you proceed to attack me calling me names like "islamoleftist", i returned your kindness then you screamed "im being oppressed". epitomy of a lefty through and through.
your bigotry and intolerance of christians is highlighted here "They dont go around bashing christians. The only thing where things come to loggerheads is when there is mass conversion of native population."
so you dont like indians converting to christianity unless they do it one at a time? if they do more than 10 conversions at one time you define it as mass conversions and in true hindu racism you justify violently attacking these christians who choose to follow jesus as an errosion of hindu culture?
so again, i know you will dodge this question like a typical coward, do you have a problem with indians converting to christianity?
mass conversion is basically organized conversion of tribal and poor people, it disconnects them from their roots and breaks their native identity and connection. it creates schisms and faultlines in society. it is not a spiritual conversion or a faith activity, it is essentially an ideological campaign onto unsuspecting population, like "dawah" and "tableegh". people who explore spiritualism and go along a path, christianty or atheism or whatever is a different thing, it is a personal thing it is to each his own. mass conversaion, proselytization is not that. it is part bribe, part social pressure, part conditioning, and a lot of ideological brainwashing. and this is wrong. it has serious implications on a populations culture, political identity and everything. tribes lose their traditional gods, traditional language, traditional affinity to the land and look towards a foreign culture a foreign identity as their own. it is predatory on the native culture.
just like americans want to preserve their own culture, and the connection and the identity of their nation and would not appreciate if there are massive conversions to islam or to the religion of communism, similarly indians would not like it done to them, either by communists, or by islam or by christianty.
I'm not writing this for this poor guy with the handle "Theyreallinonit", but for anybody who might end up reading this thread, who feels a desire to have an honest truthful talk on this subject.
Well, if the ones claiming to be Christians try to force it on others instead of witnessing it then they cannot be called Christians. Christian means to be Christ-like as in to be as close as possible with Jesus's character as possible.
I really won't say anything on the other two mainly because actions will speak louder than words will ever be able to eloquently express. It goes the same for anybody that follows Jesus as well.
In the south of India there is a big christian community, in fact one of the oldest. St Thomas it was, I believe, who arrived in Kerala pretty much a couple of years after christ. I think 1 century AD itself.
Keralite christians are different from others. They are pious, God fearing, and christians in every way in that they pray to Jesus and consider bible as the word of God and everything. But on top of that they have a very distinct and explicit understanding that they are natives of the land, that other than their spiritual faith, they are sons of the soil and they belong to the Indian culture. Their conduct and their practice of christianty is not towards conversion. Yes they will speak of jesus to others, they will try to spread the word of the lord and such, but they I find that they do this as a spiritual quest, not in a sense of a mission to convert. Christianty to them, I find, is a spiritual path, not a socio political identity or a matter of church governance. I don't find anything wrong in that. Nobody finds any fault in this approach. They are a third of the population in that region, and there is no friction with them there is nothing but peace and love. That is a spiritual conversion not a socio political one.
But that was christianty as was brought by St. Thomas. In more recent times, the conversion is spearheaded by missionaries in a very different way. They target the tribal natives and poor people and using a mixture of monetary bribes, social conditioning, ideological brainwashing, preying on superstition and economic vulnerabilities and creating hositility towards hindus and Indian culture, they en-masse convert population to christianty. It is a very different mode of conversion. It actively seeks to demonize the Indian culture and create social schism. I remember having a friend when I was a kid who after playing soccer wouldn't come to a nearby temple to drink water (in India water fountains is not available any where and everywhere) because his pastor was teaching him that it is a place where evil spirits reside. My friend was a tribal convert. It is not a one-off incidence. In some regions of India nearly 90-98% of the tribals have been converted, which basically has killed the native culture, the native tribal gods and even the native tribal language and the tribals now see themselves as a separate political identity from rest of the country. like muslims look towards the mecca for spiritual and political guidance and build their identity from there these people start looking at vatican (indian muslims for example, when they speak of their history they start talking about battles in arab lands) and separatist movements have taken hold. Villages and families get divided and political affiliations are changed with a foreign outlook a globalist kind where native and nationalist aspirations are looked down upon. It is not nice.
The american culture, and american way of life is good for America and it has a right to protect itself and prosper there. There will be engagements and discussions and exchange of ideas and people will take whatever idea they like and give ideas of their own, and that is good. But it would be bad for lets say islam or communists to start spreading their own ideological propaganda and destroy the culture of America. Similarly for india. That is all. Nobody has a problem with Jesus or christian faith or conversion that happens as a spiritual quest. But a factory like ideological subversion like mass conversion is very damaging to the society and that is undesirable.
I tried to explain from my side. If there is anything I can explain better or any question you might have, please do feel free to ask. nothing but love and respect for trump and america. even good friends who respect each other may disagree on some points and that is okay. the general direction, the big picture thing is that there is more common ground, more cooperation to be had and the disagreements if any are too too small and minor.
I am not sure if I am responding to the right part, but I did say that Christians are to be Christ-like. Jesus's character to be more precise.
The reason that I am bringing that tidbit up is because those that use deception as a means do not practice and do not try to be Christ-like. Jesus in the Gospels speaks very clearly on those that follow Him. The Holy Spirit is the being that can change a person if they are willing.
I do not have good information on the Keralite Christians, but it sounds like they are living by Jesus's example. I am not going to judge anyone because that is God's Authority and no one else.
you proceed to attack me calling me names like "islamoleftist", i returned your kindness then you screamed "im being oppressed". epitomy of a lefty through and through.
your bigotry and intolerance of christians is highlighted here "They dont go around bashing christians. The only thing where things come to loggerheads is when there is mass conversion of native population."
so you dont like indians converting to christianity unless they do it one at a time? if they do more than 10 conversions at one time you define it as mass conversions and in true hindu racism you justify violently attacking these christians who choose to follow jesus as an errosion of hindu culture?
so again, i know you will dodge this question like a typical coward, do you have a problem with indians converting to christianity?
mass conversion is basically organized conversion of tribal and poor people, it disconnects them from their roots and breaks their native identity and connection. it creates schisms and faultlines in society. it is not a spiritual conversion or a faith activity, it is essentially an ideological campaign onto unsuspecting population, like "dawah" and "tableegh". people who explore spiritualism and go along a path, christianty or atheism or whatever is a different thing, it is a personal thing it is to each his own. mass conversaion, proselytization is not that. it is part bribe, part social pressure, part conditioning, and a lot of ideological brainwashing. and this is wrong. it has serious implications on a populations culture, political identity and everything. tribes lose their traditional gods, traditional language, traditional affinity to the land and look towards a foreign culture a foreign identity as their own. it is predatory on the native culture.
just like americans want to preserve their own culture, and the connection and the identity of their nation and would not appreciate if there are massive conversions to islam or to the religion of communism, similarly indians would not like it done to them, either by communists, or by islam or by christianty.
I'm not writing this for this poor guy with the handle "Theyreallinonit", but for anybody who might end up reading this thread, who feels a desire to have an honest truthful talk on this subject.
Well, if the ones claiming to be Christians try to force it on others instead of witnessing it then they cannot be called Christians. Christian means to be Christ-like as in to be as close as possible with Jesus's character as possible.
I really won't say anything on the other two mainly because actions will speak louder than words will ever be able to eloquently express. It goes the same for anybody that follows Jesus as well.
Let me give you an example ...
In the south of India there is a big christian community, in fact one of the oldest. St Thomas it was, I believe, who arrived in Kerala pretty much a couple of years after christ. I think 1 century AD itself.
Keralite christians are different from others. They are pious, God fearing, and christians in every way in that they pray to Jesus and consider bible as the word of God and everything. But on top of that they have a very distinct and explicit understanding that they are natives of the land, that other than their spiritual faith, they are sons of the soil and they belong to the Indian culture. Their conduct and their practice of christianty is not towards conversion. Yes they will speak of jesus to others, they will try to spread the word of the lord and such, but they I find that they do this as a spiritual quest, not in a sense of a mission to convert. Christianty to them, I find, is a spiritual path, not a socio political identity or a matter of church governance. I don't find anything wrong in that. Nobody finds any fault in this approach. They are a third of the population in that region, and there is no friction with them there is nothing but peace and love. That is a spiritual conversion not a socio political one.
But that was christianty as was brought by St. Thomas. In more recent times, the conversion is spearheaded by missionaries in a very different way. They target the tribal natives and poor people and using a mixture of monetary bribes, social conditioning, ideological brainwashing, preying on superstition and economic vulnerabilities and creating hositility towards hindus and Indian culture, they en-masse convert population to christianty. It is a very different mode of conversion. It actively seeks to demonize the Indian culture and create social schism. I remember having a friend when I was a kid who after playing soccer wouldn't come to a nearby temple to drink water (in India water fountains is not available any where and everywhere) because his pastor was teaching him that it is a place where evil spirits reside. My friend was a tribal convert. It is not a one-off incidence. In some regions of India nearly 90-98% of the tribals have been converted, which basically has killed the native culture, the native tribal gods and even the native tribal language and the tribals now see themselves as a separate political identity from rest of the country. like muslims look towards the mecca for spiritual and political guidance and build their identity from there these people start looking at vatican (indian muslims for example, when they speak of their history they start talking about battles in arab lands) and separatist movements have taken hold. Villages and families get divided and political affiliations are changed with a foreign outlook a globalist kind where native and nationalist aspirations are looked down upon. It is not nice.
The american culture, and american way of life is good for America and it has a right to protect itself and prosper there. There will be engagements and discussions and exchange of ideas and people will take whatever idea they like and give ideas of their own, and that is good. But it would be bad for lets say islam or communists to start spreading their own ideological propaganda and destroy the culture of America. Similarly for india. That is all. Nobody has a problem with Jesus or christian faith or conversion that happens as a spiritual quest. But a factory like ideological subversion like mass conversion is very damaging to the society and that is undesirable.
I tried to explain from my side. If there is anything I can explain better or any question you might have, please do feel free to ask. nothing but love and respect for trump and america. even good friends who respect each other may disagree on some points and that is okay. the general direction, the big picture thing is that there is more common ground, more cooperation to be had and the disagreements if any are too too small and minor.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Thomas
I am not sure if I am responding to the right part, but I did say that Christians are to be Christ-like. Jesus's character to be more precise.
The reason that I am bringing that tidbit up is because those that use deception as a means do not practice and do not try to be Christ-like. Jesus in the Gospels speaks very clearly on those that follow Him. The Holy Spirit is the being that can change a person if they are willing.
I do not have good information on the Keralite Christians, but it sounds like they are living by Jesus's example. I am not going to judge anyone because that is God's Authority and no one else.
Thank you for the link as well.