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Independenceforever 1 point ago +9 / -8

Vaccines have never proven safe or useful for anything.

It contradicts the very idea of adaptation of species and evolution.

Madonna, as always, is a Satanist full of shit and dead men's bones and contradictions.

Face dangers head on, eat well, exercise, get fresh air - be healthy.

Vaccines may as well be a magic potion full of deadly chemicals. Total psychosomatic placebo except for the lowered IQ and weakened body and 10 pages of known side effects.

Herd immunity? You'd have to be a sheep to believe this shit.

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NoStumpyTrumpy 11 points ago +12 / -1

That's a bit far. Polio is horrid but basically wiped out thanks to the vaccine. There are definitely unnecessary vaccines out there (eg flu), but we shouldn't throw out the proven effective ones because of that.

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Southern_Belle 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yeah, polio is somewhat suspect as well.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2019/oct/23/oral-polio-vaccine-causing-paralysis-in-kids-study-2051670.html

The paper has highlighted that in last five years, globally, cases of polio caused by vaccine viruses have outnumbered those of polio caused by wild polio viruses.

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lo_there 5 points ago +6 / -1

You're a fucking moron

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spacewave 4 points ago +4 / -0

Vaccines have never proven safe or useful for anything. It contradicts the very idea of adaptation of species and evolution.

The basic theory behind vaccines makes sense given the way the immune system seems to work. Vaccines use the immune system adaptations to give your own body the key it needs to fight sickness off. It doesn't contradict the idea of adaptation: it uses that concept.

But I think that the safety of vaccines is quite unproven: the standard double blind tests that happen in medicine apparently weren't done for vaccines (see Scott Adams interview Dr Shiva on this), what tests occur for vaccines on children apparently aren't tested the way they're given: tests are done individually when vaccines in practical circumstances are administered many at once.

Additionally there's legit concerns about the various chemicals in vaccines.

Did vaccines do more good or harm? Really tough to prove. It seems that both vaccines and other things like better sanitation could have arguably contributed towards diseases being eliminated. It's not "proven" I suppose, but there seems to be a link with vaccines and increases in autism. Both sides make their case using the same data and seem to think they're right, just like climate change.

My biggest concern about vaccines isn't so much the science: I'm not enough of a doctor to have a super credible opinion on this ultra complex system. My big concern about vaccines is that there's a stigma about even asking about the safety. If Doctors have real concerns about vaccines, they should be allowed to address it without fearing for their career. People who try and make society safer should be applauded.

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Southern_Belle 1 point ago +1 / -0

My big concern about vaccines is that there's a stigma about even asking about the safety.

Censorship, using public shaming to maintain.

I had a good friend with an MD and he was strongly anti-vax.

He told me his kids would just roll their eyes and ignore him.