It's the corruption of the uniparty. They all have a hand in corruption and equally profit from it. Reps play the role of fake opposition and get paid, Dems move the country towards globalist socialism and get paid.
It's so corrupt at so many different levels it needs to be cleaned out top to bottom and a tribunal needs to investigate the finances of every politician and high ranking gov managers.
i was sick of their power and lack of regulation before that even became obvious.
look at the tech market and aside from advancements that were bound to happen anyway, its become far more anticonsumer over the years, and more about controlling people in the ignorant mass market who were not the nerds and geeks that built the backbone of the internet and personal computing.
Instead of putting power in the hands of the people, as was originally intended, everything becomes a monopolized centralized service which they control.
moving backwards back into the age of mainframes (the cloud) and terminals (dumb limited devices).
political control is only part of this -- it also goes down to monetization and how they decide to profit off of the consumer. in the past, we had software we can STILL USE TODAY in emulators.
in the future, if they have it their way, everything will be a service with an expiration date to keep you paying more for less. effectively charging for variables and preventing you -- the user -- from running easy-to-write basic servers to self-run services at home.
the cell phone crowd and modern user flock to discord, but some of us know its backbone is still IRC, and that IRC has freedom. freedom to run your own server/network and not be locked into the one service. we know it would be trivial to update the old model with new features without the control, but few want to do it because less profits.
freedom for someone else to compete if they want to do it differently.
makes it hard to monetize things that have no value in an economy with FREEDOM. and the business model of modern tech is all about control.
May the Heavenly Father above pour upon this president the Holy Spirit so that he may continue to have the strength and courage that is needed to drive back the will of Satan and destroy all his enemies.
by the end of the year, we're going to be calling this a year of Justice! God is going to turn all of this evil around and bring justice for all of us!
Most of Congress belong to their Chinese Overlords and miss having those regulations that Trump eliminated, so Lobbyists would bribe them to allow businesses to build and hire.
President Trump is the first in my lifetime who cares about us, the People. God Bless him.
If he does it now, will voters remember it on election day?
Will Dems have plenty of time to fuck it up? Race bait? Ect?
Even now new articles and videos are coming out that say Black people are painting over BLM road paintings and that the BLM violence us backfiring on them due to their inaction.
If he does it now, will voters remember it on election day?
Yes.
Will Dems have plenty of time to fuck it up? Race bait? Ect?
Yes.
Even now new articles and videos are coming out that say Black people are painting over BLM road paintings and that the BLM violence us backfiring on them due to their inaction.
A couple of acts here and there does not outweigh basically every major corporation in America jumping into the deep end with BLM, even if they're mostly just paying lip service.
I'm saying it's a marxist cultural revolution that's affecting both government and corporations. It's an incestuous relationship. They're often one and the same.
Now is the perfect time because it will (hopefully) mean conservatives will be uncensored on social media so they can support him BEFORE the election happens.
He ran out of time 3 years ago. This shit should have been wrapped up in the first 6 months. You're foolish to think he still has time. Any significant thwarting of the media will be met with further gaslighting and confusion from the news, and just hurt Trump's public approval.
I will repeat what I commented yesterday, black pill shills are sometimes more annoying than leftists. Atleast you know with the leftist which side they are on, with the black pilled fags you geninunely cannot tell.
Depends on which one. I’d have to read up on him again but a bunch of stuff he did was not consitutional. Teddy was a proto-progressive but he didn’t hate America; just too much faith in government and too much hubris in believing he knew best every time.
With less than 100 days to go we're running out of time. Google etc are getting more brazen than ever - just look at what they've been doing to Breitbart recently.
No, he's being very smart about this. He's allowing every other agency that has the power to do something to show their complicity, and allow them to continue in their inaction. Then when it's very clear to those who are watching that nobody intends to protect our freedoms, he will drop the EO. This is the best way to do it. Anyone who complains can be told "Congress and the FCC had ample opportunity to protect the free speech of all Americans online, and they failed to act, so I did it myself."
Great in theory but we're running out of time. It won't help us to get rid of censorship two or three weeks before election. Minds will have already been made up by then.
You get downvotes for this comment but no actual discussion. I'll never understand why people who disagree don't voice their point of view. It's why we are here!
I agree with you, but would love someone to tell me I'm wrong and give me some sources/hope.
Section 230 is part of a law and it only protects actual platforms. The issue is not the law, it is the DoJ or FCC or whoever that has to redesignate these entities as publishers.
No you meant publisher. And when one is a publisher the government (I believe) has to be reasonable. IE if you took something down as fast as humanly possible once you found out you aren’t liable. Twitter and FB just let shit sit while sniping wrong think within five minutes, providing their auto-censors didn’t catch it immediately. Therefore Twitter and FB have a capability they aren’t applying to everything they’re supposed to, ergo they’d be in trouble and we’d be fine.
We'll meme in the shade, yes, but I still want a forum, like this, where anti-Trump people are not welcome, and the racist and jew-hating shit is kept to a minimum.
Mark all active pre-platform accounts with positive karma as "trusted"
Any sudden, large drop in Karma on any non-trusted account will temporarily disable that account
After X number of such sudden large drops, the account is automatically deactivated.
If the account is Y months old and has Z karma, then it is marked as "trusted."
This is basically what reddit is in the process of implementing. They have purged and banned a massive number of conservatives, and now all the default subs have implemented minimum account age/karma to post. Good luck maturing an account unless you're willing to pretend to be a leftist cuck for upvotes from leftist cucks.
This is very important, people's lives literally depend on it. Big tech is censoring peer reviewed studies that have been proven in many countries from significant statistics.
Okay, so an Executive Order is issued. But how will it be enforced? Can it be enforced???? Or will it be another strongly worded letter? Can we treat the internet companies that provide a public space for discussion as a utility?
Harsh truth but this is squarely on Trump and has been for years. It shouldn't be in a just world but you know it, I know it, everybody knows that nothing was going to change unless Trump himself did something about it. The buck ends at his desk. Trump is the "Tough Love" president. He's let this fester for 3.5 years. Yes 3.5 years of Trump's inaction, whether "building a case" or not. It's that long because we always knew nobody would do anything, they all want to shift responsibility/blame upwards. I'm of the opinion a slam dunk case had been made before he was even elected president.
TL:DR - The social media services in question can not be rehabilitated. Government intervention to force them to be free speech platforms will not produce the desired result. They'll always be biased.
Accept this fact, and categorize these services as publishers. Stop pretending they are platforms. Vote with your feet and move to a service that actually treats you fairly.
It's not a question of "free speech platforms", because they aren't a government entity. But if they are unevenly applying the rules users of their "platform" agree to that creates an editorial slant, then they are a publisher. Forcing them to be transparent on who they take action on, why and when will allow for oversight on this. Ultimately, they can still decide to mute, block, shadowban who they choose as long as they are doing it evenly in accordance with their platform's rules.
It is already very transparent who is and is not being censored, this much is self evident.
So going with your premise, Uncle Sam forces the service to "be more transparent about how it moderates content" or thereabouts. How is this accomplished? Does the CIA get access to the service's operational logs? Are the employees subject to realtime monitoring?
The point of these questions is to illustrate that this kind of nannying is untenable. It is either so totalitarian in nature that the service provider ceases to innovate due to the crushing weight of gov oversight, and becomes irrelevant - or it is half baked compliance auditing that can be danced around in an ever escalating game of cat and mouse.
To be direct: the service's rules, as stated in writing in the EULA, are that it can do absolutely whatever it wants with user submitted content.
The root problem is the laziness and incompetence of the services' user bases. The users failed to read the terms before agreeing to them, and then became too complacent to seek safer harbors. They've become addicted to the service, won't bother shopping around, and cry "unfair" when the very problems that they've been warned about for years, actually materialize.
These services can not be fixed by Uncle Sam. Leave the service if it sucks so bad (it does).
I’m just visiting TD.win for the first time today and I see this tweet and the tweet about the AFFH and I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy inside—love this President!
I find it absolutely hilarious how the same people who ranted and raved about how we desperately needed Net Neutrality "so that corporation can't decide what sites we can and can't access" are also the people who argue that it's a-okay that social media companies censor and suppress conservative speech because "they're private corporations and can do whatever they want."
As the old saying goes, if the left didn't have double standards then they'd have no standards at all.
Please. There are people at my coding school that support big tech censoring conservatives and or censoring those that don't go with the narrative. Fucking outrageous.
Is it me, or does it seem like our President has been throwing some hard punches lately? Wonder what he knows that gives him this extra chutzpah (not that he needed more)?
We lost the house and that was a huge blow. It’s time to retake America from chinese sympathisers. Nothing against China really, just the fact that they screw up too much so we need to be independent from them and representatives should represent America NOT global interests.
They've flipped the narrative and are hard at work projecting again. Tech CEOs are claiming that rightists are the ones doing the censoring against poor, dindu leftists.
The permanently Banned Krassenstein bothers are back claiming to be their wife's account posting the exact same bullshit as before on every trump tweet and being promoted.
Fuck yea
FUCK UEA
4 MORE YEARS!
More like 40 more years. Trump has enough cognition to live into his 100s.
I fucking HATE the people who have run our government for the past 40+ years.
Republican, Democrat, they all need to be exposed for their crimes and held accountable in full face of the public.
ENOUGH BULLSHIT
In Bruce Willis‘s voice
Welcome to the party pal!
It's the corruption of the uniparty. They all have a hand in corruption and equally profit from it. Reps play the role of fake opposition and get paid, Dems move the country towards globalist socialism and get paid.
It's so corrupt at so many different levels it needs to be cleaned out top to bottom and a tribunal needs to investigate the finances of every politician and high ranking gov managers.
None are doing their job as intended by the founding fathers and very few are even pro-America. Rand, Gaetz, Jordan, Romney (kidding).
You aren't alone pede, pass the ammunition.
Keep your rifle by your side
OF FIRE AND FURY
https://twitter.com/time/status/1142178303656288256?lang=en
Long over due, I'm sick of these tech barons running amok and censoring conservatives. Please Mr. President just do it!
i was sick of their power and lack of regulation before that even became obvious.
look at the tech market and aside from advancements that were bound to happen anyway, its become far more anticonsumer over the years, and more about controlling people in the ignorant mass market who were not the nerds and geeks that built the backbone of the internet and personal computing.
Instead of putting power in the hands of the people, as was originally intended, everything becomes a monopolized centralized service which they control. moving backwards back into the age of mainframes (the cloud) and terminals (dumb limited devices).
political control is only part of this -- it also goes down to monetization and how they decide to profit off of the consumer. in the past, we had software we can STILL USE TODAY in emulators.
in the future, if they have it their way, everything will be a service with an expiration date to keep you paying more for less. effectively charging for variables and preventing you -- the user -- from running easy-to-write basic servers to self-run services at home.
the cell phone crowd and modern user flock to discord, but some of us know its backbone is still IRC, and that IRC has freedom. freedom to run your own server/network and not be locked into the one service. we know it would be trivial to update the old model with new features without the control, but few want to do it because less profits.
freedom for someone else to compete if they want to do it differently.
makes it hard to monetize things that have no value in an economy with FREEDOM. and the business model of modern tech is all about control.
May the Heavenly Father above pour upon this president the Holy Spirit so that he may continue to have the strength and courage that is needed to drive back the will of Satan and destroy all his enemies.
Jesus will have his turn in the end. Now that will be a day of rejoicing... dread for the wicked but rejoicing for those on the side of Righteousness.
In the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen 🙏
As do I. He is truly touched by the hand of God and was put on this earth to save us from evil.
Jesus amd trump... the ultimate tag team. Deep states gonna get some piledriving bitches!!
Most unexpected comment of the millennium!
Trump isn’t the bull In the congress China shop, he’s the AC-130 circling ABOVE the china shop!
by the end of the year, we're going to be calling this a year of Justice! God is going to turn all of this evil around and bring justice for all of us!
Year of Enlightenment hopefully.
maybe not THIS year, but definitely next! I love that he is picking them apart piece by piece!
And may The Lord Jesus, King of the Universe, bless this man with wisdom and discernment that only He can provide!
Amen
JFDI - Just Fucking Do It!
They came for his son again. I think it's time he throws down the gauntlet. Trump has to defend his own. He can't fight alone!
Shia LaBeouf
Lol
Trump has the pen and phone now!
Also the magic wand.
We've been suffering censorship for the last three years. It's time to reign them in.
Most of Congress belong to their Chinese Overlords and miss having those regulations that Trump eliminated, so Lobbyists would bribe them to allow businesses to build and hire.
President Trump is the first in my lifetime who cares about us, the People. God Bless him.
He will get tougher and tougher the closer the election is.
Pro tip, dimmies, don't fuck with Daddy.
He really is leaving it to the very last minute, right down to the wire.
He still has time.
If he does it now, will voters remember it on election day?
Will Dems have plenty of time to fuck it up? Race bait? Ect?
Even now new articles and videos are coming out that say Black people are painting over BLM road paintings and that the BLM violence us backfiring on them due to their inaction.
Yes.
Yes.
A couple of acts here and there does not outweigh basically every major corporation in America jumping into the deep end with BLM, even if they're mostly just paying lip service.
I thought it was Govs doing the Street BLM paintings.
Your saying it's corporations?
I'm saying it's a marxist cultural revolution that's affecting both government and corporations. It's an incestuous relationship. They're often one and the same.
Hes not attributing the paintings to corps, hes saying almost every big corp has publicly shown support for BLM.
Now you are confusing me.
Not sure what BLM painted on a street has to do with crops but ok?
Now is the perfect time because it will (hopefully) mean conservatives will be uncensored on social media so they can support him BEFORE the election happens.
He ran out of time 3 years ago. This shit should have been wrapped up in the first 6 months. You're foolish to think he still has time. Any significant thwarting of the media will be met with further gaslighting and confusion from the news, and just hurt Trump's public approval.
If you really didn't have any hope at all in Trump, you would not even be here.
I will repeat what I commented yesterday, black pill shills are sometimes more annoying than leftists. Atleast you know with the leftist which side they are on, with the black pilled fags you geninunely cannot tell.
Thank God. Go Teddy Roosevelt on their ass. What legal device did he use to break up monopolies?
Great question. Im sure POTUS has explored whatever avenue it was
If I were the President I would medieval on their ass.
Depends on which one. I’d have to read up on him again but a bunch of stuff he did was not consitutional. Teddy was a proto-progressive but he didn’t hate America; just too much faith in government and too much hubris in believing he knew best every time.
I think a start would be to label them a publisher instead of a platform?
With less than 100 days to go we're running out of time. Google etc are getting more brazen than ever - just look at what they've been doing to Breitbart recently.
POTUS must act now!
No, he's being very smart about this. He's allowing every other agency that has the power to do something to show their complicity, and allow them to continue in their inaction. Then when it's very clear to those who are watching that nobody intends to protect our freedoms, he will drop the EO. This is the best way to do it. Anyone who complains can be told "Congress and the FCC had ample opportunity to protect the free speech of all Americans online, and they failed to act, so I did it myself."
It's very smart.
Great in theory but we're running out of time. It won't help us to get rid of censorship two or three weeks before election. Minds will have already been made up by then.
It's not a theory. It's what he's actually doing, right in front of our eyes.
That was supposed to read "great idea in theory" but my phone screwed up a lot of words. Sorry!
Calm down
Huh?
They've been test running their broader blacklist algorithms right out in the open. Our light will be snuffed out if Biden wins the election.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/28/election-interference-google-purges-breitbart-from-search-results/
You get downvotes for this comment but no actual discussion. I'll never understand why people who disagree don't voice their point of view. It's why we are here!
I agree with you, but would love someone to tell me I'm wrong and give me some sources/hope.
Section 230 is part of a law and it only protects actual platforms. The issue is not the law, it is the DoJ or FCC or whoever that has to redesignate these entities as publishers.
“I have a pen and a phone”
Executive Order on social media can very simply be:
if you control content published on your website, you're a publisher and you have no platform protections (unless said content broke the law)
if you don't control content published on your website, you're a platform and have those protections
Do it.
Didn't he already do that? Are we all collectively deciding to memoryhole that this already happened back in May???
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/
It's not legally binding but typically you go softhand and then hardhand. They haven't gone easier on the censorship, they doubled down.
I just didn't think that had any directives or consequences of what will exactly happen if it continues
What it did is open them up to successful class action lawsuits. Somebody just needs to start one.
Except then .win becomes a platform. (Correction: publisher is what I meant)
How do we comply and still keep commies, cucks and cretins off?
Yeah, ok - I see the distinction you are making.
I don't think we quite have that dividing line between admins/mods here, so we could still get classed as a platform.
I'm trying to figure out what legal standard will open up the big guys, but not fuck us up, you know?
I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that free market is the only answer.
Any site can censor as they wish, and the market will follow.
The government's role is to keep the established social media outlets from squashing upstarts.
For example, I tried Voat. I do not want to read "kike ni**er faggot" all day, so I quit going.
No you meant publisher. And when one is a publisher the government (I believe) has to be reasonable. IE if you took something down as fast as humanly possible once you found out you aren’t liable. Twitter and FB just let shit sit while sniping wrong think within five minutes, providing their auto-censors didn’t catch it immediately. Therefore Twitter and FB have a capability they aren’t applying to everything they’re supposed to, ergo they’d be in trouble and we’d be fine.
Oops. Yep. Corrected.
And I agree with you.
We'll meme in the shade, yes, but I still want a forum, like this, where anti-Trump people are not welcome, and the racist and jew-hating shit is kept to a minimum.
If twitter, reddit, failbook, etc weren't acting as publishers, then there would BE no need for .win
So its a .win/.win scenario
This is basically what reddit is in the process of implementing. They have purged and banned a massive number of conservatives, and now all the default subs have implemented minimum account age/karma to post. Good luck maturing an account unless you're willing to pretend to be a leftist cuck for upvotes from leftist cucks.
This is very important, people's lives literally depend on it. Big tech is censoring peer reviewed studies that have been proven in many countries from significant statistics.
They sure are. I have no doubt that people died because the truth about HCQ being very safe and effective was SHUT DOWN virtually everywhere.
And I'd love to know how many of these sociopaths who chortled over getting the information shut down were actually taking HCQ themselves?
HARDER DADDY TRUMP! HARDER!
Oh I'm sorry guys i didn't see you there...
SCORCH BIG TECH
BURN THEM ALL!
TO THE GROUND, BOYS!
Okay, so an Executive Order is issued. But how will it be enforced? Can it be enforced???? Or will it be another strongly worded letter? Can we treat the internet companies that provide a public space for discussion as a utility?
It depends on if the deep state can intercept the momentum and gut the execution of the order. The swamp is deep.
Yes we fucking are sick and tired of it. Do it! The sooner the better.
That's our president.
DO IT!
Harsh truth but this is squarely on Trump and has been for years. It shouldn't be in a just world but you know it, I know it, everybody knows that nothing was going to change unless Trump himself did something about it. The buck ends at his desk. Trump is the "Tough Love" president. He's let this fester for 3.5 years. Yes 3.5 years of Trump's inaction, whether "building a case" or not. It's that long because we always knew nobody would do anything, they all want to shift responsibility/blame upwards. I'm of the opinion a slam dunk case had been made before he was even elected president.
ACTION NOW FOR FUCKS SAKE
One of things Sessions didn’t do
Daddy is angry.
Trump… Best President Ever
Unpopular truth about this situation:
https://thedonald.win/p/GbkF5N2H/x/c/141s2Gewie
TL:DR - The social media services in question can not be rehabilitated. Government intervention to force them to be free speech platforms will not produce the desired result. They'll always be biased.
Accept this fact, and categorize these services as publishers. Stop pretending they are platforms. Vote with your feet and move to a service that actually treats you fairly.
https://thedonald.win/p/GIXNaMXh/smash-big-tech-alternatives-for-/
You are a rockstar, thank you!
I'm attempting to both be impartial and not suggest an alternative service. I also dislike most all existing services for various reasons.
The ones you've compiled in your list are mostly very good though, bravo!
NP 👍🏻 If you find any more good ones, you can send me a message
It's not a question of "free speech platforms", because they aren't a government entity. But if they are unevenly applying the rules users of their "platform" agree to that creates an editorial slant, then they are a publisher. Forcing them to be transparent on who they take action on, why and when will allow for oversight on this. Ultimately, they can still decide to mute, block, shadowban who they choose as long as they are doing it evenly in accordance with their platform's rules.
It is already very transparent who is and is not being censored, this much is self evident.
So going with your premise, Uncle Sam forces the service to "be more transparent about how it moderates content" or thereabouts. How is this accomplished? Does the CIA get access to the service's operational logs? Are the employees subject to realtime monitoring?
The point of these questions is to illustrate that this kind of nannying is untenable. It is either so totalitarian in nature that the service provider ceases to innovate due to the crushing weight of gov oversight, and becomes irrelevant - or it is half baked compliance auditing that can be danced around in an ever escalating game of cat and mouse.
To be direct: the service's rules, as stated in writing in the EULA, are that it can do absolutely whatever it wants with user submitted content.
The root problem is the laziness and incompetence of the services' user bases. The users failed to read the terms before agreeing to them, and then became too complacent to seek safer harbors. They've become addicted to the service, won't bother shopping around, and cry "unfair" when the very problems that they've been warned about for years, actually materialize.
These services can not be fixed by Uncle Sam. Leave the service if it sucks so bad (it does).
End international big tech subsidies right fucking now!
time, time, time for some action
jack me and i'll jack you back
~ Trump in 2020 quoting Cypress Hill from 1993 What Go Around Come Around, Kid
I’m just visiting TD.win for the first time today and I see this tweet and the tweet about the AFFH and I’m feeling all warm and fuzzy inside—love this President!
Welcome! You gonna love it here!
I find it absolutely hilarious how the same people who ranted and raved about how we desperately needed Net Neutrality "so that corporation can't decide what sites we can and can't access" are also the people who argue that it's a-okay that social media companies censor and suppress conservative speech because "they're private corporations and can do whatever they want."
As the old saying goes, if the left didn't have double standards then they'd have no standards at all.
Please. There are people at my coding school that support big tech censoring conservatives and or censoring those that don't go with the narrative. Fucking outrageous.
All of our devs think like this. They consider it behavior reinforcement
Send lawyers after them until they bend the knee.
Amen.
If they beg for mercy they shall have none.
Send the DOJ to investigate them for collusion and election interference. They tried to do it to Trump for 3 years so its only fair.
Is it me, or does it seem like our President has been throwing some hard punches lately? Wonder what he knows that gives him this extra chutzpah (not that he needed more)?
First Big Pharma, now Big Tech!!!!! Get FUCKED you cocksuckers, Daddy's got the fucking belt now!!!!!
That's my God Emperor.
Now that is my President. Wrap your boot with barbed wire so they get the peoples point .
That's a fucking rallying cry! Fuck yea we're tired of it!
Death to twitter
All social media is a very open attack vector, some far more than others. Failbook and LinkedIn are the most dangerous, followed by twitter.
Trump nationalizes social media. Socialists and communists throughout the country outraged about abuse of private property rights.
We lost the house and that was a huge blow. It’s time to retake America from chinese sympathisers. Nothing against China really, just the fact that they screw up too much so we need to be independent from them and representatives should represent America NOT global interests.
Hes just considering EOs now?
He did one yesterday too
They've flipped the narrative and are hard at work projecting again. Tech CEOs are claiming that rightists are the ones doing the censoring against poor, dindu leftists.
Fuck Yes!!!
The permanently Banned Krassenstein bothers are back claiming to be their wife's account posting the exact same bullshit as before on every trump tweet and being promoted.
the krASTROTURF brothers, you mean? Twit does nothing about it.
Well it's gonna have to be EO's then