Do you know what the root of the word nation means?
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
Yeah but the point of America is to transcend this shit. Yes, the contrition was written by and for white men. But it was also written as one of the most radical and righteous documents of all time and has grown to encompass far more than the founding fathers could have dreamed of.
We need to stop a devolution into prison gang tribal mentality which tears us apart.
They spoke the words of what they envisioned, in the greatest declaration in history: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
We, the people. Whoever that is. And in the pursuit of the perfect union of people. Regardless of your skin color, religion, whatever. If you're with us, you're American.
I think we're furthest from that vision than any time since it was written, and previous to that. We have generations of people who were born into the most coveted, desired nationality ever, and despise it, have no respect for it, and want to throw it away for the pipe dreams of mealy mouthed 60's Marxists and slimy, power and money grabbing globalists.
I've lived outside the US - and despite the good things other cultures have to share, it just made me realize how special, how valuable, how worth fighting for being American is. The world hates us, because they covet what we have, what we built. I was born an American. I was raised in America. And you don't have the right to take that away from me, because you're jealous. You want what we have? Work for it. If some slimy EU shithead starts in with "You Americans" the only proper response is "Go fuck yourself." I'm proud of the country I was born in, contribute to, and support.
Imagine you could talk to the founders. Either hop into a time machine to appear before the continental congress, or zap them all into existence here and now. How do you think they'd react to "Of course it's natural that our nation should fill with Mohammedans and Africans and Cental and South American mestizos, because the United States is just a neat idea."
A piece of paper that says you're a citizen does not make you magically turn American. American soil isn't made up of magic dirt that turns people American when they come here. The problem is the vast majority of them AREN'T WITH US, and they never will be.
To ourselves and our posterity. Interesting phrase.
That means to the American citizens alive at that time, and their descendants. That means me, and many of you. It doesnt mean anyone who happens to come along.
Ok, I agree there, we are not meant to become minorities but that’s not what I was saying. I simply meant to say the constitution, to me, was not violated by giving rights to women and people of color. It says “all (white) men are created equal,” was Lincoln anti-American for freeing blacks? No. We’re not meant to be minorities, but we’re also the best country of all time and we’re that way for a reason.
Lincoln freed the blacks, but he didn’t intend for them to vote, or even stay here, because he knew the two societies would never be one and would never be equal. Check out some of the text of his actual debates with Douglas if you doubt that.
As others said, that was never the point of america. America was founded (and built by mostly white people) for freedom and liberty. Not to stick your head in the sand and allow non-americans to push multiculturalism and diversity.
Every race has the freedom to defend their own race when its under massive attack, including white people.
I understand why you say that, because that is what we were taught. The reality is that we have never been together. It only seemed like it because America was 80-90% white for most of its history and assimilation is maximized when the minority population is that low.
Now that whites are a minority in k-12, the country is being torn in all different directions.
"With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.
This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties."
Yes I agree. I also agree with the Old Testament that sojourners or workers among us should be given the same treatment under our law.
I’m Mormon, so I believe this land is our inheritance and shall be ours for ever and ever so long as we follow the commandments of God through His Son.
Do you know what the root of the word nation means?
Yeah but the point of America is to transcend this shit. Yes, the contrition was written by and for white men. But it was also written as one of the most radical and righteous documents of all time and has grown to encompass far more than the founding fathers could have dreamed of. We need to stop a devolution into prison gang tribal mentality which tears us apart.
no, that's not, and was never the point of America.
We really should focus on being MORE tribal before we are wiped out.
Yep, getting real tired of fence sitters that just refuse to see the writing on the wall.
It's so hard to believe that anyone could still be on the fence. I almost assume they are shilling.
Oh, so 'living document' tripe.
Guess what, they didn't dream of it because it was a retarded idea, becoming a minority in your homeland.
They were far more sensible back then.
They spoke the words of what they envisioned, in the greatest declaration in history: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
We, the people. Whoever that is. And in the pursuit of the perfect union of people. Regardless of your skin color, religion, whatever. If you're with us, you're American.
I think we're furthest from that vision than any time since it was written, and previous to that. We have generations of people who were born into the most coveted, desired nationality ever, and despise it, have no respect for it, and want to throw it away for the pipe dreams of mealy mouthed 60's Marxists and slimy, power and money grabbing globalists.
I've lived outside the US - and despite the good things other cultures have to share, it just made me realize how special, how valuable, how worth fighting for being American is. The world hates us, because they covet what we have, what we built. I was born an American. I was raised in America. And you don't have the right to take that away from me, because you're jealous. You want what we have? Work for it. If some slimy EU shithead starts in with "You Americans" the only proper response is "Go fuck yourself." I'm proud of the country I was born in, contribute to, and support.
Imagine you could talk to the founders. Either hop into a time machine to appear before the continental congress, or zap them all into existence here and now. How do you think they'd react to "Of course it's natural that our nation should fill with Mohammedans and Africans and Cental and South American mestizos, because the United States is just a neat idea."
A piece of paper that says you're a citizen does not make you magically turn American. American soil isn't made up of magic dirt that turns people American when they come here. The problem is the vast majority of them AREN'T WITH US, and they never will be.
To ourselves and our posterity. Interesting phrase.
That means to the American citizens alive at that time, and their descendants. That means me, and many of you. It doesnt mean anyone who happens to come along.
Ok, I agree there, we are not meant to become minorities but that’s not what I was saying. I simply meant to say the constitution, to me, was not violated by giving rights to women and people of color. It says “all (white) men are created equal,” was Lincoln anti-American for freeing blacks? No. We’re not meant to be minorities, but we’re also the best country of all time and we’re that way for a reason.
Lincoln freed the blacks, but he didn’t intend for them to vote, or even stay here, because he knew the two societies would never be one and would never be equal. Check out some of the text of his actual debates with Douglas if you doubt that.
There’s a reason we are trying to remain white. Liberia had an identical constitution, and look how that turned out
lol
Name a president who killed more Americans than Lincoln
As others said, that was never the point of america. America was founded (and built by mostly white people) for freedom and liberty. Not to stick your head in the sand and allow non-americans to push multiculturalism and diversity.
Every race has the freedom to defend their own race when its under massive attack, including white people.
I understand why you say that, because that is what we were taught. The reality is that we have never been together. It only seemed like it because America was 80-90% white for most of its history and assimilation is maximized when the minority population is that low.
Now that whites are a minority in k-12, the country is being torn in all different directions.
I see your point.i wouldn’t be voting Trump if I didn’t see it clearly.
Federalist #2, John Jay:
"With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.
This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties."
Yes I agree. I also agree with the Old Testament that sojourners or workers among us should be given the same treatment under our law. I’m Mormon, so I believe this land is our inheritance and shall be ours for ever and ever so long as we follow the commandments of God through His Son.