For me, it has to do with the things that come from your face being held in. Cloth masks do nothing but keep you from coughing in someone's face. I can handle that myself, thank you.
Masks are a joke if a bandana is a valid substitute.
But... that's not it, it's not just about coughing, whenever you breathe you release particles when you are sick, same with you breathing from your nose, which is why you have to cover both the mouth and the nose.
Bandana isn't a valid substitute either, the CDC has recommended cloth as a substitute due to in the first few months of the pandemic masks being impossible to get. Is it as effective as a mask? Absolutely not. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely yes.
I didn't feel like giving out a detailed explanation, so I guess thank you for that.
As far as a bandana being a valid substitute, all of the mask mandates say that it is.
edit Just wondering your take on this: If this disease is so infectious that a mask is needed, why are the tests performed the way they are? You figure that they could take a mouth swap, or conduct it like any other viral test...instead of having to basically touch the blood/brain barrier.
Blood-brain barrier is one of the easiest ways to confirm as other methods are not accurate yet. You see this often with new tests and experimental drugs, the area of effect is always blood-brain barrier as it is easy to target and conclusive.
But if it is so infectious, how can the other ways not be accurate. Even a blood test would allow you to know if you have the antibodies. I can live without the brain spear.
It's not that other methods are not accurate, it's that the tests are not accurate. For something to be accurate you have to develop a test, blood-brain barrier is easier to develop therefore it already exists, mouth method will obviously come at a later time, but there are already companies testing that method. Do you think blood culture tests were accurate from the start? No, somebody developed it and made it accurate which is why it is in use.
"Is it as effective as a mask? Absolutely not. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely yes."
Your writing style is pretentious and annoying. If you have to ask leading questions and then answer your own question qualified with "absolutely" to make your argument then you have no arguement.
Have never said it is a Flu virus, the flu is caused by an influenza virus which come from a completely different class than coronavirus, COVID-19 is really an evolved SARS virus from 2002. Again nowhere near the Flu or Influenza virus.
Who said anything about Bill Gates? You are acting like there is literally no other company developing a vaccine other than Bill Gates, our own CDC is even trying to develop.
You in parentheses put (Hint: it's not a flu virus), which would logically in a conversation imply that you believe I am comparing it to Influenza when I am not. Successful vaccines for COVID are currently 0, but that is going to change as all companies are focused on that.
LMAO, how the fuck did I not answer it. Please slow it down for a retard like me and ask simpler since I am so stupid and such a sheep for wearing a mask when GEOTUS and CDC both say to wear one.
Here is a list of a good amount of viral vaccines that DO work. Smallpox is completely eradicated from the world due to it, so how can you say antiviral vaccines don't work?
Jeez okay, do you know why HIV is so dangerous and different from other viruses? It binds to your white cells which are then incapable of killing them and instead kill each other trying to fight it off. COVID, Influenza, Smallpox and others do not bind with your T cells. That is why there is still no HIV vaccine, it is possible but with treatment research has slowed down unfortunately.
Okay so as someone who has background in research, majority of these are not peer-reviewed studies. Most are also too recent and have not had confirmation by people repeating these studies.
That is exactly what it is, a slippery slope. Have you heard of a philosophical argument concept called "the slippery slope fallacy"? Since when are masks and vaccines bad? Has there been any evidence that chips are going to be implanted in you? Do you really think POTUS will let that happen?
I'm not even pro LGBT rights and especially not pro trans rights as that shit is pure autism. Why are you bringing up LGBT rights which has nothing to do with my question, you are trying to use a straw man argument. So again, being on the side of science means I'm a leftist?
Let's say our CDC and GEOTUS say there is a 5% less chance of you getting it or giving it. Will you wear it? I think it would be the more patriotic thing to actually wear a mask and make sure you and other citizens do not get sick. To support a country you have to support the citizens.
So again, GEOTUS says to wear a mask, will that lead him to be an authoritarian leader?
The number of deaths is still not determined first of all, second of all, NOW there is research showing that people have a post-viral syndrome where they cant smell or taste things still, have brain fog, fatigue, etc. So even if you survive, those symptoms are okay with you?
I literally voted for Trump lmao. So if I disagree about masks I should be banned? Like what kind of a echo chamber do you want this website to be? lol
I agree, except your choice for not wearing a mask can put others in danger as well though, so what do we do about that? Texas and Florida are having record numbers every day because of this.
America is the land of individual rights, not what is good for everyone. There are 1000s of infectious diseases that have a higher mortality rate than this. Why wear masks for just this one? Why not for everything else?
What science exactly? That word seems to be used more and more as an all encompassing, unquestionable statement that needs no verification. Even the CDC website doesn’t have any conclusive scientific data that mask actually do prevent covid, it only says “it may.” So what science are you substantiating that stance with? Or are you just going by what the talking heads are telling you? Show me a study that proves the efficacy of masks and we can go from there, I don’t mind changing my position based on facts. Show it to me first but don’t just say science. There’s a lot of junk science out there.
I don't know if it's a lack of teaching what science is and isn't or if people just forget and start repeating the media falsehoods that make everyone think that "science" is the same as "fact".
Even POTUS has said to wear a mask and follow guidelines recently. CDC website does have conclusive evidence at the bottom showing that masks DO help based on the studies they provide. They use the word "may" due to the fact that we barely know anything about COVID19 to this day. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
Are you here to learn something, or to pick a fight? Because you're not acting like someone who has sincere questions; you're acting like someone who just wants to argue.
Put it this way, if it were as bad as they say, we wouldn't have seen it being politicized from the beginning. The data, tests, nursing homes, ID2020, GLOBAL RESET - it's the Cheney Bush Clinton old order wanting to create a new order and maintain control. Either you say no or you give in and go with Marxists policy. Having healthcare used as a political weapon is dangerous ground.
And, "science" has NOT proven it inhibits spread of this disease. Cloth face coverings are damp and filthy with all day wear by the general public who are constantly touching faces to adjust.
Because oxygen levels and hot sun. The death rate is less than the flu. Did people demand masks then? No. Don't be a sheep. They want masks because they want you to feat an illusion. Mail in ballots.
It is a tool of those in power to sow distrust in your fellow man. You can’t see their facial expressions, and you assume they are sick, and may infect you. This, as well as “social distancing” is a very eerie premise, and i won’t be subject to the dehumanization.
It’s a tool used to keep fear, even if subconscious, in your mind. If you see an entire room full of mask wearing people, you will, if only subconsciously, believe there is danger every time you go outside.
That fear can do wonders for controlling populations, along with the sense of distrust.
If I saw people dying in the streets and death everywhere, I’d be more apt to do it, but the death rate and average age of death lead me to believe that the social risks of wearing it are greater than the physical ones.
Because they are so perfectly representative of the neo-marxist authoritarian jihad...
...something that is proven to damage the physical and metal well-being everyone around you, yet forcefully mandated in the name of ’safety and responsibility’ using politically-motivated anti-scientific ‘consensus’, collectivist justifications, undemocratic government-enforced edicts, self-righteous elitist sloganeering, and media-induced violent hysteria.
Because it literally does not stop the spread of the disease. It stops people from spitting on each other, which would be the same effect distancing has. We all learned how to cover our mouths when we cough and sneeze at very young ages, as well as basic hygiene unless you were raised by animals. If you would like a system that would in fact protect you from a communicable disease, please see the biopak 60p here: https://www.warcollectiblesforsale1771.com/searches/oxygen-rebreather-.html
Because masks don't work (If they do, why are cases in mandatory mask states on the rise?) 1) The virus is too small to be captured in anything but an N95, but we're all running around in cut up t-shirts as if that does something. 2) We're being forced to wear masks that don't work by people with political agendas who don't understand science. 3) The death rate (not straight number) is nothing, and becoming more nothing with each passing day. The ignorant amongst us credit masks for that fortunate circumstance, but there is no evidence that masks are the reason. Correlation does not equal causation. TL;DR: We the people are being forced by morons with agendas to cover our faces with old t-shirts that do nothing for absolutely no scientifically justifiable reason.
The CDC gets funded $billions per year to test and determine the effectiveness of of preventative strategies- including masks..... The fact that there are still multiple questions and contrary studies about their efficacy along with the Fauci flip-flops himself on masks needing to be worn brings lots of controversy.....if masks were sooo important in pandemics why wasn't Fauci sounding the alarm for the previous 3 years about the depleted state of strategic levels of masks
I can't speak for that part since I wear a mask. It's not a big deal. The only real hassle is having anons on the internet call me names. BFD.
But there's no "proven" science (science doesn't actually prove anything - which is sort of a separate matter) showing the efficacy of the masks. Studies fall on both sides so far.
CDC and GEOTUS have said to wear a mask, science and scientists are pretty much conclusive on this topic, masks DO work. If they don't what is even the harm? What's the worst that will happen when you wear one, you have less chance of dying and so do others around you?
Voluntary masks are different from mask mandates. My body my choice.
For me, it has to do with the things that come from your face being held in. Cloth masks do nothing but keep you from coughing in someone's face. I can handle that myself, thank you.
Masks are a joke if a bandana is a valid substitute.
But... that's not it, it's not just about coughing, whenever you breathe you release particles when you are sick, same with you breathing from your nose, which is why you have to cover both the mouth and the nose.
Bandana isn't a valid substitute either, the CDC has recommended cloth as a substitute due to in the first few months of the pandemic masks being impossible to get. Is it as effective as a mask? Absolutely not. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely yes.
I didn't feel like giving out a detailed explanation, so I guess thank you for that.
As far as a bandana being a valid substitute, all of the mask mandates say that it is.
edit Just wondering your take on this: If this disease is so infectious that a mask is needed, why are the tests performed the way they are? You figure that they could take a mouth swap, or conduct it like any other viral test...instead of having to basically touch the blood/brain barrier.
Blood-brain barrier is one of the easiest ways to confirm as other methods are not accurate yet. You see this often with new tests and experimental drugs, the area of effect is always blood-brain barrier as it is easy to target and conclusive.
But if it is so infectious, how can the other ways not be accurate. Even a blood test would allow you to know if you have the antibodies. I can live without the brain spear.
It's not that other methods are not accurate, it's that the tests are not accurate. For something to be accurate you have to develop a test, blood-brain barrier is easier to develop therefore it already exists, mouth method will obviously come at a later time, but there are already companies testing that method. Do you think blood culture tests were accurate from the start? No, somebody developed it and made it accurate which is why it is in use.
"Is it as effective as a mask? Absolutely not. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely yes."
Your writing style is pretentious and annoying. If you have to ask leading questions and then answer your own question qualified with "absolutely" to make your argument then you have no arguement.
It's just a chip. Accept the mark of the beast, bigot!
So we are against vaccines now? Since when? I have been on the subreddit since it's beginning days and never knew there were so many antivaxxers
Have never said it is a Flu virus, the flu is caused by an influenza virus which come from a completely different class than coronavirus, COVID-19 is really an evolved SARS virus from 2002. Again nowhere near the Flu or Influenza virus.
Who said anything about Bill Gates? You are acting like there is literally no other company developing a vaccine other than Bill Gates, our own CDC is even trying to develop.
You in parentheses put (Hint: it's not a flu virus), which would logically in a conversation imply that you believe I am comparing it to Influenza when I am not. Successful vaccines for COVID are currently 0, but that is going to change as all companies are focused on that.
LMAO, how the fuck did I not answer it. Please slow it down for a retard like me and ask simpler since I am so stupid and such a sheep for wearing a mask when GEOTUS and CDC both say to wear one.
Here is a list of a good amount of viral vaccines that DO work. Smallpox is completely eradicated from the world due to it, so how can you say antiviral vaccines don't work?
Jeez okay, do you know why HIV is so dangerous and different from other viruses? It binds to your white cells which are then incapable of killing them and instead kill each other trying to fight it off. COVID, Influenza, Smallpox and others do not bind with your T cells. That is why there is still no HIV vaccine, it is possible but with treatment research has slowed down unfortunately.
Okay so as someone who has background in research, majority of these are not peer-reviewed studies. Most are also too recent and have not had confirmation by people repeating these studies.
Our own CDC recommends wearing masks and has even listed multiple studies on how they do work, albeit just like yours, a lot of them are too new with no peer review. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
That is exactly what it is, a slippery slope. Have you heard of a philosophical argument concept called "the slippery slope fallacy"? Since when are masks and vaccines bad? Has there been any evidence that chips are going to be implanted in you? Do you really think POTUS will let that happen?
I'm not even pro LGBT rights and especially not pro trans rights as that shit is pure autism. Why are you bringing up LGBT rights which has nothing to do with my question, you are trying to use a straw man argument. So again, being on the side of science means I'm a leftist?
Let's say our CDC and GEOTUS say there is a 5% less chance of you getting it or giving it. Will you wear it? I think it would be the more patriotic thing to actually wear a mask and make sure you and other citizens do not get sick. To support a country you have to support the citizens.
and BTW, GEOTUS did say to wear a mask.
So again, GEOTUS says to wear a mask, will that lead him to be an authoritarian leader?
The number of deaths is still not determined first of all, second of all, NOW there is research showing that people have a post-viral syndrome where they cant smell or taste things still, have brain fog, fatigue, etc. So even if you survive, those symptoms are okay with you?
done.
Eh, I wasn’t sure but the comment about “cases” and use of “literally” gave it away.
I literally voted for Trump lmao. So if I disagree about masks I should be banned? Like what kind of a echo chamber do you want this website to be? lol
“I literally” .... sure you did.
Lmao apparently saying "literally" makes someone a libtard. Logic.
I agree, except your choice for not wearing a mask can put others in danger as well though, so what do we do about that? Texas and Florida are having record numbers every day because of this.
America is the land of individual rights, not what is good for everyone. There are 1000s of infectious diseases that have a higher mortality rate than this. Why wear masks for just this one? Why not for everything else?
What science exactly? That word seems to be used more and more as an all encompassing, unquestionable statement that needs no verification. Even the CDC website doesn’t have any conclusive scientific data that mask actually do prevent covid, it only says “it may.” So what science are you substantiating that stance with? Or are you just going by what the talking heads are telling you? Show me a study that proves the efficacy of masks and we can go from there, I don’t mind changing my position based on facts. Show it to me first but don’t just say science. There’s a lot of junk science out there.
I don't know if it's a lack of teaching what science is and isn't or if people just forget and start repeating the media falsehoods that make everyone think that "science" is the same as "fact".
Even POTUS has said to wear a mask and follow guidelines recently. CDC website does have conclusive evidence at the bottom showing that masks DO help based on the studies they provide. They use the word "may" due to the fact that we barely know anything about COVID19 to this day. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
Are you here to learn something, or to pick a fight? Because you're not acting like someone who has sincere questions; you're acting like someone who just wants to argue.
Put it this way, if it were as bad as they say, we wouldn't have seen it being politicized from the beginning. The data, tests, nursing homes, ID2020, GLOBAL RESET - it's the Cheney Bush Clinton old order wanting to create a new order and maintain control. Either you say no or you give in and go with Marxists policy. Having healthcare used as a political weapon is dangerous ground.
I dealt with this type of scenario per my job in the military. The masks don't help, bud.
And, "science" has NOT proven it inhibits spread of this disease. Cloth face coverings are damp and filthy with all day wear by the general public who are constantly touching faces to adjust.
Because oxygen levels and hot sun. The death rate is less than the flu. Did people demand masks then? No. Don't be a sheep. They want masks because they want you to feat an illusion. Mail in ballots.
The mask is dehumanizing
It is a tool of those in power to sow distrust in your fellow man. You can’t see their facial expressions, and you assume they are sick, and may infect you. This, as well as “social distancing” is a very eerie premise, and i won’t be subject to the dehumanization.
It’s a tool used to keep fear, even if subconscious, in your mind. If you see an entire room full of mask wearing people, you will, if only subconsciously, believe there is danger every time you go outside.
That fear can do wonders for controlling populations, along with the sense of distrust.
If I saw people dying in the streets and death everywhere, I’d be more apt to do it, but the death rate and average age of death lead me to believe that the social risks of wearing it are greater than the physical ones.
Because they are so perfectly representative of the neo-marxist authoritarian jihad...
...something that is proven to damage the physical and metal well-being everyone around you, yet forcefully mandated in the name of ’safety and responsibility’ using politically-motivated anti-scientific ‘consensus’, collectivist justifications, undemocratic government-enforced edicts, self-righteous elitist sloganeering, and media-induced violent hysteria.
Because it literally does not stop the spread of the disease. It stops people from spitting on each other, which would be the same effect distancing has. We all learned how to cover our mouths when we cough and sneeze at very young ages, as well as basic hygiene unless you were raised by animals. If you would like a system that would in fact protect you from a communicable disease, please see the biopak 60p here: https://www.warcollectiblesforsale1771.com/searches/oxygen-rebreather-.html
Because masks don't work (If they do, why are cases in mandatory mask states on the rise?) 1) The virus is too small to be captured in anything but an N95, but we're all running around in cut up t-shirts as if that does something. 2) We're being forced to wear masks that don't work by people with political agendas who don't understand science. 3) The death rate (not straight number) is nothing, and becoming more nothing with each passing day. The ignorant amongst us credit masks for that fortunate circumstance, but there is no evidence that masks are the reason. Correlation does not equal causation. TL;DR: We the people are being forced by morons with agendas to cover our faces with old t-shirts that do nothing for absolutely no scientifically justifiable reason.
The CDC gets funded $billions per year to test and determine the effectiveness of of preventative strategies- including masks..... The fact that there are still multiple questions and contrary studies about their efficacy along with the Fauci flip-flops himself on masks needing to be worn brings lots of controversy.....if masks were sooo important in pandemics why wasn't Fauci sounding the alarm for the previous 3 years about the depleted state of strategic levels of masks
I can't speak for that part since I wear a mask. It's not a big deal. The only real hassle is having anons on the internet call me names. BFD.
But there's no "proven" science (science doesn't actually prove anything - which is sort of a separate matter) showing the efficacy of the masks. Studies fall on both sides so far.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
CDC and GEOTUS have said to wear a mask, science and scientists are pretty much conclusive on this topic, masks DO work. If they don't what is even the harm? What's the worst that will happen when you wear one, you have less chance of dying and so do others around you?
Did you even read what I said? For someone who claimed to just be asking questions, you really seem to have an axe to grind.