A combination of entertainment industry cliches, the liberal self-help/parenting advice industry, and the public education system have convinced loads of people that it's perfectly normal for your child to suddenly start hating you, stop listening to anything you say, and go out of their way to avoid following your advice.
A significant portion of public school is geared towards actively teaching children that their parents are bigoted, superstitious idiots, and far too many parents just shrug their shoulders and hope they grow out of it.
The worst part is the parents who actually believe it themselves. I can't tell you how many people I've spoken with who honestly believed they were incapable of teaching their own children, and it was just a natural inevitability that their children would grow to resent them.
It's why the styles get changed so drastically in controlled pop culture every decade.
80s, 70s, 90s, 60s... like we aren't all exactly the same as our parents and ancestors.
It's easy to see. That's why Malachi says the earth is wasted or cursed if we don't turn parents to children and children to parents: to see we are exactly the same and to help each other overcome the enemies that want to murder us all equally.
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book.
Same. I watched others go through it, and it was pretty easy to see why, their family life usually sucked. I've been involved with many fundamentalist Christians around the country, and it's pretty rare. If their kids do 'rebel' it's much later in life. I learned pretty early on that my family was a rare gift.
It seems to me the more liberal the family, the more rebellious the kids. Perhaps the more 'rebellious' the parents are against decency and morality, the more rebellious their kids are in response. Rebellion being "normal" in a post 60s America would make a lot of sense. 1950s? NOBODY treated their parents like kids do these days.
Of course, now it's the indoctrination centers more than the parents even. Can't teach your kids boundaries and morals if the entire curriculum is trying to teach them their skin is the wrong color and their gender is a lie.
You are so right. My sister in-law and her butt stain of a husband are perfect examples. Greediest people you ever met. Anybody that makes less than half a million a year is garbage. Hate Jesus. Ignore the kids. Now of my three neices, I have a female to male trans, an asexual lesbian, and a non binary gendered pan sexual. All five are suicidally miserable.
I'm assuming you didn't want to become a struggling artist/soundcloud musician, or lesbian dance theorist. They raised their kids to be meandering buffoons and are shocked when they make stupid life choices.
Support is a funny word. My mother wanted to be an artist and quit her job. My dad said keep the job but use weekend and evenings to learn art, they can budget money and pay for her to expand her art lessons for the next 4 years and after that she needs to sell stuff. That this is not a hobby but a career choice. She become an art teacher for children and found out she could not sell art.
I never went thru one as extreme either but my younger brother did and boy was he a shitbag during those years, almost tore the family apart and we still dont speak to this day. Took advantage of everyones good heart and used it for monetary gain and sympathy. Would steal from stores and try to get out of it by saying he was going to give this to the homeless. Yea, homeless in our small town where they dont exist.
Plus the older I get the more and more I realize my parents were right about so much, I am already pretty far ahead in my life more so than people similar aged but I can only imagine how far I could have gone if I actually listened to everything they said, instead of being "slightly rebellious"
My kids are going through a salty phase where they want more independence and get a little testy as a result but nothing I would call rebellious. They’re getting older, I get it.
Yeah, but too many teenagers do go through a rebellious phase. It's too many to just completely ignore. Going against standards for a short phase in your life is pretty normal and it's part of humans creating an identity for themselves. It also helps teach us what NOT to do later in life.
You want teenagers coming out of that phase with an understanding of why American values are important not only to the country, but to themselves as well. If children are raised to learn discipline, merit, determination, integrity, respect, honor etc BEFORE going into that phase, they go right back to it when they start wanting more out of life than any rebellious phase could ever give them.
There's a difference between testing boundaries and reaching for increased responsibility and independence and actively going against your own upbringing, hating your parents, and rejecting their culture.
It's the difference between a daughter wanting to wear a more grown-up looking skirt and go on dates, and a son wanting to wear a skirt and start having sex.
How they're educated and raised during that tumultuous time makes all the difference. If they've been taught that their own parents are the bad guys, then even the most loving parents are going to have quite a bit more difficulty helping them navigate the transition to adulthood.
I'd argue that going against your parents is part of obtaining your own identity. Granted, it doesn't work most of the time as most apples don't actually fall far from the tree, even if they think they do. I personally believe that parental efforts in the early years are far more important to lay the foundation that will stick with a child forever, as it is very difficult to completely reject everything you learned as a kid. But I'd still like to hear your take on parenting during teenage years and where you place that on the scale of importance and why.
It's not that I'm saying children don't naturally test boundaries and exert independence as they grow older, but if they haven't been taught to have an antagonistic view of their parents, then that process doesn't become open rebellion and ongoing resentment.
Your point about the importance of the early foundation is very much a part of what I'm saying. It is during that early foundation that the public school system, the entertainment industry, and the advertising industries are first targeting children. Between actual school time, extracurricular activities, homework, time to play, and sleep, there's not a lot of time left for parents to work on that foundation. It's especially difficult if the professional educators you've trusted with your children are actively working against you by teaching kids that older people are all inherently bigoted, superstitious idiots.
Parenting during the teenage years is entirely dependent on that foundation you mention. The goal of a parent is not simply to care for a child; it is to raise an adult. Making sure they're prepared for the increased independence and responsibilities is a long continuous process. By the time they are really striving for increased independence, you should be able to give it to them knowing that they're ready for it.
I'd argue that religion is able to create a foundation of values successfully, which for many only happens to be a part of their learning 1 morning a week.
In my opinion, part of teaching American values to children involves teaching them early on how to COMBAT the entertainment industry, advertising, "woke" principles and general liberal ideology no matter where they may see it. Granted it's not easy, but there are plenty of early warning signs when a kid starts buying into progressive nonsense. They can't help but repeat the rhetoric out loud because "speaking truth to power" is such a big part of the ideology itself. I think the real fight comes when helping your child learn to ignore liberal propaganda starts to destroy their circle of friends. The last thing they want to do is to make themselves not be accepted by their peers.
None of it's easy. But I think blaming school educators too much can lead to frustration and throwing in the towel. Yes, teachers need to be fired if they try to bring their personal ideology into the classroom. BUT if that doesn't happen, then use it as an opportunity to teach children how not to fall for such nonsense. Learning not to fall for propaganda at a young age will only serve children that much more when they become adults.
Your solution, like mine, involves parents taking a more active role in their children's education. The difference between full-time homeschooling and consistently setting aside some block of time such as Sunday morning to sit and educate your children is one of scale.
But it's not as simple as the teachers are teaching something wrong, and you the parent will just correct your children. The teachers and other avenues of "woke" indoctrinators are actively teaching the children not to listen to their own parents.
Relying on 45 minutes of bible study a week to overcome more than forty hours a week of explicitly anti-Christian education is more of an uphill battle than it needs to be. It's not that it can't succeed, it's that it's unnecessarily more difficult than just giving them 40 hours of quality education in the first place.
I'm not saying homeschooling is easy, but it's easier to teach children right in the first place then to try to unteach them something wrong.
There are principles that fight "woke"-ism naturally. For example, teaching personal responsibility + asking for proof/evidence = a good safeguard against others trying to manipulate a child's natural empathy for purposes of convincing them that racism is everywhere. Teaching the importance of authority & society safeguards against anti-police propaganda. Teaching basic value and business operations safeguards against theft/looting. And on and on. These are the solutions needed for children to successfully pick up the skills needed to ignore or combat progressive nonsense when necessary.
Children don't require these lessons daily, but it's important that the lessons become mandated learning early (training starts before public school and continues always from an early perspective to give the best vantage point) and also lesson reminders WHEN children come into first contact with a source that starts spewing propaganda. The key is teaching children first and not being reactionary in teaching. It's absolutely an active role in a child's life - as parents should be.
You say to start training before public school, but for many families the public school system starts in toddlerhood. Head start programs begin at three years of age, and many families have their children in day care even before that.
Regardless, we agree wholeheartedly that the key is active and ongoing involvement in your children's lives. The point of the meme is merely that the cliched, years-long "phase" of teenagers being self-destructive and hating their parents isn't just some automatic part of growing up the way certain humanist sociologists insist that it is.
I don't believe that there is only one single way to raise children well, and though I do enjoy debating the relative benefits of homeschooling vs public schools, I don't automatically think someone is a bad parent just because they have opted for public school.
It's just that over the past several years of perusing conservative and patriotic forums, I've noticed an awful lot of conservative parents who seem strangely resigned to their children growing up to be extreme leftists as though it came out of nowhere or is exclusively the fault of college professors and Hollywood without addressing the reality of their own accountability.
Ya but specifically rebelling against your parents is different. I was a party animal scumbag but I never ever had a moment where I didn't respect my parents. Because they set an honorable, respectable example.
You came back around to the values you were taught, which is great and that was my main point. But you're not exactly like them. In fact, I'd be willing to bet than in some minor ways you're the exact opposite. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. But I never rebelled against them personally. They were special though. All my friends came to them with their problems looking for advice. Like an 80s and 90s ward and June cleaver.
Luke 15:11 Then Jesus said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that will belong to me.’ So he divided his property between them. 13 A few days later the younger son gathered all he had and traveled to a distant country, and there he squandered his property in dissolute living. 14 When he had spent everything, a severe famine took place throughout that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed the pigs. 16 He would gladly have filled himself with the pods that the pigs were eating; and no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to himself he said, ‘How many of my father's hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired hands.” ’ 20 So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him. 21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly, bring out a robe—the best one—and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 And get the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!’ And they began to celebrate.
That passage is about how God will gladly accept you back no matter how far you stray. However, it still points out that only ONE of the two sons rebelled and ran off, so it does not support the assertion that all children are destined to come to hate their parents.
The phrase "human nature" implies that it is common to all humans, but evidence shows that it clearly isn't. Simply acting as though it's inevitable and not influenced by upbringing is just a way to eschew our parental accountability for our children. Parents may delegate the responsibility of educating their children to the state, but that does not absolve them of accountability.
For study, try Proverbs 22:6, Deuteronomy 11:18-19, Ephesians 6:4...
You just proved that human nature is not to reproduce. Reject your own premise.
Human nature is to worship. If they don't worship God, they will find something else to worship. All humans worship something, even if it's only themselves.
I don't think human nature means "all people will do x" so much as "people are prone to doing x." And, did not the second son express some rebellion when he was upset that the prodigal son got the special treatment rather than being pleased to obey his father? To me, that's human nature- some express traits more than others, but the inclination is there.
And yes, the inborn curiosity that drives man to find God is part of human nature.
I've always had my disagreements with my parents (Don't even get me started that both my mother and father are brainwashed by the MSM),
I think there's also sometimes the issue of two strong personalities clashing, which I think happens in a lot of families. We get into some pretty heated arguments all the time, but I've always loved them regardless of my issues with them. I don't think it's inherently right to say it is a manipulation of the child, but just manipulation to any degree can influence these identity issues in kids.
I'll just put it like this. I raised two. One went to public school, was rebellious and is now a brainwashed supporter of BLM. The other was homeschooled, never really became rebellious, graduated college and got married. So, I guess the rebellious one learned that behavior in the public school system?
Well, when progressivist teachers are openly "educating" elementary schoolers to believe that their parents are bigoted idiots who are literally destroying the world and oppressing poor, innocent people and that the only reason parents don't want them experimenting with sex is because of old-fashioned puritanical superstitious religion, and all of our cultural institutions are founded on literal evil, theft, slavery, and genocide...
I suppose it COULD be a coincidence that so many children raised that way grow to loath their own parents.
But if you let someone else train up your child in the way they want the child to go, don't be surprised when your kids are calling you a racist over thanksgiving dinner.
The parents whos teens are out of control with their "rebelling" are the same parents that allow their children to throw serious tantrums in public. With the very rare exception where thereis just something genuinely wrong with the kid- in which case, if the parent cannot handle their outbursts, they should probably be in a care facility- they're acting out because their parents either ignored or rewarded their shitty behavior. Their teen goes out and does illegal shit, or just behaves badly, then its obviously not the parents' fault, its just how teenagers are!
Of course teens get moody- they're physically growing, which is painful and freaky, and their brains aren't fully formed but they think they know everything. Of course they're going to push boundaries to see what theycan get away with- and they should, it's how they learn to handle themselves. But you don't let them run roughshod.
As a teen, I'd get into arguments with my folks. I'd sulk for days in my room, and when it was just me and my friends, sometimes we'd get a little rowdy. But I would never willfully disrespect my parents, and not just because they'd rightfully put me in my place if I did, but also because I knew they respected me, and didn't treat me like a lesser being incapable of having autonomy over my behavior and actions.
Imagine being a teen or a young adult, and your parents think you're so stupid nothing you do or say should be taken seriously because you have no control over yourself. Awful.
I've believed for some time now that leftism only exists because of mistaken and diabolical beliefs about adolescence as a period of "storm and strife." It's like a kid raised in that sewer never shakes the stench and winds up a leftist more often than not.
I never understood why this was just assumed. My siblings and I never went through a “rebellious phase” against our parents.
A combination of entertainment industry cliches, the liberal self-help/parenting advice industry, and the public education system have convinced loads of people that it's perfectly normal for your child to suddenly start hating you, stop listening to anything you say, and go out of their way to avoid following your advice.
A significant portion of public school is geared towards actively teaching children that their parents are bigoted, superstitious idiots, and far too many parents just shrug their shoulders and hope they grow out of it.
The worst part is the parents who actually believe it themselves. I can't tell you how many people I've spoken with who honestly believed they were incapable of teaching their own children, and it was just a natural inevitability that their children would grow to resent them.
It's why the styles get changed so drastically in controlled pop culture every decade.
80s, 70s, 90s, 60s... like we aren't all exactly the same as our parents and ancestors.
It's easy to see. That's why Malachi says the earth is wasted or cursed if we don't turn parents to children and children to parents: to see we are exactly the same and to help each other overcome the enemies that want to murder us all equally.
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book.
Same. I watched others go through it, and it was pretty easy to see why, their family life usually sucked. I've been involved with many fundamentalist Christians around the country, and it's pretty rare. If their kids do 'rebel' it's much later in life. I learned pretty early on that my family was a rare gift.
It seems to me the more liberal the family, the more rebellious the kids. Perhaps the more 'rebellious' the parents are against decency and morality, the more rebellious their kids are in response. Rebellion being "normal" in a post 60s America would make a lot of sense. 1950s? NOBODY treated their parents like kids do these days.
Of course, now it's the indoctrination centers more than the parents even. Can't teach your kids boundaries and morals if the entire curriculum is trying to teach them their skin is the wrong color and their gender is a lie.
You are so right. My sister in-law and her butt stain of a husband are perfect examples. Greediest people you ever met. Anybody that makes less than half a million a year is garbage. Hate Jesus. Ignore the kids. Now of my three neices, I have a female to male trans, an asexual lesbian, and a non binary gendered pan sexual. All five are suicidally miserable.
Same, probably because my parents actually supported me in my ambitions rather than told me what not to do.
I'm assuming you didn't want to become a struggling artist/soundcloud musician, or lesbian dance theorist. They raised their kids to be meandering buffoons and are shocked when they make stupid life choices.
I wanted to be a novelist and a musician. My parents still supported me. They didn't let me stay in the basement till I was thirty though.
Some people don't understand the difference between "supporting" and "enabling".
Support is a funny word. My mother wanted to be an artist and quit her job. My dad said keep the job but use weekend and evenings to learn art, they can budget money and pay for her to expand her art lessons for the next 4 years and after that she needs to sell stuff. That this is not a hobby but a career choice. She become an art teacher for children and found out she could not sell art.
No I wanted to became an engineer.
I did.
I never went thru one as extreme either but my younger brother did and boy was he a shitbag during those years, almost tore the family apart and we still dont speak to this day. Took advantage of everyones good heart and used it for monetary gain and sympathy. Would steal from stores and try to get out of it by saying he was going to give this to the homeless. Yea, homeless in our small town where they dont exist.
Plus the older I get the more and more I realize my parents were right about so much, I am already pretty far ahead in my life more so than people similar aged but I can only imagine how far I could have gone if I actually listened to everything they said, instead of being "slightly rebellious"
My kids are going through a salty phase where they want more independence and get a little testy as a result but nothing I would call rebellious. They’re getting older, I get it.
Yeah, it's two very different things. Being grumbly about having a curfew is not "rebellion".
On the other hand, stealing your parents car to sneak out and go drinking, smoke pot, and have sex with strangers is not "just part of growing up".
how can this be possible?
Home school.
that always seems to be the answer.
Yeah, but too many teenagers do go through a rebellious phase. It's too many to just completely ignore. Going against standards for a short phase in your life is pretty normal and it's part of humans creating an identity for themselves. It also helps teach us what NOT to do later in life.
You want teenagers coming out of that phase with an understanding of why American values are important not only to the country, but to themselves as well. If children are raised to learn discipline, merit, determination, integrity, respect, honor etc BEFORE going into that phase, they go right back to it when they start wanting more out of life than any rebellious phase could ever give them.
There's a difference between testing boundaries and reaching for increased responsibility and independence and actively going against your own upbringing, hating your parents, and rejecting their culture.
It's the difference between a daughter wanting to wear a more grown-up looking skirt and go on dates, and a son wanting to wear a skirt and start having sex.
How they're educated and raised during that tumultuous time makes all the difference. If they've been taught that their own parents are the bad guys, then even the most loving parents are going to have quite a bit more difficulty helping them navigate the transition to adulthood.
I'd argue that going against your parents is part of obtaining your own identity. Granted, it doesn't work most of the time as most apples don't actually fall far from the tree, even if they think they do. I personally believe that parental efforts in the early years are far more important to lay the foundation that will stick with a child forever, as it is very difficult to completely reject everything you learned as a kid. But I'd still like to hear your take on parenting during teenage years and where you place that on the scale of importance and why.
It's not that I'm saying children don't naturally test boundaries and exert independence as they grow older, but if they haven't been taught to have an antagonistic view of their parents, then that process doesn't become open rebellion and ongoing resentment.
Your point about the importance of the early foundation is very much a part of what I'm saying. It is during that early foundation that the public school system, the entertainment industry, and the advertising industries are first targeting children. Between actual school time, extracurricular activities, homework, time to play, and sleep, there's not a lot of time left for parents to work on that foundation. It's especially difficult if the professional educators you've trusted with your children are actively working against you by teaching kids that older people are all inherently bigoted, superstitious idiots.
Parenting during the teenage years is entirely dependent on that foundation you mention. The goal of a parent is not simply to care for a child; it is to raise an adult. Making sure they're prepared for the increased independence and responsibilities is a long continuous process. By the time they are really striving for increased independence, you should be able to give it to them knowing that they're ready for it.
I'd argue that religion is able to create a foundation of values successfully, which for many only happens to be a part of their learning 1 morning a week.
In my opinion, part of teaching American values to children involves teaching them early on how to COMBAT the entertainment industry, advertising, "woke" principles and general liberal ideology no matter where they may see it. Granted it's not easy, but there are plenty of early warning signs when a kid starts buying into progressive nonsense. They can't help but repeat the rhetoric out loud because "speaking truth to power" is such a big part of the ideology itself. I think the real fight comes when helping your child learn to ignore liberal propaganda starts to destroy their circle of friends. The last thing they want to do is to make themselves not be accepted by their peers.
None of it's easy. But I think blaming school educators too much can lead to frustration and throwing in the towel. Yes, teachers need to be fired if they try to bring their personal ideology into the classroom. BUT if that doesn't happen, then use it as an opportunity to teach children how not to fall for such nonsense. Learning not to fall for propaganda at a young age will only serve children that much more when they become adults.
Your solution, like mine, involves parents taking a more active role in their children's education. The difference between full-time homeschooling and consistently setting aside some block of time such as Sunday morning to sit and educate your children is one of scale.
But it's not as simple as the teachers are teaching something wrong, and you the parent will just correct your children. The teachers and other avenues of "woke" indoctrinators are actively teaching the children not to listen to their own parents.
Relying on 45 minutes of bible study a week to overcome more than forty hours a week of explicitly anti-Christian education is more of an uphill battle than it needs to be. It's not that it can't succeed, it's that it's unnecessarily more difficult than just giving them 40 hours of quality education in the first place.
I'm not saying homeschooling is easy, but it's easier to teach children right in the first place then to try to unteach them something wrong.
There are principles that fight "woke"-ism naturally. For example, teaching personal responsibility + asking for proof/evidence = a good safeguard against others trying to manipulate a child's natural empathy for purposes of convincing them that racism is everywhere. Teaching the importance of authority & society safeguards against anti-police propaganda. Teaching basic value and business operations safeguards against theft/looting. And on and on. These are the solutions needed for children to successfully pick up the skills needed to ignore or combat progressive nonsense when necessary.
Children don't require these lessons daily, but it's important that the lessons become mandated learning early (training starts before public school and continues always from an early perspective to give the best vantage point) and also lesson reminders WHEN children come into first contact with a source that starts spewing propaganda. The key is teaching children first and not being reactionary in teaching. It's absolutely an active role in a child's life - as parents should be.
You say to start training before public school, but for many families the public school system starts in toddlerhood. Head start programs begin at three years of age, and many families have their children in day care even before that.
Regardless, we agree wholeheartedly that the key is active and ongoing involvement in your children's lives. The point of the meme is merely that the cliched, years-long "phase" of teenagers being self-destructive and hating their parents isn't just some automatic part of growing up the way certain humanist sociologists insist that it is.
I don't believe that there is only one single way to raise children well, and though I do enjoy debating the relative benefits of homeschooling vs public schools, I don't automatically think someone is a bad parent just because they have opted for public school.
It's just that over the past several years of perusing conservative and patriotic forums, I've noticed an awful lot of conservative parents who seem strangely resigned to their children growing up to be extreme leftists as though it came out of nowhere or is exclusively the fault of college professors and Hollywood without addressing the reality of their own accountability.
Ya but specifically rebelling against your parents is different. I was a party animal scumbag but I never ever had a moment where I didn't respect my parents. Because they set an honorable, respectable example.
You came back around to the values you were taught, which is great and that was my main point. But you're not exactly like them. In fact, I'd be willing to bet than in some minor ways you're the exact opposite. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. But I never rebelled against them personally. They were special though. All my friends came to them with their problems looking for advice. Like an 80s and 90s ward and June cleaver.
That's some good parenting right there.
My dad bought me rush Limbaugh casset tapes about 3 weeks after bill Clinton got elected. He's based as hell.
I mean, human nature says otherwise.
Not if you look across multiple time frames and cultures.
Luke 15:11 Then Jesus said, “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the property that will belong to me.’ So he divided his property between them. 13 A few days later the younger son gathered all he had and traveled to a distant country, and there he squandered his property in dissolute living. 14 When he had spent everything, a severe famine took place throughout that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed the pigs. 16 He would gladly have filled himself with the pods that the pigs were eating; and no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to himself he said, ‘How many of my father's hired hands have bread enough and to spare, but here I am dying of hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired hands.” ’ 20 So he set off and went to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him. 21 Then the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly, bring out a robe—the best one—and put it on him; put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 And get the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; 24 for this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found!’ And they began to celebrate.
That passage is about how God will gladly accept you back no matter how far you stray. However, it still points out that only ONE of the two sons rebelled and ran off, so it does not support the assertion that all children are destined to come to hate their parents.
The phrase "human nature" implies that it is common to all humans, but evidence shows that it clearly isn't. Simply acting as though it's inevitable and not influenced by upbringing is just a way to eschew our parental accountability for our children. Parents may delegate the responsibility of educating their children to the state, but that does not absolve them of accountability.
For study, try Proverbs 22:6, Deuteronomy 11:18-19, Ephesians 6:4...
Human nature is to reproduce, yet not everyone has sex.I reject your premise.
You just proved that human nature is not to reproduce. Reject your own premise.
Human nature is to worship. If they don't worship God, they will find something else to worship. All humans worship something, even if it's only themselves.
I don't think human nature means "all people will do x" so much as "people are prone to doing x." And, did not the second son express some rebellion when he was upset that the prodigal son got the special treatment rather than being pleased to obey his father? To me, that's human nature- some express traits more than others, but the inclination is there.
And yes, the inborn curiosity that drives man to find God is part of human nature.
Also being wrong about calling a second thing human nature doesn't mean you weren't wrong to call the first thing human nature.
I’m rebellious still but have always loved my parents.
I've always had my disagreements with my parents (Don't even get me started that both my mother and father are brainwashed by the MSM),
I think there's also sometimes the issue of two strong personalities clashing, which I think happens in a lot of families. We get into some pretty heated arguments all the time, but I've always loved them regardless of my issues with them. I don't think it's inherently right to say it is a manipulation of the child, but just manipulation to any degree can influence these identity issues in kids.
I never did, either. I had a phase where I started moving more to the middle politically, but then Trump came along and they both met me where I was.
I would say have you ever raised a daughter?
No, but my brother has raised two.
I'll just put it like this. I raised two. One went to public school, was rebellious and is now a brainwashed supporter of BLM. The other was homeschooled, never really became rebellious, graduated college and got married. So, I guess the rebellious one learned that behavior in the public school system?
Well, when progressivist teachers are openly "educating" elementary schoolers to believe that their parents are bigoted idiots who are literally destroying the world and oppressing poor, innocent people and that the only reason parents don't want them experimenting with sex is because of old-fashioned puritanical superstitious religion, and all of our cultural institutions are founded on literal evil, theft, slavery, and genocide...
I suppose it COULD be a coincidence that so many children raised that way grow to loath their own parents.
Proverbs 22:6
New King James Version
Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.
Simple.
Exactly.
But if you let someone else train up your child in the way they want the child to go, don't be surprised when your kids are calling you a racist over thanksgiving dinner.
The parents whos teens are out of control with their "rebelling" are the same parents that allow their children to throw serious tantrums in public. With the very rare exception where thereis just something genuinely wrong with the kid- in which case, if the parent cannot handle their outbursts, they should probably be in a care facility- they're acting out because their parents either ignored or rewarded their shitty behavior. Their teen goes out and does illegal shit, or just behaves badly, then its obviously not the parents' fault, its just how teenagers are!
Of course teens get moody- they're physically growing, which is painful and freaky, and their brains aren't fully formed but they think they know everything. Of course they're going to push boundaries to see what theycan get away with- and they should, it's how they learn to handle themselves. But you don't let them run roughshod.
As a teen, I'd get into arguments with my folks. I'd sulk for days in my room, and when it was just me and my friends, sometimes we'd get a little rowdy. But I would never willfully disrespect my parents, and not just because they'd rightfully put me in my place if I did, but also because I knew they respected me, and didn't treat me like a lesser being incapable of having autonomy over my behavior and actions.
Imagine being a teen or a young adult, and your parents think you're so stupid nothing you do or say should be taken seriously because you have no control over yourself. Awful.
It is a textbook marxist tactic.
Check out this clip from The Killing Fields. at about 0:40 the children are being indoctrinated to despise their families and their history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdqK0GfbQ8
I taught my children that teenaged rebellion was a social,construct, and had them read stories from previous centuries. Never had a problem.
Many times rebellious teens come from an abusive household. They are powerless at home so they lash out as soon as they escape.
I've believed for some time now that leftism only exists because of mistaken and diabolical beliefs about adolescence as a period of "storm and strife." It's like a kid raised in that sewer never shakes the stench and winds up a leftist more often than not.
I never did. My sister did and she’s a raging lefty and is getting more and more insane through all of this.