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posted ago by Realatician ago by Realatician +3101 / -0

From treason, to breaking oath of office, to election interference...man that was tough to watch. AG Barr got my respect.

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TheYoungSpergs 4 points ago +4 / -0

It means what people think it means and what it can mean is 'I don't care how horrible he is', which makes it a bad slogan. That's exactly along the lines of their propaganda; we irrationally support him against all this evidence of whatever.

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Realatician [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

Correct me if the way I word this is wrong, but I'm going to try and phrase your comment into an argument.

-"Don't care, still voting Trump" can be construded to sound like "Don't care how horrible he is, I'm still voting" Trump which implies a blind obedience.

-Because the left's propaganda states we're blindly following Trump, this slogan could be construded to give credibility to their false claims.

-We would reasonably want to avoid giving credibility to these false claims and should therefore avoid saying "Don't care, still voting Trump".

Does this sound like a fair construction into an argument of what you were saying? I want to make sure I understand you correctly.

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TheYoungSpergs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes. It's important to make political messages clear and difficult to (wilfully) misconstrue, because that's what the opposition will do. And since this has already been their meme since before the election we're not even making them work.

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Realatician [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I suppose then my disagreement resides in to whom we should base our word choice around: dishonest leftist or ourselves individually.


To that, I would say

  • if "Don't care, still voting Trump" is told honestly and in context then it can be reasonably understood as a statement of resolve in the face of adversity, not blind obedience, which is it's honest meaning.

  • Our word choice will not prevent dishonest people from taking our sentiments out of context or in a misrepresenting manner.

  • We can refute and challenge dishonest people when they are taking our words, regardless of the words themselves, out of context or being dishonest about their intended meaning. This is how we ensure an honest and contextual representation of our words.

Therefore:

  • It doesn't matter if we say "Don't care, still voting Trump" or a more well crafted iteration as this will ultimately be misconstrued by dishonest people. We need to make sure we challenge dishonesty when we see it and fight against those who misrepresent us. That is how we can make sure people see "Don't care, still voting Trump" is seen as a statement of resolve to the best of out ability.

Anything can be turned against us, so "because it can be misconstrued as..." (Paraphrase) is not a reason for "Don't care, still voting Trump" to be a bad slogan. If it's bad, then there must be a different reason.

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TheYoungSpergs 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are statements which can be more easily misconstrued than others. Therefore there are good and bad slogans. Look at the Democratic 'Love Trumps Hate'. It's horrible because it could be pro-Trump and they're of course enormously hateful while carrying these signs. Also, it is unlikely that we will correct them because this will be used internally. It will show up on some subreddit from which any pro-Trump sentiment is immediately purged. There it will be used to reinforce their pre-existing programming. 'Slogan' btw in its etymological origin means 'battle cry of the dead', isn't that cool Mr. Aquinas?