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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +3 / -3

To an extent, yes, but I feel the American Democrats are much more to the left than the parties in power in Germany or Italy.

In Europe the Democrats would be a fringe extremist party, those that get the 1 or 2 %.

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GGRain 4 points ago +4 / -0

No they aren't, they are as fucked up or better than our left faggots in power. Those people only success was getting into politics, having an easy life toying with us, while being dumb pieces of shit.

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SendThemBackToCanada 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep, you are absolutely right. The Democrat Party want to Europeanized our political system. Taking power away from the states and centralize it under the federal government and give more power to the political parties.

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MakeAmericaLegendary 4 points ago +4 / -0

Europe's Overton Window is so much further left than ours.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

I completely disagree.

For a European it would be batshit insane to vote without an ID, let alone ballot harvesting. There's no late term abortion on demand, let alone talks about abortion right before (or after) birth. In Europe it's also batshit insane to think that an illegal immigrant could access public funding: illegal immigrants are given zero (that's why they all need to pretend to be "refugees"). In Europe there also are no, or at the very least, much less privileges and systemic racism to the advantage of blacks. It's generally socially accepted that a black guy needs to get a job through meritocracy, and not because society owes him something. There also isn't a complete media blackout on crimes committed by blacks and/or illegal immigrants.

In many ways, America is much further left.

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Fabian 2 points ago +2 / -0

I fully respect your opinion. In my opinion, however, Europe is more left then the US. You just have two parties so in the democratic party you have people from the center ("moderate") until the far left. What is one party in the US, are multiple parties in countries in Europe. If you count all these left parties together, you have 40 to 80% in most countries I would guess.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +2 / -0

But many European parties that are considered left wing correspond more to the American RINOs.

For example only fringe European parties talk openly about open borders. A mainstream left wing party in Europe would never dream to say to stop immigration enforcement or defund the police.

And many things in American politics are outside of the Overton window in Europe, for example you would be laughed out of a room if you said that voter ID is racist or you want to abort in the third trimester.

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Fabian 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes that's true. As a German I don't understand your discussion about voter ID. In Germany I have to show my ID to vote, like everyone else. What do you guys need to vote in November, just your voter registration? Yes, many conservatives would be called RINOs in the US. However, I would say we have different shades of leftists - many parties who all have the left ideology in their heart. They are very pro immigration and pro abortion here in Europe as well.

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Mammoth_Actuary 0 points ago +3 / -3

Actually the Democrats are considered right wing in Europe

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol no. See my other response to another poster.

No mainstream left wing party in (mainland) Europe openly talks about having open borders.

Maybe if you only look at the UK, you get a different impression but the UK is much further left than any other EU country.

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Mammoth_Actuary -1 points ago +1 / -2

How many refugees did Germany accept? How many refugees did America accept?

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not enough to have a Somali in their parliament.

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AndrewLB 1 point ago +1 / -0

I always forget that liberal in Europe means conservative. The define it based on classical liberalism which is American conservatism. The failed progressive era of the early 20th century after they backed the losers in WW2 rebranded and butchered the term liberal to hide who they are. The lengths these people will go to lie, cheat, and steal in order to gain power.