They don't care about the data. If they did, we wouldn't even be in this situation.
My mother is a TDS hard core liberal. I absolutely nuked her bullshit white privilege argument from orbit with crime statistics, cited sources and FBI/DOJ records and statistics.
I showed her how a black kid with the same grades as a white kid is more likely to get scholarships from college. How systemic racism in todays age does not exist by definition (there are no laws saying X minority can't do Y). How 9% of the black population commits around 50% of the homicides in this country, cops are more likely to shoot unarmed white men than unarmed black men and 20,000 more white woman are raped by black men than the opposite every year.
"I'm sorry, I just choose not to believe in hate. You don't get to school me with your facts. My opinion differs from yours."
She's brilliant in every other way. She's kind, loving, iron willed, stalwart, knows how to do more with her hands than any two parents put together.
But on politics, she just does this absolute nose dive. She's the one who taught me to think how I do, so when I show data, statistics and cited sources and she flippantly dismisses them and doubles down on her indoctrination, it's infuriating.
It's frustrating and insulting. That's what it's like to have a lib mother when talking politics.
We just stick to the weather and family now.
Anyway, here's quite a dump. Some of the statistics are highlighted in specific tables, others you'll have to hunt for yourself. Some of the notions I mentioned don't even need much scrutiny, like black admissions to college. It's almost impossible to find honest reporting on the subject, but in the collective mental furniture of people: they know there's tons of black only colleges, they know there's affirmative action and they know racial scholarships are more likely to benefit black students. White and especially asian kids have to get in on merit alone, and those are the families that are often paying exorbitant rates to offset the scholarships colleges give out to minorities. Still, I have included some sources and interesting links.
Best of luck with your arguments. I find that no matter how prepared I am, the results are the same when dealing with TDS liberals. You'd be better off teaching tricks to a pig.
I think there is nevertheless a need to keep rebutting liberals even if you can't convince them rather than to resign yourself that they won't understand and stay silent. First, a lot of the ignorance flourishes because people post this kind of stuff to virtue signal to their echo chamber thinking (mostly correctly) that they will just get pats on the back from others. Constantly haranguing them undermines their motives and should result in less BS from them over time. Second, people out there susceptible to reason as well as unformed minds looking for a place to belong need to see facts and logic and the people who stand by them. You are speaking past your mother and having an impact on others whether you realize it or not.
They don't care about the data. If they did, we wouldn't even be in this situation.
My mother is a TDS hard core liberal. I absolutely nuked her bullshit white privilege argument from orbit with crime statistics, cited sources and FBI/DOJ records and statistics.
I showed her how a black kid with the same grades as a white kid is more likely to get scholarships from college. How systemic racism in todays age does not exist by definition (there are no laws saying X minority can't do Y). How 9% of the black population commits around 50% of the homicides in this country, cops are more likely to shoot unarmed white men than unarmed black men and 20,000 more white woman are raped by black men than the opposite every year.
"I'm sorry, I just choose not to believe in hate. You don't get to school me with your facts. My opinion differs from yours."
You cannot convince them. They are gone.
Can you link me some of those statistics so I can send them to my TDS friends as well? I can’t imagine what it’s like having a Lib mother
She's brilliant in every other way. She's kind, loving, iron willed, stalwart, knows how to do more with her hands than any two parents put together.
But on politics, she just does this absolute nose dive. She's the one who taught me to think how I do, so when I show data, statistics and cited sources and she flippantly dismisses them and doubles down on her indoctrination, it's infuriating.
It's frustrating and insulting. That's what it's like to have a lib mother when talking politics.
We just stick to the weather and family now.
Anyway, here's quite a dump. Some of the statistics are highlighted in specific tables, others you'll have to hunt for yourself. Some of the notions I mentioned don't even need much scrutiny, like black admissions to college. It's almost impossible to find honest reporting on the subject, but in the collective mental furniture of people: they know there's tons of black only colleges, they know there's affirmative action and they know racial scholarships are more likely to benefit black students. White and especially asian kids have to get in on merit alone, and those are the families that are often paying exorbitant rates to offset the scholarships colleges give out to minorities. Still, I have included some sources and interesting links.
Crime:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-14
https://www.amren.com/news/2019/11/black-on-white-crime-racism-murder-rape/
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf
Schooling:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cpb.pdf
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/hbcu
http://www.collegescholarships.org/grants/minority.htm
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/12/study-us-higher-education-receives-more-federal-state-governments
https://www.jbhe.com/features/65_pellgrants.html
Best of luck with your arguments. I find that no matter how prepared I am, the results are the same when dealing with TDS liberals. You'd be better off teaching tricks to a pig.
I think there is nevertheless a need to keep rebutting liberals even if you can't convince them rather than to resign yourself that they won't understand and stay silent. First, a lot of the ignorance flourishes because people post this kind of stuff to virtue signal to their echo chamber thinking (mostly correctly) that they will just get pats on the back from others. Constantly haranguing them undermines their motives and should result in less BS from them over time. Second, people out there susceptible to reason as well as unformed minds looking for a place to belong need to see facts and logic and the people who stand by them. You are speaking past your mother and having an impact on others whether you realize it or not.
Hahah I got a similar thing yesterday with a friend of mines mom.
Posted about how Trump makes fun of handicap people. I told her it wasn’t true.
Right off bat she said I was essentially an enemy for having different thoughts and principles.
A few of her friends joined in and all I said was for them to have a good day, but I believe in facts.
She blocked me but I saw what she wrote to them to tell them. She basically said along lines of:
“Sorry friends I am blocking him not because we disagree, but because of what he supports...”
I just laughed, whatever. She is one calling me an enemy for simply disagreeing, and then her comment was icing. What a sad person.