PLEASE ask the doctor to prove that it's been debunked if you can, draft an email that sounds like you're completely out of the loop and just ask for the evidence of it being bad for you so that you can share it with your friends that recommend it.
Every single doctor should know how safe this drug is. It’s very old, very common, and was handed out like candy to anyone visiting a country with malaria. If they don’t know this they are a shitty doctor.
I don't know what I would do but if I were in a state that had banned it (maybe mine has) I'd demand it be given to me were I in the hospital. If they refused, I would leave and if they tried to stop me, I would film them as they refused to let me leave, and call my lawyer, citing their efforts to kill me because their political bias has not obstructed their ability to objectively do their job. I'd sue the doctors, and the hospital for malpractice. It would be fucking glorious.
The governor, Murphy is a freaking fascist. Former Goldman Sachs guy, made his billions there. We know who his master is. He literally bought the election.
It’s very old, very common, and was handed out like candy to anyone visiting a country with malaria.
Personal experience here of numerous WESTPAC/Indian Ocean/Africa/Middle East deployments btwn 1975 and 2000. For prophylaxis against malaria. Still alive and well.
I'll forward you my brother's thoughts on it -- he falls somewhere in between where we do, and where the anti-HCQ'ers fall, and he's a doctor in NYC. He's not a virologist or anything, but he was assigned to a major hospital for the first few (really bad) months of the virus in NYC and was treating covid patients. He noted that, at first, the hospital gave HCQ to every patient. They no longer do. He said he didn't see any definitive evidence that it was working, but he also acknowledges it is an incredible safe drug. He said the main reason he understands why it isn't being used, and more research needed, is because it does genuinely pose a very small risk to certain patients, typically those with heart problems. The issue then becomes, even though the risk is very small, in a disease that has a ~99.76% survival rate, the drug may be just as likely to kill someone (the risk just needs to surpass .26%) as the virus itself is. He isn' anti HCQ, he was just explaining to me the rationale. He also wrote me an RX for it just in case before they started banning it and everything, so he's definitely not against it, but does understand the caution
His hospital was using the combo (HCQ + Zinc + Azythromycin [sp?]) -- not sure about any other hospitals there, though
edit - actually, I do know at least one other hospital, Long Island Jewish Medical Center, was using the same combo (he used to work at this one -- wasn't during the pandemic, but still has a ton of friends and colleagues there who he speaks to regularly
Works best if given early and it is the Azythromycin that causes heart issues, other antibiotics can be used. That said HCQ kills or makes very sick people with the fauvism gene and we have to be aware of that. There is no silver bullet.
My sisters in law who are nurses like the steroids to calm the immune system for severe cases. The Hispanic guy who is doing my concrete says it has ripped through the Hispanic community and he knows tons of people who had it and none got very sick. The stats here support what he said. If we can figure out why some people get more sick it would be good.
Of course, but there is data suggesting (in rare instances) severe risks, including death, with HCQ used alone, as well as with Azythromycin or other antibiotics. The risk is very low, and I'm not arguing/and agree that HCQ is very safe; but the point is, if it even poses a 1% or less risk, then it's reasonable to at least point out that the risks of using the HCQ combo could be just as fatal as the virus itself without definitive proof of its efficacy. If 99.26% survive covid, and say, 99.1% survive, with no severe adverse effects from the HCQ combo, it's at least understandable why many doctors and professionals would want more research or conclusive evidence as to its efficacy in treating covid.
But I do agree -- there is an active smear campaign against a very safe drug that demands scrutiny, and enough research to suggest it delivers beneficial outcomes for a statistically significant # of patients when administered at the right time/right stage of covid progression; was simply just explaining the reasoning behind it as my brother explained it (who's very rational, a conservative, doesn't trust Fauci, hates the politicization of this, and was one of the nyc doctors using the HCQ combo in hospital patients, so I do at least account for his input and trust his judgement based on how neutral and objective he is)
Or that the studies he furnishes were retracted, because they were bogus, not science, and unethical. Including giving a LETHAL dose, as in the Brazil study. And before that hospitalizations and deaths in Brazil had been reduced 95% by following Dr Zelenko's protocol, without him even being involved in any way.
It's outrageous for any Doctor to pretend that it was somehow DJT "giving medical advice," when it is Governors that have prevented Doctors from treating their patients, resulting in 135,000+ preventable deaths.
All that said, I don't think Drs should be penalized for NOT prescribing anything they think is a bad idea. I think Drs and patients have a sacred relationship that Governors should not interfere with, and pharmacists should be able to fill prescriptions Drs write. I do place the blame squarely on the shoulders of Governors, because the Governor of SD proves that 1 Governor can stand up to the bureaucracy and WIN.
Yeah that bit pissed me off and made it clear he's just a delusional anti-trump fucktard, Trump NEVER gave medical advice, he commented on a drug that he heard was effective and then went on to take that drug himself as per his own doctors advice. This shit is infuriating.
Strongly debunked implies that there are several high-quality studies proving it to be false, and no studies proving it to be true. That is certainly not the case with hydroxychloroquine.
This is a critical point. No doctor would claim that Tamiflu doesn't work for the flu, but Tamiflu is useless if not given early as are most antivirals, including Remdesivir. It's a double standard. I haven't seen any study which prescribed HCQ early and had a negative outcome.
Comprehensive paper documenting HCQ and the ongoing political/media suppression. Spread it before google & big tech scrub it completely from the internet. white paper on hydroxychloroquine
On March 1, 2020, Gilead (the remdesivir company working to get HCQ banned) CFO Robin Washington left to work on the board at Alphabet/Google/YouTube.1
After reading that, the only one that was really questioning the efficacy of HCQ, and doing it very publicly was Fauci. If anyone is to be held responsible at this point, it needs to be him!
"Trump is wrong about hydroxy chloroquine and it will kill you. Don't ever take it. Forget you ever heard the name and call the police if you hear someone mention it then stick your fingers in your ears till the cops get there because it's dangerous to even heard the name uttered.
Dr. Shitbag Assface has proven evidence (I can't show you the evidence but trust us, it exists) of the words hydroxy and chloro and quine, when spoken together form a high frequency that will give you numerological damage. Even reading about it can cause serious damage. If you see any article that say anything remotely positive about it you should close your eyes immediately."
You think salon is hiring I bet I just wrote their next article.
Then call him on his shit when whatever study he cites invariably either used the bogus surgisphere dataset or didn’t include zinc with the HCQ dose. HCQ doesn’t help against the virus without the zinc.
Not quite true: HCQ paired with azithromycin is proven anti-viral against CCPvirus. At least one Dr used doxycycline instead of Az due to less or no risk of heart arrhythmia with doxy. Add zinc to that pair and hospitalizations and deaths are again cut in half.
It's the combination of all three that is Dr Zelenko's protocol, i.e. Trump pills. Anyway all the studies that try to show HCQ "doesn't work" don't follow Dr Z's protocol.
Yes, the HCQ + zinc + AZT protocol came from Dr. Zelenko (the Zelenko protocol). The frontline doctors even sent a video to Zelenko to thank him and tell him that they all stand on his shoulders. https://mobile.twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1288344757018624000
He believes that zinc stops viral replication. HCQ is used as a zinc ionophore (it helps transport zinc into cells). AZT or doxycycline are the antibiotics used to get rid of any lung coinfections that happen from lung damage caused by the virus.
In my state also, doctors were banned from prescribing HCQ. Even now doctors fear losing their licenses. Some pharmacists will refuse to fill prescriptions for it and try to get the doctors in trouble. As a Plan B for where HCQ is not available, Dr. Zelenko suggests quercetin in place of HCQ, because quercetin, like HCQ, is also a zinc ionophore, but quercetin is available over the counter as a supplement. https://mobile.twitter.com/YKnot74/status/1284917967654801408
My family has been taking quercetin +zinc + vit C as prophylaxis. (Add in vit D for older people.)
If symptoms of virus are present, a doctor can also prescribe an antibiotic (azithromycin or doxycycline). Legally I can't give medical advice; I can only give background info and tell you to listen to a doctor you trust.
There's some truth to that and I'm not much older than your friend. My doctor recommended a Vitamin D test and I was incredibly low. I work inside but I'm outside often. Shorts and short sleeves most of the time and I don't wear sunscreen much. It's very clear if someone were to see how much darker my arms and legs are that I get sunlight. Yet still I was super low.
All good info! Something else that works as a zinc ionophore is green tea extract. Although I would think quercetin is better because it does all sorts of good things for our immune system even without zinc.
If any of this were about concern for public health we would've heard about how to boost our immune system immediately. Staying inside is the WORST thing for it! Exercise helps. Echinacea helps. Lots of antioxidants help, as does NAC. All this stuff is cheap (well some antioxidants can be very expensive, but others are cheap. One klwi has a TON of vitamin C, that is very bioavailable)
I agree, it was ridiculous that there was no info put out about prophylaxis or even general immune support. These things are so cheap and widely available. But with all the outrage about HCQ, you can imagine the rage if there was anything with the same function that is even cheaper and more available.
“Oh, haven’t you been following the news? The President (and his team of expert medical advisers) were recently proven right on HCQ/Zinc/Z-pack, and the Lancelet study was withdrawn from peer review for inaccuracy. As a doctor you should really know better than to take medical advice from late-night comedy shows. Let me know when I will be able to pick up my prescription. Thanks!”
Ask the doctor why he/she made their answer political. Since they made it political, ask why the drug has been banned to prescribe by the state.
Next, ask the 'doctor' how much federal aid the state receives for "covid positive" cases. Then ask them how much federal/state money their practice receives from diagnosing "covid" cases.
Finally, ask the doctor how much money their practice receives from pharmaceutical companies pushing ""treatments"".
Honest physicians seem to be the rarity these days. When politics becomes involved you can safely bet there's a scam being perpetuated and tax money is being grafted.
When they leave the state, doxx him and post this again with his name uncovered so people can see what a giant douche he is and avoid him. The first four sentences would have been enough - it is not his medical opinion to take it, and it is against the law. Fair enough. It's the rest of the message that is uncalled for
It's the rest of his message that reveals his bias, putting his recommendation as an objective physician into question.
Once the Kodak plant starts pumping out HCQ and the truth starts to bubble up to the surface, there should be he'll to pay for doctors putting politics above people's lives.
This. I wouldn't trust this doctor in any way; he's clearly willing to throw you and your family under the bus for his political goals and violating his oath.
Ignorance is not an excuse here. Medical doctors go through years of rigorous training and study to ensure they don't unintentionally harm or kill someone via diagnosis and treatment. They also get paid a premium as compensation for the responsibility they are expected to carry.
So when a doctor doesn't do his own due diligence and instead relies on fake news soundbites to make a medical decision, he deserves to be ridiculed into obscurity.
They are fools but almost all doctors are like this. Apathetic and disinterested. It’s just a job for them. They aren’t going to put in any extra effort to keep up with any medical news, and they certainly aren’t going to be bothered to read medical journals. They will turn on Stephen Colbert when they’re in bed and get all their news that way, then go to work the next day and phone it in like they always do. They probably spend more time thinking about what top the cute secretary is going to wear the next day than anything to do with actually healing anyone. These people are as pathetic and selfish and LAZY as teachers. They are way overpaid and it makes them like this. They get smug and entitled with a superiority complex that gradually turns them into moronic assholes.
Which is all the more important to make sure the doctors are kept up to date with their continuing education and with the news relevant to their practice. If they won't do it out of free will, then maybe threaten their licensing to make them comply.
1000% he and his practice will benefit financially from more ""cases"" and being able to legally 'prescribe' the ""correct"" medications ... from a pharmaceutical company that certain politicians sit on the board of no doubt.
When it turns political you can be assured there's some kind of monetary ) tax graft scam in play.
It would be relevant as an indication that Trump supporters exist across the spectrum of American society. And some people might think that we hate trans people, but I think it's more accurate to say most of us don't care what people do with their own bodies. We just don't want their set of beliefs shoved down our throats.
100% on the money! Leftists will happily pretend to care about me and my problems... until I make it clear that they aren't going to get my vote. Then it's off to the gulag! Would always prefer someone who sincerely disapproves of my lifestyle but is willing to live and let live.
True! As long as you're not trying to brainwash kids with "drag queen story time hour," I think those that are truly trans deserve dignity and respect. Just like anyone else. Any adult trying to talk about their own sexuality with children is ABUSE. May the be confined to the lower pits of hell, and sent there pronto.
Marxists are our enemy, and at their head are pedos. Give no quarter! (Draw and quarter though)
Couldn't agree more! I get uncomfortable at the idea of even walking around in the park if there are kids playing there. I'm not ashamed of who I am, but kids don't have the mental or emotional maturity to understand yet. Can't imagine what is going through the mind of a trans person who goes to a preschool or something. Super creepy.
I would like to see you comfortable enough in your own skin that you can function and do what you want without shame, discomfort, or fear. Thank you for having a conscience and caring about how you effect others! I can't begin to fathom what these issues must be like, but I'm sure it doesn't make life easier.
Just walking on your way probably won't impact kids in any real way; they're very good at moving on. Other people making a scene could draw their attention, and then it becomes an issue. Hopefully we're past that as a society.
Planned parenthood sends people who are straight and CIS gendered to elementary schools to discuss sex with kids of all ages. This is a FAR bigger problem than most other things on the subject ...
It is not really possible to ask society to both “respect trans” and “not teach it to kids”. Once you concede that trans must be respected, there are no grounds on which to argue it cannot also be taught to children as a legitimate expression of gender identity. The only argument to protect children from trans propaganda is to take the position that cutting off your genitals is a symptom of a mental illness called body or gender dysmorphic disorder. And mental disorders may be sympathized with, but they cannot be respected. Nobody is arguing (yet) that we must “respect schizophrenia”.
Not trying to be an ass but this is a logical trap that we walk into when we fall for the “respect trans” angle. We have to look at it like other dysmorphic disorders, such as anorexia. There is now a movement to “respect anorexia” and “who is to say that this skeletal 75-pound body is unhealthy”, and if that ever becomes mainstream, they will be teaching anorexia to kids in schools as a valid dietary choice.
I don't think you're being an ass, but respectfully I do think you are mistaken. "Respect" is sort of a complex idea. You can "respect" a gun or alcohol or a bear, but that doesn't make it something you'd want your children playing around, right? I don't think I'm as dangerous as those things, but maybe it's the same idea here.
It's perfectly reasonable to teach your children that people like me exist and that I should be treated with the same dignity as anyone else, but also that it is not a healthy lifestyle and results in suffering. Isn't that the truth?
"Once you concede that trans must be respected, there are no grounds on which to argue it cannot also be taught to children as a legitimate expression of gender identity"
Bullshit, and I already spelled it out. Any adult other than their parent sharing their own sexuality or trying to talk about sex with a minor child is being abusive, should be reserved to the lowest level of hell, and sent there post haste.
The whole notion of "sex ed" is bogus. The time it takes to explain the mechanics of how to avoid unwanted pregnancy is trivial. Nobody knows better than a parent when a child is ready and in need of learning this. Some parents do teach their own children about this "legitimate expression of gender identity" bs, most often leading to more problems for their child down the road. Any decent Dr will tell you that if you simply reaffirm their biological sex a few times, most kids will grow out of that phase and move on. Don't make a big deal out of it. 6 months later and they're still experimenting? Well, maybe they're a rare case of chromosomes not being simple XX or XY or something else biological going on.
Schools aren't capable of dealing with any of that. It's perfectly possible to make the topic off limits to schools, and to respect those rare individuals that aren't simple XX or XY, I'm not sure how a change like this gets implemented while we allow Marxists to live.
Also too, lots of trans people never undergo surgery. Most M to F don't chop off their junk, even if they get breast implants and hormone treatment. While the topic is more complex than that, people joining the military or getting sent to prison just to have this surgery paid for should NOT be an option.
Well, after all of the trans activists in recent years trying to destroy American culture, I understand why you're suspicious of me. But I don't approve of any of that - I think people have gone way too far. Would you be willing to judge me as an individual, or is the fact that I'm trans all you need to know about me?
Since it's Anaconda asking I'm going to go out on a limb (don't worry, I'm not going far) to say that Anaconda and "Transgirl" are samefagging, and samefagging hard, this is b8, and I'm also disappointed in those of you who don't realize it.
I'm curious if OP even mentioned anything about Trump in the initial request. I totally would have just replied with something like "who says I'm taking Trump's advice? I'm just listening to all these studies and articles (link articles here)" at the end i would then call out the idiot doctor playing politics with health.
no it fucking hasn't. the ford study and the NYU study about zinc in combination with hyroxy and azithro prove as such. Also the "debunked" claim is a VA study reference that wasn't even a VA study. It was partially funded by Gilead, a major competitor to hydroxy, the study did not list a SINGLE dosage, it excluded Zinc, and it was only administered to the exceptionally sick with other co-morbidities including AIDS and Cancer.
https://nationalfile.com/busted-media-uses-va-study-to-launch-easily-debunked-attack-on-hydroxychloroquine/
The part that was new was the proof that the majority of doctors are in on the scam, and knowingly went along with it to “get Drumpf”. They will withhold cures, falsify numbers, publish fake studies - anything they want just to satisfy their egos. It’s actually very similar to how many other corruptions have been revealed by Trump, like the corruption in the FBI, at the WHO, amongst police chiefs, even in the military.
We need an FAQ style resource organize by issues. Kayleigh style, you feel? So every issue that Libs bring up has a living and running resources for all of us to provide a counter attack point to. It's the only way to win. Attack back. If we don't, we loose. Look up the research on political science and you'll find out why the science backs up Trump's quick to attack back approach.
Don't forget the mention the lancet study that was used to attack Hydroxychloroquine. That study was subsequently retracted for a number of reasons including the fact that they would not share the data for peer review and also because the data set itself was highly questionable. The docs who authored it are under an ethics investigation and also have ties to Gilead. Don't take my word for it, take the NYT's own words
And keep in mind what a big deal it is for those two journals to have to retract a paper. Of course (of fucking course) you won't hear about that angle from the news, but this is a huge scandal.
I think a better strategy is to draw him in to convo if at all possible. He may be legitimately misinformed. Remember, Drs are primary sold on what Rx to prescribe by big pharma.
I've seen more than 1 Dr here change their mind based on getting better info. "Integrity" is the word for that.
Point out that flaw in the study. Also, Dr Zelenko's protocol that works is HCQ + zinc + azithromycin. Although it this point dropping Dr Z's name is probably like Dr I's demon statements.
Good man. There was also a huge difference between those who got HCQ and those who didn't; those who got HCQ were MUCH sicker,. Nothing about that was science, and it certainly wasn't medical care.
Also those that did get HCQ, none of them got it in combination with both zinc and azithromycin, and none of them got any of it in doses that've been shown to work. Those that did get a combination, there was no consistency to it.
The whole thing was merely an attempt to manipulate public opinion. No MD should ever fall for such a ruse.
That is one possibility, and it can't be ruled out. However, and especially with a Dr., you have to realize how much info they're flooded with and where it comes from. He's been deluged with people telling him POTUS pushes HCQ, maybe has financial interest in it, isn't a Dr., and it doesn't work.
Such a person might be redpilled, in the right situation. Drs learning the truth about all this is extremely important! They're mostly exposed to big pharma pill pushers.
It clearly works we just need to fight back harder. What that means i don't know though. My mom takes Hydroxichloroquine for another disease but her doctor who used to prescribe 3 months at a time is more only allowing weekly scripts.
In WI Drs can't prescribe it for ANY reason, including lupus patients who have been on it for decades. In some cases that's fatal.
"Fighting back harder" should have meant physically removing our Governors from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder, over this very issue. Now they have killed 135,000 + people that could have lived with early treatment following Dr Z's protocol. I pointed that out here full time beginning 3/31, and we have yet to fight back. About anything. Plannedriots make that a costlier move, but it still might be our best move. Waiting until after fraudulent election results are announced only weakens our position, substantially.
We may accelerate that by showing as many D voters as possible the truth about Portland and all the other violence occurring where there is NO rule of law (WROL)
Good point. I am waiting for real evidence to prove it's "fake science" or doesn't work. Any evidence to prove the billion dollar research is better.
The left was never the party of science and they're even less now. The doctors read an article or posting and just agree with it. In person I have asked doctors general questions they should know and they fail at it.
You'll be waiting forever because there is no such evidence and ALL the evidence is to the contrary. Screen out for risk of heart arrhythmia so there is real reason to develop ONE alternative treatment that has no such risk. After that very few will die if treated early, as you seem to be well aware!
I wish masks were so cut and dried. I've seen research all over the map on this. Lots of it in favor of masks is easily dismissed, but some of it I can't debunk. It's not repeatable though, and science is repeatable. The best I can determine about masks is it reduces the amount of "stuff" an infectious person spreads from enough to get you sick, to still enough to get you sick.
And for lupus. And for rheumatoid arthritis. John Hopkins declared it safe for long term use at 400 mg per day many years ago. 400 mg per day for 5 days is all we need, in combination with zinc and az.
In WI you can;t get HCQ for ANY reason, if you've been on it for decades for lupus. That can be fatal for some people. This is NOT about concern for public health.
You don’t fuck around with HIPPA. Easy lawsuits to win and thrown out of the medical world. If the doctor wants to destroy their career, I guess they could out them.
Wait! It is 40+ Governors that have issued the royal decree that no Dr shall prescribe HCQ, and no pharmacist shall fill any prescriptiion for HCQ, upon pain of losing their license. These 40 + Governors are guilty of murdering 135,000 + people.
The note says it's "strongly debunked", but is it? Or is he just using talking points from legacy media that does anything to trash the president, including NOT believing studies and other doctors that are FOR using the drug?
Saw this in the comment section of an HCQ video and saved it for future reference. Apparently, it's a video conferencing website staffed by actual doctors who will not only prescribe HCQ, but have it delivered to you. Don't know anything about it, and am not making any medical recommendations. Just passing it along in case it might be useful to you.
https://speakwithanmd.com/
It's not the State. The Governor blames it on medical boards, but SD proves that the Governor can stand up to the bureaucracy and win. My Governor is a coward, liar, and mass murderer. This is true of 40 + Governors.
CAN I GET PRESCRIBED MEDICATION AS A RESULT OF THE VISIT?
Yes. However, this is at the discretion of the healthcare provider.
Please Note: Controlled substances will never be prescribed by a healthcare provider. Also, there may be other medications that will not be prescribed as well.
Still sounds like a no go in California and states where it's banned. It might work for areas where the doctors are unwilling to do it, but the governor hasn't stopped it.
I remember Dr. Oz months ago saying we have 300K lupus patients in the US taking HCQ and he was trying to find out if any of them had contracted covid 19. Then he was silenced and moved on to telling everyone to wear masks....
"In a normal world" we wouldn't even need this site.
I've been trying to get through my idiot friend's heads that at least HCQ should be being studied frantically as one of many desperate attempts to wipe out this awful, terrible, once in a billion years disease that has killed almost a percent of a percent of a percent of the planet.
The way HCQ is dismissed so rapidly and the way rioting is endrosed proves no one is actually scared of the virus and are at best posers virtue signalling and enjoying working in their underwear.
I disagree. Studying, no matter how frantically, is unethical if it means a single sick person is denied medicine. Even King George never engaged in that level of tyranny! All this talk of "double blind studies" was COMPLETELY unethical!
Medicate. Early and aggressively. Don't wait for test results, medicate upon Dr diagnosis which has always been more accurate than any test result, from the beginning.
Here's what matters:
don't die
don't need a ventilator
don't get so sick you could be admitted to a hospital for CCPvirus. This is perfectly consistent with the original goal of "15 days to flatten the curve."
Any "study" needs to be observing people on Dr Zelenko's protocol, proven to reduce hospitalizations and deaths by at least 95%. This is the most important issue right now, still. I can't believe anybody swallowed this bs after plannedriots.
Scary plague of death could've been stopped dead in it's tracks by April 1. Masks should be irrelevant.
Sure I'm with you. But if retards are going to say "no it's proven not to work" then at least we can push back with "that is not proven at all and if people wanted a solution, they would have tried (or be actively trying) it en masse, across several states and with speed".
There is literally no counter-argument to "it has not remotely been given a chance".
Honestly it's been long enough that at this point if your doctor isn't recommending it for covid I'd get a new doctor. Yes I realize that excludes most doctors, but do you really want a doctor who's below average? I don't.
tons of doctors out there are just pill pushers who don't actually know fuck all aside from what pharma companies advertise to them. source: my grandfather who got rich selling drugs to doctors
I'm a pill seeker non-patient when it comes to HCQ. We should have well over a billion at this point. 15 is a full course of treatment. That will last 2 months of preventative use. Even if you catch it on a preventative dose, it's not likely to advance quickly so you have more time to get the rest of the meds (zinc is available OTC, and azithromycin is widely available)
You need to move your parents out of California. There are plenty of nice red states with wonderfully relaxing retirement locations that they can enjoy.
Just make sure they vote red in their new state. Most blue states are beyond saving, which makes it even more important that red states don’t flip to the dark side.
He'd probably lose his license for doing or saying anything different. The culpability is on the Governor! 40 + Governors are responsible for 135,000 + preventable deaths.
Your doctor is not a real doctor. REAL DOCTORS follow the latest evidence and can also read a paper and determine if it has value rather than just reading the abstract and conclusion.
AS A REAL DOCTOR: I can unequivocally tell you that the studies "debunking" plaquenil are total trash, that do not control for confounding variables, meanwhile legitimate science such as this study by Henry Ford hospital keep proving again and again that plaquenil is efficacious https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Then he could answer that he just advises against the use of the drug from what he has seen. He just broke out into an NPC and went "orange man bad" to someone asking for his help.
I think this is less common than it used to be. No shame in a doc responding to an email with direct evidence for a lawsuit with this line about how it is illegal.
The 'debunked' line sounds like they do not know what they are talking about and just listen to authorities.
It's more than that. 40+ Governors have issued the royal decree that HCQ can't be either prescribed by a Dr or an Rx for it filled by a pharmacist, upon pain of losing their license.
Guess who owns big pharma, MSM, the Fed, and wields undue influence over academia via the CFR? Better yet, look them up. THEY are our enemy! The horde in the street is just a distraction; they have no idea what agenda they're advancing.
Also, SD proves that the Governor can stand up against all the bureaucracy and WIN.
That's the way it is for most of us in the Country. It's not legal to live. It's not legal to kill. This is how a society gets to the point that law just doesn't matter anymore.
There are other boards that cost an MD their license for doing or saying anything other than what that Dr did. South Dakota proves one Governor can win against all that bureaucracy, which is why it's the Governors that are mass murderers. 135,000 +
I never understood doctor worship myself.
Most of the time their occupation is just trial and error until they finally identify what’s wrong with you. I’ve witnessed doctors literally googling my symptoms, something I could have done at home for fucking free.
The medical field is just like IT for the human body, some techs are better than others, and you know what the system looks like when it’s working, and when it’s broken by your most commonly encountered issues.
Same here. I also have been assigned to clinics and they don't even have doctors. They just use their licenses to extend and grant powers to physicians assistants who know nothing and leave the room every time they need to search something.
I won't disparage doctors in general.
But objectively, I would agree that the doctor profession (especially GPs) relies on consensus and sometimes this consensus traps them from thinking out of the box ( with the exception of medical researchers).
They also stick to majority consensus to avoid getting sued.
I guess that make sense, you don't want your doctor experimenting on you as a guinea pig.
Medical science has never done me any good. They have never diagnosed a single problem, let alone found anything to help. I'm 55. Medical science said I'd be dead before I was 16. I don't listen to Drs!
And pandemics prey on those who avoid medicine (particularly those who have been brainwashed against whatever the President recommends). Weeds out the stupid. Too.
Ya know this could solve a lot of problems if President Trump said breathing was good for you.
CNN would end up wiping themselves out by asphyxiation in hours. All of their viewers too. Think of the additional real-estate and job opportunities that would be available.
I know some doctors and they get on conference calls with other "more respected" doctors to get updates on things. I think that many of them are being fed lies by the people up the chain who are probably making money from big Pharma.
Its a good reminder that while doctors are useful - you have to be your own health advocate. Ask questions, get their input, do research, and then make a good decision
Right. He is mis-informed. Don't bother reading any of the peer-reviewed studies or anything. The fact that he mentioned the President signals that he suffers from TDS.
I live in a very red state and have heard pretty much the same response from the three doctors and two nurses I’ve asked. I have lost a lot of faith in the medical field over the last few months.
I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily.
When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk. I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.
[Recent studies supporting HCQ include:] "an additional 400 high-risk patients treated by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, with zero deaths; four studies totaling almost 500 high-risk patients treated in nursing homes and clinics across the U.S., with no deaths; a controlled trial of more than 700 high-risk patients in Brazil, with significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and two deaths among 334 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine; and another study of 398 matched patients in France, also with significantly reduced hospitalization risk."
Beyond these studies of individual patients, we have seen what happens in large populations when these drugs are used. These have been "natural experiments." In the northern Brazil state of Pará, COVID-19 deaths were increasing exponentially. On April 6, the public hospital network purchased 75,000 doses of azithromycin and 90,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine. Over the next few weeks, authorities began distributing these medications to infected individuals. Even though new cases continued to occur, on May 22 the death rate started to plummet and is now about one-eighth what it was at the peak.
A reverse natural experiment happened in Switzerland. On May 27, the Swiss national government banned outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Around June 10, COVID-19 deaths increased four-fold and remained elevated. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23 the death rate reverted to what it had been beforehand. People who die from COVID-19 live about three to five weeks from the start of symptoms, which makes the evidence of a causal relation in these experiments strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion medications reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients.
First, as all know, the medication has become highly politicized. For many, it is viewed as a marker of political identity, on both sides of the political spectrum. Nobody needs me to remind them that this is not how medicine should proceed. We must judge this medication strictly on the science. When doctors graduate from medical school, they formally promise to make the health and life of the patient their first consideration, without biases of race, religion, nationality, social standing—or political affiliation. Lives must come first.
Second, the drug has not been used properly in many studies. Hydroxychloroquine has shown major success when used early in high-risk people but, as one would expect for an antiviral, much less success when used late in the disease course. [my note: as it is with Remdesivir] Even so, it has demonstrated significant benefit in large hospital studies in Michigan and New York City when started within the first 24 to 48 hours after admission.
...concerns have been raised by the FDA and others about risks of cardiac arrhythmia, especially when hydroxychloroquine is given in combination with azithromycin. The FDA based its comments on data in its FDA Adverse Event Reporting System. This reporting system captured up to a thousand cases of arrhythmias attributed to hydroxychloroquine use. In fact, the number is likely higher than that, since the reporting system, which requires physicians or patients to initiate contact with the FDA, appreciably undercounts drug side effects.
But what the FDA did not announce is that these adverse events were generated from tens of millions of patient uses of hydroxychloroquine for long periods of time, often for the chronic treatment of lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. Even if the true rates of arrhythmia are ten-fold higher than those reported, the harms would be minuscule compared to the mortality occurring right now in inadequately treated high-risk COVID-19 patients. This fact is proven by an Oxford University study of more than 320,000 older patients taking both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, who had arrhythmia excess death rates of less than 9/100,000 users...
In the future, I believe this misbegotten episode regarding hydroxychloroquine will be studied by sociologists of medicine as a classic example of how extra-scientific factors overrode clear-cut medical evidence. But for now, reality demands a clear, scientific eye on the evidence and where it points. For the sake of high-risk patients, for the sake of our parents and grandparents, for the sake of the unemployed, for our economy and for our polity, especially those disproportionally affected, we must start treating immediately.
The thing about covid-19 is that this virus will be around forever
Bullshit. If everybody in the U.S. took HCQ for a month, the virus would have nowhere to replicate, except for visitors entering from outside the U.S. and slipping past quarantine, which somebody said was racist, and the disease would have already gone the way of smallpox. Coronavirus is only going to be around as long as certain people keep actively trying to block preventives, cures, and vaccines from being used..........
HCQ has side effects of its own.
Already approved for human use by the FDA. Therefore calling bullshit on this one also.
Bullshit x 3. Many areas of the U.S. have had mask mandates for weeks or months, with no measurable effect. Whereas, many areas in the U.S. (and outside it) that did NOT impose mask mandates, currently have near-zero infections.
If everyone got a vaccine it would go away.
Yup. Actually, it's not required that "everyone" get vaccinated. If enough people get vaccinated, the spread of the disease is slowed enough that it starts to die out. "Herd immunity".
If everyone took HCQ... Guess what?
I already answered that. Since you asked again, I'm going to give you the same answer. Again. If everybody in the U.S. took HCQ for a month, the virus would have nowhere to replicate, except for visitors entering from outside the U.S. and slipping past quarantine, which somebody said was racist, and the disease would have already gone the way of smallpox.
My Grandfather took it in the 1950s when he caught Malaria. My Dad took it at the same time (7 years old, if that) as a prophylactic. My Grandfather lived to be close to 90yo and my Dad is going strong.
Nothing. They are trying to kill as many of us as possible, and doing a damn good job of it. We have not fought back. Haven't even physically removed one Governor from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder. We should've done that to 40 + on 3/31.
Response: Well I guess it's Darwin In Action then -- for you not for me.
SERIOUS I'm tired of this shit.
We should all double down and go completely tribal
Republicans get HCQ+AZ+ZINC to take at 1st symptom, no masks Democrats promise to mask up and take first vaccine candidate.
Adults only, no kids. COVID doesn't hurt kids
Have them follow up and ask what they WOULD prescribe as a prophylactic. If they say nothing or don't offer an alternative to HCQ then this would be clear grounds in which to file a complaint or even sue should they contract the virus and have complications.
You could file an ethics complaint if there is evidence that the reasoning behind that refusal is faulty or ideologically based. You could also smear them publicly with total impunity as long as you stated just the facts. It sounds like from the specifics of this the mother is already taking HCQ for something else.
But you're right a lawsuit would probably be out of the question, especially if off label scripts are illegal in their state. I would want to get a documented reason from the GP either way.
Well then build a paper trail and smear them publicly if there are consequences that occur. If it came to it (God forbid), wrongful death wouldn't be out of the question even if it isn't malpractice in this case.
I understand what you are saying but you can't just roll over with this stuff because of the odds. You have to at least be willing to tug on the string and see where it leads IMO. We need more information on the "why" before we can say definitively that they are acting in good faith. Not acting in good faith = potential for liability.
Doctors (GPs and ER docs especially in my experience) have a tremendously cavalier attitude and ego that does not match their personal knowledge in many cases. Jack of all trades master of none comes to mind. So they could just be parroting what they've heard on CNN and calling it legit medical advice.
Wrongful death civil suit, not a malpractice thing per se. Would depend on the specifics by my understanding. If he is intentionally not prescribing it due to his politics and not sound science then this would be potential for liability. The part that gives it away is that the doc says "even if it wasn't illegal, I still wouldn't prescribe" and immediately followed by the barb against the President.
I'm not a legal expert and you seem pretty confident in what you are saying so I will yield to your knowledge. I just wanted to explain what I was saying completely.
Change doctors, that one will willingly kill you and is anti Trump
Luckily they are leaving the state that this doctor practices in.
PLEASE ask the doctor to prove that it's been debunked if you can, draft an email that sounds like you're completely out of the loop and just ask for the evidence of it being bad for you so that you can share it with your friends that recommend it.
See if the dumb fuck can back up the bullshit.
And then when he provides studies show that they didht give it with zinc. Or have a toxic high dose. Or that it’s been used safely for 65 years.
Every single doctor should know how safe this drug is. It’s very old, very common, and was handed out like candy to anyone visiting a country with malaria. If they don’t know this they are a shitty doctor.
They should.
But, you know, it's so "dangerous" the state of Ohio has just banned it from being prescribed.
It's so "dangerous" it's been approved for use in pregnant women for decades.
... and for 65 years here in the US (no less)
I don't know what I would do but if I were in a state that had banned it (maybe mine has) I'd demand it be given to me were I in the hospital. If they refused, I would leave and if they tried to stop me, I would film them as they refused to let me leave, and call my lawyer, citing their efforts to kill me because their political bias has not obstructed their ability to objectively do their job. I'd sue the doctors, and the hospital for malpractice. It would be fucking glorious.
You would be labeled dangerous and put on a psych hold until your insurance ran out.
Right to try law
That'll be a blow to the poor bastards with lupus who have been taking it for years.
Politicians have been breaking the medical system in the country since the mid-20th century.
NJ banned it MONTHS AGO
The governor, Murphy is a freaking fascist. Former Goldman Sachs guy, made his billions there. We know who his master is. He literally bought the election.
Those motherfuckers! Mike Dewine is a tool!
*cuck
this. it's first year med school shit. this doctor is a fraud.
Lol. Doctor? Sounds like a drug dealer working for the cartels.
I see you understand how Big Pharma works on a practical level.
This.
Personal experience here of numerous WESTPAC/Indian Ocean/Africa/Middle East deployments btwn 1975 and 2000. For prophylaxis against malaria. Still alive and well.
I'll forward you my brother's thoughts on it -- he falls somewhere in between where we do, and where the anti-HCQ'ers fall, and he's a doctor in NYC. He's not a virologist or anything, but he was assigned to a major hospital for the first few (really bad) months of the virus in NYC and was treating covid patients. He noted that, at first, the hospital gave HCQ to every patient. They no longer do. He said he didn't see any definitive evidence that it was working, but he also acknowledges it is an incredible safe drug. He said the main reason he understands why it isn't being used, and more research needed, is because it does genuinely pose a very small risk to certain patients, typically those with heart problems. The issue then becomes, even though the risk is very small, in a disease that has a ~99.76% survival rate, the drug may be just as likely to kill someone (the risk just needs to surpass .26%) as the virus itself is. He isn' anti HCQ, he was just explaining to me the rationale. He also wrote me an RX for it just in case before they started banning it and everything, so he's definitely not against it, but does understand the caution
His hospital was using the combo (HCQ + Zinc + Azythromycin [sp?]) -- not sure about any other hospitals there, though
edit - actually, I do know at least one other hospital, Long Island Jewish Medical Center, was using the same combo (he used to work at this one -- wasn't during the pandemic, but still has a ton of friends and colleagues there who he speaks to regularly
Works best if given early and it is the Azythromycin that causes heart issues, other antibiotics can be used. That said HCQ kills or makes very sick people with the fauvism gene and we have to be aware of that. There is no silver bullet.
My sisters in law who are nurses like the steroids to calm the immune system for severe cases. The Hispanic guy who is doing my concrete says it has ripped through the Hispanic community and he knows tons of people who had it and none got very sick. The stats here support what he said. If we can figure out why some people get more sick it would be good.
Of course, but there is data suggesting (in rare instances) severe risks, including death, with HCQ used alone, as well as with Azythromycin or other antibiotics. The risk is very low, and I'm not arguing/and agree that HCQ is very safe; but the point is, if it even poses a 1% or less risk, then it's reasonable to at least point out that the risks of using the HCQ combo could be just as fatal as the virus itself without definitive proof of its efficacy. If 99.26% survive covid, and say, 99.1% survive, with no severe adverse effects from the HCQ combo, it's at least understandable why many doctors and professionals would want more research or conclusive evidence as to its efficacy in treating covid.
But I do agree -- there is an active smear campaign against a very safe drug that demands scrutiny, and enough research to suggest it delivers beneficial outcomes for a statistically significant # of patients when administered at the right time/right stage of covid progression; was simply just explaining the reasoning behind it as my brother explained it (who's very rational, a conservative, doesn't trust Fauci, hates the politicization of this, and was one of the nyc doctors using the HCQ combo in hospital patients, so I do at least account for his input and trust his judgement based on how neutral and objective he is)
Or that the studies he furnishes were retracted, because they were bogus, not science, and unethical. Including giving a LETHAL dose, as in the Brazil study. And before that hospitalizations and deaths in Brazil had been reduced 95% by following Dr Zelenko's protocol, without him even being involved in any way.
It's outrageous for any Doctor to pretend that it was somehow DJT "giving medical advice," when it is Governors that have prevented Doctors from treating their patients, resulting in 135,000+ preventable deaths.
All that said, I don't think Drs should be penalized for NOT prescribing anything they think is a bad idea. I think Drs and patients have a sacred relationship that Governors should not interfere with, and pharmacists should be able to fill prescriptions Drs write. I do place the blame squarely on the shoulders of Governors, because the Governor of SD proves that 1 Governor can stand up to the bureaucracy and WIN.
Yeah that bit pissed me off and made it clear he's just a delusional anti-trump fucktard, Trump NEVER gave medical advice, he commented on a drug that he heard was effective and then went on to take that drug himself as per his own doctors advice. This shit is infuriating.
Justification for war!
He literally said it was a drug that showed promise. Calling that "medical advise" alone should get his license revoked
Next time Trump says a rocket ship shows promise, I'll jump on CNN to declare how his astrophysics advice should not be used by the plebeian masses.
Can you share a link to the Brazil study you're talking about?
Dr. Risch mentions two pro-HCQ studies from Brazil in his letter: https://archive.is/H2Wuz
Cool! I'm going to guess that those studies are before the fatal one that got Brazil to stop using HCQ, but no I don't have a link to that study.
Any time someone claims it’s ‘debunked’ for prophylactic use, they then furnish studies which:
Didn’t combine it with zinc, or
Gave it only to patients already on death’s door, or
Overdosed the patents, or
Gave it to patents with cardiovascular issues (which is a well-documented no-no)
Or some combination of the above. And though some magical logical leap this supposedly disproves usefulness as a prophylaxis?
Maybe these people have good intentions and are not frauds, but they are presenting information the same way a fraud does.
Saying strongly debunked is also a red flag. If something is proven false it doesn't need to be strongly proven false
Strongly debunked implies that there are several high-quality studies proving it to be false, and no studies proving it to be true. That is certainly not the case with hydroxychloroquine.
bUt DrUmPf SaId To iNjEcT fIsH tAnK cLeAnEreeEeeee!!!11!!1!
Or given too late!
This is a critical point. No doctor would claim that Tamiflu doesn't work for the flu, but Tamiflu is useless if not given early as are most antivirals, including Remdesivir. It's a double standard. I haven't seen any study which prescribed HCQ early and had a negative outcome.
Comprehensive paper documenting HCQ and the ongoing political/media suppression. Spread it before google & big tech scrub it completely from the internet. white paper on hydroxychloroquine
Archive it / mirror it!
Done and did!
We have the best people! Thank you
On March 1, 2020, Gilead (the remdesivir company working to get HCQ banned) CFO Robin Washington left to work on the board at Alphabet/Google/YouTube.1
GoogleDocs has been committing fuckery against HCQ papers: https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1288694517848211457
After reading that, the only one that was really questioning the efficacy of HCQ, and doing it very publicly was Fauci. If anyone is to be held responsible at this point, it needs to be him!
Saved. Thanks pede. This needs a post of its own and insta sticky
Saved! May the truth never be purged completely!
he'll google "drumpf got debunked on hydrochloroquine" and link some cnn article from february
Salon.com
"Trump is wrong about hydroxy chloroquine and it will kill you. Don't ever take it. Forget you ever heard the name and call the police if you hear someone mention it then stick your fingers in your ears till the cops get there because it's dangerous to even heard the name uttered.
Dr. Shitbag Assface has proven evidence (I can't show you the evidence but trust us, it exists) of the words hydroxy and chloro and quine, when spoken together form a high frequency that will give you numerological damage. Even reading about it can cause serious damage. If you see any article that say anything remotely positive about it you should close your eyes immediately."
You think salon is hiring I bet I just wrote their next article.
Then call him on his shit when whatever study he cites invariably either used the bogus surgisphere dataset or didn’t include zinc with the HCQ dose. HCQ doesn’t help against the virus without the zinc.
Not quite true: HCQ paired with azithromycin is proven anti-viral against CCPvirus. At least one Dr used doxycycline instead of Az due to less or no risk of heart arrhythmia with doxy. Add zinc to that pair and hospitalizations and deaths are again cut in half.
It's the combination of all three that is Dr Zelenko's protocol, i.e. Trump pills. Anyway all the studies that try to show HCQ "doesn't work" don't follow Dr Z's protocol.
Yes, the HCQ + zinc + AZT protocol came from Dr. Zelenko (the Zelenko protocol). The frontline doctors even sent a video to Zelenko to thank him and tell him that they all stand on his shoulders. https://mobile.twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1288344757018624000 He believes that zinc stops viral replication. HCQ is used as a zinc ionophore (it helps transport zinc into cells). AZT or doxycycline are the antibiotics used to get rid of any lung coinfections that happen from lung damage caused by the virus.
In my state also, doctors were banned from prescribing HCQ. Even now doctors fear losing their licenses. Some pharmacists will refuse to fill prescriptions for it and try to get the doctors in trouble. As a Plan B for where HCQ is not available, Dr. Zelenko suggests quercetin in place of HCQ, because quercetin, like HCQ, is also a zinc ionophore, but quercetin is available over the counter as a supplement. https://mobile.twitter.com/YKnot74/status/1284917967654801408 My family has been taking quercetin +zinc + vit C as prophylaxis. (Add in vit D for older people.) If symptoms of virus are present, a doctor can also prescribe an antibiotic (azithromycin or doxycycline). Legally I can't give medical advice; I can only give background info and tell you to listen to a doctor you trust.
Honestly Vit-D for all.. especially if one uses a lot of sunscreen. I have a friend only 32 and was very low on Vit-D. So many people I know are.
There's some truth to that and I'm not much older than your friend. My doctor recommended a Vitamin D test and I was incredibly low. I work inside but I'm outside often. Shorts and short sleeves most of the time and I don't wear sunscreen much. It's very clear if someone were to see how much darker my arms and legs are that I get sunlight. Yet still I was super low.
All good info! Something else that works as a zinc ionophore is green tea extract. Although I would think quercetin is better because it does all sorts of good things for our immune system even without zinc.
If any of this were about concern for public health we would've heard about how to boost our immune system immediately. Staying inside is the WORST thing for it! Exercise helps. Echinacea helps. Lots of antioxidants help, as does NAC. All this stuff is cheap (well some antioxidants can be very expensive, but others are cheap. One klwi has a TON of vitamin C, that is very bioavailable)
I agree, it was ridiculous that there was no info put out about prophylaxis or even general immune support. These things are so cheap and widely available. But with all the outrage about HCQ, you can imagine the rage if there was anything with the same function that is even cheaper and more available.
Didier Raoult was prescribing it first though right?
Thanks for the good info.
Do you have a link for the doxycycline use?
I saw this article about doxycycline back in April, but I know there are many others https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/long-island-doctor-tries-new-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients/
“Oh, haven’t you been following the news? The President (and his team of expert medical advisers) were recently proven right on HCQ/Zinc/Z-pack, and the Lancelet study was withdrawn from peer review for inaccuracy. As a doctor you should really know better than to take medical advice from late-night comedy shows. Let me know when I will be able to pick up my prescription. Thanks!”
Ask the doctor why he/she made their answer political. Since they made it political, ask why the drug has been banned to prescribe by the state.
Next, ask the 'doctor' how much federal aid the state receives for "covid positive" cases. Then ask them how much federal/state money their practice receives from diagnosing "covid" cases.
Finally, ask the doctor how much money their practice receives from pharmaceutical companies pushing ""treatments"".
Honest physicians seem to be the rarity these days. When politics becomes involved you can safely bet there's a scam being perpetuated and tax money is being grafted.
When they leave the state, doxx him and post this again with his name uncovered so people can see what a giant douche he is and avoid him. The first four sentences would have been enough - it is not his medical opinion to take it, and it is against the law. Fair enough. It's the rest of the message that is uncalled for
It's the rest of his message that reveals his bias, putting his recommendation as an objective physician into question.
Once the Kodak plant starts pumping out HCQ and the truth starts to bubble up to the surface, there should be he'll to pay for doctors putting politics above people's lives.
Like others have said here demand they support evidence to support what they say.
This. I wouldn't trust this doctor in any way; he's clearly willing to throw you and your family under the bus for his political goals and violating his oath.
He may be sincere. Sincerely misinformed, but sincere. I wouldn't trust him, but it doesn't mean he's deliberately evil. He might be.
Ignorance is not an excuse here. Medical doctors go through years of rigorous training and study to ensure they don't unintentionally harm or kill someone via diagnosis and treatment. They also get paid a premium as compensation for the responsibility they are expected to carry.
So when a doctor doesn't do his own due diligence and instead relies on fake news soundbites to make a medical decision, he deserves to be ridiculed into obscurity.
They are fools but almost all doctors are like this. Apathetic and disinterested. It’s just a job for them. They aren’t going to put in any extra effort to keep up with any medical news, and they certainly aren’t going to be bothered to read medical journals. They will turn on Stephen Colbert when they’re in bed and get all their news that way, then go to work the next day and phone it in like they always do. They probably spend more time thinking about what top the cute secretary is going to wear the next day than anything to do with actually healing anyone. These people are as pathetic and selfish and LAZY as teachers. They are way overpaid and it makes them like this. They get smug and entitled with a superiority complex that gradually turns them into moronic assholes.
Which is all the more important to make sure the doctors are kept up to date with their continuing education and with the news relevant to their practice. If they won't do it out of free will, then maybe threaten their licensing to make them comply.
Nope... leftist don't have good morals. That's the problem
1000% he and his practice will benefit financially from more ""cases"" and being able to legally 'prescribe' the ""correct"" medications ... from a pharmaceutical company that certain politicians sit on the board of no doubt.
When it turns political you can be assured there's some kind of monetary ) tax graft scam in play.
Why do you assume the doctor is male?
I'm not. In English when referring to a person of unknown sex, one uses the pronoun 'he'. Why do you assume I'm a pronoun nazi? :D
Really........If I hear this "he or she" nonsense again...........
Best answer EVAR! Lol
I'm really glad I already finished my drink ;)
Is this relevant?
It would be relevant as an indication that Trump supporters exist across the spectrum of American society. And some people might think that we hate trans people, but I think it's more accurate to say most of us don't care what people do with their own bodies. We just don't want their set of beliefs shoved down our throats.
100% on the money! Leftists will happily pretend to care about me and my problems... until I make it clear that they aren't going to get my vote. Then it's off to the gulag! Would always prefer someone who sincerely disapproves of my lifestyle but is willing to live and let live.
Wow, this is refreshing.
True! As long as you're not trying to brainwash kids with "drag queen story time hour," I think those that are truly trans deserve dignity and respect. Just like anyone else. Any adult trying to talk about their own sexuality with children is ABUSE. May the be confined to the lower pits of hell, and sent there pronto.
Marxists are our enemy, and at their head are pedos. Give no quarter! (Draw and quarter though)
Couldn't agree more! I get uncomfortable at the idea of even walking around in the park if there are kids playing there. I'm not ashamed of who I am, but kids don't have the mental or emotional maturity to understand yet. Can't imagine what is going through the mind of a trans person who goes to a preschool or something. Super creepy.
I would like to see you comfortable enough in your own skin that you can function and do what you want without shame, discomfort, or fear. Thank you for having a conscience and caring about how you effect others! I can't begin to fathom what these issues must be like, but I'm sure it doesn't make life easier.
Just walking on your way probably won't impact kids in any real way; they're very good at moving on. Other people making a scene could draw their attention, and then it becomes an issue. Hopefully we're past that as a society.
Planned parenthood sends people who are straight and CIS gendered to elementary schools to discuss sex with kids of all ages. This is a FAR bigger problem than most other things on the subject ...
Here we have a big tent :)
It is not really possible to ask society to both “respect trans” and “not teach it to kids”. Once you concede that trans must be respected, there are no grounds on which to argue it cannot also be taught to children as a legitimate expression of gender identity. The only argument to protect children from trans propaganda is to take the position that cutting off your genitals is a symptom of a mental illness called body or gender dysmorphic disorder. And mental disorders may be sympathized with, but they cannot be respected. Nobody is arguing (yet) that we must “respect schizophrenia”.
Not trying to be an ass but this is a logical trap that we walk into when we fall for the “respect trans” angle. We have to look at it like other dysmorphic disorders, such as anorexia. There is now a movement to “respect anorexia” and “who is to say that this skeletal 75-pound body is unhealthy”, and if that ever becomes mainstream, they will be teaching anorexia to kids in schools as a valid dietary choice.
I don't think you're being an ass, but respectfully I do think you are mistaken. "Respect" is sort of a complex idea. You can "respect" a gun or alcohol or a bear, but that doesn't make it something you'd want your children playing around, right? I don't think I'm as dangerous as those things, but maybe it's the same idea here.
It's perfectly reasonable to teach your children that people like me exist and that I should be treated with the same dignity as anyone else, but also that it is not a healthy lifestyle and results in suffering. Isn't that the truth?
"Once you concede that trans must be respected, there are no grounds on which to argue it cannot also be taught to children as a legitimate expression of gender identity"
Bullshit, and I already spelled it out. Any adult other than their parent sharing their own sexuality or trying to talk about sex with a minor child is being abusive, should be reserved to the lowest level of hell, and sent there post haste.
The whole notion of "sex ed" is bogus. The time it takes to explain the mechanics of how to avoid unwanted pregnancy is trivial. Nobody knows better than a parent when a child is ready and in need of learning this. Some parents do teach their own children about this "legitimate expression of gender identity" bs, most often leading to more problems for their child down the road. Any decent Dr will tell you that if you simply reaffirm their biological sex a few times, most kids will grow out of that phase and move on. Don't make a big deal out of it. 6 months later and they're still experimenting? Well, maybe they're a rare case of chromosomes not being simple XX or XY or something else biological going on.
Schools aren't capable of dealing with any of that. It's perfectly possible to make the topic off limits to schools, and to respect those rare individuals that aren't simple XX or XY, I'm not sure how a change like this gets implemented while we allow Marxists to live.
Also too, lots of trans people never undergo surgery. Most M to F don't chop off their junk, even if they get breast implants and hormone treatment. While the topic is more complex than that, people joining the military or getting sent to prison just to have this surgery paid for should NOT be an option.
It's like a bumper sticker that username is.
To be fair, I think "The New Pope" would also be a good bumper sticker ^_^b.
It was also a great TV series ,that l thought no way would l get into it but it was probably now one of my favorites.
That sounds good...
My name? Not so much...
Maybe if your car exhaust was really bad. :-)
You're god damn right it is.
What does it mean to be a conservative who isn't trying to conserve his own culture or traditions?
Well, after all of the trans activists in recent years trying to destroy American culture, I understand why you're suspicious of me. But I don't approve of any of that - I think people have gone way too far. Would you be willing to judge me as an individual, or is the fact that I'm trans all you need to know about me?
based.
yes. I think a lot of us come here to get away from that sort of weird stuff.
Yep!
Are you really an anaconda?
He is really a troll.
Since it's Anaconda asking I'm going to go out on a limb (don't worry, I'm not going far) to say that Anaconda and "Transgirl" are samefagging, and samefagging hard, this is b8, and I'm also disappointed in those of you who don't realize it.
I'm curious if OP even mentioned anything about Trump in the initial request. I totally would have just replied with something like "who says I'm taking Trump's advice? I'm just listening to all these studies and articles (link articles here)" at the end i would then call out the idiot doctor playing politics with health.
From what i know this doc to give my parents shit for being Trump supporters.
Really, really time to find a new GP. He will literally give your parents worse care due to his political leanings--this email is proof of that.
Report him to the state board and get a new PCP. Seriously
Yep, what gave it away was the "debunked" line.
I've only ever heard liberals use that in an argument.
no it fucking hasn't. the ford study and the NYU study about zinc in combination with hyroxy and azithro prove as such. Also the "debunked" claim is a VA study reference that wasn't even a VA study. It was partially funded by Gilead, a major competitor to hydroxy, the study did not list a SINGLE dosage, it excluded Zinc, and it was only administered to the exceptionally sick with other co-morbidities including AIDS and Cancer. https://nationalfile.com/busted-media-uses-va-study-to-launch-easily-debunked-attack-on-hydroxychloroquine/
We need to coordinate better, specifically with those front line docs that got censored. All these Americans didn't have to die.
So insane that certain people that stand to be financially enriched, would allow thousands of others to die, just to make a quick buck.
This isn’t new at all.
I guess we knew that but didn't want to believe.
The part that was new was the proof that the majority of doctors are in on the scam, and knowingly went along with it to “get Drumpf”. They will withhold cures, falsify numbers, publish fake studies - anything they want just to satisfy their egos. It’s actually very similar to how many other corruptions have been revealed by Trump, like the corruption in the FBI, at the WHO, amongst police chiefs, even in the military.
Millions world wide
..Millitary Industrial Complex...?
135,000 + preventable deaths, on the hands of 40 + Governors.
We need an FAQ style resource organize by issues. Kayleigh style, you feel? So every issue that Libs bring up has a living and running resources for all of us to provide a counter attack point to. It's the only way to win. Attack back. If we don't, we loose. Look up the research on political science and you'll find out why the science backs up Trump's quick to attack back approach.
Don't forget the mention the lancet study that was used to attack Hydroxychloroquine. That study was subsequently retracted for a number of reasons including the fact that they would not share the data for peer review and also because the data set itself was highly questionable. The docs who authored it are under an ethics investigation and also have ties to Gilead. Don't take my word for it, take the NYT's own words
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/health/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine.html
Thank you for the link pede, have an upvote.
I'm going to try to red-pill a few liberals using their own newspaper of choice with that link.
Yeah it's gross reading their propaganda rag but it's great to use their own weapons against them
Archive since NY Times will probably bury that or change it eventually.
https://archive.is/M98Ca
The data wasn't "highly questionable", they literally just made it up.
And keep in mind what a big deal it is for those two journals to have to retract a paper. Of course (of fucking course) you won't hear about that angle from the news, but this is a huge scandal.
Don't forget the big one:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/lancet-retracts-large-study-hydroxychloroquine-n1225091
Those are the most common, debunked and withdrawn.
Send him the Ford study and tell him to fuck off.
C19study.com blasting it everywhere.
yoo that site is legit!!!
What's surprising is that I sent that to someone on facebook and it wasn't blocked!
Yet
I think a better strategy is to draw him in to convo if at all possible. He may be legitimately misinformed. Remember, Drs are primary sold on what Rx to prescribe by big pharma.
I've seen more than 1 Dr here change their mind based on getting better info. "Integrity" is the word for that.
Thank you dog food man
Doctor I’m related to blabs about being on some medical group with 60k doctors that have open discussions. I wonder who is moderating it...
Sounds like a perfect spot to slip in redpills!
I wish I knew of it. That side is liberal and already fell for the Daily Beast's trap attacking Immanuel for her demon statements even though they are Christian. Tried to rebuttal but was given a study in response that did not use Zinc so it was basically useless. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1?fbclid=IwAR1vup3sc8_1uoFOPbBcGV5yPvgx9Kog04Gn3zJxytMlu26DgHuIKmPHL5s
Point out that flaw in the study. Also, Dr Zelenko's protocol that works is HCQ + zinc + azithromycin. Although it this point dropping Dr Z's name is probably like Dr I's demon statements.
Brazil study gave LETHAL doses!
VA study gave TOXIC doses!
Lots of links to great research on this site ...
Yup- I did. VA study was late term application as well. People basically on their deathbed.
Good man. There was also a huge difference between those who got HCQ and those who didn't; those who got HCQ were MUCH sicker,. Nothing about that was science, and it certainly wasn't medical care.
Also those that did get HCQ, none of them got it in combination with both zinc and azithromycin, and none of them got any of it in doses that've been shown to work. Those that did get a combination, there was no consistency to it.
The whole thing was merely an attempt to manipulate public opinion. No MD should ever fall for such a ruse.
the "president" remark at the end tells me this jackass will never change his mind, because orange man bad.
That is one possibility, and it can't be ruled out. However, and especially with a Dr., you have to realize how much info they're flooded with and where it comes from. He's been deluged with people telling him POTUS pushes HCQ, maybe has financial interest in it, isn't a Dr., and it doesn't work.
Such a person might be redpilled, in the right situation. Drs learning the truth about all this is extremely important! They're mostly exposed to big pharma pill pushers.
It clearly works we just need to fight back harder. What that means i don't know though. My mom takes Hydroxichloroquine for another disease but her doctor who used to prescribe 3 months at a time is more only allowing weekly scripts.
In WI Drs can't prescribe it for ANY reason, including lupus patients who have been on it for decades. In some cases that's fatal.
"Fighting back harder" should have meant physically removing our Governors from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder, over this very issue. Now they have killed 135,000 + people that could have lived with early treatment following Dr Z's protocol. I pointed that out here full time beginning 3/31, and we have yet to fight back. About anything. Plannedriots make that a costlier move, but it still might be our best move. Waiting until after fraudulent election results are announced only weakens our position, substantially.
We may accelerate that by showing as many D voters as possible the truth about Portland and all the other violence occurring where there is NO rule of law (WROL)
Parts of our Country look like Somalia.
Weekly scripts? That's outrageous!
Any notice that death rate in India where they not only make the most of the world's supply but gobble it like candy because it's a shithole?
It's not because it's a shithole it's because they have a lot of mosquitoes and get malaria. But yes it's also a shithole
Death rate I don't know, but when it was studied those on HCQ long term only 20 have caught CCPvirus, worldwide. Seems effective
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/3/peer-reviewed-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-effec/
https://qcostarica.com/hydroxychloroquine-the-drug-costa-rica-uses-successfully-to-fight-covid-19/
https://www.foxnews.com/world/do-countries-with-high-rates-of-malaria-have-fewer-coronavirus-deaths
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2020/03/26/Bahrain-one-of-the-first-countries-to-use-Hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus
https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sabotage-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-doctors-worldwide-protest-disaster/5717382
https://techstartups.com/2020/07/23/countries-using-hydroxychloroquine-low-coronavirus-fatality-rate-compared-countries-dont-association-american-physicians-surgeons-says/
Seriously any effort sees a ton of data and evidence. Where is the evidence against it and why?
No real evidence. Just attempts to manipulate public opinion
Good point. I am waiting for real evidence to prove it's "fake science" or doesn't work. Any evidence to prove the billion dollar research is better.
The left was never the party of science and they're even less now. The doctors read an article or posting and just agree with it. In person I have asked doctors general questions they should know and they fail at it.
You'll be waiting forever because there is no such evidence and ALL the evidence is to the contrary. Screen out for risk of heart arrhythmia so there is real reason to develop ONE alternative treatment that has no such risk. After that very few will die if treated early, as you seem to be well aware!
I wish masks were so cut and dried. I've seen research all over the map on this. Lots of it in favor of masks is easily dismissed, but some of it I can't debunk. It's not repeatable though, and science is repeatable. The best I can determine about masks is it reduces the amount of "stuff" an infectious person spreads from enough to get you sick, to still enough to get you sick.
With HCQ readily available masks are irrelevant.
Why isn't this being shown to the world by the President and his team?
It should be front and center.
The same Europe that is opening schools while we're frantically trying to figure out how to do it without killing millions of teachers? /s
Maybe in this instance we should be more like other countries like the left always tells us to be.
It's used as a prophylactic everytime you visit a malaria infested country. For 60 years now.
And for lupus. And for rheumatoid arthritis. John Hopkins declared it safe for long term use at 400 mg per day many years ago. 400 mg per day for 5 days is all we need, in combination with zinc and az.
In WI you can;t get HCQ for ANY reason, if you've been on it for decades for lupus. That can be fatal for some people. This is NOT about concern for public health.
Ill have no problem once they leave the state.
Who cares? The doctor can’t out them...that’d be a HIPPA violation.
If he's willing to deny them potentially life saving treatments, I doubt he gives a fuck about HIPPA.
You don’t fuck around with HIPPA. Easy lawsuits to win and thrown out of the medical world. If the doctor wants to destroy their career, I guess they could out them.
THIS. HIPPA is serious business
Well, orange man bad, so...
No, doctors don’t fuck with HIPPA. Ever.
Wait! It is 40+ Governors that have issued the royal decree that no Dr shall prescribe HCQ, and no pharmacist shall fill any prescriptiion for HCQ, upon pain of losing their license. These 40 + Governors are guilty of murdering 135,000 + people.
So let him. His parents might get nasty emails, the doctor will lose his license. I'd call it a fair trade.
HIPAA*
Not the names of the victims, silly, the name of the Doctor. You could help save lives by exposing this potential murderer.
The note says it's "strongly debunked", but is it? Or is he just using talking points from legacy media that does anything to trash the president, including NOT believing studies and other doctors that are FOR using the drug?
It's unreal.
Saw this in the comment section of an HCQ video and saved it for future reference. Apparently, it's a video conferencing website staffed by actual doctors who will not only prescribe HCQ, but have it delivered to you. Don't know anything about it, and am not making any medical recommendations. Just passing it along in case it might be useful to you. https://speakwithanmd.com/
Commenting to save just in case
I paid them money. They would not let me have it. I'm in WI.
It's not the State. The Governor blames it on medical boards, but SD proves that the Governor can stand up to the bureaucracy and win. My Governor is a coward, liar, and mass murderer. This is true of 40 + Governors.
I'll have to check this out. Thanks!
Still sounds like a no go in California and states where it's banned. It might work for areas where the doctors are unwilling to do it, but the governor hasn't stopped it.
A drug that’s safer than Tylenol... might hurt you
I remember Dr. Oz months ago saying we have 300K lupus patients in the US taking HCQ and he was trying to find out if any of them had contracted covid 19. Then he was silenced and moved on to telling everyone to wear masks....
Fucking Dr Oz, scam artist. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain
"In a normal world" we wouldn't even need this site.
I've been trying to get through my idiot friend's heads that at least HCQ should be being studied frantically as one of many desperate attempts to wipe out this awful, terrible, once in a billion years disease that has killed almost a percent of a percent of a percent of the planet.
The way HCQ is dismissed so rapidly and the way rioting is endrosed proves no one is actually scared of the virus and are at best posers virtue signalling and enjoying working in their underwear.
Democrats big pharma etc have successfully murdered over 100k Americans because of their bullshit against hydroxichloroquine
135,000 +. Do the math. At least 95% reduction in hospitalizations and deaths when following Dr Z's protocol. (97.4% from his patients, actually.)
I disagree. Studying, no matter how frantically, is unethical if it means a single sick person is denied medicine. Even King George never engaged in that level of tyranny! All this talk of "double blind studies" was COMPLETELY unethical!
Medicate. Early and aggressively. Don't wait for test results, medicate upon Dr diagnosis which has always been more accurate than any test result, from the beginning.
Here's what matters:
don't die
don't need a ventilator
don't get so sick you could be admitted to a hospital for CCPvirus. This is perfectly consistent with the original goal of "15 days to flatten the curve."
Any "study" needs to be observing people on Dr Zelenko's protocol, proven to reduce hospitalizations and deaths by at least 95%. This is the most important issue right now, still. I can't believe anybody swallowed this bs after plannedriots.
Scary plague of death could've been stopped dead in it's tracks by April 1. Masks should be irrelevant.
Yet there was a placebo-controlled study of Remdesvir, so ethics don't seem to matter if the treatment makes $3000 per patient for the drug company.
Sure I'm with you. But if retards are going to say "no it's proven not to work" then at least we can push back with "that is not proven at all and if people wanted a solution, they would have tried (or be actively trying) it en masse, across several states and with speed".
There is literally no counter-argument to "it has not remotely been given a chance".
The link within the article to the actual study is broken ☹
There is no way his opinion of this is political. The hate they have for our President is unfathomable.
Tell the doc it is for malaria prevention. Problem solved.
In WI you can't get HCQ fior ANY reason, including lupus if it's necessary to stay alive.
Wtaf? Seriously...that is messed up. All because orange man bad.
This right here ...
Honestly it's been long enough that at this point if your doctor isn't recommending it for covid I'd get a new doctor. Yes I realize that excludes most doctors, but do you really want a doctor who's below average? I don't.
Specify HCQ. It has 5x less side effects.
tons of doctors out there are just pill pushers who don't actually know fuck all aside from what pharma companies advertise to them. source: my grandfather who got rich selling drugs to doctors
I'm a pill seeker non-patient when it comes to HCQ. We should have well over a billion at this point. 15 is a full course of treatment. That will last 2 months of preventative use. Even if you catch it on a preventative dose, it's not likely to advance quickly so you have more time to get the rest of the meds (zinc is available OTC, and azithromycin is widely available)
Talking with pharma reps who don’t mind being honest is a big red pill.
You need to move your parents out of California. There are plenty of nice red states with wonderfully relaxing retirement locations that they can enjoy.
They're moving soon, already in the works
Where they headed? Everywhere is getting filled with Californians.
Just make sure they vote red in their new state. Most blue states are beyond saving, which makes it even more important that red states don’t flip to the dark side.
Their Doctor- Please don’t take medical ADVICE from the President.
Also their doctor- I abide the medical MANDATES of Gavin Newsome.
He'd probably lose his license for doing or saying anything different. The culpability is on the Governor! 40 + Governors are responsible for 135,000 + preventable deaths.
Your doctor is not a real doctor. REAL DOCTORS follow the latest evidence and can also read a paper and determine if it has value rather than just reading the abstract and conclusion.
AS A REAL DOCTOR: I can unequivocally tell you that the studies "debunking" plaquenil are total trash, that do not control for confounding variables, meanwhile legitimate science such as this study by Henry Ford hospital keep proving again and again that plaquenil is efficacious https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Off label use is a thing
Then he could answer that he just advises against the use of the drug from what he has seen. He just broke out into an NPC and went "orange man bad" to someone asking for his help.
true dat
I think this is less common than it used to be. No shame in a doc responding to an email with direct evidence for a lawsuit with this line about how it is illegal.
The 'debunked' line sounds like they do not know what they are talking about and just listen to authorities.
It's more than that. 40+ Governors have issued the royal decree that HCQ can't be either prescribed by a Dr or an Rx for it filled by a pharmacist, upon pain of losing their license.
Guess who owns big pharma, MSM, the Fed, and wields undue influence over academia via the CFR? Better yet, look them up. THEY are our enemy! The horde in the street is just a distraction; they have no idea what agenda they're advancing.
Also, SD proves that the Governor can stand up against all the bureaucracy and WIN.
Interesting read. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Trump tweeted this link. Would Twitter delete it as "bad science"?
....
Will he mail me a box or 3? Serious question. My work places me at risk, and I'm in high risk groups.
probably not legal
That's the way it is for most of us in the Country. It's not legal to live. It's not legal to kill. This is how a society gets to the point that law just doesn't matter anymore.
true facts fren true facts
Please don’t take medical advice from CNN (it has been strongly debunked).
That's not how it works. Governors have culpability though!
There are other boards that cost an MD their license for doing or saying anything other than what that Dr did. South Dakota proves one Governor can win against all that bureaucracy, which is why it's the Governors that are mass murderers. 135,000 +
In WI you can not get it for ANY reason, even if you have lupus and need it to live.
I never understood doctor worship myself. Most of the time their occupation is just trial and error until they finally identify what’s wrong with you. I’ve witnessed doctors literally googling my symptoms, something I could have done at home for fucking free.
The medical field is just like IT for the human body, some techs are better than others, and you know what the system looks like when it’s working, and when it’s broken by your most commonly encountered issues.
Same here. I also have been assigned to clinics and they don't even have doctors. They just use their licenses to extend and grant powers to physicians assistants who know nothing and leave the room every time they need to search something.
I won't disparage doctors in general. But objectively, I would agree that the doctor profession (especially GPs) relies on consensus and sometimes this consensus traps them from thinking out of the box ( with the exception of medical researchers). They also stick to majority consensus to avoid getting sued. I guess that make sense, you don't want your doctor experimenting on you as a guinea pig.
This is why getting 2nd opinion is important.
I’m not disparaging them per se. Just that they’re not heroes, they’re people, that (often) make mistakes.
Sorry, i was not talking about you. I was saying what I was about to say in my post is not meant to disparage doctors.
Medical science has never done me any good. They have never diagnosed a single problem, let alone found anything to help. I'm 55. Medical science said I'd be dead before I was 16. I don't listen to Drs!
I have managed to never punch one out though.
They’re good at getting people addicted to opiates, you gotta give them that.
I've known several people like that. Really sad ...
Darwin is politically fed. The stupid will die and the strong will live.
I see no problem. Apart from getting a new doctor who won't be dead in a year.
Medicine is designed to help the weak live when they would otherwise die.
And pandemics prey on those who avoid medicine (particularly those who have been brainwashed against whatever the President recommends). Weeds out the stupid. Too.
Ya know this could solve a lot of problems if President Trump said breathing was good for you.
CNN would end up wiping themselves out by asphyxiation in hours. All of their viewers too. Think of the additional real-estate and job opportunities that would be available.
man i hate this state. I can't believe this person is a doctor.
Did your parent even mention President Trump at all?
Tell them to file an ethics complaint.
It's the Governor's culpability, not the Dr. the Dr would probably jeopardize his license for doing or even saying anything different.
What about these studies?
c19study.com
Can you mail me a box or 3? Seriously. My work places me at risk and I'm in high risk groups.
It hasn't been debunked at all. The study "showing it killed people" has been unequivocally retracted.
This doctor gives worse medical advice than the president (and by the way many doctors agree with this advice)
Doctors with TDS have let their hatred get in the way of being reasonable.
I know some doctors and they get on conference calls with other "more respected" doctors to get updates on things. I think that many of them are being fed lies by the people up the chain who are probably making money from big Pharma.
Its a good reminder that while doctors are useful - you have to be your own health advocate. Ask questions, get their input, do research, and then make a good decision
"i prefer that you die so the covid death ticker can go up by 1 which is more valuable to me than your life that you will lose" - lib doctor
yikes. libs are total filth.
This is not on the Drs, but the Governors.
How do we return from doctors willingly letting their patients die to make Trump look bad? At what point do these people wake up
They don't. The question is when do we kill all Marxists in the US, in one night.
For fuck sake. Don't blot out the name of the doctor. This isn't reddit.
It's not doxing, retard.
Debunked by who? Vox? The Daily Beast? Fuck these retards.
Right. He is mis-informed. Don't bother reading any of the peer-reviewed studies or anything. The fact that he mentioned the President signals that he suffers from TDS.
Just remember things like this when they talk about "Medicare for all' and "Universal healthcare"
I live in a very red state and have heard pretty much the same response from the three doctors and two nurses I’ve asked. I have lost a lot of faith in the medical field over the last few months.
Please take your medical advice from paid television advertisement. Just ask your doctor.
Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD, Professor of Epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health is trying to speak out again this madness. Newsweek published his letter on 7/23/20.
Here are some of the most important parts:
The death spikes caused by HCQ bans can be see as clear as could be in this chart.
Your parents' doctor may not even know about the Surgisphere hoax. The gigantic barrage of fear propaganda was based upon data completely fabricated by Dr. Sapan Desai, specifically two studies that were published by The Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine. The articles were retracted 11 days later. The Editor in Chief of The Lancet admits that the study was "a monumental fraud". These retractions were of course not allowed to be properly publicized.
Please give this information to your parents and ask that they forward it to this doctor.
Your parents should reply with "Debunked by whom?"
I guess the entire country of India, the 2 most populous on earth, was totally wrong. Who knew.
Bullshit. If everybody in the U.S. took HCQ for a month, the virus would have nowhere to replicate, except for visitors entering from outside the U.S. and slipping past quarantine, which somebody said was racist, and the disease would have already gone the way of smallpox. Coronavirus is only going to be around as long as certain people keep actively trying to block preventives, cures, and vaccines from being used..........
Already approved for human use by the FDA. Therefore calling bullshit on this one also.
Bullshit x 3. Many areas of the U.S. have had mask mandates for weeks or months, with no measurable effect. Whereas, many areas in the U.S. (and outside it) that did NOT impose mask mandates, currently have near-zero infections.
Yup. Actually, it's not required that "everyone" get vaccinated. If enough people get vaccinated, the spread of the disease is slowed enough that it starts to die out. "Herd immunity".
I already answered that. Since you asked again, I'm going to give you the same answer. Again. If everybody in the U.S. took HCQ for a month, the virus would have nowhere to replicate, except for visitors entering from outside the U.S. and slipping past quarantine, which somebody said was racist, and the disease would have already gone the way of smallpox.
Smallpox. :p
Really? At what dosage level?
Dipshit much?
Hmm. Take HCQ for the rest of our lives? That's what you are pretending others are suggesting?
Yes, you are a Dipshit.
My Grandfather took it in the 1950s when he caught Malaria. My Dad took it at the same time (7 years old, if that) as a prophylactic. My Grandfather lived to be close to 90yo and my Dad is going strong.
What am I missing here?
Nothing. They are trying to kill as many of us as possible, and doing a damn good job of it. We have not fought back. Haven't even physically removed one Governor from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder. We should've done that to 40 + on 3/31.
Response: Well I guess it's Darwin In Action then -- for you not for me.
SERIOUS I'm tired of this shit. We should all double down and go completely tribal
Republicans get HCQ+AZ+ZINC to take at 1st symptom, no masks
Democrats promise to mask up and take first vaccine candidate.
Adults only, no kids. COVID doesn't hurt kids
Tally daily deaths by party.
It's a >>> ! D E A T H E R E N D U M ™ ! <<<
Have them follow up and ask what they WOULD prescribe as a prophylactic. If they say nothing or don't offer an alternative to HCQ then this would be clear grounds in which to file a complaint or even sue should they contract the virus and have complications.
You could file an ethics complaint if there is evidence that the reasoning behind that refusal is faulty or ideologically based. You could also smear them publicly with total impunity as long as you stated just the facts. It sounds like from the specifics of this the mother is already taking HCQ for something else.
But you're right a lawsuit would probably be out of the question, especially if off label scripts are illegal in their state. I would want to get a documented reason from the GP either way.
Well then build a paper trail and smear them publicly if there are consequences that occur. If it came to it (God forbid), wrongful death wouldn't be out of the question even if it isn't malpractice in this case.
I understand what you are saying but you can't just roll over with this stuff because of the odds. You have to at least be willing to tug on the string and see where it leads IMO. We need more information on the "why" before we can say definitively that they are acting in good faith. Not acting in good faith = potential for liability.
Doctors (GPs and ER docs especially in my experience) have a tremendously cavalier attitude and ego that does not match their personal knowledge in many cases. Jack of all trades master of none comes to mind. So they could just be parroting what they've heard on CNN and calling it legit medical advice.
Wrongful death civil suit, not a malpractice thing per se. Would depend on the specifics by my understanding. If he is intentionally not prescribing it due to his politics and not sound science then this would be potential for liability. The part that gives it away is that the doc says "even if it wasn't illegal, I still wouldn't prescribe" and immediately followed by the barb against the President.
I'm not a legal expert and you seem pretty confident in what you are saying so I will yield to your knowledge. I just wanted to explain what I was saying completely.
Sauce:
https://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-personal-injuries/wrongful-death-vs-medical-malpractice.html