ones saying "hey the reason why we want to teach sexuality in classes is for the safety of our children."
Everything else you said is dumb too. You don't have to celebrate homosexuality. Not every gay person worships the woke agendas of the left. They just want to be left alone, and have the joint-filing tax breaks if they're married. Saying you don't want gay people to be married or adopt because you don't support pedophiles is dumb too. If that were the case, then you should also ban straight couples adopting children, because abuse happens there too. Same for straight people having babies and then raping them. I fucking hate child abusers too.
Fuck off, you tried to play the victim card just like some black people play the race card, even though I'm sure you know pedophilia unfortunately affects many children in families with "one man and one woman traditionally married." Physical abuse is also rampant among the beautiful 2 straight parents and 2.5 kids model.
It's also not the gay people having almost a million abortions a year.
But sure, worry about gay degeneracy.
But statistics are very clear. Non biological parents are much more likely to sexually abuse children.
One third of children who are sexually abused are boys. The vast majority of them are abused by men. Yet homosexual men only make up about 1% of the population.
Why should we not worry about these facts?
Non biological doesn't mean the same thing as gay.
One day in your life something in your brain will click, maybe two brain cells will shiver and send a spark that makes you go "oh I was being a dumbass".
Just like for the middle-grounds people this election that realize the left is being extremely dumb, and they switch over to Trump. I just know it will happen, so I can't even be mad at you for being so stupid.
I understand, you are a victim of child abuse, and it's hard to come out of the fog. I hope you find your peace and clarity one day.
Men make up the vast majority of sexual child abusers. Homosexual men make up less than 1% of the population. Yet boys make up about a third of sexual abuse victims.
Homosexuals are vastly overrepresented among child sexual abusers.
Yeah, men make up most of sexual abusers, true. Doesn’t mean gay men or women shouldn’t adopt. There are men in straight relationships too.
This is a theory I have, so don’t have a fit, but I think homosexual men might be overrepresented both because gay men are still likely to hide their sexuality so the numbers of out men are smaller, and since homosexuality is still seen as deviant and strange, pedophiles might either be more likely to identify with it because it’s “alternative”, or because they’re a crazy leftist and they used homosexuality as a fun identity instead of a sexuality. Most abusers don’t care which sex the child is, it’s about the power and corruption.
Men are not the majority of sex abusers. CDC reporting data showed that almost as many men were abused by the opposite sex as women. The CDC tried to hide the data by categorizing men as "made to penetrate" instead of the obvious category of rape. In addition, reporting from sex abuse convicts showed they were almost always abused by a female.
Interesting. What source did you read?
There were several articles on the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NIPSVS): https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
Mary Koss, famous for promoting the 1 in 5 rape myth, was a CDC consultant and recorded in an interview stating it would be "inappropriate" to categorize a male forced into sex with a woman as rape.
I don't have the study on the convicts anymore it was lost to me. In terms of other data, there is reporting DOJ data on victims of grooming/abuse in juvenile detention, with the overwhelming majority of cases being male prisoners and female staff. There's also a general article on the topic for reference.
There are financial and political incentives to erase male victims of rape, in particular those who's abuser is a woman.
That word soup makes zero sense.
If less than 1% of men are committing more than 30% of the child abuse, then that is a pattern only gay pedophile abusers would want to ignore.
That's an ever bigger overrepresentation than muslims
This is not true at all.
Most pedophile have very clear gender preferences.
Nice little jab at me, I’m a bisexual woman, so you’re barking up the wrong tree, but still, doesn’t mean gay parents shouldn’t adopt.
There’s so much child abuse in the foster system by straight people that I don’t give a shit about the small population of gay men that are pedophiles in regards to the rights of gay people in general being able to adopt children.
Lock up the pedophiles, yes. Improve the policies for adoption and screening, yes. But for a couple wanting to adopt a kid, a couple with no prior history of violence or sexual abuse, who have a stable job and home, should be able to adopt a kid.
Is that what you Are, or how you "identify"?
How do you know it's a small percent?
If homosexual men make up less than 1% of the population but committ 30% of child rape, then that seems very unlikely.
I think we should look at the children's best interest. Not the interests of homosexuals who want to adopt. Not when 1% are committing 30% of the abuse.
But clearly we have different priorities "miss"
That’s what I am. Hi. Born with ovaries. Do you identify as a straight male/female or are you one?
Depends on how many of those pedophiles are repeat offenders. Do you have a total? How many pedophiles identify as gay men?
Yep, I think it would be in a child’s best interest to find a home instead of being bounced around in the foster system. There’s a lot of abuse in the foster system. Only a heartless bastard would ignore the statistic of abuse and neglect of children in the foster system.
Eastern Europe is the only light of hope in the world right now for the continuation of western civilization
Lmao.
I don’t agree with this but I also believe in isolationism (not butting into foreign affairs unless it is a threat to us; like China and ideological terrorism by people who are stuck in the 1400’s are threats).
This is not a threat to us. I just know not to move to Russia because I disagree with their decision. I stay in America because America aligns with my values.
This is an argument against open borders and for ideological vetting in immigration.
I don’t care what happens if a marriage is between two consenting adults and it is not out of pressure/arrangement, etc.
However, sex is not for little kids (18+ should boink 18+ unless the gap is small enough to where they’re social peers anyway in things like school).
Hawaiian judge has entered the chat
Theocratic governance is pestilence.
Thinking about moving to Russia.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Seethe more faggot.
Hey if you're obsessed with people's butt holes I don't want you around. That's for sure.
I read it as "Russia Changes Constitution to Bang Gay Marriage" and thought it would be some REALLY weird pr0n.
If America and Europe were a test on the effects of gay marriage on society, I think it's fair that every other country bans it.
What you do in your own home is your own business. But normalizing/promoting the sexual deviancy of a minor part of population is not healthy for society. The slippery slop is real. Make whatever private contracts you want with the person you love, but I'm done with marriage. I use to support it, I've changed my mind, it was a mistake.
I never understood thre gay marriage thing. Unless only one of them are working, they're not getting a tax break.
I've never understood why any man wants to put his dick in the asshole of anything. Male, female, goat etc... But then again I don't believe in Islam.
Yes, some gay people are born that way. But waaaaay more gay people are made through a pedophilic cycle of abuse that. Does. Not. Stop.
Why was marriage, a religious institution, given stature in the realm of government? Because a monogamous, two-parent household that produces well-adjusted children is the foundation of civil society.
We don't need non-child-producing, statistically inclined toward child abuse "family units" to be incentivized through tax breaks.
Good job, Russia. Putin's a tyrant, but it ain't black and white.
Next it is time to ban Gay couples from adopting. No more of this shit please.
You're right. All straight people who can't conceive naturally shouldn't have children. No medical procedures, no doctor checkups, no adoptions!
Based. Marriage is between a man and woman only. Your fetishes shouldn't be recognized by the state.
Good. Now do the USA.
Kudos to Russia; homosexuality is a root evil that springs unfathomable heinous behaviors directed directly to children. Why do you think it was classed as a mental illness?, it wasn't because of the man on man it was the spinoffs that occur. Pedophelia is the most protected crime in the world.
I like Comrade Vlad more than I like Comrade Sanders
Russia lives upto Christianity and democracy. USA lives down to communism. That's a reversal for the books..........so Russia and the USA may never be allies, they are always opposites? Or can China become the new boogeyman for both?
You should go. Film a documentary there about how great it is. Train a carrier pigeon to deliver your materials back to us if they throw you in jail or into some camp for practicing free speech.
The carrier pigeon was a nice touch.