I'm white and have a Native ancestor for that very reason. When Natives talk about what my people have done I become indignant with their ignorant asses with good cause.
That's not true: the tribe in my family tree was totally being genocided. In fact, they were down to 300 people at one point.
They were being killed in mass by their neighboring tribes and even their former tribe mates.
Then white people showed up. The tribe was incredibly peaceful (hence the violence they suffered, but just to stress this was a rare culture in the tribes) so they immediately made friends. Many Americans joined the tribe (because unlike most, they weren't racist). Suddenly, they had guns and allies. Their numbers exploded to over 3000, and they became one of the anchors of the entire plain Indian group.
Their territory ended up growing so large that they ended up donating land for reservations... To the very groups that had been killing them off a few generations before.
What I said was that there was no genocide of Indians (in general) by WHITES.
Many or most Indian tribes weren't friendly towards each other. Indians of one tribe killed Indians of other tribes all the time. If your ancestors' tribe was peaceful and was not attacking the other tribe back, and the other tribe was killing them to put an end to their tribe, then they definitely wanted to commit genocide.
Wait, people did do around hunting Indians. After 1849, in California there were general extermination campaigns run to kill natives. History is a complicated mire. Beware easy truths to satisfy todays needs.
Hunting and killing Indians that were not a danger to whites and.or not attacking/killing them was not a government policy or standard behavior.
Or, if there was a particular group of Indians that was attacking whites, I can see white people wanting to do away with that particular group, but whites did no commit genocide towards the Indians in general. The plan was always reserving land for the Indians, rather than doing away with them. There was no genocide of Indians by whites.
I guess I have to pull out my book collection to offer some good examples, but I do know that in California natives were not citizens and were not legally people and were openly hunted in campaigns of extermination in the bay area. There is a lot of political nonsense around words like genocide and holocaust.
In some cases retributive violence was used to excess. In limited cases tribes were hunted to extinction or driven to extinction through public policy written with full knowledge of the effects. History is tragic, but the extermination of natives wasnt a fair, nice, justified affair. It was a bloody mess, we won this territory by force of arms. America became an empire. We can acknowledge those facts and still salute our flag. We are humans, not perfect like God. Our creatioms always include the good with the evil.
I understand that there was bloodshed perpetuated by both sides. I do NOT agree that there was "genocide."
Many Indian tribes gratuitously killed Indians from other tribes long before whites arrived, and Indians also attacked and killed whites.
Indians weren't "natives" to America either. They also migrated to this land, and there were other people here before them.
Indian tribes lived on some isolated spots of land in this vast area we now know as the U.S. They never took ownership of the whole area, the tribes were not unified, they had no central government, the Indians, as a people, had no established borders, they had no claim to the whole area of the U.S., they never developed anything in this vast land that remotely indicated that this whole area was "taken," and they did nothing to make this land into a country. Furthermore, it was still a time of exploration, settlement, and development in this planet, and the strongest, the most capable, and most effective took over every land they could. The truth is that the Indians did NOT have a country, did NOT have borders, and this land was completely undeveloped, which suggested that it was NOT taken. If it hadn't been the Europeans to settle in America (reserving land for the Indians), to develop it, and turn it into a country with borders, it would have been the Chinese or the Arabs, and then there would indeed have been genocide, the Indians would either have all been killed, or the few left would have no land for themselves and would all be forced to be Muslims.
White people have recognized the Indian's rights to some of the land since the beginning, and this is still true today. There was conflict with some tribes and whites attacked Indians who attacked them and were dangerous to them. I'm sure there were some white people who hated Indians just for existing and/or who were particularly cruel to them, but they don't represent the attitude of most white people at any time, don't represent government policy at any time, and don't qualify to say that whites, in general, committed genocide of Indians in general.
Indians killed white people too, and contrary to what leftards say, there was no genocide of Indians.
White people didn't go around hunting Indians to kill them, nor did they gather them out of the blue and shot them dead.
There were fights, and there was illness; that's how many Indians died.
To be fair it was exactly what they did amongst themselves before we even got here.
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Wait until they learn what native Americans did to women and young girls of competing tribes.
Gonna be a lot of tendies spilled on that whole piece of history!
I'm white and have a Native ancestor for that very reason. When Natives talk about what my people have done I become indignant with their ignorant asses with good cause.
That's not true: the tribe in my family tree was totally being genocided. In fact, they were down to 300 people at one point.
They were being killed in mass by their neighboring tribes and even their former tribe mates.
Then white people showed up. The tribe was incredibly peaceful (hence the violence they suffered, but just to stress this was a rare culture in the tribes) so they immediately made friends. Many Americans joined the tribe (because unlike most, they weren't racist). Suddenly, they had guns and allies. Their numbers exploded to over 3000, and they became one of the anchors of the entire plain Indian group.
Their territory ended up growing so large that they ended up donating land for reservations... To the very groups that had been killing them off a few generations before.
Wow, that’s a very interesting story. I’d like to learn more about it. Do you have any place I could go to check it out?
What I said was that there was no genocide of Indians (in general) by WHITES.
Many or most Indian tribes weren't friendly towards each other. Indians of one tribe killed Indians of other tribes all the time. If your ancestors' tribe was peaceful and was not attacking the other tribe back, and the other tribe was killing them to put an end to their tribe, then they definitely wanted to commit genocide.
Wait, people did do around hunting Indians. After 1849, in California there were general extermination campaigns run to kill natives. History is a complicated mire. Beware easy truths to satisfy todays needs.
There are bad people in all races and groups.
Hunting and killing Indians that were not a danger to whites and.or not attacking/killing them was not a government policy or standard behavior.
Or, if there was a particular group of Indians that was attacking whites, I can see white people wanting to do away with that particular group, but whites did no commit genocide towards the Indians in general. The plan was always reserving land for the Indians, rather than doing away with them. There was no genocide of Indians by whites.
I guess I have to pull out my book collection to offer some good examples, but I do know that in California natives were not citizens and were not legally people and were openly hunted in campaigns of extermination in the bay area. There is a lot of political nonsense around words like genocide and holocaust.
In some cases retributive violence was used to excess. In limited cases tribes were hunted to extinction or driven to extinction through public policy written with full knowledge of the effects. History is tragic, but the extermination of natives wasnt a fair, nice, justified affair. It was a bloody mess, we won this territory by force of arms. America became an empire. We can acknowledge those facts and still salute our flag. We are humans, not perfect like God. Our creatioms always include the good with the evil.
I understand that there was bloodshed perpetuated by both sides. I do NOT agree that there was "genocide."
Many Indian tribes gratuitously killed Indians from other tribes long before whites arrived, and Indians also attacked and killed whites.
Indians weren't "natives" to America either. They also migrated to this land, and there were other people here before them.
Indian tribes lived on some isolated spots of land in this vast area we now know as the U.S. They never took ownership of the whole area, the tribes were not unified, they had no central government, the Indians, as a people, had no established borders, they had no claim to the whole area of the U.S., they never developed anything in this vast land that remotely indicated that this whole area was "taken," and they did nothing to make this land into a country. Furthermore, it was still a time of exploration, settlement, and development in this planet, and the strongest, the most capable, and most effective took over every land they could. The truth is that the Indians did NOT have a country, did NOT have borders, and this land was completely undeveloped, which suggested that it was NOT taken. If it hadn't been the Europeans to settle in America (reserving land for the Indians), to develop it, and turn it into a country with borders, it would have been the Chinese or the Arabs, and then there would indeed have been genocide, the Indians would either have all been killed, or the few left would have no land for themselves and would all be forced to be Muslims.
White people have recognized the Indian's rights to some of the land since the beginning, and this is still true today. There was conflict with some tribes and whites attacked Indians who attacked them and were dangerous to them. I'm sure there were some white people who hated Indians just for existing and/or who were particularly cruel to them, but they don't represent the attitude of most white people at any time, don't represent government policy at any time, and don't qualify to say that whites, in general, committed genocide of Indians in general.
I know, I was just speaking in terms of Cheadles thoughts ;)