"It's okay though because you're still social distancing and wearing a mask. And Mrs. Jones needs to borrow your IV machine because she's really come down bad."
Good question. Maybe because she was floated as a VP candidate, but it's almost a certainty Joe will pick a black person. So she gets tossed to the side.
Strange how nobody has had the balls to ask Cuomo "WHY" he put COVID19 infected into nursing homes. I could only come up with a few reasons, first of which was to jack up the death count to hurt Trump. I also think there was an economic decision there too. By lowering the number of retired workers drawing a pensions by 20,000 (just a random number i came up with), the state of New York would save almost 200 million per month.
So he's claimed, he had to do it because they needed the hospital beds free. Except hospitals were never actually overwhelmed, the Mercy relief ship never saw more than 1/5th capacity, and numerous field hospitals that were opened at great expense closed several weeks later without seeing a single patient. So there was really no "official" reason at all for him do it.
He also claimed that instructions requiring him to do so were sent by Trump's administration, except no one outside of a handful of Democrat governors apparently interpreted these instructions that way since no one else forced infected patients into nursing homes, and they can't point to what specific guidance mandated they do it.
The real reason was to kill predominantly conservative elderly citizens while simultaneously inflating the death toll to make ORANGE MAN look BAD.
Let’s be realistic, those conservative voters wouldn’t have tipped the scales where NYC or NY would have flipped red. Good thing we have the Electoral College to protect against things like that.
I don't think they're allowed to do that. I hope I don't come to regret this statement, but out of my list of top 20 election things to worry about, it doesn't make the list.
Earlier, here in Sweden; they said they wouldn't put people above a certain age or part of a vulnerable group into ICUs.
Swedish rightwing media reported that people in nursing homes weren't given ventilators because it was 'too difficult' for the staff to handle, partly because language barriers. Doctors prescribed morphine to the ill to 'ease their passing'. Regular media sucks the government's dicks.
I think they died for economic reasons.
Sweden have shut down schools but I think there wasn't a big shutdown because we couldn't afford it. I feel like the only things that are allowed to cost money is the environment and immigration. Plastic bags in grocery stores are almost 1$ because taxes. In August we'll continue to receive resettled quota refugees from UNHCR who will be settled in areas with low coronavirus numbers. They claim they will be medically screened. Hold my Second Wave.
He/his supporters like to say, "He WaS jUsT fOlLoWiNg CDC gUiDeLiNeS!!" but.. if that's the case, why was NY the only state to do it to that extent, and only a couple of states sent any infected patients into nursing homes?!
We know about NY/NJ (and CA for a short time) for sure - that article seems to conflate states having nursing home deaths (which we expect) with states mandating they take covid patients causing a higher rate of fatalities in nursing homes.
Nonetheless, it wasn't "CDC Guidelines" they were following, it was state-wide orders.
When you ordered COVID positive patients into the nursing homes, killing thousands... how did that make you feel? Are you at all concerned about your own humanity? Are you concerned that you should rot in hell for this?
This is how the media asks President Trump questions.
When a felon's not engaged in his employment,
Or maturing his felonious little plans.
His capacity for innocent enjoyment,
Is just as great as any honest man's.
They wont vanish but they will not be promoted by the media and lib govt. so brightly and will be reduced to mockery status as they were set at by these groups before they became a political tool over the arrest of a convicted felon on drugs committing a felony when his over sized heart seized as he had a panic attack exacerbated by the drugs in his system as well as his inability to stop resisting.
I’m a Trump supporter but we on this website need to stop making baseless claims.
Compare the death rate that is normally observed in previous years and look into this years.
Things like cancer, heart attack, stroke should kill the same amount of people every year. You should be able to see the CV effect on those states and then compare it to other states (e.g. California and Florida) and draw assertions.
People should make decisions based on a universal data truth because that’s the only way to get normies to vote Trump. By saying ha ha NY & NJ suck and inflated deaths is a lot easier to attack from the left than look at these graphs... 50k of deaths can be attributed to cuomo’s nursing home decision and whatever else. The left loves bringing up the death rate and attributing it all to Trump so let’s fight back with the same numbers.
Although it is true that death numbers were inflated because they were counting all deaths regardless of cause to COVID if they simple tested positive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg
Facts do not matter to the left. Corruption doesn’t care what we think. Good luck with all that. Prepare yourself and your loved ones for things to get worse and worse. Schools are already being closed forcing families to make harder and harder choices. we are in effect a broken country with major parts of the economy and government ceasing to function.
If the country doesn’t lurch hard right in November at the ballot box we are screwed.
Welcome to communism.
If they aren’t smart enough to see what’s coming at this point, then convincing is moot. You can’t fix stupid or communism, you can only deal with it. PR campaign is a little late to the party at this point.
So these decisions were PUBLIC decisions meaning we have a date
Death rates can also be understood on a week by week basis meaning there’s a moving 7 day moving average death rate that can be compiled for ALL deaths. This can account for all decisions made by public officials... in the data we should see a MUCH higher death rate for cuomos nursing home decision, and this should be shared and cuomo should be made to answer for this policy. He’s blaming Trump because he thinks it’s convenient for his political career but it’s not in Trump’s day to day responsibilities to overrule governors otherwise with 50 states, President Trump’s time would be cut short fast
Now deaths due to non covid based on previous years can be removed, the reason you don’t want to to use this years death rate is, as assumed by many of our members here, ANY death was labelled COVID, so we have to normalize our data based on last years deaths
Especially now with states like Texas and Florida that have competent leadership, death rates should be lower... we should not see any increase in the death rate, especially amongst those less than 60 years of age
Now compare areas with masks with areas with no masks. Now unlike what seems like the majority of this forum, I think masks will have an effect but we can prove this by looking at the data. Now if people are wearing masks, does that mean they’re more stringent with social distancing? Confounding variables such as these would not be incorporated into the analysis BUT as mentioned by people on this forum, COVID is just the flu so let’s see the data
He didn't accomplish it alone. Hospitals, nurses, caregivers (remember punching covid guy Trump tweeted?) and countless others turned a blind eye to mandated executions. Just following orders did a lot more damage than allowing them it to actually take place. I'm shocked not one person has sued a nursing home or hospital yet.
I'm fairly sure that Janice Dean from Fox News is going to file suit. She lost both her inlaws due to Cuomo placing infected in the faciliity where they lived.
The Trannie PA Health director seems to have grasped that concept well enough zhe got xir own mother out of a nursing home right before it issued the order shoving covid people into nursing homes. Sorry for the pronouns, I'm not fluent in 'Freak'.
Fearmongers: "But if we include New York and New Jersey WE'RE ALL DEAD REEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
I keep feeling the need to vent about people who do not see the forest from the trees. They see an outbreak here or ONE person who recovered but sustained permanent physical ailments there; and because the chance of it happening to somebody else is greater than zero or 0.01% or even 0.1%, we need to completely change our lifestyles. They purposefully pick the numbers that make the death rate and injury rate and infection rate as high as possible, and then talk us down or call us anti-science when we present other data to them. "Oh that was back in May, that's obsolete now!" "We didn't know how masks interact with viruses until a few months ago...it was one of the damnedest scientific mysteries of our time before that!"
If they reported in grisly detail the long term medical problems from people hospitalized with flu it would be just as ugly. Flu is no joke, but it is part of life. My friend got Covid, said she recovered fine and it was no big deal. Most people are fine, but we get newspaper sob stories of the ones who are not. Last year 2 teenagers died in our state from confirmed flu, zero covid teenager deaths
Didn't Pennsylvania and a couple other states also pull a Cuomo and send known cases to old folks homes? What happens if we remove all those states with that policy?
The referenced document doesn't contain the excerpts cited in the Gateway Pundit. Hopefully, we will see the version of the report that GP cites. That would be very helpful.
The latest talking point I hear from leftie friends is that we still don’t know what underlying conditions could happen to anyone catching it. Sure, you will deal with it for two weeks and maybe without symptoms, but we don’t know if it won’t permanently damage your lungs or heart and you will be weakened!
Yep. Twatter idiots salivating over that "fact" today. NPC programming has been updated so they have a comeback to why we should care about rising cases when the death toll is falling.
Probably should focus on therapeutic treatments like hydroxychloroquine/zinc combo, or budesonide in a nebulizer. Both proven effective treatments, both safe for literally everyone (gotta dose it properly, obv, not do what they did with hcq and murder people with doses 4 times too high), and both generic. We have a cure. That's the answer to anyone who bitches by muh long term effects. Give them the cure and we're done. But this is, and always has been, about orangemanbad, control, and bringing about the new world order.
Ok, remember the ground glass damage in lungs? I looked it up and hospitalization for flu does that too as well as a number of other illnesses. They reported it like it had never happened before. The extreme immune response? Happens with other illnesses too.
Our fucking drivers are scarier than this coronavirus shit. Between all the illegals who don’t give a fuck, the wrong way driver problem no one can explain, and out of towners, over 100k AZ drivers had their car insurance rate raised in June.
Yeah. No one can explain it but we have a terrible problem with people driving the wrong fucking way on our freeways. It’s gotten so bad it doesn’t make the news anymore and all we get is a “WARNING WRONG WAY DRIVER” on those LED billboards.
Crazy. I've never been to AZ, but pictures make it look like it has lots of stretches of flat sameness. Do you think people get confused by lack of landmarks?
What study is he referencing? I can't find a link to the actual study on the page. Every link he has just takes me to an older article of his but none take me to the actual study.
I did a video on this. The 5 DEMOCRAT states which forced sick patients to go back to the nursing homes are about 33% of the country's population but have caused 51% of all deaths
And you could probably reproduce the results if you didn't vaccinate and dropped a sick toddler into every nursing home like a grenade.
EDIT: Ok you're not supposed to laugh at your own jokes, but I talked myself into the image of Cuomo pulling the head off a kid and then trying to figure out which end to throw. I'm sorry. I don't know what's wrong with me either.
We need to be careful because I guarantee you they're going to try the NY playbook in Texas...the liberal mayors are already scheming it an Greg is too weak to realize it
Been saying it all along, it's the same as the flu. Even the CDC has claimed a .002 death rate since the end of May, which is on par with a typical flu season. And that's factoring in deaths from non covid shit, that has been labeled covid
MSM is pushing Sweden as a failure because they refused to lock down. This site shows daily deaths of 0-10 a day in Sweden in July. The virus is all but gone from their population. How is that a failure?
They probably had a higher peak, more deaths in a shorter time frame, etc. I haven’t looked at Sweden’s numbers lately.
Either way that’s probably they’re argument. The thing it’s no different here except we’re prolonging the agony. They just let it burn brightly and burn out.
I linked an up to date data set of Sweden's Covid numbers in my post. Also check Zero Hedge for a great article they just released on the subject of Sweden.They were one of the only European countries to have economic growth in the first half of 2020. America is prolonging the agony on purpose to hurt Trump more. To hurt the economy more. To instill more fear. Fear is a valuable currency for those who seek power. Sweden had no desire to harm their economy nor instill fear in the populace.
Mark my words, in a year this will be seen as one of America's greatest mistakes. On par with the Iraq war.
Oh, I'm 100% in agreement on everything there, no doubt. I tell people all the time if Hillary had won, this would have been a news story for two weeks and then disappear. Not a chance in hell they'd harm the economy for her re-election. I'm usually met with an eye roll but that's par for the course.
The long-term impacts of the COVID-19 panic is going to be far worse than we understand right now. And you know the funny thing about it? People dont even see it for the most part cause they are caught up in the weeds of the issue.
The reality is that the biggest impact, other than the economic impact...which is massive, is the complete and utter evisceration of trust in the medical establishment in the country. People played politics with the health of Americans and now every single medical issue, even the valid and worthy ones, will be examined under a political lens.
If you thought the anti-vax/anti-science crowd was a dangerous pain in the ass before then you havent seen nothing yet because Fauci just proved them right. This saddens me deeply because I believe modern medicine was a gift from God to improve the lives of men. Most of what the anti-vax crowd crows about is bullshit pseudo-science. All of the vaccines that we give our children during early childhood are safe, effective, and a net benefit to both individual health and the overall health of the country. They have been used for 40-80 years. Were not guessing when we take them.
But now? Now I "sound like an anti-vax moron" because I dont want to take a rushed as fuck "vaccine" that will probably be little more than snake-oil and with no real testing for major side effects. I will be dead before I willingly allow someone to give it to my children. Not until it is tested and proven.
You should look into the anti-vax stuff and take it a bit more seriously. Probably the best guy to follow, at the moment anyway, is Del Bigtree with the High Wire.
He's not strictly anti-vax, but he is against medical corruption (of which there is much) and pro medical freedom.
In his words he is "politically marooned" because Democrats and Republicans are both pretty bad on this issue. There's a handful on either end that he agrees with or at least cites and has worked with.
He's been pretty on point about our stupid COVID response.
We just found the one guy left from T_D that hasn't flipped and seen the light on this issue.
Protip, if someone uses the term "anti-vax," they don't even realize they are letting the Fake News tell them how to think (with predictable consequences).
My experience with the anti-vax crowd has been admittedly pretty negative. People who refuse basic vaccines like the MMR that is usually given in early childhood are, in my opinion, just not very smart.
Weve been using that vaccine with few changes since 1971. If there were significant issues with it we would have seen it in the last 50 years.
My wife is an ER nurse and shes dealt with so many people who refuse to vaccinate their kids that its appalling. One time she had a family of 3 teenage kids all come in with sever mumps. One lost significant hearing and both boys had severely inflamed testicles and are at risk for decreased fertility.
Its just freaking dumb. We know it works and is safe for the vast majority of people. Maybe there are some side effects to vaccines...but the reality is for the vast majority of people they pale in comparison to the risks of the diseases they prevent.
The infant mortality rate used to be in the 30-40% range for most of human history. Once we discovered and widely used antibiotics in the early 1900s it dropped to under 10%. Once vaccines were widely used in the 60's and 70's it dropped into the single digits. Now its under 1%.
Vaccines have saved more babies than abortions ever killed. Anti-vaxers only survive because of the herd immunity they enjoy from all of the people using vaccines around them. In my state (CO) that is starting to break down. I will never advocate that we need mandatory vaccination (that is evil), but I will advocate for voluntary vaccination and will tell people who refuse that they are foolish and risking the lives of their children for an indefensible belief that has no basis in science.
I figured that out looking at the data for myself. You can go on the CDC website and find it. 2018 I think had more deaths from Flu in a majority of states than Covid + Flu this year.
Fuck the numbers reported by commie blue States. All inflated or brought on by sending covid sick people into nursing homes. That is like releasing pedos on work release at day care centers. Or releasing arsonist on work release at gas station or fireworks factory. Fucking moron Demoncrats.
It means the total number of people that died - for any reason - wasn't significantly higher than the total number of people that died for any reason during previous flu seasons.
Which reminds me of something I was trying to tell people when this started: If 50,000 vulnerable people die from Covid-19, that's 50,000 fewer vulnerable people that will die from flu or pneumonia that otherwise, statistically, would have. It all evens out in the end, and for all this trouble roughly the same amount of people die.
Thank you, that's what I figured by "overall mortality" but wasn't sure since this kind of shit is so buried that it's impossible to get a trustable number. Can't even follow the damn CDC anymore!
Edit: "We avoid looking at the COVID-19 counts, and rather focus on total mortality (by all causes) since this perspective avoids the diagnostic uncertainty of determining the exact cause of death, and does not rely on sampling problems associated with COVID-19 testing or potentially inflated death estimates from the virus."
That's brilliant. Holy shit. It makes me so damn happy when I can find good data with a solid methodology!!
I'm in NJ and I think the numbers are driven up on purpose. Even before we were hearing of cases coming into the country, NJ was taking in people off the cruise ships that had corona. We got some people in from Italy for some giant wedding that spread a lot of cases. And the hospitals are not trained. As soon as you get in, they slap you on a ventilator and kill you. No one's on hydroxychloroquine, patients or doctors/nurses.
Wonder if those numbers are adjusted to take age demographics into account, flu mortality goes up with age so if there is more than the average number of 60+ people in a city or state that would result in a higher than average mortality rate...
Wish it mattered but they are going all in on this. It's either muh second wave boogaloo or pandemic#2 here we come. They've already decided. Not even sure what to do to convince the lemmings. They will find a way to go along with the dem narrative. Shutting down the whole world for nearly an entire year over a relatively weak noval flu is just stupidity of biblical proportions. I still try to wrap my head around the whole thing.
That's cause the people in NYC are not that healthy to begin with. Living in tight quarters most of your life without much trees or plant life. Breathing in sewage air and smoke on a daily basis. No wonder these people died at a higher rate than the rest of the country.
I bet if we put all the people in nursing homes together during the flu season, we could kill a lot more grandmas then too.
"Sorry Grandma, we need you to sacrifice yourself, for us to get that sweet Federal CoronaBuck$."
Gotta afford the diamond plated nipple rings
Bite the rings, little Jimmy!
Run your hands up and down my leg little Jimmy
"It's okay though because you're still social distancing and wearing a mask. And Mrs. Jones needs to borrow your IV machine because she's really come down bad."
Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet!
How come we stopped talking about Gretchen Whitler? She did the same friggin' thing governor nipples did.
So did Tom Wolfe.
All Democrats. Interesting.
It seems she didn't do it as well as Party Tits. Maybe the globalists gave her a lower dead grandparent quota since she's a woman.
Good question. Maybe because she was floated as a VP candidate, but it's almost a certainty Joe will pick a black person. So she gets tossed to the side.
What's eith the nipples reference I'm out of the loop
It’s better to stay out of the loop on this one.
I love disgusting things. From an outsider perspective. Does he have nipple piercings??!
Enjoy his nips
Andrew Cuomo’s nipples take our minds off coronavirus
2 terms 2 scoops 2 nipple pic links!
In front of the cameras with both nipples pierced. Very disrespectful!
Wtf is that lmao thank you
Yes
Strange how nobody has had the balls to ask Cuomo "WHY" he put COVID19 infected into nursing homes. I could only come up with a few reasons, first of which was to jack up the death count to hurt Trump. I also think there was an economic decision there too. By lowering the number of retired workers drawing a pensions by 20,000 (just a random number i came up with), the state of New York would save almost 200 million per month.
Why he did it when hospital ships and field hospitals had been provided......
Here's what I've been able to theorize:
So he's claimed, he had to do it because they needed the hospital beds free. Except hospitals were never actually overwhelmed, the Mercy relief ship never saw more than 1/5th capacity, and numerous field hospitals that were opened at great expense closed several weeks later without seeing a single patient. So there was really no "official" reason at all for him do it.
He also claimed that instructions requiring him to do so were sent by Trump's administration, except no one outside of a handful of Democrat governors apparently interpreted these instructions that way since no one else forced infected patients into nursing homes, and they can't point to what specific guidance mandated they do it.
The real reason was to kill predominantly conservative elderly citizens while simultaneously inflating the death toll to make ORANGE MAN look BAD.
Let’s be realistic, those conservative voters wouldn’t have tipped the scales where NYC or NY would have flipped red. Good thing we have the Electoral College to protect against things like that.
You forget all those states pledging to give their EC votes to the national popular winner.
I don't think they're allowed to do that. I hope I don't come to regret this statement, but out of my list of top 20 election things to worry about, it doesn't make the list.
Earlier, here in Sweden; they said they wouldn't put people above a certain age or part of a vulnerable group into ICUs.
Swedish rightwing media reported that people in nursing homes weren't given ventilators because it was 'too difficult' for the staff to handle, partly because language barriers. Doctors prescribed morphine to the ill to 'ease their passing'. Regular media sucks the government's dicks.
I think they died for economic reasons.
Sweden have shut down schools but I think there wasn't a big shutdown because we couldn't afford it. I feel like the only things that are allowed to cost money is the environment and immigration. Plastic bags in grocery stores are almost 1$ because taxes. In August we'll continue to receive resettled quota refugees from UNHCR who will be settled in areas with low coronavirus numbers. They claim they will be medically screened. Hold my Second Wave.
Sorry for the rant. 🤡🌍
He/his supporters like to say, "He WaS jUsT fOlLoWiNg CDC gUiDeLiNeS!!" but.. if that's the case, why was NY the only state to do it to that extent, and only a couple of states sent any infected patients into nursing homes?!
It was more than a couple of states. New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, New Jersey, etc.
https://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/news/20200501/states-ordered-nursing-homes-to-take-covid-19-residents-thousands-died-how-it-happened
We know about NY/NJ (and CA for a short time) for sure - that article seems to conflate states having nursing home deaths (which we expect) with states mandating they take covid patients causing a higher rate of fatalities in nursing homes.
Nonetheless, it wasn't "CDC Guidelines" they were following, it was state-wide orders.
I've suspected that this may have been the motivation for the nursing home debacle from day one.
This is the question for Cuomo...
This is how the media asks President Trump questions.
It will be cured November 4th.
... and BLM will vanish like a fart in the wind.
Rinse and repeat. CYA BLM in 2024 or maybe 2022.
oof. remind me to prep my stonks for the crash/rebound.
Again.
See ya again, BLM in 2024 when you inevitably and suddenly care about a career criminal dying from fighting the police.
When a felon's not engaged in his employment, Or maturing his felonious little plans. His capacity for innocent enjoyment, Is just as great as any honest man's.
What say there, fussy britches!? Feel like talkin?
Spez: perhaps “this is one big damn conspiracy, and everyone’s in on it!” would have been more fitting.
Fuzzy right? Shit is this one of the Mandela Effect things....
Probably right, fuzzy would make more sense.
I actually thought it was furry originally, Mandela in full effect.
They wont vanish but they will not be promoted by the media and lib govt. so brightly and will be reduced to mockery status as they were set at by these groups before they became a political tool over the arrest of a convicted felon on drugs committing a felony when his over sized heart seized as he had a panic attack exacerbated by the drugs in his system as well as his inability to stop resisting.
Why it gotta be white? Dats raysys. Damn whypeepo.
It will only be cured if Biden wins.
Because they inflated their numbers. Under NY guidelines, George Floyd would have been a Covid19 death.
And Epstein
They're counting folks who aren't even dead yet?
And even then, you did it because you were scared of WuFlu. Suicide by Covid
All of us who died from Net Neutrality actually died from Covid.
Instead of saying this prove it.
I’m a Trump supporter but we on this website need to stop making baseless claims.
Compare the death rate that is normally observed in previous years and look into this years.
Things like cancer, heart attack, stroke should kill the same amount of people every year. You should be able to see the CV effect on those states and then compare it to other states (e.g. California and Florida) and draw assertions.
People should make decisions based on a universal data truth because that’s the only way to get normies to vote Trump. By saying ha ha NY & NJ suck and inflated deaths is a lot easier to attack from the left than look at these graphs... 50k of deaths can be attributed to cuomo’s nursing home decision and whatever else. The left loves bringing up the death rate and attributing it all to Trump so let’s fight back with the same numbers.
I think many deaths were caused by bad medical protocol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn0Bk93R_Tk
Although it is true that death numbers were inflated because they were counting all deaths regardless of cause to COVID if they simple tested positive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9Ci2PZKZg
Facts do not matter to the left. Corruption doesn’t care what we think. Good luck with all that. Prepare yourself and your loved ones for things to get worse and worse. Schools are already being closed forcing families to make harder and harder choices. we are in effect a broken country with major parts of the economy and government ceasing to function. If the country doesn’t lurch hard right in November at the ballot box we are screwed. Welcome to communism.
Yeah we’ll we don’t go out there and convince the moderates, then we’re screwed
If they aren’t smart enough to see what’s coming at this point, then convincing is moot. You can’t fix stupid or communism, you can only deal with it. PR campaign is a little late to the party at this point.
A universal truth is that Cuomo created a “COVID Union” between NY, NJ, CT, PA, MA- where all would follow the same rules and protocols.
Those states account for
more thanalmost half of all COVID deaths in the country. 67k death versus 138k dead nationwide.I'm not disagreeing with you ... but I just wanted to point out that 67/138 < 0.5 so...
Fixed. Thank you.
https://imgur.com/TLs0G61
There you go!
This isn’t exactly what I asked for...
I asked for a delta of deaths that could be due to coronavirus based on previous year rates.
There should be a jump in mortality in every state due to CV.
NY & NJ should have higher rates but if covid truly was a hoax then the mortality rates should be constant across states across years.
This is something you can shove down a LEftys throat.
So these decisions were PUBLIC decisions meaning we have a date
Death rates can also be understood on a week by week basis meaning there’s a moving 7 day moving average death rate that can be compiled for ALL deaths. This can account for all decisions made by public officials... in the data we should see a MUCH higher death rate for cuomos nursing home decision, and this should be shared and cuomo should be made to answer for this policy. He’s blaming Trump because he thinks it’s convenient for his political career but it’s not in Trump’s day to day responsibilities to overrule governors otherwise with 50 states, President Trump’s time would be cut short fast
Now deaths due to non covid based on previous years can be removed, the reason you don’t want to to use this years death rate is, as assumed by many of our members here, ANY death was labelled COVID, so we have to normalize our data based on last years deaths
Especially now with states like Texas and Florida that have competent leadership, death rates should be lower... we should not see any increase in the death rate, especially amongst those less than 60 years of age
Now compare areas with masks with areas with no masks. Now unlike what seems like the majority of this forum, I think masks will have an effect but we can prove this by looking at the data. Now if people are wearing masks, does that mean they’re more stringent with social distancing? Confounding variables such as these would not be incorporated into the analysis BUT as mentioned by people on this forum, COVID is just the flu so let’s see the data
Not day by day, but month by month for sure you can.
Because Cuomo put people who had Covid into nursing homes.
If it weren’t for Cuomo, numbers would be much lower. Sabotage.
And he still jerks himself off, with help from the media, about his response.
He literally had the worst response in the world to this thing.
Democrats: "Cuomo is the president we need, not Trump who has bungled his coronavirus response!"
Meanwhile, NY has the highest death rate and numbers of infected by far in the entire nation.
Democrats are known to masturbate to miserable failures.
He didn't accomplish it alone. Hospitals, nurses, caregivers (remember punching covid guy Trump tweeted?) and countless others turned a blind eye to mandated executions. Just following orders did a lot more damage than allowing them it to actually take place. I'm shocked not one person has sued a nursing home or hospital yet.
I'm fairly sure that Janice Dean from Fox News is going to file suit. She lost both her inlaws due to Cuomo placing infected in the faciliity where they lived.
This part drives me nuts. I want to see data using real numbers. Not assumed numbers.
Turns out, when you force sick people to become roommates with elderly people and then lock down their facility, everyone gets sick.
Who would have thought??
The Trannie PA Health director seems to have grasped that concept well enough zhe got xir own mother out of a nursing home right before it issued the order shoving covid people into nursing homes. Sorry for the pronouns, I'm not fluent in 'Freak'.
I'll say it.
Cuomo murdered old people because old people are generally more conservative.
and it saves money paying all their pensions.
Take out the nursing home killing Fields and would be the same as a bad flu season.
Fearmongers: "But if we include New York and New Jersey WE'RE ALL DEAD REEEEEEEEEEE!!!"
I keep feeling the need to vent about people who do not see the forest from the trees. They see an outbreak here or ONE person who recovered but sustained permanent physical ailments there; and because the chance of it happening to somebody else is greater than zero or 0.01% or even 0.1%, we need to completely change our lifestyles. They purposefully pick the numbers that make the death rate and injury rate and infection rate as high as possible, and then talk us down or call us anti-science when we present other data to them. "Oh that was back in May, that's obsolete now!" "We didn't know how masks interact with viruses until a few months ago...it was one of the damnedest scientific mysteries of our time before that!"
Everyday is year 0 in a revolution
True; the calendar was literally changed during the French Revolution for example. (Though technically they called it year 1)
That wasn't taught at my school. It should have been; it was a very teachable moment.
Enjoy the rest of Messidor 29th!
If they reported in grisly detail the long term medical problems from people hospitalized with flu it would be just as ugly. Flu is no joke, but it is part of life. My friend got Covid, said she recovered fine and it was no big deal. Most people are fine, but we get newspaper sob stories of the ones who are not. Last year 2 teenagers died in our state from confirmed flu, zero covid teenager deaths
Didn't Pennsylvania and a couple other states also pull a Cuomo and send known cases to old folks homes? What happens if we remove all those states with that policy?
What kind of shit study wouldn't include them?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/05/15/state-official-requires-nursing-homes-to-admit-covidpositive-residents-then-moves-own-mother-out-of-similar-facility-n2568874
I think they sent them to the Amish.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/05/15/state-official-requires-nursing-homes-to-admit-covidpositive-residents-then-moves-own-mother-out-of-similar-facility-n2568874
The referenced document doesn't contain the excerpts cited in the Gateway Pundit. Hopefully, we will see the version of the report that GP cites. That would be very helpful.
This dude asking the REAL questions. Why are sources so obscure in much of what is reported?
Gateway Pundit writes stories about the tweets he makes, and then tweets about the story he wrote. He's a literal self-circle-jerk.
Flu looks pretty bad when you murder a bunch of old people and mark it "flu"
The latest talking point I hear from leftie friends is that we still don’t know what underlying conditions could happen to anyone catching it. Sure, you will deal with it for two weeks and maybe without symptoms, but we don’t know if it won’t permanently damage your lungs or heart and you will be weakened!
Yep. Twatter idiots salivating over that "fact" today. NPC programming has been updated so they have a comeback to why we should care about rising cases when the death toll is falling.
Probably should focus on therapeutic treatments like hydroxychloroquine/zinc combo, or budesonide in a nebulizer. Both proven effective treatments, both safe for literally everyone (gotta dose it properly, obv, not do what they did with hcq and murder people with doses 4 times too high), and both generic. We have a cure. That's the answer to anyone who bitches by muh long term effects. Give them the cure and we're done. But this is, and always has been, about orangemanbad, control, and bringing about the new world order.
Ok, remember the ground glass damage in lungs? I looked it up and hospitalization for flu does that too as well as a number of other illnesses. They reported it like it had never happened before. The extreme immune response? Happens with other illnesses too.
Yeah a little over 2k deaths here in AZ.
Our fucking drivers are scarier than this coronavirus shit. Between all the illegals who don’t give a fuck, the wrong way driver problem no one can explain, and out of towners, over 100k AZ drivers had their car insurance rate raised in June.
Wrong way driver problem?
Yeah. No one can explain it but we have a terrible problem with people driving the wrong fucking way on our freeways. It’s gotten so bad it doesn’t make the news anymore and all we get is a “WARNING WRONG WAY DRIVER” on those LED billboards.
Crazy. I've never been to AZ, but pictures make it look like it has lots of stretches of flat sameness. Do you think people get confused by lack of landmarks?
Nope, old and spaced out. We have had young ones. In some places we have ambiguous signage
We have those wrong way drivers here in Utah too, what is with that?
New York leads the way!
What study is he referencing? I can't find a link to the actual study on the page. Every link he has just takes me to an older article of his but none take me to the actual study.
It's really a shit site.
I did a video on this. The 5 DEMOCRAT states which forced sick patients to go back to the nursing homes are about 33% of the country's population but have caused 51% of all deaths
Which states are those?
New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Pennsylvania and California. California left it up to individual counties.
If they didn't enact that policy which directly contradicted EVERY major healthcare recommendation the number of deaths would be 40k lower.
New York, New Jersey, Michigan, New York and Pennsylvania.
And you could probably reproduce the results if you didn't vaccinate and dropped a sick toddler into every nursing home like a grenade.
EDIT: Ok you're not supposed to laugh at your own jokes, but I talked myself into the image of Cuomo pulling the head off a kid and then trying to figure out which end to throw. I'm sorry. I don't know what's wrong with me either.
We need to be careful because I guarantee you they're going to try the NY playbook in Texas...the liberal mayors are already scheming it an Greg is too weak to realize it
Been saying it all along, it's the same as the flu. Even the CDC has claimed a .002 death rate since the end of May, which is on par with a typical flu season. And that's factoring in deaths from non covid shit, that has been labeled covid
well, maybe they just need to copy the Cuomo playbook and start using nursing homes as ICU surge capacity
Some might even say
exactly the same.
MSM is pushing Sweden as a failure because they refused to lock down. This site shows daily deaths of 0-10 a day in Sweden in July. The virus is all but gone from their population. How is that a failure?
They probably had a higher peak, more deaths in a shorter time frame, etc. I haven’t looked at Sweden’s numbers lately.
Either way that’s probably they’re argument. The thing it’s no different here except we’re prolonging the agony. They just let it burn brightly and burn out.
I linked an up to date data set of Sweden's Covid numbers in my post. Also check Zero Hedge for a great article they just released on the subject of Sweden.They were one of the only European countries to have economic growth in the first half of 2020. America is prolonging the agony on purpose to hurt Trump more. To hurt the economy more. To instill more fear. Fear is a valuable currency for those who seek power. Sweden had no desire to harm their economy nor instill fear in the populace.
Mark my words, in a year this will be seen as one of America's greatest mistakes. On par with the Iraq war.
Oh, I'm 100% in agreement on everything there, no doubt. I tell people all the time if Hillary had won, this would have been a news story for two weeks and then disappear. Not a chance in hell they'd harm the economy for her re-election. I'm usually met with an eye roll but that's par for the course.
I wonder what would happen during the average flu season if we took our worst cases and stuck them in nursing homes.
Thanks Cuomo!
And that’s with NJ artificially inflating the Covid death count too...
It would have been less, without the New York nursing home- forced genocide,
Well duh.
The long-term impacts of the COVID-19 panic is going to be far worse than we understand right now. And you know the funny thing about it? People dont even see it for the most part cause they are caught up in the weeds of the issue.
The reality is that the biggest impact, other than the economic impact...which is massive, is the complete and utter evisceration of trust in the medical establishment in the country. People played politics with the health of Americans and now every single medical issue, even the valid and worthy ones, will be examined under a political lens.
If you thought the anti-vax/anti-science crowd was a dangerous pain in the ass before then you havent seen nothing yet because Fauci just proved them right. This saddens me deeply because I believe modern medicine was a gift from God to improve the lives of men. Most of what the anti-vax crowd crows about is bullshit pseudo-science. All of the vaccines that we give our children during early childhood are safe, effective, and a net benefit to both individual health and the overall health of the country. They have been used for 40-80 years. Were not guessing when we take them.
But now? Now I "sound like an anti-vax moron" because I dont want to take a rushed as fuck "vaccine" that will probably be little more than snake-oil and with no real testing for major side effects. I will be dead before I willingly allow someone to give it to my children. Not until it is tested and proven.
The left is destroying medicine and science.
You should look into the anti-vax stuff and take it a bit more seriously. Probably the best guy to follow, at the moment anyway, is Del Bigtree with the High Wire.
He's not strictly anti-vax, but he is against medical corruption (of which there is much) and pro medical freedom.
In his words he is "politically marooned" because Democrats and Republicans are both pretty bad on this issue. There's a handful on either end that he agrees with or at least cites and has worked with.
He's been pretty on point about our stupid COVID response.
We just found the one guy left from T_D that hasn't flipped and seen the light on this issue.
Protip, if someone uses the term "anti-vax," they don't even realize they are letting the Fake News tell them how to think (with predictable consequences).
My experience with the anti-vax crowd has been admittedly pretty negative. People who refuse basic vaccines like the MMR that is usually given in early childhood are, in my opinion, just not very smart.
Weve been using that vaccine with few changes since 1971. If there were significant issues with it we would have seen it in the last 50 years.
My wife is an ER nurse and shes dealt with so many people who refuse to vaccinate their kids that its appalling. One time she had a family of 3 teenage kids all come in with sever mumps. One lost significant hearing and both boys had severely inflamed testicles and are at risk for decreased fertility.
Its just freaking dumb. We know it works and is safe for the vast majority of people. Maybe there are some side effects to vaccines...but the reality is for the vast majority of people they pale in comparison to the risks of the diseases they prevent.
Try this on for size: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041693/united-states-all-time-child-mortality-rate/
The infant mortality rate used to be in the 30-40% range for most of human history. Once we discovered and widely used antibiotics in the early 1900s it dropped to under 10%. Once vaccines were widely used in the 60's and 70's it dropped into the single digits. Now its under 1%.
Vaccines have saved more babies than abortions ever killed. Anti-vaxers only survive because of the herd immunity they enjoy from all of the people using vaccines around them. In my state (CO) that is starting to break down. I will never advocate that we need mandatory vaccination (that is evil), but I will advocate for voluntary vaccination and will tell people who refuse that they are foolish and risking the lives of their children for an indefensible belief that has no basis in science.
I guess the lesson is 'don't name your state New Something'
We knew this (Or at least I did) from the beginning.
I figured that out looking at the data for myself. You can go on the CDC website and find it. 2018 I think had more deaths from Flu in a majority of states than Covid + Flu this year.
With the exception of places where Democrat governors forced infected patients into nursing homes, the mortality rate has been nothing remarkable.
Fuck the numbers reported by commie blue States. All inflated or brought on by sending covid sick people into nursing homes. That is like releasing pedos on work release at day care centers. Or releasing arsonist on work release at gas station or fireworks factory. Fucking moron Demoncrats.
Clarification question:
Does the comparison mean that COVID itself is doubling the flu death numbers?
i.e.
COVID deaths = Regular flu deaths so the total is doubled?
OR
Is the totality of COVID + Flu deaths not much different?
Those are two very different scenarios.
It means the total number of people that died - for any reason - wasn't significantly higher than the total number of people that died for any reason during previous flu seasons.
Which reminds me of something I was trying to tell people when this started: If 50,000 vulnerable people die from Covid-19, that's 50,000 fewer vulnerable people that will die from flu or pneumonia that otherwise, statistically, would have. It all evens out in the end, and for all this trouble roughly the same amount of people die.
Thank you, that's what I figured by "overall mortality" but wasn't sure since this kind of shit is so buried that it's impossible to get a trustable number. Can't even follow the damn CDC anymore!
Edit: "We avoid looking at the COVID-19 counts, and rather focus on total mortality (by all causes) since this perspective avoids the diagnostic uncertainty of determining the exact cause of death, and does not rely on sampling problems associated with COVID-19 testing or potentially inflated death estimates from the virus."
That's brilliant. Holy shit. It makes me so damn happy when I can find good data with a solid methodology!!
I'm in NJ and I think the numbers are driven up on purpose. Even before we were hearing of cases coming into the country, NJ was taking in people off the cruise ships that had corona. We got some people in from Italy for some giant wedding that spread a lot of cases. And the hospitals are not trained. As soon as you get in, they slap you on a ventilator and kill you. No one's on hydroxychloroquine, patients or doctors/nurses.
Anyone got those images from TGP that arent blurry? That state list is blurry as hell or I'm developing cadillacs in my eyes! (I know what I said)
Wonder if those numbers are adjusted to take age demographics into account, flu mortality goes up with age so if there is more than the average number of 60+ people in a city or state that would result in a higher than average mortality rate...
And NY would be same as flu season too if Cuomo didn't intentionally infect the nursing homes.
WHITE SUPREMACY rEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Amazingly, I knew this without the data. I believe many humans knew.
Wish it mattered but they are going all in on this. It's either muh second wave boogaloo or pandemic#2 here we come. They've already decided. Not even sure what to do to convince the lemmings. They will find a way to go along with the dem narrative. Shutting down the whole world for nearly an entire year over a relatively weak noval flu is just stupidity of biblical proportions. I still try to wrap my head around the whole thing.
We must en mass show an act of defiance and gather and party in front of state and city capital buildings.
The Left should be fine with putting him down cause he had dementia
That's cause the people in NYC are not that healthy to begin with. Living in tight quarters most of your life without much trees or plant life. Breathing in sewage air and smoke on a daily basis. No wonder these people died at a higher rate than the rest of the country.
New york killed people on purpose. Jersey is a victim because of the proximity to New York.