George Floyd autopsy: 4x's the amount of Fentanyl needed to kill, plus meth and pot.
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I keep telling people that Floyd died of a drug overdose while resisting arrest. The cops tried to save him - that's why they immobilized him.
However, America is now controlled by racists and racist ideals. Because Floyd was black, the reality is ignored. Even here, people have told me what the cops did was wrong.
What Floyd did to himself was wrong.
We're just up the road from Louisville KY and the Breonna Taylor case (the one that ppl have been screaming "Oh that dear young black woman EMT that got murdered in her sleep cause those nasty cops had the wrong house on the no knock warrant" Um. No. She WAS an EMT at one point but was working as an ER tech at two local hospitals at the time of her death. Cops had the RIGHT address, she and her boyfriend were BOTH awake, and at first that boyfriend told cops SHE was the one who fired, not him. Source for everything I just said here) But it doesn't matter to the protesters, no matter how much you try to show them the proof in the local news articles, they're right and everyone else is wrong. They're screaming for the cops involved in the shooting to be arrested (one has been fired) and rumor has it the investigation by FBI and Attorney general office is wrapping up soon. If those three cops aren't arrested, I fully expect shit to hit the fan here BIG time.
The family even declined to press charges until May 21st. They know she fucked up. The event happened in March.
Zealots don’t care about proof.
Strange how supposedly he was the one that fired, but she's the one that got shot several times. Very strange.
For those unaware, the Minneapolis DA refused for a long time to release the George Floyd body cam video to the public, which really isn't her right. That footage is of extreme public interest and it belongs to the public. Now it's available, but can only be viewed by appointment.
However, some 'Pede out there made a FOIA request to the records department for the written transcript and received the transcript. I heard an unconfirmed report that the employee who fulfilled the request was fired--could not find any information on that.
In the transcript it is overwhelmingly obvious that George is on heavy drugs, and even his friends aren't certain what's up with him. He tells the arresting officers that he was "hooping" - this is when you smuggle drugs up your ass. Due to the enormous amount of Fentanyl found in George's system, it seems that the baggy he was using to hoop may have broken open and allowed the Fentanyl to be absorbed into his large intenstine.
I don't believe anything on Earth could have saved his life.
Did they ever release the bodycam videos?
If not, why aren't we screaming about that?
My current understanding is you can view them only in person and by appointment and I'm in no position to attempt to do that. They absolutely cannot afford those videos going on the internet and being scrutinized by the public, the contents of the transcript make that clear. Combined with the autopsy report, those videos either exonerate the cops, or make clear that George was killed due to bad or failed personal (criminal) business between them.
Wtfffff
I thought it was Minnesota DA Keith Ellison himself that was sitting on the tapes. Eliison is scum. He knows damn well Chauvin will walk on murder 2 charges. Everything will come out at a trial, including the tapes they are sitting on. Chauvin walks or at worst gets aggravated assault and the riots start all over again. But Keith Ellison is an admitted Antifa sympathizer so none of this shit surprises me.
I keep mixing up Ellison (MN) with Gardner (MO)
Which lethal dose of fentanyl? The first, second, third, or fourth lethal dose?
Ah you're right, I didn't. I had previously heard it was 4x the fatal limit. Floyd had 11 ng/mL which is slightly more than the average fatal dose but 15x an observed minimal fatal dose. George Floyd killed George Floyd.
Here is the medical study I found about fentanyl fatal doses and on page 8:
https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.umd.edu/files/ndews-hotspot-unintentional-fentanyl-overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf
well how do you know the knee was placing tons of force on his neck and not gently placed to keep floyd's head down so he wouldn't choke on his vomit? if the knee wasn't his full body weight, why remove it?
This is what I've been saying. They can get manslaughter to stick on the one cop as the guy died in his custody, but that's it. And then that happens, all the black people are going to attempt to burn the suburbs.
They knew he was on drugs and they were telling him to calm down before he had a heart attack. It's very likely the manslaughter charge will stick.
Exactly. But because of the systemic racism in the nation, the four cops are facing murder charges.
Systematic racist is another name for Democrats. Change my mind.
I 100% believe Chauvin could be a shit cop.
I'd to so far as to say the prosecuter who let him off after previous issues shouldn't have, given the circumstances made public of those investigations.
I even thought the toxicology report may have been falsified/floundered when it was reported had 11mg/u of fent(3mg is fatal), and 17mg/u of meth(8-12mg is major hallucination).
But the transcript is clear. The man was begging for help, something about his face hurting, being claustrobic, thinking he was having a heart attack, etc from less than 4 minutes into the transcript. He was already long gone. It's possible a Naloxone intervention could have extended his survival until EMT could arrive - but in not having that, immobilizing him was probably the best move and likely extended his life by minutes.
Also, he asked to lay down before they ever said to do so. He requested it. I don't believe chauvin murdered him. I believe it was a legitimate overdose.
Better have ammo stocked up when the public is informed. Cause if you think this is bad... It's about to get a lot worse.
I actually think narcan would’ve killed him faster. Look at 8-balling (opiates and cocaine), basically you’re pumping the brakes and the gas at the same time. If you pass out, they narcan you which turns off the opiate receptors and you die of the cocaine OD fastlike. I believe River Phoenix died of that iirc.
This is the first I’d heard of his tox screen results OR the hooping, and I’ve been trying to keep an eye out for it.
Plus if you read the autopsy, you can see he had a few heart problems. Speedballing and heart problems are a death sentence.
Floyd asks to be laid on the ground, says he can’t feel his face, and says he’s probably going to die all before Chauvin puts a knee on him.
This will come out in trial, and no jury will convict on second degree murder to what is most probably a drug overdose.
At least I hope. Although I hope whoever the defence attorney is has good personal security.
Saint Floyd with his Air Jordan’s Eternal is jogging in peace now.
Yeah but he was a big man. High tolerance. He didn do nuthin. He wuz a good boy. He had just released a new mixed tape and wuz on the road to fame.
Exactly.
Knowing no other details of the case, you can be sure of two things: 1) Floyd had a helluva lot more than twenty bucks worth of drugs on him and / or in him; 2) he sure as hell did not pay for those drugs with counterfeit money, else he would have been a dead man before he ever got out on the street.
Floyd and Chauvin both used to work together at a night club with a suspicious history that suggests it may be tied to money laundering and counterfeiting. My theory was that Chauvin was sent to silence Floyd because his attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 bill would have led to questions after he was arrested and that Floyd might have talked about the operation and gotten them all in shit. But who fucking knows anymore.
I'm willing to buy the Chauvin is a dirty cop angle. But I don't think he killed Floyd. I'm apt to believe it was a legitimate overdose since reading the transcript.
I agree. I had that theory in the first 3-5 days after the incident. We have learned more now. People have tried to argue that Floyd, as a drug addict, would have had tolerance to Fentanyl and thus hooping should not have killed him, but that's because they don't understand that while your tolerance to the pain relief and euphoria of opiates develops quickly, your tolerance to their respiratory depression effects develops very slowly and never catches up.
Yeah, I'm not sure on that either. But it's hard to understand why Chauvin restrained George on the ground basically until he died, despite his obvious distress and pleas by members of the public to let him up and help him. We now know George did not die of blood loss to the brain, but a massive fentanyl overdose causing respiratory depression which began occurring before the police even arrived. We also know George told the police he was hooping so they had reason to believe he may have been exposed to drugs inside his rectum (and it's very common for persons under arrest to swallow smuggled drugs when the police approach, which can produce a similar result as what happened to Floyd). So perhaps Derek didn't KILL George, but he certainly did not render first aid or attempt to determine if George was having a heart attack, panic attack, drug overdose, allergic reaction, or any other kind of situation requiring medical aid. He just... kneeled.
Indeed. He was also the last one on the scene and Ellison's inappropriate guarding of the bodycam videos proves the old adage that you don't hide something if there's nothing to hide. The paramedics that showed up were clearly not paramedics and performed absolutely no life-saving or diagnostic work on George before chucking him in the back of an ambulance like a side of beef. Before George is even on the ground, he complains he can't breathe, calls for his mommy, and asks that others tell his kids that he loves them. He knows he's going to die well before there are any attempt by the police to arrest him and his friends don't know what the fuck is up with his freakout, the best they can say is "he got shot once?"
That’s why they won’t release the video. It took him eight minutes to dig the stash back out with the tip of his baton ;(
thas Racis
And he had more counterfeit money on him. Not just the one fake $20 bill.
I mean, that’s a storybook, man.
2020, the year America burned because the democrats championed some crackhead
*Violent Felon Crackhead Drug Smuggler
Again. Rodney King was a crackhead too.
You'd think if the police really were racists just looking to kill black people every once in a while they're kill a black guy who was a good guy. Works, has a family, etc. Instead they seem to only every kill someone who is high on drugs, had a mile long rap sheet, was fighting them, is actively committing crimes, etc.
Definitely. He couldn't breathe and he was calling for his momma while he was still standing, before they even put him in the car.
Sooooo... he died of Covid?
You kid, but yes, he tested positive for coronavirus and in the bodycam transcripts/footage he was telling cops he couldn't breathe before they laid a hand on him.
He arrived alive at the hospital. The cops didn't kill him. Yeah, you could say he's a covid death.
He's probably more of a COVID death than a significant portion of those officially counted
Uh oh, the narrative is starting to fracture. Quick! Fire up the "PEACEFUL PROTESTS"!
A pretty significant case thereof.
My brother used to go around on home invasions and he once held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach. And now he's dead.
Probably swallowed his stash when he saw the cops.
Then he realized he fucked up and knew he was probably going to die.
That would explain why he said “tell my kids I love them”.
The whole country is on the brink of some sort of civil unrest all because some meth head got killed.
It is sexism to talk about his deadly overdose levels of fentanyl.
Plus tbe 'rona.
george kirby?
It wouldn't matter if he was role-playing Rambo marching down the street killing everyone he came across.
The aim is not even to send the police at the scene away for years. Its to make sure that some of them will walk free near or around November. They want another round of black riots. Since it's only really middle-aged white liberals on the streets now.
The body cam will be presented as evidence anyway. Its the main reason it's not been released as it shows them trying to save his life.
Fentanyl Floyd for the win. You can view the autopsy on that news site (somehow) but it looks like Scribd took down the ability to view it on their site.
who the hell is George Floyd. hahaha. That was just an act in the larger play. prove me wrong
I think he's related to this dude.
Unfortunately, young Gilligan is in the hospital after impaling himself on the seat post of his stationary bamboo bicycle after the Professor converted the bike into a primitive Peloton exercise cycle using the ship's portable FM radio. At least that's what Gilligan told the doctors when he showed up with bloody buttocks at the ER on the weekend.
The Skipper is despondent after a failed attempt to ferment coconut milk to get Ginger sloshed and drop her standards (among other things).
I'll give both of them your regards.
yepper, case solved!
He was THIS close to being a Supreme Court justice. Damn shame...
Holy shit...he died of COVID.
Article was corrected, it was not 4x lethal amount of fentanyl
Good to know. Thanks.
He was hooping and a bag burst.
Seriously though, what's new? Guy with a heart problem blew it out like it was the 4th of July 🎆
The family and the media will still say he was a "good kid"
WHAT A TRULY STUNNING AND BRAVE MAN
Who? Everyone forgot about this guy weeks ago, especially the democrats.
he had a syringe in his knee
He should have been executed for the home invasion robbery years ago.
Police need to speak up and show how hard it is to arrest someone that’s high out of their mind, doesn’t feel pain and doesn’t give a fuck about the cop trying to go home in one piece to their significant other and children. Meth use will put you on heart medicine eventually.
Where did you get the counterfit cash Fentanyl Floyd?
BLM activists are morons.they did videos with their knees on people and they disproved the MSM narrative of derik chauvin killing George Floyd.why didn’t reasonable people request for the body cam immediately this happened.? Body-cam is more reliable than any video camera because it covers the best and most accurate evidence of any interaction.
Yeah, seems like race riots part two will kick off in time for the election, if the trial can get underway by then. Really doesn’t seem likely Chauvin will get sentenced with murder two. Something lesser probably.
I don't think the POT killed him, so why even mention it? The Meth, the Fent, the liberal poison, yes, the pot......NO!
What, causing him to become violent and aggressive? No, that's not how pot works.
Maybe not by itself but with the stew he had brewing inside of him, who knows?
Just FYI
Thanks for the update
Is now a good kirby.
Drug baggy in his ass probably ruptured.
He ate a bunch of drugs he had on him when he knew the cops were coming
He looks retarded in the eyes! No wonder he was dumb enough to flash a fake 20 from the Club he had worked at! Convenient they burned the Club and the precinct that may have had info of the investigation into the Clubs counterfeiting scheme.
Let the riots 2.0 begin
LD50, but would not a heavy user have some built up resistances?
It's disgraceful how so many people on this very forum, in the early days, were shitting on the cops that arrested Floyd; just like the Commmie Leftists were doing, calling him a racist POS.
If we could get over the phobia of being called racists, we might actually have a chance.
Remind me why we are martyring someone like him? Are we trying to send a message to our kids that it's okay to be an animal? Fkin hell. Free the cops.
Four times the amount needed to kill someone with no tolerance.....
It's like most people have zero clue how opiate tolerances work.....
A seasoned heroin addict can take 10x+ the "lethal dose" and not even catch a buzz.....
Tolerance to the analgesic and euphoric effects of opioid medications develops much much much more quickly than tolerance to the respiratory depression effects. This is one of the reasons that opioid use is so dangerous and why opioid overdose now kills more people than car crashes. As the user begins to perceive that their usual dosage is no longer effective, they increase the dosage and they stop breathing before they achieve their desired high.
Additionally, the more powerful the opioid, the smaller the margin for error becomes. Fentanyl is in the ball park of 50-100 times more powerful than Morphine, and because it is highly lipid-soluble it has a very easy time getting into the central nervous system. A lot of famous people have died of Fentanyl overdoses including one of my favorite musicians, Tom Petty (though he was taking several other things too).
I've been around the shit my entire life... I know all too well...
None of what you said changes the fact that what science calls a "lethal dose" can be taken 10 times over by seasoned addict and they will barely even feel it. Any of it.
Going off of the lethal dose, which is taken from how much it takes to kill a mouse scaled up to a human's weight, has absolutely nothing to do with a person's "personal lethal dose" when you're talkin about an opiate addict with a very high tolerance.... Their lethal dose will be way the fuck higher than an opiate naive person or mouse, which is exactly what those numbers are derived from.
Only an idiot medical examiner would say something like someone has x number amount of the lethal dose of an opiate, because if they're actual doctors then they fucking know better and they know that statement is completely useless unless you knew the actual tolerance level of the person in question.... that is an utterly useless statement unless you're only talking strictly about opiate naive people, which he clearly wasn't.
This isn't something that can be argued about, it's a fact.
The lethal dose you read about in textbooks doesn't mean a damn thing except for in scientific controls or a person that never takes opiates at all. They don't mean shit on the street where people can bang an entire gram in one shot and not die, even still function like complete normal, but an opiate naive person could take 1/20th of that and kill over in a few minutes....
I do not disagree with you about the statement "4 times the lethal dose" being useless because as you say, the whole concept of LD50 is pretty terrible given that it's extrapolated from creatures that are not humans. That's like saying "I was able to punch a sewing needle through this aluminum foil, so I should easily be able to punch an ice pick through this 1" aluminum plate"
Still deserved to live: he asked for air and the cop didn't care
I agree that he deserved to live, regardless of his criminal past and present. But nothing on Earth could have saved his life. You can die from a 10-20% overdose on Fentanyl. It is a powerful respiratory depressant and tolerance to the pain-relieving effects develops very quickly, while tolerance to the respiratory depression develops very slowly. He hooped so much Fentanyl that he was a dead man walking, and he himself knew it. Before he was even put on the ground he was saying he couldn't breathe, crying for his mother, and asking others to tell his kids that he loves them. You could have injected Suboxone into his heart with a turkey baster and he'd still be dead.
This is delusional. Completely berserk. Floyd was not resisting in the video from every angle possible. This was a ridiculous move on a person that you don't know the preconditions. If you don't think Derek is an asshole, then the problem is elsewhere.
Just shout "racist" so I can deport the post already
Wow. This has nothing to do with race.
Okay, my mistake. I must have misunderstood you. Apologies.
look up the transcript of the police camera, you may find you were wrong about the cop. Floyd was a garbage drug using, woman abusing, counterfietting piece of shit. Nothing of value was lost.
He was a free man and according to the law, he has the same value than anybody else. He was not some fugitive from jail. Therefor his past has nothing to do with it, his life has the same value and must be protected.
Floyd had OD'd on Fentanyl prior to the police arrival, he just wasn't dead from it yet. Floyd didn't value his own life, so neither do i.
This is grave ignorance of the law and the value of human life. The value is there, no matter if the person is lost in life.
The past has nothing to do with that. A free man is a free man. Or else I'll look up in the computer your past and as a policeman change my behavior accordingly when I arrest you. I'll give you a special treatment even if you paid your debt to society years ago.
Wrong. The drug alone didn't kill him, that's for sure. If you can't do 1+1=2 conditions, I won't read much about your so called knowledge of his case in the justice system.
Ok we have some leftist psychopaths lurking here
Floyd was on the ground by his own doing. They compiled with everything he asked them to do. They were polite with him.
Guys, multiple things can be true at once. Stop downvoting what this pede is saying - it's the truth. Cops shouldnt abuse their power AND acting like a grade A moron is asking for it in the manner Floyd seems to have been doing.