Not just TV, a few months ago I was reading some of my old Shazam comic books that I had in my room and in an issue from 1998/99 (I can't remember which) Mary Marvel mentions being a Republican to Bill Clinton and the first thing I thought was "If this was published today Mary would be talking with Hillary about the patriarchy and how she's stuck being Captain Marvel's sidekick"
Yeah. Obviously there was intentional Marxist infiltration of all forms of media but a big part of why comics went right in the crapper is because you have communists who go to some art school and fucking suck ass whether its at trying to be a screenwriter or some sort of artist, and then they feel enraged when they have to "settle" for work in the comics industry. You listen to these people who produce comics now and all they can do is talk about how much they hate comic books and especially fans of comic books.
It isn't just the writing quality that has dropped off a cliff with the baffling clusterfuck that is the hamfisted attempt to constantly interject Marxist mindrot into the stories of comic books, but the art is a far cry from even 20 years ago too.
edit: I just wanted to add this for people who don't read comic books and may not have seen it. This is a literal, actual, real fucking comic book from the last few years.
This is unbelievable. I used to be so into comic books when I was a kid. Both the links in regards to drawing ability are unbelievable. The Spider-Man one - I can’t even figure out wtf is going on with is body. And that’s the real text in the second one?! In the panel where he’s saying “MRA slurs” etc?!
Do you have more examples of comic books going to shit?
It's the same with kid's cartoons. Look at the artwork quality steadily decline since the 90's/early 2000's. Marvel and DC have gone to hell in a hand basket. There are still amazing artists out there making great comic books though - EVS and Comicsgate artists. Check them out.
The creators of "Family Ties" and MJ Fox were all real-life lefties who intended the Alex character as a sarcastic tweak of 80s conservatism (the younger Alex supposedly carried his school meals in a Richard Nixon lunchbox), but then when the show and character got embraced into a phenomenon, they rode that gravy train irony to the bank.
EVEN BIGGER was upper-middle-class black urban wholesomeness of The Cosby Show, THE biggest 80s TV success story - the #1-highest rated series 5 years in a row!!! (and remained in the Top 20 all the way til its finale). When the creators of Family Matters, Fresh Prince etc. pitched their ideas to the networks, everybody was hoping to cash-in on the proven formula for what audiences craved.
Yeah but he was supposed to be a counter to the leftiness of the rest of the Keaton family. The story was that the parents were ex-hippies who were now settling down. They'd passed on the torch to the annoying younger sister, but Alex had gone the other way and was right wing. He was supposed to be sort of the villian, but it quickly became clear that Alex was the crowd favourite beyond all the lefties.
They would call it 'gentrification' and 'internalized whiteness' or some shit, and claim the whole thing was a plot by whitey to 'remove their blackness' and that it made us all more racist by making us color blind.
And sadly, I'm not making any of that shit up for shits and giggles. That's what identity politics teaches the children of us 90s kids.
i honestly which more people would start calling out these fucking Anti-Racist hacks like Kendi. Those fucks are the true racists, because all they do is think about peoples race and how it might have impacted their life.
Unfortunately, in real life too. Alfonso Ribeiro's always had a financially successful TV career, but I once met him at a crowded event (wound up sitting nearby), and it seemed a little sad to see people treating him w/ scorn, like fiction had converted a human person into a permanent social pinata to be eternally mocked.
Hopefully his bank account helps the jeers roll off like water on a duck.
Yep. There were some lingering desegregation issues still occurring (I've read that Nixon did more to actually desegregate schools than any other president), but the 70s were much very supportive of blacks on TV and in music.
Unlike most modern shows those were both pretty funny as well. Smart Guy had "the dumb white friend" for the sister but the dumb friend of the two brothers was Cuba Gooding's brother.
Now I can't stand seeing token non-whites, especially in shows that should be all white because they take place in Norway and shit. It's always some dumb excuse like "Black people existed back then", or "It's a fantasy world, why can't there be black people everywhere!" But, god forbid there is a single white guy in Wakanda.
It's all just horseshit. So now, if they put a token in a show, I turn it off. I turn off a lot of shows. Don't miss it. This constant stream of entertainment is probably bad for you anyway. You should be spending that time learning a new skill to better yourself instead of rotting your life away.
I can't watch any more than a minute of a news program without going apeshit since I turned it off 3 years ago. It's just blatant lies and propaganda. You really see it when you have ended the conditioning.
I (German kid) remember watching Star Trek TNG when it aired here in the early 90s.
My favourite characters? Worf - the warrior with an honor code. Geordi - fucking genius with a visor. Data - superhuman android.
So 2/3 of my favourite characters were black. Never gave a shit about that either. They just were fucking awesome and I wanted to be like them.
And honestly that kind of thinking carried me throughout my entire childhood. If the character was awesome I loved them. Didn't care if they were white, black or asian.
Only recently that changed, when you realized a certain group constantly pushing for representation. And being successful with such pushes. It annoys me when established characters are changed.
I was annoyed in nuTrek when Spock and Uhura became a thing; not because I don't like interracial pairings, but because that was not Spock. It continued with Witcher - it's fucking slavic. There were no black slavs in the middle ages. I'm glad I'm not a superhero fan, with them changing established heroes and blackface them.
I had the same experience watching Star Trek TNG as a kid in the 90s. And I loved watching DS9 and Voyager with their diverse, cool, admirable crews. Other shows that I loved like, Power Rangers, Recess, Batman: The Animated Series, and Justice League were diverse without pandering or putting down one race or sex to prop up another.
My favorite show as a kid, Digimon, made it clear that all the main characters were Japanese. I relished the chance to see another culture that was very much the like my own, yet still different.
I would say racism was dead in the 80's. Eddie Murphy was in Beverly Hills Cop, white kids loved their black sports hero's like Bo Jackson and Michael Jordon. Nobody really even talked about race, we were all just Americans and proud of it.
A year before ID4, Bad Boys forced Hollywood to wake up to their racism.
Bad Boys was originally written for SNL comedians Dana Carvey and Jon Lovitz, and the Jewish producers and director couldn't convince the studio (Japanese-owned Sony-Columbia) to trust in the possibility of a movie about 2 heroic black cops. The budget was so low that Michael Bay had to pay for the big action finale (explosions!) out of his own personal pocket (literally writing a check).
When Bad Boys earned $140 mil around the planet, it proved to Hollywood that audiences could and would show up.
Despite all his faults, the Cosby show in the 80's also was a huge help.
Successful Dr. Huxtable was an OB-GYN, his wife was a practicing attorney. Eldest child, Sondra, went into law like her mother. Theo Huxtable grew up to be a student teacher, helping kids with dyslexia. They were raising their kids with wholesome values and teaching them to be good people.
In the reimagined version, family doesn’t matter, There will be no dad, the daughter is a stripper (hustler) and Theo will be a drug-dealing warlord. Urkel will be a tranny and will still be the comic relief.
I was a part of that generation. No white person gave a shit about race at all. If a kid was racist, or said something racist (they didn't) they weren't cool, and were shunned.
It took 40 years and Obama to finally get me to see race, and identify as white. Now I am a proud Anglo Saxon. I am well aware of the race of everyone around me, and discriminate as I please. Can't be too careful.
It all started going downhill when the term African American was introduced and became normal. It taught and suggested to black people that they are something other, like they were not really a part of this country not really Americans. It's why i will never call a black person African American. I say the 90's were the beginning of the end in terms of positive race relations in this country and Obama and his crew killed it.
saying "African American" has always sounded so odd to me, and I could never understand how anyone says it with a straight face. how many black people in the USA have any ties to Africa at all? I'm Puerto Rican and I've never been to Puerto Rico, and that's not even a different country. what are the odds that even 1% of black Americans have ever been anywhere in Africa, or have family there, or anything at all?
I was personally offended by the term when I first heard it at the age of 10 in 1988.
To me, Africans were the kids in the "Save the Children" ads that were covered with flies and starving. I knew where I lived on a map, and where Africa was, and knew for damn sure it wasnt the same place.
"Black" refers to skin color, which is very superficial. A Sub-Saharan African or Bantu is generally extremely different from a South Indian, despite both possibly having a very high amount of melanin in their skin.
It all started going downhill when Millennials took over everything.
The most entitled generation ever in the U.S. and since they can't find their "fight" because there are no wars under Trump, they gotta go and create one.
All That, Keenan and Kel, My Brother and Me, Family Matters - so on and so forth. No one seemed divided by then again we were kids, I dont' know what was going on in the rest of the world.
Another "nerd" character back then was Stevie in "Malcolm in the MIddle." I believe his family was pretty stable, at least compared to Frankie Muniz's.
Everyone's forgetting Michael Jordan (every 90's kid saying "I wanna be like Mike!" ect) + the Bulls crew, all idolized, great example of a clean, hardworking life gets you far
Michael Jackson (technically black) biggest popstar ever, idolized like crazy
The writing was fun. I particularly liked the episode multiple characters retell the same events with the "facts" warped in their favor differently. Even the butler was entertaining.
He wasn't exactly a superhero but he was definitely a super cop... it all really starts in 1971 with Richard Roundtree's "Shaft." He's a complicated man...
Loved that show! Fresh Prince too. What was not to like?😍 it was all really awesome, the equality of family values, the evidence of integrity and hard work. The messages were wonderful. They reflected hope and possibility for everyone. THAT is true America. Did seeing successful happy families of any color, lift spirits and give you a smile? They sure did. BLM has turned back the clock by 60 years or more
He'll most likely suffer historically as people may look back with disdain at the division he and the other race huskers created for their own self-interest.
Was at the beach this weekend and there were groups of white college kids blasting “music” that every other word was a cuss word. They must really hate black to be playing that in their most leisurely moments.
I’d be embarrassed to be listening to that. But I wouldn’t be embarrassed to playing some Michael Jackson or Billy Ocean.
And a great thing about these shows and movies is that they didn't just focus on skin color throughout. It wasn't even really brought up at all. These days, anything with black characters, the dialogue is all about being black.
Don’t forget the whole “men don’t support women comics”.
Carol Burnett, Lucille Ball, 9 to 5 with Lily Tomlin and Dolly Partin are fantastic in it, but it isn’t just about them being women. It’s just funny. Point is that glass ceiling is imaginary.
Even some gangster rap was different back then. Nas, Biggie, Tupac, and Coolio were self-reflective and mournful about the sorry state of their communities and the role of crime in their communities. No one can listen to the lyrics of "Gangsta's Paradise" and think that it's endorsing the lifestyle. Rap has gotten worse in a particular way; there's less emphasis on the consequences of crime and violence, and more emphasis on material goods and drug experiences.
I used to love that show. It was also nice to see Chicago portrayed in a positive light..then again, in that day Illinois wasn't run by flaming leftists.
During the 80s America had 3 primary TV networks, and the Cosby Show (NBC) was the #1 highest-rated series for 5 years straight, meaning that yes it was an across-the-board, demographic spanning popular tidal wave phenomenon. Family Matters (ABC) and Fresh Prince (NBC) cashed-in to ride the Cosby train to success.
Toward the end of the decade, Fox started a new network that was initially scoffed at, but thanks to shows like Simpsons (and the Wayans' "In Living Color" and "Martin") Fox gradually grew successful enough that other broadcast channels like WB and UPN started inching in, hoping to grab up leftover "table scrap" audience crumbs. They were aware that they'd probably never be more than #5 or #6, but they were willing to accept lesser status. A major part of the newbies' strategy was to target specific niche demographics, since a narrow aim would help maximize their limited advertising budgets.
The WB's very first show was "The Wayans Bros." quickly followed by the Jamie Foxx show, the Steve Harvey show, Sister Sister and The Parent 'Hood, while rival network UPN had "All of Us" (produced by Will Smith & Jada Pinkett) and Brandy Norwood's "Moesha." These newer networks were somewhat regarded as "ghetto" channels, and despite pumping hundreds of millions of $$$ advertising none of these later "black" shows ever came anywhere close to the diverse-appeal success of the major network hits listed earlier. (One of the WB's biggest profit machines was Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Eventually those "other" network operations decided to close, consolidate and combine into the replacement "CW" channel, which has changed its focus on youth-genre shows rather than particular ethnicity; the CW has built much of its success on comic book superhero fare.
Yup. And Huxtable was ... an obstetrician-gynecologist ... with a lawyer wife, and WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WIN WAS AWESOME. And the fresh prince was livin' in Beverly Hills with a nuclear fam, surrounded by success. Cosby scuttled his own rapey quaaluded jank, Will Smith became the racist we all used to know and love, and Ibama bin Biden scuttled the rest.
I'm not post-racial anymore; I'm anti-racist. Racists suck. Black racist also suck.
I've been saying this for ever. Like how are ghetto racist blacks able to watch Fresh Prince or Family Matters and not think to themselves "why is my family not like this and so messed up? ".
I can say the same thing for all types I get that. But there were plenty of black sitcoms and each had their own flavor. But all of them despised the druggy or gangster or typical bad guy. Yet that stereotype grew more and more and their stupidity and terrible rap culture influenced more and more?
I've been big into watching Star Trek TNG lately, and its crazy how we had a show in the 80's/90's where multiple members of the main lead cast were black, and nobody gave a shit.
The smartest guy on the show Gordi is black. The most honorable, and strongest guy on the show was Worf, also black.
There was also interracial marriages, and strong smart female leads with Bev and Deanna. There are also countless episodes where the women end up being the saviors, or the best at whatever.
AND NOBODY FUCKING CARED. It was just normal. It was normal to see a woman be a scientist. Or a black guy be a leader. How the hell did that change?
Oh wait it hasn't, the left pretends it did, so they can further their communist agenda.
Edit: Also I know Patrick Steward is a cuck, but his early portrayal of Picard is good. There is an episode where he is stuck in an elevator with kids, and 2 kids are smart, and 1 kid is a fucking idiot. He is injured and needs to convince the kids to help save them, so he gives the 2 smart kids rankings as Commander and Lieutenant so they feel confident to help. But the retard kid can't do shit but begs to be called a commander. But instead of giving him a token Commander ranking so he feels part of the group (modern day equivalent of everyone gets a trophy), he says he can be the caretaker of radishes or something because that's all the idiot did for his science project lol
I'm not sure if I would say that this is a misunderstanding of their issues. I would probably suggest that they purposefully creating confusion, especially by changing the meaning of words.
Star Trek isn't a post-scarcity meritocratic future. It's an American future. With American values. A Chinese version of the future would be more like The Three Body Problem. They don't even think the same way, they don't hold the same values. Their Utopian future is different.
Star Trek is the version of the future where the American mindset wins, and everyone decides to be one big happy family under American values.
It's not race that they're mad about. It's the American values, or from their perspective, the colonization of American values over theirs. They want to destroy everything American, or what they think is American, even things like logic, science, whatever.
What's happening now is that they're showing off their values and degrading American values. And every culture, and culture is usually race divided, because of geography and people in the past worked together with the people around them that were the same.
And they invaded the United States and are propagandizing racial groups to join their forefather's cultures and values over American culture and values.
However, most of these people don't even know the cultures their forefathers came from, so they all end up being like how Worf viewed the Klingons.
Pedes most of you are too young to remember, how hard we as a country, in the 50's and 60's, worked on integration. Segregation was a thing; it was very real! We worked so hard to desegregate; many people suffered and even died!
Now I see leftist liberals trying to reverse all the work we did!!! Trying to drive us apart again! Don't accept this! Don't let them ruin everything we worked so hard for.
Just started watching this show again with my son. It shocks me what a good family they are despite the comedic drama and how religion plays such a key role in the family.
Sad part is, I've been watching old shows like Family Matters and Reba with my family because everything new sucks ass!
I'm not kidding, I don't remember the episode, but he was very outspoken about it.
Not muslim.
Not raging atheist.
Christian.
Also, there's a Christmas episode that doesn't feature the cop's youngest daughter, AT ALL! Nothing to do with the other thing, just that the show originally didn't have urkel as the main character, he was first seen in the eighth or so episode and was meant to be a one-time character that ended up being pretty much the main reason the show was popular, it gradually featured the cop's youngest daughter less and less.
Fresh Price, Family Matters, so many YUGE shows with all black or mostly black cast and people LOVED those shows. No BS Racism, no condescending lecturing, no political propaganda being shoved down our throats. Just good AMERICAN entertainment and people from all walks of life enjoying. As it fucking should be.
Honestly even Dinosaurs was top rated and that seems like it was based on a black sitcom family show too. People didn’t see color, thats all democrats setting us back 50 years.
It feels like there were more black shows and black stars in the 80s and 90s and it was totally normal. Democrats have brought back racism with a vengeance.
You could probably add Fresh Prince of Bel Air which was one of the biggest sitcoms globally and made Will Smith the highest paid actor in Hollywood.
Also Uncle Phil was a Republican in the show. Carlton also was a huge fan of Donald Trump.
Alex P. Keaton prayed to the alter of Reagan. Damned tv sucks now
Not just TV, a few months ago I was reading some of my old Shazam comic books that I had in my room and in an issue from 1998/99 (I can't remember which) Mary Marvel mentions being a Republican to Bill Clinton and the first thing I thought was "If this was published today Mary would be talking with Hillary about the patriarchy and how she's stuck being Captain Marvel's sidekick"
Yeah. Obviously there was intentional Marxist infiltration of all forms of media but a big part of why comics went right in the crapper is because you have communists who go to some art school and fucking suck ass whether its at trying to be a screenwriter or some sort of artist, and then they feel enraged when they have to "settle" for work in the comics industry. You listen to these people who produce comics now and all they can do is talk about how much they hate comic books and especially fans of comic books.
It isn't just the writing quality that has dropped off a cliff with the baffling clusterfuck that is the hamfisted attempt to constantly interject Marxist mindrot into the stories of comic books, but the art is a far cry from even 20 years ago too.
These people can't draw for shit
why the fuck are they making comic books lmao
edit: I just wanted to add this for people who don't read comic books and may not have seen it. This is a literal, actual, real fucking comic book from the last few years.
This comic book store used to be filled with customers. Now it's a ghost town.
Ummm... wow. I stopped reading comics as a kid because issues were extremely short and went nowhere.
This shit is just remarkably unacceptable.
This is unbelievable. I used to be so into comic books when I was a kid. Both the links in regards to drawing ability are unbelievable. The Spider-Man one - I can’t even figure out wtf is going on with is body. And that’s the real text in the second one?! In the panel where he’s saying “MRA slurs” etc?!
Do you have more examples of comic books going to shit?
It's the same with kid's cartoons. Look at the artwork quality steadily decline since the 90's/early 2000's. Marvel and DC have gone to hell in a hand basket. There are still amazing artists out there making great comic books though - EVS and Comicsgate artists. Check them out.
The creators of "Family Ties" and MJ Fox were all real-life lefties who intended the Alex character as a sarcastic tweak of 80s conservatism (the younger Alex supposedly carried his school meals in a Richard Nixon lunchbox), but then when the show and character got embraced into a phenomenon, they rode that gravy train irony to the bank.
EVEN BIGGER was upper-middle-class black urban wholesomeness of The Cosby Show, THE biggest 80s TV success story - the #1-highest rated series 5 years in a row!!! (and remained in the Top 20 all the way til its finale). When the creators of Family Matters, Fresh Prince etc. pitched their ideas to the networks, everybody was hoping to cash-in on the proven formula for what audiences craved.
Yeah but he was supposed to be a counter to the leftiness of the rest of the Keaton family. The story was that the parents were ex-hippies who were now settling down. They'd passed on the torch to the annoying younger sister, but Alex had gone the other way and was right wing. He was supposed to be sort of the villian, but it quickly became clear that Alex was the crowd favourite beyond all the lefties.
Alex P. Keaton was the Anti-Hippie.
Donald Trump made an appearance on the show as well.
Yep and he said the line "Ya know everyone's always blaming me for everything" That line was as relevant in 1990-whenever as it was in 2015.
Will Smith is older now than Uncle Phil or Carlton were in the show...tapping forehead
They would call it 'gentrification' and 'internalized whiteness' or some shit, and claim the whole thing was a plot by whitey to 'remove their blackness' and that it made us all more racist by making us color blind.
And sadly, I'm not making any of that shit up for shits and giggles. That's what identity politics teaches the children of us 90s kids.
i honestly which more people would start calling out these fucking Anti-Racist hacks like Kendi. Those fucks are the true racists, because all they do is think about peoples race and how it might have impacted their life.
And Carlton was always laughed at.
Unfortunately, in real life too. Alfonso Ribeiro's always had a financially successful TV career, but I once met him at a crowded event (wound up sitting nearby), and it seemed a little sad to see people treating him w/ scorn, like fiction had converted a human person into a permanent social pinata to be eternally mocked.
Hopefully his bank account helps the jeers roll off like water on a duck.
Yea, I’m pretty sure his bank account helps. I’d just laugh back counting hundreds doing the Carlton.
He's also now a F! racer which he greatly enjoys.
Spez: Turns out I was wrong.
I don't see anything on his Wikipedia page about F1 racing
I might be wrong about it being F1 but I know he got into some form of car racing.
And the Cosby show. An affluent doctor and lawyer.
That's actually going back to the 80s. The truth is that racism was largely irrelevant by the 80s.
I'd say even in the 70's. Music and TV showed that to be true.
Yep. There were some lingering desegregation issues still occurring (I've read that Nixon did more to actually desegregate schools than any other president), but the 70s were much very supportive of blacks on TV and in music.
Yes Nixon helped pass the 1957 Civil Rights Bill and got a letter from Martin Luther King Jr. As thanks.
Later Tricky Dick put in hard core quotas for jobs in New York to finally smash racism in the late 1960s.
Racism has been a non-issue since 1975 until radicals leftists created this false hysteria this year.
They've been building this false hysteria for a couple decades now, it just finally broke out into the mainstream culture.
Also, Civil War ended in 1865. Odd that they want to bring it back now.
I would have watched Soul Train every time it came on if I lived in the 70s. Nothing but the best acts of the genre at their best.
It was hard to decide which in to watch, Soul Train or American Bandstand.
Soul Train was definitely better in the 70s. Sometimes it depended on who the performing act was going to be. I watched more AB in the 80's.
I remember seeing a pic of a a campaign billboard form I believe a Democrat who's entire platform was to bring back segregation.
Yup. Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids.
Good Times, too!
Dy-no-mite!
Michael Jackson, worlds biggest pop star of all time.
Also POTUS was on the show.
Don't forget "Sister Sister" and "Smart Guy"
Unlike most modern shows those were both pretty funny as well. Smart Guy had "the dumb white friend" for the sister but the dumb friend of the two brothers was Cuba Gooding's brother.
Yeah, it's on Disney+ and still holds up imo. Great show.
I 100% agree! Will Smith is the star of Independence Day, a big-budget summer blockbuster, and no one bats an eye.
My God, there were so many TV shows and movies where blacks were main characters and nothing ever seemed out of place.
Race was an issue at all!
Of course there are always going to be racists on the Fringe.
But now, it's full-blown black hatred of whites and insane whites who hate themselves.
It is a sad and horrifying turn of events all design to lead us to full-blown Marxism!
Now I can't stand seeing token non-whites, especially in shows that should be all white because they take place in Norway and shit. It's always some dumb excuse like "Black people existed back then", or "It's a fantasy world, why can't there be black people everywhere!" But, god forbid there is a single white guy in Wakanda.
It's all just horseshit. So now, if they put a token in a show, I turn it off. I turn off a lot of shows. Don't miss it. This constant stream of entertainment is probably bad for you anyway. You should be spending that time learning a new skill to better yourself instead of rotting your life away.
I can't watch any more than a minute of a news program without going apeshit since I turned it off 3 years ago. It's just blatant lies and propaganda. You really see it when you have ended the conditioning.
I (German kid) remember watching Star Trek TNG when it aired here in the early 90s.
My favourite characters? Worf - the warrior with an honor code. Geordi - fucking genius with a visor. Data - superhuman android.
So 2/3 of my favourite characters were black. Never gave a shit about that either. They just were fucking awesome and I wanted to be like them.
And honestly that kind of thinking carried me throughout my entire childhood. If the character was awesome I loved them. Didn't care if they were white, black or asian.
Only recently that changed, when you realized a certain group constantly pushing for representation. And being successful with such pushes. It annoys me when established characters are changed.
I was annoyed in nuTrek when Spock and Uhura became a thing; not because I don't like interracial pairings, but because that was not Spock. It continued with Witcher - it's fucking slavic. There were no black slavs in the middle ages. I'm glad I'm not a superhero fan, with them changing established heroes and blackface them.
Isnt that something?
And Levar Burton was the host of one of the most popular educational shows ever. Reading Rainbow.
He wasn't some forgettable diversity hire. The guy literally was one of the greatest advocates of literacy in history with his raw talent.
The only reason Reading Rainbow went away was thanks to No Child Left Behind. (which is ironic)
He started a web cast reading books for kids during Covid. Great guy.
I had the same experience watching Star Trek TNG as a kid in the 90s. And I loved watching DS9 and Voyager with their diverse, cool, admirable crews. Other shows that I loved like, Power Rangers, Recess, Batman: The Animated Series, and Justice League were diverse without pandering or putting down one race or sex to prop up another.
My favorite show as a kid, Digimon, made it clear that all the main characters were Japanese. I relished the chance to see another culture that was very much the like my own, yet still different.
I would say racism was dead in the 80's. Eddie Murphy was in Beverly Hills Cop, white kids loved their black sports hero's like Bo Jackson and Michael Jordon. Nobody really even talked about race, we were all just Americans and proud of it.
A year before ID4, Bad Boys forced Hollywood to wake up to their racism.
Bad Boys was originally written for SNL comedians Dana Carvey and Jon Lovitz, and the Jewish producers and director couldn't convince the studio (Japanese-owned Sony-Columbia) to trust in the possibility of a movie about 2 heroic black cops. The budget was so low that Michael Bay had to pay for the big action finale (explosions!) out of his own personal pocket (literally writing a check).
When Bad Boys earned $140 mil around the planet, it proved to Hollywood that audiences could and would show up.
Despite all his faults, the Cosby show in the 80's also was a huge help.
Successful Dr. Huxtable was an OB-GYN, his wife was a practicing attorney. Eldest child, Sondra, went into law like her mother. Theo Huxtable grew up to be a student teacher, helping kids with dyslexia. They were raising their kids with wholesome values and teaching them to be good people.
Eddie. Theo was the Cosby Show.
Incidentally, the younger daughter, Judy, who was written out of the show pretty early on, went on to be a pornstar.
Ah, the Pink Ranger trope. That one got overused a lot in 90s tv.
Why does this seem so possible?...
It really was.
I was a part of that generation. No white person gave a shit about race at all. If a kid was racist, or said something racist (they didn't) they weren't cool, and were shunned.
It took 40 years and Obama to finally get me to see race, and identify as white. Now I am a proud Anglo Saxon. I am well aware of the race of everyone around me, and discriminate as I please. Can't be too careful.
It all started going downhill when the term African American was introduced and became normal. It taught and suggested to black people that they are something other, like they were not really a part of this country not really Americans. It's why i will never call a black person African American. I say the 90's were the beginning of the end in terms of positive race relations in this country and Obama and his crew killed it.
saying "African American" has always sounded so odd to me, and I could never understand how anyone says it with a straight face. how many black people in the USA have any ties to Africa at all? I'm Puerto Rican and I've never been to Puerto Rico, and that's not even a different country. what are the odds that even 1% of black Americans have ever been anywhere in Africa, or have family there, or anything at all?
I was personally offended by the term when I first heard it at the age of 10 in 1988.
To me, Africans were the kids in the "Save the Children" ads that were covered with flies and starving. I knew where I lived on a map, and where Africa was, and knew for damn sure it wasnt the same place.
It irritated me forever. Still does.
Yeah, every time I hear it l think: "Do they have dial citizenship or something?"
"Black" refers to skin color, which is very superficial. A Sub-Saharan African or Bantu is generally extremely different from a South Indian, despite both possibly having a very high amount of melanin in their skin.
It all started going downhill when Millennials took over everything.
The most entitled generation ever in the U.S. and since they can't find their "fight" because there are no wars under Trump, they gotta go and create one.
Generation Z had better swing right and vote that way or they'll end up being drafted as cannon fodder to fight the Millennials' war.
I would say it was beaten in the 80s with the Cosby Show. Dad was a Doctor and the mom was a lawyer.
All That, Keenan and Kel, My Brother and Me, Family Matters - so on and so forth. No one seemed divided by then again we were kids, I dont' know what was going on in the rest of the world.
Another "nerd" character back then was Stevie in "Malcolm in the MIddle." I believe his family was pretty stable, at least compared to Frankie Muniz's.
Everyone's forgetting Michael Jordan (every 90's kid saying "I wanna be like Mike!" ect) + the Bulls crew, all idolized, great example of a clean, hardworking life gets you far
Michael Jackson (technically black) biggest popstar ever, idolized like crazy
This and fresh prince were two of my favorite shows as a kid and I’m a white redneck girl lol
Distinguished black judge, rich, has a butler, a pillar of the community.....checks out the 90's was not racist.
The writing was fun. I particularly liked the episode multiple characters retell the same events with the "facts" warped in their favor differently. Even the butler was entertaining.
He wasn't exactly a superhero but he was definitely a super cop... it all really starts in 1971 with Richard Roundtree's "Shaft." He's a complicated man...
And that's not even including ensemble super hero movies that included black heroes, like X-Men.
Spawn
Loved that show! Fresh Prince too. What was not to like?😍 it was all really awesome, the equality of family values, the evidence of integrity and hard work. The messages were wonderful. They reflected hope and possibility for everyone. THAT is true America. Did seeing successful happy families of any color, lift spirits and give you a smile? They sure did. BLM has turned back the clock by 60 years or more
It's should say " Barack Obama and Joe Biden brought it back "
Personalise and attach the racism to Joe Biden
He'll most likely suffer historically as people may look back with disdain at the division he and the other race huskers created for their own self-interest.
Was at the beach this weekend and there were groups of white college kids blasting “music” that every other word was a cuss word. They must really hate black to be playing that in their most leisurely moments.
I’d be embarrassed to be listening to that. But I wouldn’t be embarrassed to playing some Michael Jackson or Billy Ocean.
I'll never apologize for listening to new jack swing. That's some of the best music of the early 90's.
Good Times, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons... and a whole helluva lot of others before the 90s.
Racism exists in isolation - but the Democrats thrive on perpetuating it, making it front and center, and inventing ways to exploit it for votes.
And a great thing about these shows and movies is that they didn't just focus on skin color throughout. It wasn't even really brought up at all. These days, anything with black characters, the dialogue is all about being black.
Don’t forget the whole “men don’t support women comics”.
Carol Burnett, Lucille Ball, 9 to 5 with Lily Tomlin and Dolly Partin are fantastic in it, but it isn’t just about them being women. It’s just funny. Point is that glass ceiling is imaginary.
And without Lucille Ball we wouldn't have Star Trek.
I think part of it is that unsuccessful male comedians don't complain nearly as much.
80s. 90s saw white liberals magnify gangster rap and kill black people forever.
Even some gangster rap was different back then. Nas, Biggie, Tupac, and Coolio were self-reflective and mournful about the sorry state of their communities and the role of crime in their communities. No one can listen to the lyrics of "Gangsta's Paradise" and think that it's endorsing the lifestyle. Rap has gotten worse in a particular way; there's less emphasis on the consequences of crime and violence, and more emphasis on material goods and drug experiences.
Mid 90s is were it all changed.
I used to love that show. It was also nice to see Chicago portrayed in a positive light..then again, in that day Illinois wasn't run by flaming leftists.
I have met a lot of fellow White People in my 48 years. I have yet to meet a single "White Supremacist". Assholes? Yes. But not full-on Nazi types.
Who, specifically are all these White Supremacists supposedly causing chaos in the Cities? Name just one.
During the 80s America had 3 primary TV networks, and the Cosby Show (NBC) was the #1 highest-rated series for 5 years straight, meaning that yes it was an across-the-board, demographic spanning popular tidal wave phenomenon. Family Matters (ABC) and Fresh Prince (NBC) cashed-in to ride the Cosby train to success.
Toward the end of the decade, Fox started a new network that was initially scoffed at, but thanks to shows like Simpsons (and the Wayans' "In Living Color" and "Martin") Fox gradually grew successful enough that other broadcast channels like WB and UPN started inching in, hoping to grab up leftover "table scrap" audience crumbs. They were aware that they'd probably never be more than #5 or #6, but they were willing to accept lesser status. A major part of the newbies' strategy was to target specific niche demographics, since a narrow aim would help maximize their limited advertising budgets.
The WB's very first show was "The Wayans Bros." quickly followed by the Jamie Foxx show, the Steve Harvey show, Sister Sister and The Parent 'Hood, while rival network UPN had "All of Us" (produced by Will Smith & Jada Pinkett) and Brandy Norwood's "Moesha." These newer networks were somewhat regarded as "ghetto" channels, and despite pumping hundreds of millions of $$$ advertising none of these later "black" shows ever came anywhere close to the diverse-appeal success of the major network hits listed earlier. (One of the WB's biggest profit machines was Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Eventually those "other" network operations decided to close, consolidate and combine into the replacement "CW" channel, which has changed its focus on youth-genre shows rather than particular ethnicity; the CW has built much of its success on comic book superhero fare.
We didn’t think it was odd because the plot didn’t alway center exclusively on their race.
Unlike that show "blackish" which centers around their race. Thanks obongo.
Yup. And Huxtable was ... an obstetrician-gynecologist ... with a lawyer wife, and WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WIN WAS AWESOME. And the fresh prince was livin' in Beverly Hills with a nuclear fam, surrounded by success. Cosby scuttled his own rapey quaaluded jank, Will Smith became the racist we all used to know and love, and Ibama bin Biden scuttled the rest.
I'm not post-racial anymore; I'm anti-racist. Racists suck. Black racist also suck.
I've been saying this for ever. Like how are ghetto racist blacks able to watch Fresh Prince or Family Matters and not think to themselves "why is my family not like this and so messed up? ".
I can say the same thing for all types I get that. But there were plenty of black sitcoms and each had their own flavor. But all of them despised the druggy or gangster or typical bad guy. Yet that stereotype grew more and more and their stupidity and terrible rap culture influenced more and more?
I blame MTV BET and all other left wing bullshit.
I've been big into watching Star Trek TNG lately, and its crazy how we had a show in the 80's/90's where multiple members of the main lead cast were black, and nobody gave a shit.
The smartest guy on the show Gordi is black. The most honorable, and strongest guy on the show was Worf, also black.
There was also interracial marriages, and strong smart female leads with Bev and Deanna. There are also countless episodes where the women end up being the saviors, or the best at whatever.
AND NOBODY FUCKING CARED. It was just normal. It was normal to see a woman be a scientist. Or a black guy be a leader. How the hell did that change?
Oh wait it hasn't, the left pretends it did, so they can further their communist agenda.
Edit: Also I know Patrick Steward is a cuck, but his early portrayal of Picard is good. There is an episode where he is stuck in an elevator with kids, and 2 kids are smart, and 1 kid is a fucking idiot. He is injured and needs to convince the kids to help save them, so he gives the 2 smart kids rankings as Commander and Lieutenant so they feel confident to help. But the retard kid can't do shit but begs to be called a commander. But instead of giving him a token Commander ranking so he feels part of the group (modern day equivalent of everyone gets a trophy), he says he can be the caretaker of radishes or something because that's all the idiot did for his science project lol
Exactly. They didn't make a big deal of it. They just created interesting characters, and wow, how shocking, it was a fun show.
I'm not sure if I would say that this is a misunderstanding of their issues. I would probably suggest that they purposefully creating confusion, especially by changing the meaning of words.
Star Trek isn't a post-scarcity meritocratic future. It's an American future. With American values. A Chinese version of the future would be more like The Three Body Problem. They don't even think the same way, they don't hold the same values. Their Utopian future is different.
Star Trek is the version of the future where the American mindset wins, and everyone decides to be one big happy family under American values.
It's not race that they're mad about. It's the American values, or from their perspective, the colonization of American values over theirs. They want to destroy everything American, or what they think is American, even things like logic, science, whatever.
What's happening now is that they're showing off their values and degrading American values. And every culture, and culture is usually race divided, because of geography and people in the past worked together with the people around them that were the same.
And they invaded the United States and are propagandizing racial groups to join their forefather's cultures and values over American culture and values.
However, most of these people don't even know the cultures their forefathers came from, so they all end up being like how Worf viewed the Klingons.
Pedes most of you are too young to remember, how hard we as a country, in the 50's and 60's, worked on integration. Segregation was a thing; it was very real! We worked so hard to desegregate; many people suffered and even died!
Now I see leftist liberals trying to reverse all the work we did!!! Trying to drive us apart again! Don't accept this! Don't let them ruin everything we worked so hard for.
Family Matters
Fresh Prince of Bel Air
Everybody Hates Chris
All shows that portrayed strong families with strong values regardless of the situation they were in.
Bill Cosby Show
My Wife and Kids
Webster
The Jeffersons
George Lopez (may as well add in Latino shows, too.)
The list just goes on and on. We could be here all night.
George Lopez (the actor) really surprised me with his views considering the way he portrayed himself in the show.
It was over in the 70's. Archie Bunker and George Jefferson held a damn funny mirror to it all to show how silly it was.
You're doing great work! Love the entire series of posts.
What chu takin 'bout willis?
Just started watching this show again with my son. It shocks me what a good family they are despite the comedic drama and how religion plays such a key role in the family.
Sad part is, I've been watching old shows like Family Matters and Reba with my family because everything new sucks ass!
Something liberals will never agree with: family matters.
AHEM
Did you forget an important detail about urkel?
HE WAS CHRISTIAN.
I'm not kidding, I don't remember the episode, but he was very outspoken about it.
Not muslim.
Not raging atheist.
Christian.
Also, there's a Christmas episode that doesn't feature the cop's youngest daughter, AT ALL! Nothing to do with the other thing, just that the show originally didn't have urkel as the main character, he was first seen in the eighth or so episode and was meant to be a one-time character that ended up being pretty much the main reason the show was popular, it gradually featured the cop's youngest daughter less and less.
Innnnn west Philadelphia born and raised....
Chillin out back and relaxin I'm cool and I'm shooting some b ball out beside the school...
Fresh Price, Family Matters, so many YUGE shows with all black or mostly black cast and people LOVED those shows. No BS Racism, no condescending lecturing, no political propaganda being shoved down our throats. Just good AMERICAN entertainment and people from all walks of life enjoying. As it fucking should be.
And they made sure to destroy him when he couldn't defend himself.
Yea they've been attacking the upstanding Television Dads for a while.
What about Martin.
Honestly even Dinosaurs was top rated and that seems like it was based on a black sitcom family show too. People didn’t see color, thats all democrats setting us back 50 years.
I'd throw In Living Color in there. Even being a black show, there's no way most of that stuff makes it on the air today.
It feels like there were more black shows and black stars in the 80s and 90s and it was totally normal. Democrats have brought back racism with a vengeance.
I keep making the comment that we're probably only a few weeks away from returning to segregated water fountains. I'm not even joking about that.
I had a crush on Laura's friend Maxine at the time, lol
the show Martin was hilarious too
Plenty of diverse shows before they started forcing it in every show
Dawson's Creek had gay kissing Will n grace Boy meets world interracial dating that did not feel shoehorned. Etc
Don't need to force everything everywhere
I miss 90’s TV. TGIF, Home Improvement, Saturday morning cartoons.
Life was good.
I had a dorky urkle back pack. I thought it was cool, the other kids thought it was dumb but whatever.
See also, The Cosby Show. I know now he’s a piece of shit, but at the time the biggest show on TV was about a well off black family.
100% !
They say many times in family matters "dont trust white people" met with audience laughter.
Wouldnt include that on "no racism"