Didn’t expect this leftist garbage from a Baptist church.
Edit: thanks for the support pedes. My faith in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is not diminished. I’m just disappointed in the pastor. I will keep looking for a church that is rooted in God only.
funny, my Baptist Pastor just preached an amazing sermon about not being able to appease the world. The world is always changing and it doesn't even know what it wants. You can either please God or try to appease the world but you can't both.
That's a really good take. Say what you will about God's standards, at least they don't change every 4 minutes.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Amen.
Amen (aka “This is the way”)
Because Jesus is the Truth, the Light, and the way. Truth doesn't change only lies do.
God was always pre-racial, and a-racial, or better - he became biracial: both Elohim (celestial) and human (terrestrial). Babel was an object lesson AGAINST human tribalism - assigning the nations to lesser gods so they'd get The (Bad) Experience. Israel was God's de novo nation, so that he could use them as his own - free of such faux goddish lineage - later to re-adopt the lot of humanity back: after they sufficiently failed under pagan management. Voluntary adoption only. Now. And so stands Christ's offer, at last.
Our race is as God's, if we choose, then. But "race" is just "family", by any definition. God's TWO families are to be united. And if God's not your parent, who cares otherwise.
Are you a Naked Bible Podcast listener?
Just a Christian, and a deep reader. I like Heiser; met him once. 😀
SPEZ: 1777! O new account.
Who is Heiser?
What is his training?
Heiser is a PhD in Hebrew language. He's a textualist by training, a Christian by choice, and a contextualist by providence; he combs through scholarly data on lower criticism, and presents it to the public, with as little eliding and elaborating, as possible, for non-scholarly consumption. His public work ends up being a reasonable look into ancient near-east theology, which theology is what the new testament writer's were steeped in.
What does the "1777!" do?
Gives you (and me) an extra clue who "Lydia Darraugh" was. Commenter of that name had only one comment, at the time of writing, so I was unable to delve more.
The Bible is God's revelation of himself to mankind, and the problem with that idea is that the same God who created and preserved the universe promised that the word of God would endure. Jesus didn't correct the Old Testament, he reinforced the truth of it (while simultaneously fulfilling some of the parts, which is one reason the church has different goals and practices than the nation of Israel). If you search out the Old Testament, there was provision made for the stranger (I'm trying to explain that God didn't JUST work with the Jews, but they allowed themselves to be the nation that would bring forth the Messiah who would save the whole world, and, as such, they received blessings that go along with that). At the same time, we have more historical proof that the Bible is accurate than any other ancient writing. If you want a good resource to look at and study that uses logical deduction, I highly recommend J. Warner Wallace's Cold Case Christianity. It focuses on the New Testament, but if you come to the conclusion that that is accurate, then you need to understand that Jesus Christ doesn't back up your idea. Sorry for the long winded answer, and have a good day!
I Like that. Definitely will use.
Look up the book “God’s Hammer”. Short book, but high-level thinking about the Bible.
Also, find a reformed church where most of the people homeschool. People that embrace that usually love liberty, take their faith serious, and teach their kids to do the same.
Can you add an author to the book? I'm finding anything but what you referenced.
Sorry, Gordon H. Clark
I look at the old testament as history, and I view life as a scientist (physician/former-engineer) and unabashed supernaturalist. The reason why I look at the OT so, is archaeological, as the texts in it exist in the record at wildly different (and old) dates, which substantiates a consistent reading across time. Heiser's work is in that field, called "lower criticism"; it's publicly accessible, as he writes popularly too. Also, look into thebibleproject.com (high production value) and bible.ca (high theological value), too. None of this -maybe- will help you find a home, but it may help you find a mooring.
It wasn't altered or changed but what people teach from it is often specific and used to push certain narratived, like the ones you mentioned.
The revelation of Jesus Christ is pure and true but man tends to mess things up. What you have here are criticisms of man (which are valid), just don't let them stand in the way of your relationship with your creator.
Jesus brought about the freedom of his people. His people being not just the direct descendants of Israel, but every human on Earth.
The places where slavery still exists is in places that don't have Christianity.
Even to this day, when people describe slavery in the US, they talk about things like student loans which cannot be forgiven. And wouldn't ya know, they are distributed by bankers and academia. Not a whole lot of Jesus amongst those groups.
And outside the US, slavery happens mostly in Muslim and atheist countries.
Imagine being a grown adult, borrowing large amounts of money from someone, then calling yourself a slave because they make you pay it back.
College is not mandatory, people.
There’s plenty of Slavery in Africa, in which most of the countries are majority Christian
Name them
According to the 2018 global slavery index, Africa has the highest rate of enslavement in the world with an estimated 9.2 million people in slavery (armed conflict, forced labor, force’s marriages, etc). 78% of these were in sub Saharan Africa which is 63% Christian. The highest rate was in Burundi which is 92% Christian
2 Corin. 4:4
"the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers"
If thats not the truth
Babylon system.
The love of the world is enmity with God.
(James 4:4)
you can never appease the mob. Nobody will be woke enough, or leftist enough to avoild the mob eventually turning on them. Revolutions always end that way.
Amazing that the Baptist Church would buy into this. Which part of the Baptist Church?
The crowds cheered Jesus on Sunday, demanded his crucifixion on Friday.
A massive section of the Baptist church has gone woke. They are overcompensating for being segregated many decades ago.
That’s a shame that so many are falling for this crap. My company had a similar panel zoom on how we could be more understanding of racial issues and less insensitive, cuz middle class whitey has so much privilege. I’m looking harder for a new job now. As they say, get woke, go broke.
They are NOT that stupid, they are not "falling for this crap".
They have done a full analysis (as full as can be done in the 'mainstream') and have concluded that 'woke' is where the money is.
Anecdotal evidence suggests to me that their analysis is wrong. Goya being a recent example.
Goya is leading the turnaround, but how well is this covered in the mainstream?
We are the new trendsetters. Conservative is the new black.
Conservative is the new black beans.
Well, here we are. Setting Trends.
They are jealous. That's why they censor us.
They hate us because they anus
This is correct, but because leftists have a stranglehold over most communication systems, it doesn't FEEL that way. Look at the Bubba situation for an example. Leftists are great at constructing a general vibe of the way things are out of absolute falsities.
So every single corporation in America got it wrong? Hope so but I doubt it.
Idk its highly possible that a well meaning person could really believe this. Social Justice is a religion in itself. If no one pushes back it seems to make sense. That's how sophistry works.
Thomas Sowell goes deeply into the psychology of the sjw in his book The Vision of the Anointed. His view of them is ours stated clearly and with references. If not quite a religion, there is definitely a typical belief system and relationship with others (They being the Anointed and the others being the Benighted or the mascots). Sadly he sees this as a self-reinforcing and self-rewarding coping system which hardens into unchangeable because they will not accept empirical evidence that contradicts the axioms of their beliefs. In this way they truly are mentally ill, in the basic definition I grew up with: they are not operating in the "real" world of most people who can adjust to reality as they see their assumptions are incorrect. So it seems to me a real test of the whole conception would be to find the right therapeutic approach. Lately there are many anecdotes of cures due to the shock of seeing beliefs put into action.
A few days ago, someone here at t_d.win made the comment "Self-righteousness is a powerful drug."
GOYA!
As a non-racist, she naturally assumes that blacks are incapable of independent thought, and therefore all agree with her, much like how dogs all naturally love their owners. So progressive of her.
Right but how much of that analysis is bullshit?
Like Rick Wilson was a GOP strategist?
Mine did too - with the blacks telling us how oppressed they were being the ones in high management and EXECUTIVE VPs!
Yes, they were the presenters for mine too.
The seminaries have been infiltrated by commies. They disrepect and teach a low view of Scripture and the social justice gospel.
It’s weird, I remember when Catholics were pro-life and passionately so. My mom marched on DC for the cause when I was a kid. Of course they’ve always been for open boarders to fill their congregations and their coffers. It’s so hard to find an institution to feel strongly about anymore, of any kind. It seems none have any core values, except greed and self-interest.
That's by design. They wrecked all the institutions so that they could replace them with their own communist state. This includes the Catholic Church.
We must become our own shepherds now just as Jesus told the Apostles to go out on their own.
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."
Good advice for the religious and non-religious alike.
The Catholic church is still pro-life. Even assisting someone else in getting an abortion is automatic excommunication. The Catholic church considers any sexual activity that is not unitive and procreative (that is, open to conception..i.e., not purposely thwarting the procreative power of the sexual act) to be intrinsically immoral. It is not a matter of one's opinion, or of how they happen to read the Bible...these are the teachings of the Church. Now, if there are "catholics" who are pro-choice, they either don't know the teaching of the Church or they don't care, but they are in sin. You cannot reject Peter on account of Judas, in any case.
As for open borders, the Church is not for open borders, either. The Church does teach that we are first children of God, and that love of neighbor is God's commandment. The Church teaches that all people, to the extent that they are able and while not sacrificing proper care for those people (family, etc.) entrusted to us by God, must welcome the stranger. But that is not "open borders" and it has nothing to do with filling coffers.
Sincerely, I appreciate your response. And I’m sure there are parishes that still promote the old belief system, but the institution has been infiltrated by different thinkers and the undertones, in my opinion, are considerably different. One need only watch Pope Frances in action to believe that. In my view, it is and always has been an institution motivated by coffer-filling. I’ve seen it up close too many times. When your priest drives a Mercedes and sends parishioners to your house asking for pledges and to see your tax-returns, there is a problem (true story). We can agree to disagree.
I thought the same thing. The moderator/CEO was the only Caucasian speaking and he kept asking the others “what can we do?” I thought, bring in a POC for your job...
My wife's church got a new pastor from the Minneapolis area. Normally the church is completely full. I went for Easter and there were literally seven people there. When he started his sermon talking about how Jesus loves gays and walls were racist I understood why. Shame.
As I was looking for churches, one I went to talked about loving gays. And frankly, I agree. You should love all people always. God allows us no wiggle room on that. Where the message fails is when the pastors don’t follow up and say “but yeah, people who are gay, you shouldn’t be gay, it goes against God’s plan. You must repent and go away from that lifestyle”.
Agreed. Go and sin no more.
The Catholic church says exactly this. There is no such thing as a "gay" person, any more than there is a "thief" person or an "adulterer" person. Inclinations are one thing...a result of our fallen nature. Actions are another. You should love all people, and recognize that you too are a sinner. But unrepentant embracing of sin--and homosexual activity (along with all other non-unitive, non-procreative expression of sexuality, which are properly understood as abuses of the sexual faculty) is a sin--are not to be accepted, and certainly not celebrated. Love of neighbor means wanting what is best for them, even if that's not what they "want" for themselves.
No.
Yes.
LSS (Lutheran Social Services) is to thank for the Somalification of Minnesota, soooo that makes sense.
Contrary to what they call themselves, they aren't affiliated with any Lutheran churches, as far as I can find. I assume they picked that name to make the Lutheran population up here trust them long enough to embed an invasion force of Muslims who want to implement Sharia and kill Christians.
Take as many parishioners as you can with you. Talk to everyone!
An empty collection plate is the best way to elicit change from the pulpit.
Nah, they would love this. "My gift went to ammo, to help those who will fight for religious freedom."
Write two notes
Went to buy beer.
Would drive the baptists nuts
It's sad that that's probably true. The best way to change something about your congregation should be that you go to your leadership and show them where their current direction goes against Biblical teaching. If you can't say that about your church, find a new one now instead of waiting for them to do something wrong.
This is the best advice, many of the churches have fallen due to fear of the mob and to try and seem more moderate and friendly to the irreligious. The churches are funneling immigrants across the border in hopes of getting new parishioners. The tithing money is paying for our own demographic destruction. Donate your time to people in the community, stop giving them money unless you know where it's going.
Michelle Malkin's newest book goes over the racket in detail.
THIS
That sucks. If you decide to part ways, make sure you express your opinion to leadership.
I pose this challenge to wokesters occasionally and they always respond in the affirmative that they would do it in a heartbeat. Give up their position? Sure. Give up their house? Sure. Accept destruction of their property or neighborhood over racial justice riots? Sure. Defund the police? Sure.
Of course they'll respond like this because they never imagine the progressive mob will genuinely come for them. Yet they're the first to cry for help when it actually does.
It's easy to agree when there's no threat you'll actually have to follow through.
My church cucked out over a month ago. Had a panel of black church members lecturing the white congregation on how they live in fear and we don't. Left an email with the pastor over my disgust that the church would contribute to this divisive time. Got a phone call from one of the pastors and he did the typical how do I difuse the situation without addressing the issue. I made him address it and told me I just didn't understand the message. Long story short told him agree to disagree and we are going to a different church.
Such pastors put the carriage before the horse, and will one day have to answer to God. Even assuming there was great inequality, how does focusing on such an issue get people closer to Christ? Even if their approach worked, the result would be people having a better life on Earth before dying unrepentant and ending up in hell.
Paul didn't waste time in his letters addressing the injustices of slavery, he just said if you can get free do it, but if not, be a good slave so that you can be a good witness of Christ to those around you, including your master.
+1 for Corinthians
I had just started going to church (used to be atheist) before this covid thing hit. The pastor was pretty good until the Floyd thing and we got a similar sermon. Really put a damper on things.
Welcome to the family fren! Don’t let an SJW pastor get you down. There are definitely good ones out there.
Welcome...just remember that people are not perfect. So do not make your opinion on God based on them. I had a similar experience that kept me away from the church for years due to people's hypocrisy, and I am very glad I moved past it.
Find somewhere where people's hearts are good and you will have found something great.
Very good aadvice
Welcome! I hope you've found a church that holds to biblical values.
Don't give up! Man isn't perfect but God is. He cares for you. What's more, the wonderful thing about the Bible is that anyone can sit down and read it for themselves. Obviously you'll need teachers in the future but no SJW "church" is gonna keep my fellow pede away from salvation.
Setting aside that it isn't quite true that anyone can sit down and read the Bible for themselves (many are still illiterate or barely literate in the world, and this was the normal condition of almost everyone just a short time ago), it's also worth mentioning that there are thousands of denominations specifically because texts aren't self-interpreting and every reader brings something with him to the table. Don't assume that because it seems clear that "the Bible says [x]" that that is really the end of the story, lest you trust yourself to perfectly understand God where billions of others have somehow failed. Humility is essential to the faith.
Maybe not in this particular case...but maybe yes, as well. Think about this:
If you go to the Church that already agrees with everything you think, do you worship God, or yourself? Again, maybe in this case, your pastor is wrong. That may be true. But in general, as a convert myself, it's important to know that if you are a sinner, and sin twists the will, then what you think about things will sometimes, of necessity, be wrong. Be willing to change your mind in favor of God's opinion. Don't be quick to judge that you know better. Sometimes you might--certainly the pastor can be wrong. But just be careful about it.
Well, it was online, I couldn’t storm out in MAGA fashion
Comments section maybe?
same thing here
huge swath of the church leadership (and it's associated universities, colleges, seminaries) have been compromised by the sociological manipulation of the radical Left's propaganda techniques
all institutions across the board have been heavily compromised by the enemy
Bolsheviks infiltrated US education (led by the Frankfurt School @ Columbia University)... the Soviet KGB strategized how to trick Catholic Latin American into embracing Marxism = "liberation theology" which redefined Biblical terminology so that the Gospel was interpreted along SJW lines.
Jesus' resurrection became a metaphorical transformation into His own "higher self" etc.
Poison seeds of deconstructive salvation = a variation on the same tactic used by Satan in the Garden of Eden.
I’m seeing the same thing at a church that I started attending at the beginning of the year. Seems like it’s coming from the leadership but there are a lot of members who see this “movement” for what it is. Looks like I’m going to have to look for another church.
Keep your trust and faith in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Are they being paid? Threatened? I don't understand how so many are falling for this shit.
Very well stated. I’ve just been spamming that our church is built on the sand of social justice rather than rock of God’s Truth. Also, tired of the weak pussy skinny jean wearing pastor in his 20’s trying to preach to anyone. It’s such a joke.
Milquetoast is the brand. Woke is the disease.
Jesus speaking in Matthew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
The word of God (the bible) is frequently referred to as a “sword”.
The shield of faith...
The helmet of salvation...
The sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
Ephesians 6:17-18
Jesus came to divide us. He said we would be persecuted for spreading his message. It was never about acceptance and "understanding".
See also: the decline of the Anglican church.
Speaking as a... I don't even know. What do you call "I consider myself Anglican, but the Anglican church no longer Anglican"? Former Anglican I suppose. Heartbreaking, but pretending otherwise does not help.
The Anglican church has been progressively removing said formalities, dumbing things down, and abandoning the tenets of their faith, all in the pursuit of appealing to current trends.
And yes, you are absolutely correct that appealing to the masses tends to lead to short-term popularity.
There are Anglican parishes out there that are resisting this trend, but are few and far between, and rapidly shrinking to boot. The Anglican church as a whole has been taking the (highly effective, sadly) approach of not fighting things too hard, just waiting until priests die and replacing them with more "progressive" ones.
I'm in the same boat. I miss the comfort of the liturgy.
Fortunately there's the Daily Office and since it's just me, I can follow Rite I all I want.
Very true. Once you leave the standard, it's easy to fall for lies.
And just like in the "education" system this had been steady regression away from truth for the last several decades
Incompetence in church leadership is rampant. For some reason, no one ever thinks pastors need to be vetted before they start talking about the most important thing you're supposed to hear all week.
We always had trial periods, and never hesitated to tell people to get lost. Then again, the latest group gave in to the tyrants, so . . .
Could also be brainwashing. There's a lot of weak minded people in this country, and they're easy to control with fear and lies.
I know a lot of church people who have always been concerned with being cool, and these are the same people who are spewing the Satanic doctrines. If they rode a fixed gear bike in the 00's, odds are their doctrine isn't sound. If they always are on the up and up with fashion, odds are their message is likewise focused on worldly things.
Wouldn't have thought it applied to people already going against the usual, but I guess everyone's breaking point is different.
Paid. It's always about the money. Maybe they have a couple of libs in the congregation who reward them heavily for preaching 'correctly'.
So shortsighted and evil.
Faced that myself. I don't know if he was a lib, but he was definitely a sociopath who controllex the congregation with fear and money and drove out pastors for 30 years with his preaching demands.
I just wish I know why the district sent me there when it was an obvious pastor killing congregation.
Ok, time to have a sermon bidding war. Let the market decide. Highest bidder submits bullet points for next sunday's homily.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It's like watching people being taken over by aliens. My old church is now so far off in left field I wonder if they will survive, grateful my new one has thus far stayed grounded.
I'm so sick and tired of seeing churches with the LGBT rainbow, or the BLM fist.
Christ, these are fucking churches!
I’ve never heard a pastor say homosexuality is a sin. They are too afraid to repeat what the Bible says. I stopped hearing abortion was wrong easily a few years ago. I stopped attending church altogether roughly a year and a half ago. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t really like groups because they seem to always get tainted.
They're not, though. They are more of Satan's traps.
Don't leave quietly. Let the people you know at that church exactly why you are leaving.
Sorry friend, maybe you have like minded people their and you can leave in mass.
if a sermon isn't about Jesus first, last, middle, it's a bad sermon.
Ugh on social justice pastors. Ugh, I say.
Critical Theory and Christianity are not compatible- since they state the problem and solution differently. Problem= mankind is equally guilty of sin, mankind equally made in Gods image
ProBleM: The group with hegemony is the oppressor, and the groups not in power are the oppressed.
Solution: we equally all need Jesus for salvation
SolUtIon: we need to liberate the oppressed and share the hegemony with the ones not in power... (then when there is a new power there will be new oppressors which we will need to liberate ad nauseum)
Very good post. This IS the "compatibility" problem!
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you make a big stink before you leave to make sure they know how stupid they sound.
I’m already thinking up the email I want to send him. Statistics of how more white people by cops than blacks, send him the video of the white man who was on his knees and shot dead by the cops when he was virtually no threat, send him the link of Nick Cannon calling white people savages and animals and where he DIDNT apologize for it , send him links to the two NAACP People (separate incidents) that lies about the cops being racist and then body cam footage showed that they weren’t....there’s fucking tons of evidence of racism by blacks against whites, yet all I ever hear of is white against black.
Just some food for thought from someone who has worked in churches and seen this situation a few times, instead of writing a letter with political commentary, you should consider only giving biblical verses supporting your decision to leave and why you think he's wrong.
Ultimately, this is a biblical and spiritual matter about the body of Christ, you should be able to make a case without debating the merits of a political position.
You want links to send to your pastor...I got links. Been saving links since all this started popping off.
Love the name. Please post links.
Blm spits on black man https://mobile.twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1284743091862347776
White man in Cincinnati attacked https://mobile.twitter.com/AldoRossi75/status/1282367972607176704
BLM burns american flag https://mobile.twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1275632797198286851
BLM cofounder admits BLM movement is marxist https://mobile.twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1273739801464725504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Frising
Girls sister dead because of protester shot her https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267669928187813894?s=20
Girl has gun pointed at her https://mobile.twitter.com/NFrechen/status/1267968108314099714
Done with your Bullshit hypocrisy https://mobile.twitter.com/SydneyLWatson/status/1275112734661754881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Frising
David Dorn https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA-V_VxAe-5/?igshid=cvqexr2nhe4n
8 year old black girl killed by BLM https://mobile.twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1279823830320427008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1279823830320427008%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fp%2FGISdX23B%2Fthe-fucking-bullshit-has-to-end-%2Fc%2F
Officer Dia "tell my family I Love Them. https://mobile.twitter.com/Bino_APD/status/1279352419084832768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1279352419084832768%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Frising
Black Sheriff with Don Lemon https://mobile.twitter.com/TONYxTWO/status/1269600112310919171
Black Lives Matter Flyer In CHAZ https://mobile.twitter.com/psychosis66/status/1274340485210005505
Man shot to death washing car because he was white https://mobile.twitter.com/NYScanner/status/1274497187456659457
Cop shooting at ATL Wendys https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&feature=emb_title&v=hnRuWcgflaE
Drunk driver fights cops on side of highway...shootout https://mobile.twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1273399839938752512
Black woman calls BLM fake https://youtu.be/8_csjVdJI3Q
Univ. Georgia Prof. Says whites need to die https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/white-people-may-die-black-communities-made-whole-far-left-uga-teaching-assistant-black-lives-matter-movement/
White Man Kicked out of CHAZ...for being white https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&feature=emb_title&v=qC9gwJjcYT4
Grocery shopping in looted store https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=MwmMlSbIlRY
BLM Digging Up Soldiers Graves https://thedcpatriot.com/outrage-as-remains-of-soldiers-from-revolutionary-and-civil-war-are-dug-up-and-spilled-throughout-historic-cemetery/
Stop spreading your coronavirus while beimg called an uncle tom https://streamable.com/mb03y5
Antifa Girl Arrested by unmarked police https://mobile.twitter.com/informed_news/status/1270438610693525504
Los Angeles: Homicides Soared 250%, Shootings 56%, During Protest Week https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/06/09/los-angeles-homicides-soared-250-shootings-56-during-protest-week
I'll definitely look at these and pick out a few of them to send!
Great list! Thanks, and keep it growing. The world is now a Goldmine for this stuff.
These are just links I have kept because I am in College for Criminal Justice. I know once classes start again, we will be disecting the crap out of all of this. So I figured I would just bring these links up for when the discussions in the classroom start. Probably will be hated but I dont care. These are the events that happened.
It’ll be a tall order, but try to keep it relatively short as it’ll be more effective this way and more likely to be read. I don’t blame you though, don’t give them another penny. Very small churches with an older congregation seem to be the last refuge, sad.
This is what I am finding also. I go to a medium sized church and it started ucking hard after George Floyd. Now I'm considering changing to the oldest and smallest church in town that has a dying congregation to avoid the wokeness. I also know my money would make a difference to them whereas the other church has more money than they know what to do with.
How about this: in the history of humanity there has never been a country with opportunity like ours. EVERYBODY is privileged and yet there is great division because people are envious and covet more privilege.
Good I hope you tear into him and let him know how UNGODLY the whole white fragility BS is.
You can't worship where you feel out of step with the church head. It places an undue strain on your relationship with God.
There are many many choices out there. You will find the one that you feel comfortable in.
Here's a homework assignment - there is an early Christian text written in the first century (just as the text that make up the New Testament). It's called the Didache. It's essentially a kind of first century manual for new Christians in a community area that need to establish a church body. It was copied by scribes down until about the 4th century.
It's made up of different thematic sections. One of those sections goes over tenets of Christian morality and ethics (i.e., what Christians in the first century thought about these matters).
Every Christian should read the Didache and be familiar with this, because you will see pretty much all the morality issues that we're dealing with today were going on in the Hellenistic Roman Empire of the first century, and Christians took a position.
You'll see things addressed like:
The church started from these moral precepts in the first century. If you see any church, any denomination deviating from them, caving in on them today, that should be regarded as loudly clanging alarm bell to wake up to what is going on.
The Ancient Church still exists.
Eastern Orthodox people worship the same way they did 1000 years ago.
Thanks for bringing the Didache to my attention.
I found a couple links, but can you help identify the section that mentions pederasty? Thanks in advance.
http://www.thedidache.com/
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
Here is a translation from the Greek from a scholar that is very expert in the Greek of that era, that pertains to the bullet items I listed:
When I did the search "pederasty definition" this is the top listing that came up:
ped•er•as•ty n. Unnatural carnal union of males with males, especially boys. n. Sexual activity between two males; sodomy; the “crime against nature“; -- used especially when one partner is a boy. n. Erotic love, sexually expressed or chaste, between a man and an adolescent boy.
Thank you, I appreciate the answer. With the information you gave, I have found this in support.
http://facsimiliter.com/Documents/DidacheIlnr.htm
You might be wondering if the phrase "do not abort a fetus" is really an accurate translation. Here is what the scholar that did this translation has to say when asked that question:
Didache and the Church Fathers to the rescue.
Warning though to the non-Catholics/Orthodox out there: these writings can call a lot of things into question.
Glad I go to the right church lol. My pastor is right on target with his sermons lately. Calling out marxist, anti American indoctrination in the name of "social justice". Calling out the perversions of modern media, the fear mongering and overreach of elected officials, and the need for us to stick together as a community instead of being torn apart by false victimhood and hateful tribalism.
Good stuff. Hope you find a better church or have enough people on your side to call the pastor out.
You do not need a church to have a relationship with Jesus.
Totally agree. I just enjoy going to church and hearing about God and Jesus :)
I think perhaps you could just be going to the wrong church. It's terrible that you may have to leave a community with people you know and care about. I try to keep in perspective that once the priest, pastor or basically whomever begin pushing their own spin on politics and religion, it's time to leave. It's in our best interests to figure it out for ourselves. I'm not comfortable with someone telling me how I should feel. (Also, I never get to talk to people about this so it's nice to see that I'm not crazy.)
When was the last time you took communion in remembrance of Jesus as he instructed us to?
I stopped going to church completely and I don’t think I’ll ever return. It’s too much of a virtue signal to attend. People don’t ever want to hangout, they just want to shake your hand at the beginning and then never speak to you again. The teachings are becoming more leftist and there’s an underbelly of trying to be cool and hip to attract new people. The country club vibe of it just bothers me as I get older.
The conundrum there is a swath of incompetent leadership drove away a lot of the young generations over the last 20 years and now that the leadership is even more incompetent, they're trying to bring them back by being libtarded. Protestantism in america is committing suicide, not being attacked or infected.
Great point. They are trying so hard to mimic social media trends to appeal to leftists. They just can’t seem to recognize that leftists are degenerates by and large. This is especially true for the younger ones so it’s another satanic inversion.
This is the correct response
Forsake not the assembly of the saints . . . if you can find one.
"Do this in memory of me."
I don't need to do that.
Hmmmmm....
"The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth."
I don't need no church.
Hmmmmmm....
It's worth a shot to try to inform him of where he's gone wrong, he might change his mind once he's shown that BLM is an anti-christian, anti-family, communist cult.
Before you leave, you should call him out on it and tell him that because of his political espousing, he’s lost a congregant.
You can always study the bible with a group of friends. Organized religion is eminently corruptible.
Unless it's protected by God from corruption...
"You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Jesus organized a group of people (a church) and gave them authority, promising that hell would never overtake them. He also sent out an authorized group of disciples and said "he who hears you hears me."
So at least some organized religion would seem to be incorruptible.
In this new life, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbaric, uncivilized, slave, or free. Christ is all that matters, and he lives in all of us. Colossians 3:11
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
What good is salt when it loses its saltiness?
Does he want to please men or God? If he wants to please men then he isn’t a servant of Christ.
Sacrificing the truth for acceptance may make him feel good but it doesn’t help anyone.... as Sowell said: if you want to help someone tell them what they need to hear. If you want to help yourself, tell them what they want to hear.
My husband and I watched a very good webcast about christianity and critical theory (wokeness) yesterday. Basically about how people fall into the wokeness trap and some ways to counter it. I think it would be worth your time. I know it's long, and the dude's lighting is terrible. But the analysis is solid and it's interesting not boring.
https://youtu.be/Kie9r89naF0
I have followed Beth Moore for years and done several of her studies. To my knowledge she has always been rock-solid in both the word and other issues. The only issue I saw with her pertaining to Trump is she was upset by the "grab em by the pussy" tape since she was molested as a child...but Beth as a raving anti-Trump loon? I didn't find anything on her having a breakdown specifically as it related to Trump getting elected. You wouldn't happen to have a source?
Can you give me any more info on her reeeee?
My pastor and I got into a debate and he brought her name up, and I would like more info to bash her.
LCMS could use more members and pastors willing to preach the Word and live it! The leftists are trying HARD to infiltrate and we need every hand to push back that we can muster.
Absolutely agree. They were the ones who got the Catholic church to give up the idea of purgatory, which is non biblical.
They teach bible and biblical. They stick very close to the warnings of Martin Luther. They are trying to be 'hip' here and there it is very cringe. They should stick to their already good formula. It does not need to be tweaked much if at all. Every time I go I can get something from the lesson they teach. Every time.
I cannot recommend highly enough a LCMS church.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/274/pg274.html
Sacrificing yourself to others is by choice. Commanded by the church and not God is close to exactly what the reformation was about. You can not buy favor with God you are sinful being condemned to hell. Only by his grace are you free from it.
If choosing a new church look for the warnings of Martin Luther. If they fail at a good amount of these things you should not join. They will attempt to lead you astray from God and back to the world.
One 'church' near me took down their cross to be inclusive, painted their doors in rainbow colors (not because of Gods promise), and call themselves a spiritual center. That is unfortunately no longer a church. I am sure their message of inclusiveity and helping each other is grand and all. But I am sorry they no longer walk with God.
That is the dying church I am considering joining if my pastor doesnt drop this woke talk he has just started.
The average age there is probably 70. I dont think they would put up with any of that shit. My only concern is that the pastor and his wife adopted an asian child. Possibly a red flag.
I’ve had that happen before. Sometimes the evil doctrines of the world can taint us, and we need each other to hold us up, hold us accountable, and help us stand back up when we stumble!
Glad I go to the right church lol. My pastor is right on target with his sermons lately. Calling out marxist, anti American indoctrination in the name of "social justice". Calling out the perversions of modern media, the fear mongering and overreach of elected officials, and the need for us to stick together as a community instead of being torn apart by false victimhood and hateful tribalism.
Good stuff. Hope you find a better church or have enough people on your side to call the pastor out.
Is he giving up his job as a pastor? Is he selling his house and giving the money to those that are not "privileged"? These people either need to lead by example or shut up. Want to see a perfect example of a leftest who "cares" about "minorities"? Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2aY9G1awVw where acosta asks for the president to call on a female reporter AFTER HE gets to ask his questions. He is giving up nothing.
Here go fren: https://www.youtube.com/c/RealLifeJackHibbs
I second Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel Chino Hills). Dude has great discernment, puts everything through a Biblical lens, and has the courage to speak truth. Definitely an anointed Pastor. Plus he's extremely knowledgeable in worldly topics, history, and America.
Don't leave.
Fight
I’ll definitely say something, but I have yet to convince a leftist to quit being an idiot. I never was good in debate class.
Start small. Find someone else who disagrees.
Has nothing to do with your debating skills. It is not possible to convince leftists to quit being idiots. Leftism is a cult.
Our Pastor talked about how California is oppressing the churches by not allowing them to sing, and told us to vote accordingly. Then he passed out voter registration cards! Find yourself a based pastor they are out there!
Yep. I hear nothing about how Christianity is being oppressed, I hear nothing about the importance of fathers in the homes, but I’m hearing plenty about so called racism now.
501c3 status comes with strings. There's been pastors/priests who've come out before saying how they were told to say certain things.
Edit: most cases, it's not that direct. Publications from higher offices often have articles about stuff like this, which then trickles down to sermons.
Exactly this, not only that but some of these denominations are dictating what your pastor preaches on each week.
The church in the US is the church of the dollar, not Christ.
It's so sad to hear that our churches are being compromised and diluted by worldly corruption.
One of my friends once told me that before he joined any new congregation, he made an appointment with the pastor/priest to speak about doctrine and social issues. He is also a Baptist.
If there are no other Baptist church around you, Eastern Rite/Latin Rite Catholic, conservative Lutheran, and any Orthodox churches are worth investigating.
Galatians 1:8
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Pastors are there to preach Christ Crucified, the Redeemer of Sinners, and all things concerning Him and His work and His person. Your (now former) pastor is treading dangerous ground.
Had to leave our church of 8 years because of this same thing. I searched local churches online and watched their sermons, I found a bold and courageous church that was open while all the rest were closed. For the 4th they had a massive American flag and we sang the star spangled banner and the pledge of allegiance. Revival is needed in our country, I'll be praying for you!
I'm a big fan of Orthodox. A few differences that keep me from being in communion with them, but they mostly seem to have their heads on straight.
Sounds like "Our Lady of the Perpetual Cuck"
You should confront him.
Find some common ground and then try talking to him about the facts.
Keep up the faith. Blacks have it no better anywhere in the world. They are their own worst enemy in the US. Just compare American blacks vs Nigerians.
I just compared American blacks to Nigerians in Nigeria. What difference am I supposed to find?
Half the people live less than $2/day
The US state department warns to avoid travel there due to high crime.
The average IQ is 84.
Sounds like the average black neighborhood in the USA to me.
That was my bad. I meant Nigerian immigrants to the US happen to make more on average than blacks in the US and are slightly beneath the average income of whites. It's a strange disparity that those who preach white privilege must ignore. Why are they more successful? They haven't been propgandized by black culture and cultural Marxism.
They are not representative of average Nigerians. Just like Indian women in the US earn more than the average white male. This is because Indian women in the US are usually the best educated India has to offer, and in India, they are statistical outliers.
I'd have gotten up and walked out in the middle of the sermon