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MAGA_4EVER 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ok, so you recognize that people do have different intelligence levels and by that count, I'm also assuming you conceded to my argument about how physical differences makes playing certain instruments easier or harder. Great.

I'd also guess you conceded to my point that some people are just naturally better after practicing less.

I don't disagree with you that practice beats talent 100% if the time that talent doesn't practice. It's true for anything but there is such a thing as talent. Some people naturally have perfect pitch (doesn't mean you can't learn it, you're just behind that person). Some people naturally can hold a temps (doesn't mean you can't learn it. It just means you're behind that person). Some people naturally have fingers that stretch further so they can naturally play harder base lines or piano pieces (doesn't mean you can figure out a way to do it, it's just easier for them. They're ahead of you) It's easier for these people. That means it takes less practice for them than it would for you. If they're just as dedicated as you, they win every time.

So now, I would like to address your comment about how some musicians know how to make some pieces more emotional. You then go on to say that the soul of music is all about deviation. And that we need people to direct the orchestra.

So my question to you is, do you think some people just have a knack for figuring out the deviations that are needed to make the most impact in music? If yes, follow up question, If they have a knack for it from the beginning and they are dedicated to their craft, does that not mean they would win in a competition with someone who did not have a knack for it.

There are only so many hours in the day. Talent matters. It gives you an edge. That edge is important in the .1% of talent. It can set you apart.

And it has very little to do with race.

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aparition42 1 point ago +1 / -0

If practice without talent beats talent without practice, then how do you know who has the talent and who doesn't when you're watching two people perform? Do you see the person that's performing well and assume he's not the talented one, he just worked harder, or do you automatically assume the best performer is the one with talent?

My assumption is that what you're calling "talent" is just the cumulative effect of all the little differences in effort, opportunity, education, equipment, and support that aren't readily apparent to outside observers. Perhaps I'm wrong in that, but whether I am or not, the way you're using the word "talent" (like what makes the 1/100th of a second difference between silver and gold medalist) isn't how it's most often used.

Talent is generally assumed by virtue of performance, and that's what I really have a problem with. I hear the word talent most often as a dismissal of hard work. I see people who have put in little to no effort say, "I wish I were talented like that" as though being good is something that just happens to you rather than admit that their own lack of effort and interest is why they're not good.

Music isn't like sports or math. It's subjective art so objective physical differences like longer fingers aren't automatically an advantage. What is or isn't better is often much more to do with personal opinion than any quantifiable physical ability. Which brings us to the next point. No, I don't believe there's such a thing as a "knack" for connecting with an audience and emoting through your instrument.

I believe that both formal and informal education combined with repeated experimentation in front of an audience while being attentive to their reaction over time leads to mastery of a skill. Just like any stand up comedian spends years making subtle variations on his jokes and delivery and gauging audience reaction to perfect his act.

So if a musician has spent all their time practicing alone to prerecorded music or in the rehearsal space with no audience doing whatever the director tells them , and then only performs from deep in the crowd on stage with no opportunity to experiment and observe the audience, then the reason they struggle to emote through their instrument and connect with an audience isn't because they just weren't born with the knack, it's because they never practiced the skill.