I think who “they” hate is Flynn, Barr, and a few other key people on Trump’s staff (present or past). Trump is key because he has the balls to put folks like them in place but from various pieces I’ve seen, Flynn was a much more major heartburn for them than Trump by himself would have been. And Barr is in the same league.
It's funny, because I thought they behaved more like elementary school teachers. Really sick and twisted ones. Not to show my inner nerd that is slowly dying, but this really reminded me of the Quintesson trial in the 1986 Transformers movie.
It's a statement of resolve.
We "don't care" what evil you try to do to us. We will not be afraid and we will fight. We are "still voting Trump" come November.
It means what people think it means and what it can mean is 'I don't care how horrible he is', which makes it a bad slogan. That's exactly along the lines of their propaganda; we irrationally support him against all this evidence of whatever.
Correct me if the way I word this is wrong, but I'm going to try and phrase your comment into an argument.
-"Don't care, still voting Trump" can be construded to sound like "Don't care how horrible he is, I'm still voting" Trump which implies a blind obedience.
-Because the left's propaganda states we're blindly following Trump, this slogan could be construded to give credibility to their false claims.
-We would reasonably want to avoid giving credibility to these false claims and should therefore avoid saying "Don't care, still voting Trump".
Does this sound like a fair construction into an argument of what you were saying? I want to make sure I understand you correctly.
Yes. It's important to make political messages clear and difficult to (wilfully) misconstrue, because that's what the opposition will do. And since this has already been their meme since before the election we're not even making them work.
I suppose then my disagreement resides in to whom we should base our word choice around: dishonest leftist or ourselves individually.
To that, I would say
if "Don't care, still voting Trump" is told honestly and in context then it can be reasonably understood as a statement of resolve in the face of adversity, not blind obedience, which is it's honest meaning.
Our word choice will not prevent dishonest people from taking our sentiments out of context or in a misrepresenting manner.
We can refute and challenge dishonest people when they are taking our words, regardless of the words themselves, out of context or being dishonest about their intended meaning. This is how we ensure an honest and contextual representation of our words.
Therefore:
It doesn't matter if we say "Don't care, still voting Trump" or a more well crafted iteration as this will ultimately be misconstrued by dishonest people. We need to make sure we challenge dishonesty when we see it and fight against those who misrepresent us. That is how we can make sure people see "Don't care, still voting Trump" is seen as a statement of resolve to the best of out ability.
Anything can be turned against us, so "because it can be misconstrued as..." (Paraphrase) is not a reason for "Don't care, still voting Trump" to be a bad slogan. If it's bad, then there must be a different reason.
There are statements which can be more easily misconstrued than others. Therefore there are good and bad slogans. Look at the Democratic 'Love Trumps Hate'. It's horrible because it could be pro-Trump and they're of course enormously hateful while carrying these signs. Also, it is unlikely that we will correct them because this will be used internally. It will show up on some subreddit from which any pro-Trump sentiment is immediately purged. There it will be used to reinforce their pre-existing programming. 'Slogan' btw in its etymological origin means 'battle cry of the dead', isn't that cool Mr. Aquinas?
These people don't deserve respect, they're complete slime. I was - utterly - blown away by just how deceitful and disgusting these 'members of congress' are. I had no idea. I mean, I already thought they were murdering, lying and just plain evil, but that was special. Giving any kind of power or office anywhere to any one of them is not something a sane person would do.
This really blew me away. It will take me time to process this one. World class pieces of shit.
Its pretty obvious that someone is over the target. I’d like to say “we are over the target” but that would include myself and I’m just a simple pede memeing away and can’t take any real credit.
The thing is, they didn't actually accuse Barr of doing anything real that was wrong. It was all just REEEing about being Trump's lackey without evidence.
So why would any reasonable person be convinced of that?
I think who “they” hate is Flynn, Barr, and a few other key people on Trump’s staff (present or past). Trump is key because he has the balls to put folks like them in place but from various pieces I’ve seen, Flynn was a much more major heartburn for them than Trump by himself would have been. And Barr is in the same league.
They know their base...
It's funny, because I thought they behaved more like elementary school teachers. Really sick and twisted ones. Not to show my inner nerd that is slowly dying, but this really reminded me of the Quintesson trial in the 1986 Transformers movie.
accusing, but never allowing him to respond.
that tells you everything you need to know...
Why would I even consider what a democrat says these days? As a factor about my political opinions?
Anything to discredit Trump. Smear Barr, you smear the president by association.
When's the last time someone on the left has said something truthful.
They've lost all credibility.
More like “Especially voting Trump”
Trump? Hell. I’m ready to vote for Barr!
Imma slap that Trump button like it was one of these despicable jackasses' lying mouths and hope it stings
I don't like that slogan. 'Still voting', what does that mean? There's no reason to not vote Trump and a thousand to not vote the Democrats.
It's a statement of resolve. We "don't care" what evil you try to do to us. We will not be afraid and we will fight. We are "still voting Trump" come November.
By "still voting" we mean we cannot be intimated.
It means what people think it means and what it can mean is 'I don't care how horrible he is', which makes it a bad slogan. That's exactly along the lines of their propaganda; we irrationally support him against all this evidence of whatever.
Correct me if the way I word this is wrong, but I'm going to try and phrase your comment into an argument.
-"Don't care, still voting Trump" can be construded to sound like "Don't care how horrible he is, I'm still voting" Trump which implies a blind obedience.
-Because the left's propaganda states we're blindly following Trump, this slogan could be construded to give credibility to their false claims.
-We would reasonably want to avoid giving credibility to these false claims and should therefore avoid saying "Don't care, still voting Trump".
Does this sound like a fair construction into an argument of what you were saying? I want to make sure I understand you correctly.
Yes. It's important to make political messages clear and difficult to (wilfully) misconstrue, because that's what the opposition will do. And since this has already been their meme since before the election we're not even making them work.
I suppose then my disagreement resides in to whom we should base our word choice around: dishonest leftist or ourselves individually.
To that, I would say
if "Don't care, still voting Trump" is told honestly and in context then it can be reasonably understood as a statement of resolve in the face of adversity, not blind obedience, which is it's honest meaning.
Our word choice will not prevent dishonest people from taking our sentiments out of context or in a misrepresenting manner.
We can refute and challenge dishonest people when they are taking our words, regardless of the words themselves, out of context or being dishonest about their intended meaning. This is how we ensure an honest and contextual representation of our words.
Therefore:
Anything can be turned against us, so "because it can be misconstrued as..." (Paraphrase) is not a reason for "Don't care, still voting Trump" to be a bad slogan. If it's bad, then there must be a different reason.
There are statements which can be more easily misconstrued than others. Therefore there are good and bad slogans. Look at the Democratic 'Love Trumps Hate'. It's horrible because it could be pro-Trump and they're of course enormously hateful while carrying these signs. Also, it is unlikely that we will correct them because this will be used internally. It will show up on some subreddit from which any pro-Trump sentiment is immediately purged. There it will be used to reinforce their pre-existing programming. 'Slogan' btw in its etymological origin means 'battle cry of the dead', isn't that cool Mr. Aquinas?
That statement confuses me. What do you believe my argument to be?
"Therefore, there are good and bad slogans."
Honestly, I think every time a Liberal screams “Orange Man Bad!” We should respond with “I don’t care, still voting Trump.”
Conversation with Leftards should go like this:
Leftard: Orange Man Bad! Based Trumpist: Don’t Care, Still Voting Trump.
These people don't deserve respect, they're complete slime. I was - utterly - blown away by just how deceitful and disgusting these 'members of congress' are. I had no idea. I mean, I already thought they were murdering, lying and just plain evil, but that was special. Giving any kind of power or office anywhere to any one of them is not something a sane person would do.
This really blew me away. It will take me time to process this one. World class pieces of shit.
Its pretty obvious that someone is over the target. I’d like to say “we are over the target” but that would include myself and I’m just a simple pede memeing away and can’t take any real credit.
I’m thinking the whole time that if Barr didn’t see the need to prosecute corruption this would.
Attorney General Barr held his composure in a manner that I can only aspire to.
My favorite REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE was from Jay Paul.
The thing is, they didn't actually accuse Barr of doing anything real that was wrong. It was all just REEEing about being Trump's lackey without evidence.
So why would any reasonable person be convinced of that?
Still voting? VOTING TRUMP INTENSIFIES.
Also, I really hate the "Number of Pedes who..." posts.
Don't care, still voting Trump, lmao
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Jokes on you! I already forwarded to 10 people!...when can I expect my $1 million check to come?
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