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posted ago by Trumpy_Bear ago by Trumpy_Bear +23 / -1

I thought of an idea that would be a political stance to take that I think could get Republicans/Right 100% of the black vote. That is, not just 100% of blacks who do vote, but even raise the rate of black voter turnout to like 90% and get like 90% of that vote, securing Republican victory in the Presidency and Congress for like the next 16 years.

It's a really weird idea, but I really think if done right, it could work, and I wanted to get some people's thoughts. I would really like to try to pitch this to some Republican lawmakers and pundits

The idea is almost solely a political stance promoting a policy proposal. And it's basically a giant trolling.

We would support reparations for black people, but in the form of giveaways of Federal Lands. Akin to the original 40 acres and a mule promise.

Don't worry about whether this idea is practically feasible, the only point is to take the political stance. It will never pass because Democrats would block it, and that's part of the point.

I came up with the idea because I'm a Georgist - I recognize that land is the ultimate capital. That is, free-market capitalism is great, but the idea of land ownership in the first place is where any unfairness lies. One of the greatest things about America was that we had a huge, empty continent, and rather than let it get annexed by a small ruling class, we gave it out to everyone via homesteading. This is a big part of why America isn't just such a rich country, but that wealth is actually well distributed among the populace. And this is why there was a 40 acres and a mule proposal once the slaves were freed. Freedom didn't mean jack if you had nothing with which to produce wealth; "working hard" in and of itself doesn't make money, it only does so in the right conditions.

Now, as we all know, the reparations for slavery that the Democrats promote, which is just cash payments, would be grossly immoral because half, hell most of , the people around now are from lineages that had nothing to do with slavery.

But what if you could give blacks wealth without having to actually spend money, or at least not a lot of compared to how much you give them? Well, America is enormous and still mostly empty. So yeah, that's the base of the idea, giving out Federally owned lands as a form of reparations for slavery.

It gets interesting once you start analyzing it and riffing on it. What good is just some dumb land going to do ? Well, land by itself could bring some income in the form of timber fees or grazing fees and the like, but most wealth comes from land development. OK, but so what? Why would people build in the middle of nowhere? Well, that's the problem. So the solution would be to have the policy override large swaths of environmental regulation. Would Democrats object? Yes, they'd try. But the response is pretty simple: What you don't want Tyrone Jefferson to make a ton of money allowing Bechtel to build a new refinery on his land? WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF RACIST? Any and all talk about the environment would be easily defeated by the plain fact that all the white Democrats who complain all have wealth built up historically by such development, so what right do they have to stop the black man? Even better, the lands could be given out and the landowners organized specifically with plans to create new cities. What, you don't want cities where blacks are the majority landowner? I envision new cities, built from scratch, but with full urban planning beforehand, allowing mass transit to planned from the get-go, making it much much cheaper to build (you could just reserve strips of land for subway lines, and once the population got big enough, you wouldn't need to tunnel bore, you could just cut-and-cover to build the subway lines). This country has long been overdue for a couple more refineries and nuclear power plants. New cities, new industry, and blacks reaping all the rents and profits. I imagine the government hiring hydrologists to find regions with water sources suitable for new cities, and then hiring large drafting, surveying, and engineering firms to come up with city plans. Huge, empty areas dotted with surveying monuments laying out the plan for the next Neotopia. Also, the government creating groups of neighboring landowners in HOA style or Coop style agreements to trade/share land use/profit rights to incentivize all the new landowners acting on the plan. And plenty of black folks just driving up, bringing chainsaws and other equipment, and clearing their own plot of land and building their own log cabin.

It gets even more interesting if you riff even more. Like I mentioned earlier, the standard Democrat plan for reparations is unconscionable because most American taxpayers don't even have ancestors who had anything to do with slavery. But there are plenty of payments the Federal Government gets from peoples and groups who are NOT American citizen taxpayers. Part of the reparations plan could be that all federal pasture and timber fees go towards a central fund, and more importantly all tariffs, too. This fund could be used to create some actual smaller cash reparations in addition to the land grants, or used to fund things related to developing the new land grants, like investment in the equipment (nowadays the "mule" in "40 acres and a mule" might be a tractor). This would be even more hilarious because it would incentivize blacks to support tariffs! Which of course would incentivize them further to be on our side.

To reiterate, the point isn't whether any of this would actually ever happen, it's a hilarious trolling of a policy proposal to take. It completely reverses the script. What? You Democrats don't want blacks to have their own land and cities? What are you, racist? I would like to call it the Radical Republican Reparations Plan, as it runs in the same spirit of the Radical Republicans.

As for actual practicality and whether this could actually happen and whether we'd want it to - yeah, I figure like me most Republicans would indeed want this to happen if we could get it. This country needs new industrial vigor. Republicans get a lot of backing from large manufacturing and and construction and engineering concerns because we are pro-business, so the politicial will is there. We like nature, but America will still have plenty of that even if we go through a new industrial rennaissance. Heck, I myself only ever worked in manufacturing and construction, and while I like to hike and stuff, I'm not nuts about it, why wouldn't I want such a policy to be enacted?

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Julius_Severus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah going after the black vote was a mistake

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

once blacks see that Democrats don't actually care about them GETTING OPPORTUNITY that could come with actually owning land, they'd all vote Republican and turn out in huge numbers. We'd have the country for the next 16 years.

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Julius_Severus 2 points ago +2 / -0

You're a teenager right?

You realize that people can't just spontaneously build prosperous cities in the middle of no where right? And that if you were looking for people with the ability to do that, that African Americans would undoubtedly be the least equipped demographic to accomplish that task?

I'm also a bit alarmed that you view environmental destruction as a fringe benefit of your plan. Just because some environmental laws are unfeasible doesn't mean they're bad in principle. I'd rather my children were drinking unpolluted water.

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

nope, about 35.

You realize that people DID spontaneously build prosperous cities all over America, right? And that the only reason that hasn't continued now is the paper shackles we have bound ourselves in (as in regulation)?

You think it's normal or natural for a few urban megacities to hold 90% of the population, with ever skyrocketing rents? No. It used to be that when towns got too expensive, the next one would build up. Since people were actually allowed to use this country, they did and land prices and urban density were kept in check.

Who said anything about environmental destruction? I'm just saying get rid of the nonsense that's not allowing our country to build basic industrial facilities that we need. You know why they never built any new nuclear power plants? Because the regulaitons are INSANE - literally the Capitol Building would fail on the same regulations because of the natural tiny amount of radiation in the limestone walls.

Democrats want to frame any new industry or building as environmental destruction, but it's all nonsense. They just don't want anybody else to create new money and compete with them and their profits and rents.

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Bunkerbaby 1 point ago +1 / -0

Tl;dr?

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Julius_Severus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Op is insane and thinks welfare queens from the ghetto should be encouraged to build pioneer style homesteads on federal nature preserves

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Feel free to actually read everything I wrote. It's a trolling political position. The point isn't whether it would actually happen, the point is to reverse the script on libtards

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Libertas1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

So should we give them land in like Dakota?

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Federal government has lands in lots of places, and there are even more in various nature reserves both state and federal. They are all over the place, some in the forests of the northeast, and some in the plains in the midwest. Once Repuiblicans get the black vote for this plan, the train would be unstoppable and you might even be able to take over some state lands/nature reserves for this black landowner plan

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I should have mentioned that there's one more payment to the Federal Government that isn't made by American taxpayers that could be used for some cash reparations - all the fees that foreigners pay to apply to the government to come into this country and become citizens. Again, hilarious because then the black voting block is incentivized to be against immigration, or at least for high fees for becoming a citizen. I'm generally against immigration both illegal and legal, but I'd happily settle for immigration being limited to lets say $200,000 in fees payable to American citizens (specifically in this case the American citizens would be American blacks, but that really makes no difference to me, and if anything is remedial to entrenched wealth inequality)

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RuneDK 0 points ago +1 / -1

We would support reparations for black people, but in the form of giveaways of Federal Lands. Akin to the original 40 acres and a mule promise.

Sounds like a good plan to me. But make it a requirement that people have been married for some time. Or even better, give the married recipients land as a loan with a grace period of for instance ten years, if they're still married after ten years cancel the loan. Otherwise, require payments. Incentivize family patters which have been proved again and again to be beneficial for everybody, and especially the children.

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Trumpy_Bear [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think that exact plan would be too restrictive, but I like where you're going with throwing in the family values thing in for more trolling. I think the move would be to create a benefit for married couples somehow, not a negative that would be removed for marrieds