You don't need a degree to be successful yes yes yes. there are many many engineers who are also proud of the fact that they did not complete a college education. proud. being able to suffer through a worthless 4 years at a college and receive honors is not a mark of distinction. it means that you are an exceptionally good ass-kisser.
This reminds me of something back when I was in college, I studied engineering and there was some mid 50s guy also studying engineering there. He said he worked as an engineer for decades at his company, but at the time they made it a requirement that any engineer working there has to have a degree. So this man, who has been working in the role for decades and was not too far off from retirement, had to go back to school to “learn engineering” lmfao.
College is weird. I don’t think I use anything I learned in college. Besides stuff like doctors or lawyers, I doubt any job out there exists where college is a better use of 4 years than just doing on the job training.
advanced training - yes, formal college degree - no.
I have worked in comms for 35+ years, I don't have a college degree, yet I have worked on and lead some of the highest profile jobs in my field (and some!).
over the years I have had to recruit thousands of people into the field, at all levels, and after the imposition of HR into industry, it got a whole lot harder, they would filter out anybody without a degree etc etc, and all I was left with were overconfident morons to pick from, who think their bit of paper meant they were ready to take on a high profile leadership role with zero actual real experience of anything.
I cannot even count the number of times I have had to go back to HR and read the riot act to them to prise out the CV's of the people that can actually do the job.
This is not a one off, or even a one-company issue, I work freelance, I have worked for well over 50 companies in my time, and with rare exception, they are all going the same way.
I'm not saying college is bad, however, it's not the be-all of training, and these days what they seem to teach is relevant to what's required in the real world.
I have a mate whose grandson is starting college at Silverstone (race engineering etc), however, he has to dress in a suit and tie every day and so far has yet to learn how to successfully wield a spanner! - I have no idea what he/they hope to get from this.
comms and in telecommunications - as in everything from datacomms to cell phones, satellites, etc etc.
funny story - few years back I was trying to fill a telecoms manager post (for a big corporate), as usual, HR flooded me with CV's, and in the middle of all of them I found somebody who's current job was as a marcomms manager - when back to HR and asked them how they though this person was in any way suitable - their answer what 'well, it's comms isn't it?'
I actually took the time to phone the person up and suggest they might want to get a better agent if this is the kind of jobs they were submitting her for, said person was horrified!
Formal education, yes, university shite, nobody really learns shit there apart from how to have a superiority complex (I'm generalising somewhat of course!)
I started my working life at 17 programming, mostly Cobol, then moved into real time stuff, Corral 66, Pascal, etc. then into industry specific stuff, all this was done outside of full-time education, usually in block-release (6 weeks at a time) whilst working.
From there I went into system engineering, bit of product management, project management, etc etc until I went freelance as a consultant/PM working for people like Nortel/Airtouch/Nextel/Northrop Grumman/Conoco/Gulf Air/etc etc.
I still don't have a degree, however, I am highly technical, extremely adaptable into different industries, and have worked on every continent of this planet.
In my time, I have seem way too many college graduates from significant universities etc. who are utterly usless, not all, but a surprising percentage, typically the best people I find are the ones that applied themselves to learning what they need to get on.
I accept in the field of pure research, maybe college is the way to go, but realistically, just how many people does that cover? even the likes of Elon Musk dropped out to do something more constructive.
I work in a tech center and my job is a combination of explaining how to replace batteries and how to design hvac systems for commercial buildings. I use nothing I learned in college. More importantly, the stuff I learned in college is stuff I was introduced to in high school.
If you went to college, arn't you glad you took those social studies classes? Learned about psychology? Took a film class where you watched stupid films and then bitched about them? Didn't that just open your mind?
Should have gone to school for mechanical engineering or a trade when I got out of the Army. My 1SG even told me to go to school for engineering as I was leaving.
It's a good show and had good philosophy regarding work but don't glorify trades too much... Without a professional degree or career you have little influence in society. Right wingers will always dominate trades, we need more white collars.
He did an interview with Bill Burr on some show and it was just great. They are all in awe of him. What a legend. He talks about almost dying while diving. Here it is
https://youtu.be/zMsdUl4SY_Q
Ask and you shall receive https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/mike-rowe-takes-dirty-jobs-back-on-the-road-in-return-to-discovery/
Damn, I didn’t know this show just recently came back. I’m going to watch it this week if I can find it online.
He's the best!
His TED talk is great, highly recommend anyone to check it out
You don't need a degree to be successful yes yes yes. there are many many engineers who are also proud of the fact that they did not complete a college education. proud. being able to suffer through a worthless 4 years at a college and receive honors is not a mark of distinction. it means that you are an exceptionally good ass-kisser.
This reminds me of something back when I was in college, I studied engineering and there was some mid 50s guy also studying engineering there. He said he worked as an engineer for decades at his company, but at the time they made it a requirement that any engineer working there has to have a degree. So this man, who has been working in the role for decades and was not too far off from retirement, had to go back to school to “learn engineering” lmfao.
College is weird. I don’t think I use anything I learned in college. Besides stuff like doctors or lawyers, I doubt any job out there exists where college is a better use of 4 years than just doing on the job training.
advanced training - yes, formal college degree - no.
I have worked in comms for 35+ years, I don't have a college degree, yet I have worked on and lead some of the highest profile jobs in my field (and some!).
over the years I have had to recruit thousands of people into the field, at all levels, and after the imposition of HR into industry, it got a whole lot harder, they would filter out anybody without a degree etc etc, and all I was left with were overconfident morons to pick from, who think their bit of paper meant they were ready to take on a high profile leadership role with zero actual real experience of anything.
I cannot even count the number of times I have had to go back to HR and read the riot act to them to prise out the CV's of the people that can actually do the job.
This is not a one off, or even a one-company issue, I work freelance, I have worked for well over 50 companies in my time, and with rare exception, they are all going the same way.
I'm not saying college is bad, however, it's not the be-all of training, and these days what they seem to teach is relevant to what's required in the real world.
I have a mate whose grandson is starting college at Silverstone (race engineering etc), however, he has to dress in a suit and tie every day and so far has yet to learn how to successfully wield a spanner! - I have no idea what he/they hope to get from this.
not that sort of comms!
comms and in telecommunications - as in everything from datacomms to cell phones, satellites, etc etc.
funny story - few years back I was trying to fill a telecoms manager post (for a big corporate), as usual, HR flooded me with CV's, and in the middle of all of them I found somebody who's current job was as a marcomms manager - when back to HR and asked them how they though this person was in any way suitable - their answer what 'well, it's comms isn't it?'
I actually took the time to phone the person up and suggest they might want to get a better agent if this is the kind of jobs they were submitting her for, said person was horrified!
Formal education, yes, university shite, nobody really learns shit there apart from how to have a superiority complex (I'm generalising somewhat of course!)
I started my working life at 17 programming, mostly Cobol, then moved into real time stuff, Corral 66, Pascal, etc. then into industry specific stuff, all this was done outside of full-time education, usually in block-release (6 weeks at a time) whilst working.
From there I went into system engineering, bit of product management, project management, etc etc until I went freelance as a consultant/PM working for people like Nortel/Airtouch/Nextel/Northrop Grumman/Conoco/Gulf Air/etc etc.
I still don't have a degree, however, I am highly technical, extremely adaptable into different industries, and have worked on every continent of this planet.
In my time, I have seem way too many college graduates from significant universities etc. who are utterly usless, not all, but a surprising percentage, typically the best people I find are the ones that applied themselves to learning what they need to get on.
I accept in the field of pure research, maybe college is the way to go, but realistically, just how many people does that cover? even the likes of Elon Musk dropped out to do something more constructive.
I work in a tech center and my job is a combination of explaining how to replace batteries and how to design hvac systems for commercial buildings. I use nothing I learned in college. More importantly, the stuff I learned in college is stuff I was introduced to in high school.
If you went to college, arn't you glad you took those social studies classes? Learned about psychology? Took a film class where you watched stupid films and then bitched about them? Didn't that just open your mind?
Should have gone to school for mechanical engineering or a trade when I got out of the Army. My 1SG even told me to go to school for engineering as I was leaving.
And willing to pay lip-service to the liberal agenda.
He ran out of job suggestions, that's why the show ended.
Try police officer, I hear it’s turned into a real Dirty Job.
His best material was when he hosted the QVC graveyard shift. There's some funny ass videos of him just going off on weird tangents.
I would watch reruns of this over any sport 7 days a week.
Always upvote Mike Rowe!
It's a good show and had good philosophy regarding work but don't glorify trades too much... Without a professional degree or career you have little influence in society. Right wingers will always dominate trades, we need more white collars.
Anybody caught the new show “tough as nails?” It’s not perfect but I see many glimpses of America in it.
He did an interview with Bill Burr on some show and it was just great. They are all in awe of him. What a legend. He talks about almost dying while diving. Here it is https://youtu.be/zMsdUl4SY_Q
I’d vote for him