New law banning confederate flag at military bases also bans pride flags. NICE
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The only flags that should be flying at/on military/government property are the flag of the nation and/or state, and the individual unit/group's flag.
I agree. I've got mixed feelings about the confederate flag. On one hand it's become a symbol of the South and that's all it really means to most people who fly it. On the other, it is literally the flag of a former enemy of the United States.
Either way it doesn't belong on a military base or government buildings.
it's not the official flag of the CSA but rather one of the battle flags. i wouldn't call that literally the flag of the enemy. close but no cigar IMO.
besides, you could make the same argument about many different Indian insignia and imagery- they were also literally the enemy of the United States in many contexts. in fact many of the prominent tribes were part of the confederacy. same rules apply to them? or what about mexico, spain or canada for example, we've been at war with them as well. i'm not asking about the military base Q but rather "do you consider these to be 'enemy flags' when you see them?"
I think people should stop being pussies and we should be allowed to fly whatever the fuck flag we want on private property.
I also think that government buildings should only fly official flags.
It’s pretty simple.
I agree with this. I was just sticking up for the rebel flag in the context of the "we shouldn't honor traitors" argument (which IMO is both lazy and inaccurate). I remember this making the rounds when the state confederate flag bans started to pick up steam 8-10 years ago.
so we should ban all non-US flags that have been in wars and lost against the US? seems like a pretty draconian thing to do and also pretty anti-free speech.
there's no reason to vilify the confederates who fought and they fought under the rebel flag that is now the defacto "confederate flag" despite it not really being that.
The people most upset about it have never seen that, and would probably go into a NPC blue screen of death mentally if they did actually had to interact with someone thus.
And I say that as someone in the South, but perhaps not of the South, who’s never flown a Confederate flag, but “get it”.
The CSA wasn't an enemy, per se. People need to understand that back then, people identified more with their state than with the country. They were Georgians, Virginians, New Yorkers first. The South was still a bastion of people who identifies with the Anti-Federalists. That's why they created a confederation of states such as that which existed under the Articles of Confederation.
People really didn't start identifying as Americans first until around WWI.
This seems to be the crux of virtually every misunderstanding over history. We're caught up in this myopic idea that history must be analyzed through the lens of the current time rather than the context of the time in which that history was made.
It's unnerving but not at all surprising given that history isn't properly taught at any grade level and some college students can't even figure out what gender they are by looking at the label attached between their legs.
The confederates were not the enemy, the federal government was the enemy. The confederacy would have never even been necessary if it wasn’t for big government over reach and the civil war should have never taken place to begin with. Look at Chicago, Baltimore and all the other inner cities and ask yourself if this was worth the deaths of 500k Americans.
Is this a joke? The Confederates were not the enemy? They opened fire on the union first. They forced the initial surrender of union troops.
What big government overreach? Electing a Republican president? Lincoln was initially against the further spread of slavery into the western territories. That's hardly an overreach. He didn't truly attempt to abolish slavery until at least the Emancipation Proclamation, when the war was already well underway.
If inner cities suggest that the war wasn't worth it, what are you suggesting? That the union should have allowed the Confederacy to secede and keep people enslaved for as long as possible, despite being attacked by the Confederacy first?
https://www.al.com/opinion/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html
Going by what your high school history book taught you is equivalent to watching CNN.
I don't think they were all that united at the time.