And Back, pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening;
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My post was NOT about Francis H. who is credited with the design. He wrote much on it, no sketch survives. But his is in the right places at the right times, to see the design process gets thru Congress, and into a tailors hands.
Historical and cultural speaking the maker of the first flag would NOT have been a woman. Male and female tailors are a separate trade. "MantauMakers" [a female tailor] only made women and children cloathes. Tailors made mens. boys clothes, sails and standards and ensigns for the military, amoung other things.
Source? Employed by the US National Parks Service, Concord and Lexington, MA. And an historical tailor, for 20 years
Interesting. Do you have a link to something? I tried searching and couldn't find anything about a Tailor John Hopkins or a John Hopkins (as you can imagine, Johns Hopkins insists on inserting itself into the results, and Hopkinson naturally comes up in most of them). I had never even heard that the Betsy Ross story first came up years later.
First, Pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening
NOW!
My thanks for an open and curious mind. Some more tidbits, and the answers. Betsy Ross, the cherry tree story, the Washington throws a dollar coin across the river and MORE are all very early 19th century fables designed to create a US National Identity without the English Colony 'baggage' The biggest peddler of this was Parson Weems.
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Now to a link- for that I must defer, I have been retired from the NPS for many years, and will have to search it out.
And I am not surprised to find out you did not find him in a Search. ALL the Flag creation story borrow from one and another. Little to no real research goes into any website it seems.
If I may, I will let you read of Parson Weems, while I hunt up the sources
Its a fine founding fable, BUT the maker of the flag was Tailor John Hopkins, its in the Records, Miss Ross is not-- but its a lovely fable.
Note, the artist is uninformed, the first flags had 06 pointed stars
Are you talking about Francis Hopkinson, who claimed to have designed it but probably didn't?
And Back, pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening; NOW My post was NOT about Francis H. who is credited with the design. He wrote much on it, no sketch survives. But his is in the right places at the right times, to see the design process gets thru Congress, and into a tailors hands.
Historical and cultural speaking the maker of the first flag would NOT have been a woman. Male and female tailors are a separate trade. "MantauMakers" [a female tailor] only made women and children cloathes. Tailors made mens. boys clothes, sails and standards and ensigns for the military, amoung other things.
Source? Employed by the US National Parks Service, Concord and Lexington, MA. And an historical tailor, for 20 years
Interesting. Do you have a link to something? I tried searching and couldn't find anything about a Tailor John Hopkins or a John Hopkins (as you can imagine, Johns Hopkins insists on inserting itself into the results, and Hopkinson naturally comes up in most of them). I had never even heard that the Betsy Ross story first came up years later.
First, Pardon the late reply, I am here only of an evening NOW!
My thanks for an open and curious mind. Some more tidbits, and the answers. Betsy Ross, the cherry tree story, the Washington throws a dollar coin across the river and MORE are all very early 19th century fables designed to create a US National Identity without the English Colony 'baggage' The biggest peddler of this was Parson Weems. \
Now to a link- for that I must defer, I have been retired from the NPS for many years, and will have to search it out.
And I am not surprised to find out you did not find him in a Search. ALL the Flag creation story borrow from one and another. Little to no real research goes into any website it seems.
If I may, I will let you read of Parson Weems, while I hunt up the sources
Update: I just sent a request for HELP to the North American Vexillologist Assc. to being the research for you. More to follow.
And I had to look up your 'handle'-- A very nice touch and a view into you Life