Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main drive behind why prices will drop is that market forces will be freer to do their thing given the he added transparency to the end consumer. No way anyone on the left is going to want to acknowledge that...
Here is a really good podcast about healthcare. The lady who represents the industry is VERY well-rehearsed. She'll have you believing Big Pharma is wonderful.
I know it's not a spicy meme or a funny one-liner, but if you are the kind of pede who wants to get educated, I would recommend this one as a great start.
More outrageous is it's what Bernie was promising to do, if elected.
I haven't seen a single peep over it in the media. Have you? Prescription drugs are gonna be cheaper. Great news, right?
wind whistles, tumbleweed roll by...
(Bonus, Biden can't use it in his campaign or in the debates now. Trump is a friggin' genius at times.)
I still remember being red pilled about big tobacco when I asked one day "If tobacco is bad then why is it legal" and I was told "Because the government is making millions off tobacco"
Whether or not something is "good" or "bad" in this particular sense should not be the standard of whether or not something is legal. Or else say goodbye to hot pockets, whisky, and oreos.
Indeed. This was however when I was probably in my early teens if not younger, and I thought "If we make all the bad things illegal then there will be no more bad things."
MN sued big tobacco because it is so bad, yet still sell it and weirdly, during the shutdown, tobacco stores were essential and got to stay open...hmmm...weird
If you want to go down a serious rabbit hole, go research the tobacco trials, and dig into the documents they had to make public as part of their settlement.
Then look into the billions the states are depending on, from tobacco taxes. And then you'll understand why a pack of Marlboros is $13 or more in New York.
They just push the shit that will keep you on living not the shit that can cure you. Big pharma is evil. If big oil patented everything they could that would make cars energy independent for a century what do you think big pharma does to miracle cure drugs?
What's the incentive to cure high blood pressure in a six month treatment when you can feed someone pills to keep their blood pressure down for four decadea
Gotta disagree. The entire pharma industry is a corruption. They’ve purposely forced out natural remedies and forced people to take exorbitantly expensive poison that needs five other poisons to counteract all the side effects. Big Pharma’s job has to convince us we are all sick and need their pills. It’s easier to control sick people.
Piss them off even more. Get your states to buy in regional co-op sharing agreements for drugs. And when pharma says "no, we refuse." Ask them why they sell to every other country in the world with bulk prices.
I am not surprised that this is being used as a fake facts attack against him. I didn't even read any news on these executive orders until this morning. And when I saw mention of them, the first result on Google was the official white house announcement and not news on what he had signed. The media glossed over this action majorly, now they're going to use it against him.
....be able to produce what I have. So when you see those nasty ads from Big Pharma remember, the only reason they are going all out is the massive PRICE REDUCTIONS you are getting - not good for them. Plus, I was only President in 51 years that got a Prescription D reduction!
The drive by media can literally spout lies all over the place, and then they never publish a retraction. The only thing people remember are the lie. I get why Trump loves Twitter so much, it’s literally all he has to speak directly to people.
One of my close conservative friends told me last night his UBER-liberal wife said, “I can’t trust CNN anymore, they’re too left.” This is a person who is a major feminist, works in a title 9 office in a large university. The Fake news media is even beginning to lose their own base.
Ask yourself this... why would Big Pharma care enough to make commercials about them making more money off seniors? It's money in their pocket (if it were true, of course it's not)
If they cared so much about seniors, they could just... you know... drop their prices without needing the president to do so
Now that you mention that, I’d love to see what big pharma spends on advertising with the social media platforms that censored yesterdays doctor video on hqc
https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1f56d068370e02f29f0021
This explains how much money (billions+) they'll make from the cv19 vax, and how animal trials are now skipped because it showed that many died after first seeming fine. Later exposure to the virus = death.
This is a major victory for Trump and one that he can smear in the Democrats faces for years to come. Lowering prescription prices has been a Democrat talking point for years but they did nothing about it when they had 8 years of free reign under Obama. Big pharma is probably shutting their pants because they can no longer fleece the American people for exorbitant amounts of money.
Yep I remember when Obummer was elected my Lefty Dad was CONVINCED that the prices would fall with his Obummercare. LOL now, with the person he hates more then Bush, has done it. LOL
I used to like going into Reddit theads where people were whining about the shitty healthcare and saying shit like "GOOD THING OBAMACARE FIXED ALL THESE PROBLEMS, RIGHT?" and getting like -7299 downvotes.
Friendly reminder, many big pharma companies reside in blue states, and the dems of those states are the ones who have constantly voted against lowering prescription prices
I think this already went into effect? Went to pick up one of my wife's prescriptions yesterday and it really was about half what we've been paying for it. I even went back and double-checked my previous receipts. She has another one to refill tomorrow, so I'll try to remember to report back.
Edit: Her latest refill was not lower than before; however, this medicine only costs just over $1 for 30 days so I'm not sure they would go lower than that, lol.
Well the vehicle insurance claim of “save 50%” or more is different. It’s a truth that’s very misleading. Because of course anyone who gets a higher quote won’t switch, and even those that get a slightly lower quote probably don’t want to deal with the hassles of switching and loss of benefits tenure gets you at most insurance.
So the only people that switch are people that save a lot of money. So the average is true but it’s biased towards people who say a lot of money.
They probably couldn’t even advertise savings if they just said the average quote difference, because they are probably equal most of the time, that’s why it’s only savings of those who make the switch.
Well, do you think for one second that the Rx companies would be furious and taking their grievances to social media if the prices of drugs were raised?
I'm not the one bitching about what the EO says. But do you fren. If you like to cry on public forums and wait for someone to do the research that's fine. Just don't be salty when I call you out for not doing research. You must be new here cause that's not how we do things.
This ends our subsidization of socialized medicine in other countries. Big Pharma will have to go to the U.K., EU, etc to renegotiate. We were never paying for “innovation” and “R&D.” We were just paying more.
What tweet is unavailable now? Looks right before his tweet about Nadler and Antifa being a myth there was a tweet removed. Fuck Twitter! I wish he had a better way to reach the people. So sad that these big corporations try so hard to silence him.
In addition, within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Commerce (Secretary), in consultation with the Attorney General, and acting through the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), shall file a petition for rulemaking with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) requesting that the FCC expeditiously propose regulations to clarify: ...
The FCC said they received this petition yesterday. Things are still happening
Media reliably silent about EVERY positive story we hear about our President trying to help out Americans, in this case especially our Senior population. Where's AARP endorsement of this action also? - Never going to come from these groups
If you think they are not happy with HCQ, check out Statins!
The biggest grossing drug bar none in the world are Statins. The drugs sell for $100Billion dollar a year.
Do they prevent hear disease? No
Do they lower the risk of heart disease? Yes.
To the extent the Pharmaceutical industry claim? No.
The absolute risk reduction when taking Statins is around 1-3 %. The NNT is around the ballpark of 100. The end point postponement is 16 days, and that's for secondary profylaxis.
I am not surprised. This is going to massively reduce profit margins for all Big Pharmas globally. The US was their golden goose, and their massive greediness caused Trump to kill it.
I sold my Pfizer stock after they screwed New London. They got a 10 year tax deferral from NL and as soon as the 10 years was up they screwed out of town. The property they occupied was seized in an eminent domain land grab, see Kelo vs. New London (went to Supreme Court). Hundreds of families were forced to move. I miss Hughie's too.
I went to a doctor and he performed a very minor surgery at a major hospital for a cyst and I paid $100 out of pocket without insurance. Then I went to CVS for generic antibiotics and it was $200. What the fuck.
Enough playing defense. The groundswell of physicians can't be ignored anymore. Get HCQ out to the public. NOTHING MATTERS MORE at this moment. POTUS needs to take the reins on this - like yesterday.
Section 1. Purpose. Americans spend more per capita on pharmaceutical drugs than residents of any other developed country. Americans often pay more for the exact same drugs, even when they are produced and shipped from the exact same facilities. One way to minimize international disparities in price is to increase the trade of prescription drugs between nations with lower prices and those with persistently higher ones.
I've stopped reading the news and have been going straight to the primary sources. It's amazing that 99.999% of the news reports do not give us the actual story (the EO) but rather their spin.
Big Pharma is so fucking corrupt nowadays. Look at the Opioid crisis, fetnayl being giving to people for headaches when its supposed to be for people with end stage cancer. Marijuana prohibition and a host of other ethical things
The absolute fucking nerve of those blood-money robbing thieves. "We just arbitrarily raised prices, because we can! And you'll pay! Because we've got a monopoly on the drug or we've colluded with others and utilize the broken patent system to prevent competition! Now turn your head and COUGH UP the money!"
The irony that Trump is doing many of the things Obama promised to do, but never did; AND that were part of Bernie's campaign platform, and is hated for it by the left, is mind blowing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main drive behind why prices will drop is that market forces will be freer to do their thing given the he added transparency to the end consumer. No way anyone on the left is going to want to acknowledge that...
Here is a really good podcast about healthcare. The lady who represents the industry is VERY well-rehearsed. She'll have you believing Big Pharma is wonderful.
I know it's not a spicy meme or a funny one-liner, but if you are the kind of pede who wants to get educated, I would recommend this one as a great start.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/most-vilified-industry/
But but but...Kirky was a JOGGER!!!
Kirby was an impressionist funnyman
More outrageous is it's what Bernie was promising to do, if elected. I haven't seen a single peep over it in the media. Have you? Prescription drugs are gonna be cheaper. Great news, right?
wind whistles, tumbleweed roll by...
(Bonus, Biden can't use it in his campaign or in the debates now. Trump is a friggin' genius at times.)
lol. I love you BasedMedicalDoctor
He should tweet about how he takes multiple doses of dihydrogen monoxide to help combat the China virus & is feeling refreshed.
I still remember being red pilled about big tobacco when I asked one day "If tobacco is bad then why is it legal" and I was told "Because the government is making millions off tobacco"
Whether or not something is "good" or "bad" in this particular sense should not be the standard of whether or not something is legal. Or else say goodbye to hot pockets, whisky, and oreos.
Indeed. This was however when I was probably in my early teens if not younger, and I thought "If we make all the bad things illegal then there will be no more bad things."
Good point. However, weve seen what basically is the legalization of heroine has done to California
thats why I said "In this particular sense"
MN sued big tobacco because it is so bad, yet still sell it and weirdly, during the shutdown, tobacco stores were essential and got to stay open...hmmm...weird
If you want to go down a serious rabbit hole, go research the tobacco trials, and dig into the documents they had to make public as part of their settlement.
Then look into the billions the states are depending on, from tobacco taxes. And then you'll understand why a pack of Marlboros is $13 or more in New York.
They just push the shit that will keep you on living not the shit that can cure you. Big pharma is evil. If big oil patented everything they could that would make cars energy independent for a century what do you think big pharma does to miracle cure drugs?
What's the incentive to cure high blood pressure in a six month treatment when you can feed someone pills to keep their blood pressure down for four decadea
Bingo
Gotta disagree. The entire pharma industry is a corruption. They’ve purposely forced out natural remedies and forced people to take exorbitantly expensive poison that needs five other poisons to counteract all the side effects. Big Pharma’s job has to convince us we are all sick and need their pills. It’s easier to control sick people.
Seems like you don’t know much about big pharma.
They are a criminal organization that survives by paying payouts to our politicians.
Piss them off even more. Get your states to buy in regional co-op sharing agreements for drugs. And when pharma says "no, we refuse." Ask them why they sell to every other country in the world with bulk prices.
pharma spends sooooooo much on media, the media has their backs 2x on this one: one anti-trump and one ad $pending
PASS A LAW BANNING PHARMA ADS ON TV. NEW ZEALAND AND US ARE THE ONLY COUNTRIES THAT ALLOW IT! PROFIT COLLUSION > HEALTH OF AMERICANS
Andrew Brietbart is still here, still fighting , still with us....
his name = TRUMP
Serious. Go back and listen to brietbart, trump is the brietbart of political office.
I am not surprised that this is being used as a fake facts attack against him. I didn't even read any news on these executive orders until this morning. And when I saw mention of them, the first result on Google was the official white house announcement and not news on what he had signed. The media glossed over this action majorly, now they're going to use it against him.
why the hell are you on google?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288109093694005253
Not a single MSM outlet talking about this, unless I missed it. Enemy of the people.
The drive by media can literally spout lies all over the place, and then they never publish a retraction. The only thing people remember are the lie. I get why Trump loves Twitter so much, it’s literally all he has to speak directly to people.
One of my close conservative friends told me last night his UBER-liberal wife said, “I can’t trust CNN anymore, they’re too left.” This is a person who is a major feminist, works in a title 9 office in a large university. The Fake news media is even beginning to lose their own base.
I couldn’t have an “UBER-liberal wife”. I don’t know how that guy does it.
mommy issues. big time.
Rebuilding the family, by rebuilding the man!
I don’t either. He and his brother are both back woods conservatives and both married to incredible lefties. It’s mindboggling.
She works at a university and apparently, she is a very slow learner...
Glad she is finally catching on. It only took her years.
The brainwashing is deep
Trump needed a dick reduction. Guess it was too big. The more you know.
It was too big.
YUGE
Ask yourself this... why would Big Pharma care enough to make commercials about them making more money off seniors? It's money in their pocket (if it were true, of course it's not)
If they cared so much about seniors, they could just... you know... drop their prices without needing the president to do so
Big Pharma spending millions in propaganda, gets nuked by Big Daddy Trump in one tweet
Hey! Stop making sense!
Logic! How dare you!
Big Pharma is also not happy about HCQ + Azithro + Zinc... hmm, go figure who is in the pocket of Big Pharma and who is not.
Now that you mention that, I’d love to see what big pharma spends on advertising with the social media platforms that censored yesterdays doctor video on hqc
https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1f56d068370e02f29f0021 This explains how much money (billions+) they'll make from the cv19 vax, and how animal trials are now skipped because it showed that many died after first seeming fine. Later exposure to the virus = death.
Ferret killers. FerretLivesMatter
Hey, if everyone dies from the vaccine that means no one has covid anymore, so the vaccine worked!
YOURE HIRED
-Harvard Medical Dept
This is a major victory for Trump and one that he can smear in the Democrats faces for years to come. Lowering prescription prices has been a Democrat talking point for years but they did nothing about it when they had 8 years of free reign under Obama. Big pharma is probably shutting their pants because they can no longer fleece the American people for exorbitant amounts of money.
Yep I remember when Obummer was elected my Lefty Dad was CONVINCED that the prices would fall with his Obummercare. LOL now, with the person he hates more then Bush, has done it. LOL
Republicans told us in 2008 that Obamacare would jack prices through the roof. Democrats called them liars.
Welp...
I used to like going into Reddit theads where people were whining about the shitty healthcare and saying shit like "GOOD THING OBAMACARE FIXED ALL THESE PROBLEMS, RIGHT?" and getting like -7299 downvotes.
Friendly reminder, many big pharma companies reside in blue states, and the dems of those states are the ones who have constantly voted against lowering prescription prices
You won't ever hear about that of course
Shitting their pants? There’s a rx drug for that, I am sure
God bless our amazing President.
I think this already went into effect? Went to pick up one of my wife's prescriptions yesterday and it really was about half what we've been paying for it. I even went back and double-checked my previous receipts. She has another one to refill tomorrow, so I'll try to remember to report back.
Edit: Her latest refill was not lower than before; however, this medicine only costs just over $1 for 30 days so I'm not sure they would go lower than that, lol.
Please do!
Post the receipts!
Just don’t doxx yourself.
Do report back! I am curious.
Trump… Best President Ever
Well the vehicle insurance claim of “save 50%” or more is different. It’s a truth that’s very misleading. Because of course anyone who gets a higher quote won’t switch, and even those that get a slightly lower quote probably don’t want to deal with the hassles of switching and loss of benefits tenure gets you at most insurance.
So the only people that switch are people that save a lot of money. So the average is true but it’s biased towards people who say a lot of money.
They probably couldn’t even advertise savings if they just said the average quote difference, because they are probably equal most of the time, that’s why it’s only savings of those who make the switch.
"Four out of five dentists surveyed recommended sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum."
The fifth dentist didn't kill himself
Uhh 50% reduction!1!
That has to be good, right?
They mad so...
Well, do you think for one second that the Rx companies would be furious and taking their grievances to social media if the prices of drugs were raised?
Believe me, if this was a windfall for them, they'd be glowing about how much this benefits every American.
Well, if you want to know so bad, do your own research and find out instead of bitching on here hoping someone will hold your hand and look for you.
I'm not the one bitching about what the EO says. But do you fren. If you like to cry on public forums and wait for someone to do the research that's fine. Just don't be salty when I call you out for not doing research. You must be new here cause that's not how we do things.
Then why the fuck you think I'm telling you to do your own research instead of bitching about it. BTW did you read the EO yet?
I’ve learned that whatever the media, corporations, other politicians accuse Trump or his policies of doing, it’s always the exact opposite.
Thats what I tell people...Its usually the opposite of what they are reporting
Bayer, Glaxo, Pfizer, and Astra are absolutely LIVID about the prices of their products that have zero alternative or competition going up!
...said no monopolistic corporation ever.
Leftists: "WTF I love Big Pharma now!"
Oh just wait. Trump made the left pro-war. He can easily make them pro-big pharma.
We need action on making HCQ available OTC
Spurting truth bombs...
This ends our subsidization of socialized medicine in other countries. Big Pharma will have to go to the U.K., EU, etc to renegotiate. We were never paying for “innovation” and “R&D.” We were just paying more.
Big Pharma is supplying Joe his meds... Turns out they are ineffective.
What tweet is unavailable now? Looks right before his tweet about Nadler and Antifa being a myth there was a tweet removed. Fuck Twitter! I wish he had a better way to reach the people. So sad that these big corporations try so hard to silence him.
I remember writing an extensive paper in college 15 years ago advocating for exactly what Trump is doing now. I love this man.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/?utm_source=link&utm_medium=header
DOJ NEEDS TO FOLLOW THIS EO! Criminals! SUE, Class actions!
The FCC said they received this petition yesterday. Things are still happening
Media reliably silent about EVERY positive story we hear about our President trying to help out Americans, in this case especially our Senior population. Where's AARP endorsement of this action also? - Never going to come from these groups
If you think they are not happy with HCQ, check out Statins!
The biggest grossing drug bar none in the world are Statins. The drugs sell for $100Billion dollar a year. Do they prevent hear disease? No Do they lower the risk of heart disease? Yes. To the extent the Pharmaceutical industry claim? No.
The absolute risk reduction when taking Statins is around 1-3 %. The NNT is around the ballpark of 100. The end point postponement is 16 days, and that's for secondary profylaxis.
It's a complete fraud.
I am not surprised. This is going to massively reduce profit margins for all Big Pharmas globally. The US was their golden goose, and their massive greediness caused Trump to kill it.
No tears shed for these greedy SOBs.
This country is in need of a hard reset.
Yup. Clean out all the bullshit laws and amendments and go back to bill of rights and the constitution
Democrats: Expensive pill prices help the people of colors
Fuck Big Pharma.
Don't Fuck Big Mike.
Unless you're 0bama.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies would be absolutely outraged and start a social media campaign if their profits were increased.
They think people are stupid... And in many cases they're right.
Big Pharma spends more on advertising than research and development. SHAMEFUL
He’s on fire today.
Every major company in this country lies. Every damn one.
I sold my Pfizer stock after they screwed New London. They got a 10 year tax deferral from NL and as soon as the 10 years was up they screwed out of town. The property they occupied was seized in an eminent domain land grab, see Kelo vs. New London (went to Supreme Court). Hundreds of families were forced to move. I miss Hughie's too.
AND JUST LIKE THAT DEMOCRATS LOVE BIG PHARMA
I went to a doctor and he performed a very minor surgery at a major hospital for a cyst and I paid $100 out of pocket without insurance. Then I went to CVS for generic antibiotics and it was $200. What the fuck.
Fuck the pharma industry.
Now address the HCQ censorship and how this plandemic is a FAKE.
No big deal, just Big Pharma and fake news lying to the people so that more of us die sooner
Nothing to see here
Soooo...why isn't the GOP taking out counter-ads to tell the truth?
Any former bernie bro who is voting for biden needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and wake the fuck up.
The only option we have for President who is challenging big pharma, is President Trump
We've gone to war over oil. Pharma and related groups outspend oil and gas in lobbying. And naturally they must expect returns on that investment.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/257364/top-lobbying-industries-in-the-us/
Fuck these filthy (D)communists.
Enough playing defense. The groundswell of physicians can't be ignored anymore. Get HCQ out to the public. NOTHING MATTERS MORE at this moment. POTUS needs to take the reins on this - like yesterday.
Trump's EO allows people to import drugs from the EU where the drugs are being sold at much cheaper prices.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-increasing-drug-importation-lower-prices-american-patients/
I've stopped reading the news and have been going straight to the primary sources. It's amazing that 99.999% of the news reports do not give us the actual story (the EO) but rather their spin.
So it's free market for prescription drugs. Who would have thought?
Big Pharma is a plauge
They are the ones pushing the anti Hydroxychloroquine propaganda also cause they don't make money off it. They would rather people die.
Big Pharma is so fucking corrupt nowadays. Look at the Opioid crisis, fetnayl being giving to people for headaches when its supposed to be for people with end stage cancer. Marijuana prohibition and a host of other ethical things
The absolute fucking nerve of those blood-money robbing thieves. "We just arbitrarily raised prices, because we can! And you'll pay! Because we've got a monopoly on the drug or we've colluded with others and utilize the broken patent system to prevent competition! Now turn your head and COUGH UP the money!"
Can't wait for the Democrats to defend big pharma!
The irony that Trump is doing many of the things Obama promised to do, but never did; AND that were part of Bernie's campaign platform, and is hated for it by the left, is mind blowing.
Make good deals, not bad deals, people!
Yes, Pharma is paying for ads to fight against making 50% more in profits. Makes total sense.