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MrMcGreenGenes 281 points ago +281 / -0

Why aren't we using disorienting light and sound as dispersal tools? For years we've heard about all these supposed new-fangled devices. Where are they?

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PeaceThroughStrength 112 points ago +114 / -2

Geneva Convention applies to combatants.

Terrorists are not combatants.

Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Suggestion

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Rudygarrido 16 points ago +16 / -0

All we have to do is put a curfew and if they don’t comply they get arrested and fined $500. If they can’t pay it right then... you confiscate their phones until they CAN pay it. Or is that in the Geneva convention rules too. 😇😜

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peterstrzoked 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol that would end this shit fast.

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ChuckedBeef 8 points ago +9 / -1

They should have grabbed laser guy then pulled down his pants and lit a Bic under his dick until it caught fire. Then stomp it out after a couple of minutes.

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Leisureforce 3 points ago +3 / -0

Most likely already beat them to the punch by cutting it off.

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GeneralBigusDickus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Naw dawg...

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Leisureforce 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm sure it was all "medical" supplies. Just like that "medic" van in Minneapolis that had a barbed wire encased baseball bat.

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Cue_Cumber 29 points ago +30 / -1

They are non-uniformed enemy combatants. And as such, they can be shot. But let's not go there; that way lies civil war and our elitist Overlords escaping under it's cover.

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PeaceThroughStrength 24 points ago +25 / -1

Hey now no one said anything about shooting em.

Helicopter taxis with Chilean intensity

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Emperorvoid 6 points ago +6 / -0

I say shoot them!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +5 / -0

Not yet. Van them.

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ModernKnight 3 points ago +3 / -0

By Geneva Conventions, if a military tribunal finds them to be non-uniformed enemy combatants they have no protections against torture and execution.

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AstronoMink 5 points ago +6 / -1

Them escaping to the shadows while the public is distracted to wait for their chance to come back into the spotlight is exactly what I don't want to happen. Along with civil war, of course.

(More than "don't want"--My feelings about this are much stronger than that, and though it's a concern, I wouldn't say "fear." Maybe "I very much implore that this is not allowed to happen?" I don't exactly have the words to describe. But regardless,)

When we are so close to finally bringing so many of them to justice, that would feel like the biggest foul in the history of political & legal sport.

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Aambrick 2 points ago +2 / -0

Chicago Happened

That is probably the only way to describe it to be honest.

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AstronoMink 1 point ago +2 / -1

How ironically poetic that you choose "Chicago" to describe it when I was born in it & raised watching Chicago happen.

And it's all too true.

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wakingmajority 3 points ago +3 / -0

They can kind of be considered uniformed.... I mean they do all look the same. Either way I think they can be sent to gitmo.

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ModernKnight 1 point ago +1 / -0

It must be a declared uniform. Even if they get that, they fail on the other 3 fronts- having a declared commanding officer, openly carrying their weapons (they conceal them), and following the laws and customs of war.

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mugatucrazypills 12 points ago +12 / -0

Ziptie them and push them all into the river (nonviolently of course)

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not good enough. I could swim with my hands ziptied.

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ModernKnight 2 points ago +2 / -0

Plus, most of them will float.

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mugatucrazypills 1 point ago +1 / -0

And feet ?

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ausglitsch 2 points ago +2 / -0

yes; "combatants" only applies to people who also agree to the conventions

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Test_user21 2 points ago +8 / -6

Uh, wrong. Not sure where you got that from, but it's as wrong as can be. Not being a signatory to the conventions does not relinquish one from the covenants it puts forth.

Among the actions the Conventions make illegal are engaging in belligerent action while not dressed in the uniform of an accepted nation-state, engaging in belligerent action while not part of a regular fighting force, engaging in warfare from within a civilian populace, engaging in warfare upon a civilian populace, and other strictures.

So, again, not sure why you thought the Conventions only applies to signatories - if that truly were the case, the upfront nations of the world would just mete out any punishments it wanted to non-signers for any reason.

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PeaceThroughStrength 6 points ago +6 / -0

Because conventions entered into by the United States are treaties and treaties are contracts and are to be interpreted as such. Like all contracts and especially those where the only authority which creates duties and liabilities are those which are agreed upon, are enforceable only by those who are signatories.

That's a literal basic tenet of any system of law.

Because the Geneva Convention is literally an agreement between nations to act within certain bounds while interacting with other nations.

The Convention prevents engaging in warfare from within a civilian populace or upon a civilian populace are strictly those actions which stops us from attacking another's civilian population. Not that it ever stopped us and we literally do torture nonsignatory country citizens in our prisons outside the US so as to prevent such animals the due process rights granted to anyone within the US borders as granted by the Constitution.

Furthermore, as with all treaties, the enforcement lies between signatories. There's literally no one else to enforce them. The European Court of Justice does not deign to enforce anything against the US, nor does it have the authority to do so.

Lastly, I didn't make the claim about signatories - that was someone else's post - although it is essential in my own claim.

TLDR - you're completely wrong, and you're wrong in such an absurd manner.

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Test_user21 0 points ago +1 / -1

First of all, I'm going to Dismiss everything you type, since you don't even know the name of the subject we're debating- the 4th Geneva Conventions on Warfare, conventions, with an "s".

You literally have no idea what you're talking about - the fact that it's a treaty means it's not a contract. If there were an issue with the Conventions, the method to resolve whatever issue arises is contained therein. You can't go down to superior court and file a claim. Simply laughable.

Thousands of irregular combatants have been brought before international courts who were never a citizen of a signatory nation.

You're just making stuff up. There are very good resources, many on-line, explaining the Conventions, and their application- you should have acquainted yourself with some of those before commenting and then doubling-down.

Have a nice day.

You're Wrong.

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PeaceThroughStrength 2 points ago +2 / -0

Treaties ARE contracts which are entered into by signatory countries.

ZERO irregular troops have been brought before international courts since WW2. As a possible example to what you might be alluding to are the Serbians. The Serbians did not use irregular troops and they were brought within the GC on the claim that Serbia was a rump country from a signatory, former Yugoslavia.

ISIS are not irregular troops - they are designated terrorists and outside the convention. And they were never brought into international courts. And they have no rights outside those we might grant them which is why GIs ass-raping them in Guantanamo is perfectly legal though socially abhorent.

You are making shit up.

I know what I'm talking about, I use trade and tax treaties in my practice.

Start sourcing your stuff as it is embarrassing reading your statements.

It's clear you are full of shit and your interpretations fly in the face of any reasonable interpretation. Source your made-up bullshit or walk away.

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Test_user21 1 point ago +1 / -0

Mods, can you please deal with this guy? I pointed out in my first reply to him that his made-up nonsense is actually disproven by the very content of the document. Instead of just acknowledging that and moving on, he's gone psycho.

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PeaceThroughStrength 1 point ago +1 / -0

You really have no fucking clue what a treaty is do you?

I have those resources, I use them everyday in my practice. You clearly haven't used them.

Sit down, read what you wrote and try to back your shit up before you make unsubstantiated claims.

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Test_user21 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's not a contract, you, as a "citizen" can't go down to your local municipal court and file a grievance. The fact you that think that that was so is disturbing.

Now, you're doubling down again. It's OK to be wrong. And yes, many many many irregular troops have been brought before international courts and tribunals for punishment related to the Conventions.

Again, the fact you would just make stuff up is deeply disturbing.

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TaggartCiscontinenta 9 points ago +9 / -0

Am I the only one who thinks there’d be fewer wars without the Geneva Convention?

CORRECTION: changed fever to fewer

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TaggartCiscontinenta 8 points ago +8 / -0

My thinking was if people didn’t have an expectation of war to be free of atrocities there’d be no enthusiasm for elective/preemptive wars in places such as Iraq

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Randomite 2 points ago +2 / -0

US would hamstring its military bec 'public opinion', meanwhile, communist and other countries would pull out all the stops/

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molonlabe9 2 points ago +2 / -0

Some would argue that this already happened in Vietnam 50 years ago.

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splink 10 points ago +10 / -0

I want them to do way more than apologize. I want them to permanently step down and out of any and all political positions ever.

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MW23232 7 points ago +7 / -0

Seriously. Apologize? The Dems never seem to apologize, but they act like it is a grave matter. An apology is probably a joke for "these people are idiots".

Where did those little bastards get the lasers? You know they were provided by "someone" to blind the officers and they have had them ready to use for years probably, waiting for this moment. And what about all the machine guns that Newsom allegedly had shipped in thru Long Beach/ San Pedro from China? Are those going to be used next??????? Nothing was said about that again, nor the $1.5 billion he allegedly paid the Chinese for them. And they could be importing troops for all we know and NOTHING is done. Does the President even know about that. Maybe Parscale will hear about that thru the grapevine and they can ponder it for a while.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not good enough. I want them to try doing what jeffrey epstein supposedly did. Except I want them to be stopped, and held accountable for ALL their crimes. No easy way out.

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KekRaider1 9 points ago +11 / -2

Fuck apologies. Make them bleed. Bleed them for all of America to see. As a deterrent to all who would follow.

Hell, if you want to take it easy on them, kneel them down and use the SAME laser on THEIR eyes in front of international television!

Spanking children is effective in straitening out your kids. Spanking them in front of the whole neighborhood straightens out your kids for life AND plenty of lil pot lickers who watch.

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BaldyGull 4 points ago +4 / -0

I mean hollow points are also banned by geneva convention and most people with guns have them. But they also aren't using them for "protests".

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yet.

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THELEADERSOFMEN 37 points ago +37 / -0

BROWN SOUND NOW

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HocusLocus 17 points ago +17 / -0

~13 cycles per second. Only works on people who don't like poopy pants though. What assurance of that is there in this case? More info, search for '22:43'

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +8 / -0

none whatsoever

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yeahbuddyFspez 5 points ago +5 / -0

But what will happen since the pantifa cucks all have butt plugs in? Weaponized butt plugs simultaneously shooting all over the city?

Le horror. Let's do it.

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ModernKnight 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, pooping their pants will probably just make Antifa hard.

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Indianapede 8 points ago +8 / -0

I keep hearing of specific instances of the “diarrhea gun”. I’d love to see them melt a whole crowd with this. 400 people shitting themselves on the streets and they are all live-streaming it.

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Jack_NC 9 points ago +9 / -0

San Francisco simulator, complete with designated shitting streets.

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Eclectus13 4 points ago +4 / -0

I saw what you did there - Live streaming

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LongDongDonald420x69 32 points ago +32 / -0

I've been wondering this myself since this all started.

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Avenatti2020 14 points ago +14 / -0

Blast Nickeback on loudspeakers

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LurkingForTheWIN 12 points ago +12 / -0

I'm all for free helicopter rides for commies, but come on fren, that's just cruelty right there.

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ModernKnight 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just gonna leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGPq5fpfZGw

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 10 points ago +10 / -0

Blast trump rallies, they will have a stroke

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Shitposter69 2 points ago +2 / -0

"We will make America great again!"

->commies heads explode<-

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Indianapede 8 points ago +8 / -0

They kicked LEOs out of the last concert near me. They said “fuck it” and left. Called back later due to security breaches and escort out of town.

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fuckRedditMAGA2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

I can't imagine any LEOs would actually want to be at a Florida Georgia Line concert, except maybe as security. They're objectively some of the most shit music in history

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Kaarous 139 points ago +139 / -0

Seriously y'all, stop talking about the Geneva Conventions. They apply to uniformed soldiers in declared wars between signatory nations, and to absolutely nothing else.

That's why we're able to do things like bundle off Al Qaeda assholes to Gitmo and use white phosphorus on them, because Al Qaeda are not legal combatants under the Geneva Conventions.

And neither are these Antifa asswipes. That means that they don't have to obey the laws of war. It also means that the laws of war do not protect them.

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LtColVindmansVagina 42 points ago +42 / -0

We don't use white phosphorous specifically on soft human targets. We do our best, even when hunting AQI and Taliban, to adhere to Geneva protocols. I'm not saying Willie Pete hasn't been used to kill insurgents but I am saying it's advised against if you've got a soft target. Same with hollow point munitions. They've been used, but it's not routine.

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RackOps 16 points ago +16 / -0

I was a mortarman in Iraq.

We fired Willy Pete at personnel to "mark them for airstrikes" that never came.

We also fired "shake and bake" (WE/HE) mixes

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SoAngryRanger 4 points ago +4 / -0

13F

Directed 81mm mortars with WP at palm tree groves more than once to “burn out” anyone hiding in there.

Never got the chance in Afghanistan. Iraq had much more relaxed ROE.

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LtColVindmansVagina 3 points ago +3 / -0

You're talking about Lum rounds correct? I've called in a good amount of mortar strikes and we always got Willie p lums but HE FFE once we got on target

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RackOps 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, not illum rounds.

Smoke.

We could fire illum for point det, but didn't generally.

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Kaarous 5 points ago +13 / -8

We don't use white phosphorous specifically on soft human targets.

We say we don't. We make a big show of saying that we only use it on materiel. The various publications say that we only use it on materiel.

But we do use it on human targets, far more than the incident reports ever say.

Same with hollow point munitions.

That was going to be my next example, ammunition with increased flesh lethality instead of penetrating power.

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LtColVindmansVagina 29 points ago +29 / -0

What's your evidence? I've got significant time overseas as an infantryman and I've never seen it. I've been on every kind of raid from low level insurgents all the way to highly classified raids on HVTs. I've seen thermite used and have loaded my weapon with hollow points but I've never seen Willie Pete used on a human target.

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wethedownvoted 20 points ago +20 / -0

reporters used incidents of malfunctioned illum rounds to claim wp was used. naturally, they'd omit the malfunction part.

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LtColVindmansVagina 21 points ago +21 / -0

Fits my bias based on my own anecdotal experience. Now that I think about it more I've only ever been given WP lum rounds for my 203. I've never actually seen a WP grenade. We exclusively use thermite for anti material rounds, so I don't even know where I'd get a WP grenade

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wethedownvoted 15 points ago +15 / -0

13B here, we sure didn't have any.

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Kaarous 6 points ago +6 / -0

Now that I think about it more I've only ever been given WP lum rounds for my 203.

That's what I was referring to, a 40mm, not a hand grenade. I've never seen a WP hand grenade either.

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Kaarous 2 points ago +6 / -4

What's your evidence?

I'm not going to talk about my unit, since we weren't that big and I'd prefer not to give out dox info. That said, while I haven't seen it personally, I do know secondhand that a platoon in my unit used WP grenades on human targets on multiple occasions in the same deployment.

For my part, I've never seen or heard of any approved use of hollow point ammunition, but exceptions are everywhere and it serves no purpose to quibble.

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LtColVindmansVagina 15 points ago +16 / -1

I mean I'm not gonna rule out the idea that WP lum rounds have been shot at sheep herders and shit on OP's or when you're out there as a squad with very little oversight and hadj gets a little too close, but as far as overt use following the chain of command? Never seen or heard of it

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Kaarous 7 points ago +8 / -1

or when you're out there as a squad with very little oversight

It's this one. Our command was largely incompetent, they couldn't even manage to chapter overweight females and our supply guys were running a black market. We had very little adult supervision, so to speak.

but as far as overt use following the chain of command?

Oh I agree, that doesn't happen much if at all. Fallujah is the only instance I know of an overt use of WP.

What I am saying, is that regardless of what the manual says, stuff happens. The military, hell every military in history pretty much runs on tacitly ignoring the regs to actually get the job done.

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LtColVindmansVagina 10 points ago +10 / -0

I don't understand your point as it relates to your original post, then. You said to stop talking about the Geneva conventions as though they matter. I agree that WP has been used off label before, but that was usually covered up or never even heard about by the brass. If people found out and had good evidence to back it, heads would roll. So, in that sense they do matter. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when it comes to a courtroom the moral equivalence game doesn't always go so well. Certain actions are indefensible like a non justified use of Willie Pete to burn a fucker alive. Now, if they happen to have been in a fortified bunker and it was cleared through the chain of command or something... That's a different story.

As a guy actually out there operating I'd still do my very best to operate under the laws of war because in the sense that I could be executed or go to prison for life they do matter

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PeaceThroughStrength -1 points ago +2 / -3

I'm sorry, are you being serious or are you being a meme Mister, I mean, Lt. Colonel Vindman?

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SoAngryRanger 2 points ago +2 / -0

That was going to be my next example, ammunition with increased flesh lethality instead of penetrating power.

A la Mk262 mod1. Loaded with the 77gr Matchking.

We used that shit in everything.

The open tip is supposed to improve the ballistic coefficient of the bullet, but it upsets much more rapidly too.

It’s just labeled as a match bullet.

Edit: I got my wires crossed. Mk262mod1 is the OTM bullet. Not the tipped bullet. The point remains the same.

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Gobberwarts 9 points ago +11 / -2

The cool thing about the Geneva Conventions is; Once you break the Geneva Conventions in a particular conflict, you forfeit all of your rights under the Geneva Conventions.

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Kaarous 8 points ago +9 / -1

Yep. It's the only conceivable way to enforce them anyway, if you break it first then it's open season on you.

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Kaarous 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's a red herring to something that's already a felony anyway. Assaulting a federal office in the lawful course of his duties.

And worse, it's a red herring that gives the enemy an avenue to argue with, since tear gas is also a "banned weapon of war". Even if for entirely different reasons, it doesn't matter from a rhetorical standpoint.

Obfuscating their crimes with international law nonsense helps nobody except them.

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Kaarous 7 points ago +7 / -0

You can say "permanently blinded by socialist rioters" and it has the same rhetorical effect without giving them a "the cops are using tear gas and that's a war crime!" card to play.

By framing it as "war crimes" you're handing them the moral equivalency they otherwise wouldn't have.

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hit_backspace 2 points ago +2 / -0

Also any civilian who shoots them when they are hurting someone, is perfectly legally entitled to do so.

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Thiswillbeintheexam 1 point ago +2 / -1

The Geneva Convention only applies between European nations. No-one else even pretends to adhere to them.

Europeans had to find a way to tie one hand behind their back while war-fighting, just to give non-whites a chance.

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zoober_floober 86 points ago +89 / -3

I said it elsewhere and I'll say it again:

The INSTANT pipe bombs, molotovs, firearms, or lasers come out, it is time for live ammo in response. Shoot to fucking kill. Pile the fucking bodies. Too bad, so sad, don't care. You want to play hardass, here's some hardass.

The end.

Nothing will change my mind.

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sub-collector 25 points ago +26 / -1

It's about timing. It's all coming soon enough. Just think about how long similarly epic historic events took to develop. We are only 4 years into one of those, it may take a few more even possibly years to get to the resolution, which will be very violent, brutal, bloody, and quick although with a chance to follow with a lengthy insurrection. (Which is why I believe the PATRIOT act was extended all the way to now.)

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Aambrick 1 point ago +2 / -1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

The sheer magnitude of the Act itself was noted by Michael Moore in his controversial film Fahrenheit 9/11. In one of the scenes of the movie, he records Congressperson Jim McDermott (D-WA) alleging that no Senator had read the bill[169] and John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) as saying, "#We don't read most of the bills. Do you really know what that would entail if we read every bill that we passed?" Congressperson Conyers answers his own question, saying that if they did read every bill, it would "slow down the legislative process".[170] As a dramatic device, Moore then hired an ice-cream van and drove around Washington, D.C. with a loud speaker, reading out the Act to puzzled passers-by, including a few Senators.[171]

The hashtag marker is something I think everyone here should pay attention to. Yes I know it is from the Moore guy, but that part though is probably a large reason why we have some messed up stuff on the law books.

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Gobberwarts 10 points ago +13 / -3

agree... at that point, it's a declaration of war.

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Maker_Wolf 2 points ago +4 / -2

It's not that simple, most of these mobs are a mix of regular protesters and belligerents. You can't just shoot into a crowd because one person in the crowd has a gun for example.

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zoober_floober 9 points ago +10 / -1

If announced in broadband fashion beforehand, the burden of controlling the assholes then falls on their supporters.

ATTENTION: The use of firearms, gasoline bombs, lasers, etc---deadly weapons meant to kill or maim---will result in live fire being returned. Either go home now, or control the violent, destructive people among you. There is no C.

Yes, it is that simple.

Clear choice. No gray, no loopholes, no bullshit.

Clear communication is an amazingly effective tool when it comes to human behavior... the problem is it's used so rarely.

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Maker_Wolf 0 points ago +2 / -2

Protesting is a protected constitutional right, so no you can't just tell everybody to go home.

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sackofwisdom 4 points ago +5 / -1

If you're protesting in the middle of a war zone you can't bitch about getting shot.

These are riots from domestic terrorists by the way.

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Maker_Wolf 0 points ago +2 / -2

They're US citizens on US soil. I don't support them, but I do support their constitutional right to assemble. There are those among them committing crimes and I agree that those people should be dealt with.

If you can't even respect the constitution, what moral standing do you have?

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Maker_Wolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

If someone starts a fire or damages property that's a crime and you should be punished. But if person A commits a crime, and person B is nearby, then person B's rights aren't invalidated.

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zoober_floober 2 points ago +2 / -0

You are putting words in my mouth. Anyone who wants to stay can do so.

Just make clear what will happen if anyone on their side of the protest equation chooses to use deadly and/or maiming force.

Couldn't be simpler.

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RocketSurgeon22 75 points ago +75 / -0

What the fuck man. Brand your titles so it doesn't protect the bitches behind this. Anarchists = Big Corp Mob or BLM Marxists

Major League Baseball is putting BLM on their mound tonight. Well brand BLM to these crimes and the big companies funding them.

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Trump2030 70 points ago +72 / -2

They need to put snipers on the roof and start picking off the most violent.

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IceTag 5 points ago +5 / -0

I noticed that as well. I don't agree we should be going Tianaman square on people though

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Cray_cray_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

That guy has no fucking clue how badly he's getting used.

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hit_backspace 3 points ago +3 / -0

When bullets fly, 90% of them will run and the remaining are the real dangers to America. Systematically eliminate them first and then slowly arrest and jail the others. Could borrow some soft torture techniques from the CIA to get the names of all leaders.

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GeneralVeers 11 points ago +12 / -1

You rang........?

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GeneralVeers 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh, come on, why would anybody downvote my previous post???

Unless it was some teenage fan of the sequel trilogy who got triggered by Vader saying "General Veers, prepare your men!"

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elpoePehTeW 3 points ago +3 / -0

“PREPARE YOUR MEN!”

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Wrexxis780 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ironically, storm troopers are known for missing their target. This would actually be a good thing in this case though. Once any gunfire starts, rioters will scatter like roaches.

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MegaMagaManX 5 points ago +7 / -2

Would probably scare a few off but enrage the mob to become more violent. Media optics would be a shit show and more people would believe the propaganda and hit the streets

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2016TrumpMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

They would run like scared rats.

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meals23 9 points ago +9 / -0

this right here, there is actually a shitload of footage filmed during the jogger riots of the last two months where somebody fears for their life and fires off just one single round and the crowd immediately scatters and runs for their lives

you literally would not have to do anything other than fire a warning shot and they'd all shit their pants and leave. the only ones that'd be staying behind afterward would be glowies trying to start a luau

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2016TrumpMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly. They are cowards.

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BetsyFreedom85 55 points ago +55 / -0

This is infuriating. Another story about it in case anyone wants to read: https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/officials-federal-officers-may-have-been-permanently-blinded-by-lasers/

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rob0Pede 14 points ago +14 / -0

The only story. No source from OP

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kag-2077-kag 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thx boss. Also slightly different than OP title, says they have eye injuries and permanent blindness is possible but hasn't happened (yet). Either way awful stuff

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ImWithHurrDurr 3 points ago +3 / -0

OP should have had a source, as no news stories corroborate the post's title. No confirmed permanent blindness, no confirmed Geneva convention violations. We are better than fake news, the original story is terrible enough on its own without having to exagerate it.

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Verrerogo 40 points ago +40 / -0

Somebody got them this fancy equipment.

Somebody thought it up in the first place. Had the idea.

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buttfuckmebigfoot 25 points ago +25 / -0

Is the answer Soros? Because I'm making the educated guess of Soros

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nah, this is common knowledge in circles that have been trying to bring it into your attention but you all keep reading right past it because pfft, laser pointers.

Instant permanent blindness faster than you can blink handheld 5w lasers can be had for $300-400.

Luckily eyewear that offer excellent protection can be had for $40-60. Search my comment history and start spreading the word.

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NotRealDemSocialism 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is wrong. Color is wavelength, and protective eye wear is tailored to cover wide overlapping wavelength ranges.

Moreover, not all colors for lasers are as advanced as others. The techniques for producing lasers at blue and green wavelengths is sufficiently advanced to create powerful handheld options while red and yellow wavelengths can not.

The options I list in my comment history protect the spectrum that blue and green fall into, as well as many non visible uv as and ir rants, while remaining transmissible to red, yellow, and portions of green which green diodes don't emit at.

Red and yellow lasers are not currently powerful enough to be viable for this sort of attack. They won't create the instant permanent blindness that blues and greens can, nor the damage merely looking at the dot on a surface can.

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NotRealDemSocialism 2 points ago +2 / -0

We've actually been trying to warm you all for a while now, but it never Garner's traction. I was expecting them to hold back this tactic for November though, but like retards they played their hand too early.

You can get handhelds 5W blue lasers for $300

You can get invisible 2.5W IR lasers for the same

They'll permanently and devastatingly blind you faster than you can blink

"You can also get eye protection that filler or those wavelengths for $40-60*. Search my post history. Luckily the tech for the high watt stuff isn't there for reds and yellows so we're good, for now.

Antifa fucked up and now awareness will skyrocket and we'll all be viewing the world in lemon-ey safety.

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DatNewbChemist 31 points ago +31 / -0

Anita fags are still clearly begging for a Kent State situation and it's smart of Trump and Barr not to get it to that level. BUT THAT SAID... I think the Feds are completely justified in upping their responses now. One twitter comment made an excellent suggestion - high powered water cannon with dye so these bitches can be identified for days following be knocked to the ground (ideally with a few cracked ribs). If Feds see someone during the day time walking around with dye on their face, detain them under suspicion that they participated in a riot that escalated to the point of needing force.

It'd basically be a mark for days. Their friends would know who they are what they did, their work would know, everyone around them would know. Some may cheer it on, but not all. And if they show up to riot again, Feds can B-line to that individual and arrest/detain them knowing that they routinely take part in this. It's a win-win. The Feds are getting even more serious, there's the potential for social pressure to dissuade them (people aren't as bold when they don't get to hide behind a mask in the middle of the night), and the Feds can immediately recognize them while doing day patrols. This is how you take them out without going Kent State.

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Philhelm 4 points ago +4 / -0

The protesters already stink.

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ObamasButtPlug 5 points ago +5 / -0

Soap then?

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Cyer6 3 points ago +3 / -0

They really do need to invest or bring in much better tech for crowd control. Water cannon trucks work well as well as other kinetic devices. These terrorists are used to pepperballs and gas. Many are bringing gas masks. There's nothing they can do against a water cannon and it will make many of them think twice about taking one on. They need to up this game a bit.

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Peppers 1 point ago +1 / -0

Definitely dye, pure black, all of it

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RexDeepdoinker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wait, so the feds give them all blackface so they will hate themselves for wearing Blackface, including their Antifa friends; effectively creating a chain of internal culture cancellations.

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DatNewbChemist 2 points ago +2 / -0

Black may actually be counter productive as they do a lot of their rioting and assaulting innocent civilians at night. I think a fluorescent green or purple would look good - something that clearly stands out. Someone else suggested mixing the dye with some nasty smelling compounds and that’s also an excellent idea. Put some sulfur-thiols in the mix (same stuff that makes skunk spray smell awful). These losers need to be walking away from this looking like the Grinch, smelling like the ass of a rodent, and ideally with some cracked ribs. I’m thinking they’d be a lot less bold under those conditions. Then also add that I’m guessing a fair chunk of them have jobs (at least the ones that are employed) that are service based. Hit them in their wallet as a bonus because now the boss doesn’t want his smelly and green workers running away customers before orders are even placed.

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cyberpunkstreetart 1 point ago +1 / -0

Amazing idea!

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UmbraPax 28 points ago +28 / -0

I have seen designs for these laser weapons posted on different sites. I can confirm they are designed to emit wavelengths to destroy people's retinas. To build one of them you would have to know what they are designed to do. Anybody caught using them should get a helicopter ride.

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Jack_NC 4 points ago +4 / -0

you can see the green lasers in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kp12EV9_O0

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SendThemBackToCanada 1 point ago +1 / -0

Capture them all.

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Magaman_2 5 points ago +6 / -1

This is not a typical ebay green "astronomy" laser pointer?

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Neogeo 2 points ago +2 / -0

It most likely is. I get all the assuming of the worst here but odds are these are just random fucking people that bought a laser off Amazon. Nothing yet to show otherwise.

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UmbraPax 1 point ago +1 / -0

these are blue wavelength with very powerful outputs

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, these are high watt "blind you faster than you can blink" lasers that we've been trying to warm about for a while.

They are handheld and can be bought off the rack for a few hundred dollars. Green used to be the high watt diode of choice, hence the prevalence in low watt applications as well as revolutionary use, but blue tech jumped to the head a while back and has since made it to market at absurdly dangerous wattages.

Green as a weapon had been a thing for years, but if you see blue, shit is fucking real.

Search my comment history for $40-60 eye protection and buy them now before stock doesn't exist. For now we are lucky than yellow and red diode tech just aren't there yet, so defense options exist.

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago +1 / -0

You don't need to build them. You can buy of the rack handheld 5w blue lasers for $300-400

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DankoJones84 27 points ago +27 / -0

Lasers? Mortar launchers? Communication jammers? I wonder how the offenders got their hands on that sort of equipment? Follow the money!

Also, I hope he or she who blinded the LEOs enjoys their prison sentence. What a sick piece of shit.

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ForGodSakes 9 points ago +10 / -1

Lasers? Mortar launchers? Communication jammers? I wonder how the offenders got their hands on that sort of equipment? Follow the money!

You can buy green lasers on Amazon for less than $25 and mortar launchers for fireworks are nothing but cheap sections of metal pipe.. so those are very inexpensive to purchase or make.
Communication jammers to disrupt cell service can be made relatively inexpensively and there are schematics online.. I believe they are illegal to buy/own, but I have seen them for sale on sites like AliBaba (<$500) - not sure what happens if Customs flags them. (a few years ago I was interested in building a kind of 'drone gun' (just to see if it was possible) and looked into directional jammers. never built it, but that's why I had some knowledge about them).

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The_Chad_612 3 points ago +3 / -0

High powered lasers are pretty easy to buy/build. I have a couple 7W blue lasers I built. Was making a DIY laser cutter/engraver at the time and the parts were cheap enough to get extras and make burning laser pointers.

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can buy off the rack 5w blue lasers that will permanently blind you faster than you can blink for a few hundred dollars

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kalokagathia 16 points ago +16 / -0

"Cline said officers observed one individual taking pictures of a water intake system to the Edith Green Federal Building, which is also under FPS protection."

So poisoning the water supply is obviously on the table.

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Flcentipede 16 points ago +17 / -1

Helicopter rides

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meals23 10 points ago +10 / -0

the quote from Kennedy has been passed around a lot lately "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable"

It's being shared by commies because they think this is their violent revolution in response to a drug addicted waste of space. They don't understand the revolution already happened 4 years ago and they were on the other side of it. If they don't like the peaceful revolution of Donald Trump, they really aren't going to like what happens next

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Meatbank84 11 points ago +11 / -0

Time to take the kid gloves off. Live rounds now.

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angryamerican1964 10 points ago +11 / -1

aim a laser get a 308 round in the head

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Keep_on_winning_kag 10 points ago +10 / -0

I saw green laser lights during that portland antifa raid where the feds showed up.

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago +1 / -0

When you see blue lasers shit will have gotten double real.

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Jimmy33 8 points ago +8 / -0

Domestic terrorism

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MagaMita 2 points ago +2 / -0

Here, here! 🇺🇸

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GEoP 7 points ago +7 / -0

Pretty sure the feds can track down everyone who has bought one of those high powered laser weapons on the internet.

🤔 Let's see if they bother...

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OrangeElvis 6 points ago +7 / -1

Source!

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Kiras 5 points ago +5 / -0

If we can't shoot them then hit them with water canons. These fuckers would think twice after their $900 phones get wrecked.

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Monzie 5 points ago +5 / -0

Isn't that crimes against humanity kind of shit?

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based_retard 4 points ago +4 / -0

Let me get this straight. The media complains of 'tear gas use because muh laws of war' but it's only banned because it can't be distinguished from poison gas, then literally use indistinguishable weapons that are cruel weapons

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Thedeadliestmau5 4 points ago +4 / -0

Please don’t ban anything especially lasers thank you very much

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Deathlessly 4 points ago +4 / -0

The funny thing is that we could have ended this quietly if we had a CIA that's on our side who can break this mob from the inside.

Instead, we probably have the country's best Spooks working for Soros and the Democrats.

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Kiras 4 points ago +5 / -1

Van them? Just shoot their asses.

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Yeti2 3 points ago +3 / -0

Horrible news.

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underhalfwhit 3 points ago +3 / -0

Over on that scumbag site reddit, r/portland is loving injured officers and is openly out for more blood.

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snekipede 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lawyer pedes, would fear of loss of vision hold up in court as justification for lethal force?

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Reltius 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s embarrassing how pussass our government is

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gillonba 3 points ago +4 / -1

No, it's probably time to stop screwing around

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HTTP_404 3 points ago +3 / -0

Life imprisonment for this kind of scum. No parole, ever.

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HTTP_404 4 points ago +4 / -0

What? This is getting ridiculous. Dress the feds in that color and ask a different judge to order them to attack.

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Boog_boi45 2 points ago +2 / -0

please does anyone have source for this. I can redpill a few people with it.

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Trump_USA_2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

I can think of so many ways to play with those antifa anarchist motherfuckers.

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abstr4ct 2 points ago +2 / -0

Block twitter as a criminal tool. They will cry and call a Uber to go home.

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winsome 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aren't there goggles for protection?

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gopatriots 2 points ago +2 / -0

What can they protect their eyes with?

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gopatriots 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hope they come up with something fast.

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anon572759 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's called bullets and sniper over watch.

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AstronoMink 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm pursuing my graduate degree in optics & photonics right now--Put simply, you don't fuck around with this shit. Potentially dangerous lasers that you can easily buy look harmless & like any low-power light, but can do serious damage when used irresponsibly.

While it may look like they're permanently blind right now, there's a chance they might still recover. A professor at my school had a laser accident while working on one of his experiments years ago--Looked like he was going to be permanently blind in 1 eye because he couldn't see anything out of the one that got hit. But after some time, his sight came back.

Depends on the exposure time & their body's ability to regenerate the type of tissue involved, but here's to praying that the officers will recover! 🙏

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Block_Helen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Goddamn these people.

Bring the van cavalry.

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Flipbarryfromreddit 2 points ago +2 / -0

Antifa and BLM are literal evil!!!!!!!!!!

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ManInAVanWithAPlan 1 point ago +1 / -0

So many people are driven to violence by outrage mobs like BLM, Antifa, Extinction Rebellion and Fridays for Future that brutal fighting in the streets will soon be the norm instead of political discussions... So what can we do as conservatives?

Fight back violently, be branded as evil by the MSM, and lose the culture war due to a lack of support from the people?

Or remain peaceful and lose the culture war as hyperagressive hordes hell-bent on destroying everything we value take the victory by force?

That is not an easy position to be in. I still hope that in the end, the good guys always win.

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mumblenuggets 1 point ago +1 / -0

Imagine what Democrats will do with permanent power.

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smalltowndetroit 1 point ago +1 / -0

Weren't they all slinging crocodile tears about how tear gas is banned or some shit? Can't even lead by example, damn

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TampaMAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

Where are the links? If I missed them my bad, but we got to do a better job of providing sources

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TampaMAGA 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow, thanks pede