New law banning confederate flag at military bases also bans pride flags. NICE
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What's sauce for the Goose is sauce for the intersectional gender spectrum anatomical gander.
This is a perfect comment.
Wow, thank you!
That's so woke in language and base in thought process I've been brought to a state of bliss.
I regret I have but one upvote to give. As previously noted, perfect!
Thank you!
As someone in the military I’m so good with this
Thank you for your service!
It’s a pleasure serving this GREAT NATION. And as a lover of the 80s, I’m fully prepared to spill commie blood while we have the greatest economic time in history.
I have an image somewhere of a freedom fighter from Europe who was asked how it felt to kill humans beings. He said "I don't know; I've only killed communists."
Rafał Ganowicz. He spent his whole life fighting communists after both his parents were killed.
I love him already.
I gotta think banning political flags/banners is good for unit morale. It’s a naturally divisive topic, and these days passions are as devout as ever. The flags only serve as a perpetual invitation to openly discuss said banner, or whatever it may represent. Not a good way to instill unity.
Lmao! That’s great.
The only flags that should be flying at/on military/government property are the flag of the nation and/or state, and the individual unit/group's flag.
I agree. I've got mixed feelings about the confederate flag. On one hand it's become a symbol of the South and that's all it really means to most people who fly it. On the other, it is literally the flag of a former enemy of the United States.
Either way it doesn't belong on a military base or government buildings.
it's not the official flag of the CSA but rather one of the battle flags. i wouldn't call that literally the flag of the enemy. close but no cigar IMO.
besides, you could make the same argument about many different Indian insignia and imagery- they were also literally the enemy of the United States in many contexts. in fact many of the prominent tribes were part of the confederacy. same rules apply to them? or what about mexico, spain or canada for example, we've been at war with them as well. i'm not asking about the military base Q but rather "do you consider these to be 'enemy flags' when you see them?"
I think people should stop being pussies and we should be allowed to fly whatever the fuck flag we want on private property.
I also think that government buildings should only fly official flags.
It’s pretty simple.
I agree with this. I was just sticking up for the rebel flag in the context of the "we shouldn't honor traitors" argument (which IMO is both lazy and inaccurate). I remember this making the rounds when the state confederate flag bans started to pick up steam 8-10 years ago.
Considering the flag is the battle flag of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, that "traitor" they are talking about was Lincoln's first pick to head the Union Army.
Bit of a self-own if you ask me.
Not that they are correct. Robert E. Lee was a patriot and loved this country.
Anyone that says different is an historically ignorant, lying whore.
I couldn't agree more. There are other specific confederates who also deserve respect and honor as well, not to mention the soldiers who were mostly just poor farm boys.
so we should ban all non-US flags that have been in wars and lost against the US? seems like a pretty draconian thing to do and also pretty anti-free speech.
there's no reason to vilify the confederates who fought and they fought under the rebel flag that is now the defacto "confederate flag" despite it not really being that.
On military bases? Yes.
in the context of banning all flags? i agree. because the confederate flag is somehow verboten because "they fought the united states" (which is a debatable statement)? i don't agree.
that's what i'm arguing. we don't look at a st. george flag or spanish flag or mexican flag and say "hey those guys should live in disgrace forever" because we beat them in a war or two. people pick on the rebel flag unnecessarily, especially in this context.
To me it’s more an issue of ensuring that we treat the US flag with due reverence than it is about shaming another flag.
from the above quote "it's an obvious symbol of the losing coalition." my point is if the logic to ban the rebel flag (by the person above) is that they lost a war w/ the US, I don't see the difference between that flag and any other war flag of an enemy. this is not my logic but rather following someone else's.
and we're not arguing what should or shouldn't be allowed on US bases, we are arguing this on a free speech/what's offensive standpoint. his rationale was "hey the confederates were our enemies and they lost" which i think it pretty weak
Learn your history. The south wanted to peacefully secede and made many attempts to do so. So it's not entirely a question of a nation that "stood against the US in war" but rather a battle over the right to secede. This was far from a settled question at the time.
Second, your personal feelings re: the "confederate flag" are immaterial. So are mine, BTW. Let's work with facts only. The facts are this: it's not the CSA flag but the "rebel" flag, it's not racist (as you admit), and people fly it for a VARIETY of reasons. Those are the facts.
The fact that the confederates lost is not important either. In fact, if they had won we probably wouldn't be having this conversation would we? Think about what you are saying. The fact that the north won and the Union was preserved also meant that the south was mostly destroyed in the process. Roughly 1/3 confederate soldiers died. I don't think it was weird that we honored their valiant fighting and sacrifice. Some sacrificed because they believed in the cause, others had no choice and others fought for different reasons. Again, a VARIETY of reasons caused people to fight for the south. Many people saw themselves as citizens of their own states first and the Union second, which is the same reason so many northerners were NEUTRAL on the war, at least for the first few years of fighting.
I'll ask you one question: if there was a "Union" flag would you fly that? Would that make you a good person? I only ask this because obviously the Union army were not on a peace keeping mission and in fact were often quite brutal to both their enemies and their own soldiers. What about Union generals who went on to brutalize Indians in the following decades?
You have a relatively cartoonish understanding of the Civil War as do most people. I encourage you to open your mind and do some more research before you go around espousing such harsh views of your fellow countrymen. You aren't being rational and you aren't being fair in your assessments. Your assumptions aren't based on facts but on feelings and they are way over the top in terms of your conclusions.
I would hardly call opening fire on Fort Sumter and forcing the surrender of Union troops an attempt to peacefully secede.
The people most upset about it have never seen that, and would probably go into a NPC blue screen of death mentally if they did actually had to interact with someone thus.
And I say that as someone in the South, but perhaps not of the South, who’s never flown a Confederate flag, but “get it”.
The CSA wasn't an enemy, per se. People need to understand that back then, people identified more with their state than with the country. They were Georgians, Virginians, New Yorkers first. The South was still a bastion of people who identifies with the Anti-Federalists. That's why they created a confederation of states such as that which existed under the Articles of Confederation.
People really didn't start identifying as Americans first until around WWI.
This seems to be the crux of virtually every misunderstanding over history. We're caught up in this myopic idea that history must be analyzed through the lens of the current time rather than the context of the time in which that history was made.
It's unnerving but not at all surprising given that history isn't properly taught at any grade level and some college students can't even figure out what gender they are by looking at the label attached between their legs.
The confederates were not the enemy, the federal government was the enemy. The confederacy would have never even been necessary if it wasn’t for big government over reach and the civil war should have never taken place to begin with. Look at Chicago, Baltimore and all the other inner cities and ask yourself if this was worth the deaths of 500k Americans.
Is this a joke? The Confederates were not the enemy? They opened fire on the union first. They forced the initial surrender of union troops.
What big government overreach? Electing a Republican president? Lincoln was initially against the further spread of slavery into the western territories. That's hardly an overreach. He didn't truly attempt to abolish slavery until at least the Emancipation Proclamation, when the war was already well underway.
If inner cities suggest that the war wasn't worth it, what are you suggesting? That the union should have allowed the Confederacy to secede and keep people enslaved for as long as possible, despite being attacked by the Confederacy first?
https://www.al.com/opinion/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html
Going by what your high school history book taught you is equivalent to watching CNN.
That article is misleading to say the least. The Confederacy primarily seceded based on slavery. That's not to say there weren't other underlying causes as well, but it was started over a Republican (anti-slavery party) president being elected.
The North initially fought to preserve the Union. But this eventually transformed into a full-blown goal of ending slavery.
The fact that Lincoln, a politician dealing with the threat of and eventual fact of war, gave equivocating speeches on the issue of slavery doesn't change this fact. President Trump has equivocated on issues at times to avoid outrage and maintain diplomacy (look at his handling of North Korea recently).
I don't think they were all that united at the time.
No more water, the fire next time.
Drought lol
They didn't get to that point in Sunday school. Some churches even omit revelation.
I like 4chan's take on the rainbow flag: It's a symbol of racial purity, every color separate but equal.
Almost as good as their "It's OK to be white" and "Islam Is Right About Women" slogans.
Good... when you live on a military base, you give up a tiny amount of freedom to fly whatever flag you want in exchange for living in a protected area. Anyone who lives on one should remember that they are representing the military. If I was the SecDef and I was being driven through a base neighborhood and saw rows of confederate flags or pride flags, I'd think it was distasteful either way. Same goes for campaign flags and sports team flags - sorry folks. Only American flags and state flags should be flown on base.
When I lived on a military base, I was glad to have the US flag flying high over the parade field, and remember everything coming to a halt (including traffic) for Retreat (lowering of the flag).
We didn’t need any other flags, other than unit flags, which of course were subordinate to, not in competition with, the US flag.
Hey liberals....this is why we can't have nice things, because your incessant whining fucks things up for everybody, even you.
The civil war was a civil war. It was a war between family. It was quite literally brother against brother, father against son, family against family. When the civil war ended, national leadership focused on reconciliation and reconstruction. They did not attempt to hang every member of the confederacy. It was well understood that both sides had their reasons. One side won that is what decided it.
What's happening now is that our country is packed with new immigrants and people who are ignorant of our history. They're coming into the situation late and trying to tell us that we should rehash an old fight. The Confederate flag should never disappear from America. And it's not the same thing as a gay pride flag, a swastika flag, or anything to do with the KKK.
Correct, it is a historical flag and the meaning behind it needs to be taught.
no confederate leaders were ever tried for treason
not only because of Lincoln ,but because there was never a law against seceding from the USA
Actually, as I understand it, it was because Johnson pardoned all of them.
I think it was both
President Johnson holds the record for the most pardons of any US President, I believe. It was over 7,000 pardons, as I remember.
Ban overt political flags period. The military MUST remain a neutral force in America.
Tell that to the commie CO's Obama put in power.
Go look at the /r/military, /r/army, /r/airforce and /r/navy subreddits. The US military is HUGELY filled with leftist Marxist faggots.
Thats just reddit in general.
....no that's just Reddit. Stop looking at Reddit as though it resembles anything close to a representation of the United States.
I grew up a military brat and know lots of vets and military. If they're not outright Republican, they are usually not interested in politics at all. A very small minority are leftists.
I wouldn’t worry too much about what some “I served 6 years in the Air Force” fruit says on Reddit. He’s probably a liar.
I can confirm from hearsay. A friend joined the navy and is surrounded by leftists - at the officer level.
Fair trade.
Good. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with a country's or state's flags. If I have a thing for big-tittied women in French maid outfits, do I get to demand my own flag reflecting that and have it flown above military bases?
I like this. No reason to fly any flag but national, state, base/station flag
Should apply to every government building
Good.
Good.
Total fair. This is how you handle equal opportunity under the law.
But...here's a question:
What happens when a military base in the state of Mississippi or a soldier from the state of Mississippi wants to fly the state flag of Mississippi?
Hrmmm. 🤔
It's the state flag, and has been since 1893. Should be flown as any other state flag is flown.
The only flags there should be the American flag, the state the base is in, and any kind of signal flags the military still uses. No place for other flags imo.
I know the POGs are mad.
PLEASE BE TRUE
I agree with this.
Good.
The only flags that should be flown on military bases are the American flag, and the flags of all 50 states when permitted.
The fact that someone would suggest showing the rainbow flag is beyond disrespectful to the military and the constitution in which they protect.
Ohhhh mannnn that's an awesome new way to argue with leftists!!
Sooo did you hear they banned the confederate flag at military bases?
Yeah! Fuckin right! Awesome!
Yeah, they banned the pride flag too
<jaw drop>
then just ignore them from there.
I was wondering about this when they first announced it. glad someone figured it out.
I'll take it.
Frankly, the USA military is no place for CSA flags. It's also no place for divisive flags like the gay pride flag.
Confederate flag is freedom of speech.
So "no step on tank" flags for armored core. Sadness, though..
Id rather the people who man the military stick the to stars and stripes and they're corresponding branch and unit stuff.
You're there to kill America's adversaries and be thanked eternally for it. Time for other things on leave.
And thank you. 07
Pikachu face
Well I feel a whole lot better now!
Is that Tammy Duckworth? Is she the one behind this? I'd think not but it's odd to see her up there.
Good, if you’re going to ban flags with political connotations then just be consistent.
I can accept this compromise
I'm fine with this as long as people can hang their own flags in their private quarters.
Perfect. Only 2 flags should be allowed. American Flag and Branch of Service flag. That is it.
Greatest country on earth, you should be damned proud to serve.
Literally everyone in the military hates gay males and trannies. Lesbians exceptions because hot.
Lesbians are popular in the military?
They are popular everywhere anon
Good, the rule should be all or nothing.
That’s fair.
In Canada, official policy is to remove the Canadian flag and to fly the rainbow and the transformers flags.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/14-wing-greenwood-raises-transgender-flag-for-first-time-1.5625786
I can only find articles on this, and not the specific order. But I hope the order, instead of banning specific things, I hope it bans everything and only approves specific things (such as the flag of the US, state, or any other local/group military flag.
Because the left could just come up with some other bullshit flag and use that. Might as well just preemptively block everything except the only ones we need.
Do they ban the possession or flying on base housing or just on the official government flagpoles?
im ok with this. Only the american flag belongs
Great! If you're in the military your only allegiance should be to the country of which you serve
Fair enough
But muh Marxism pride flag posing as equal rights bullshit
LGB is not a fucking country or state, shouldn't be flags anywhere of that kind, except in their own homes.
Double win!