This is my biggest problem with EVERYONE these days.
Information literacy. Articles spewing an opinion confirming your bias, is NOT proof of anything. This goes for both sides.
Facts and data are what are important. The data shows Covid is only dangerous if you're old and near death due to health conditions, or living in a democrat run state.
Facts and data show that masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of a virus, they can minimize the spread of bacteria.
Facts and data suggest, no real proof yet (that's why we need to allow the treatment, to get more than a few hundred people as data points. A few hundred is a REALLY small sample size, but the France stuff and random doctors around the US show HUGE PROMISE) but the data/NIH study from 2005 STRONGLY suggest, that HCQ is an excellent treatment for the boomer remover. This means we should be using it, because of the promise. Hell, if people are gonna die from covid anyway... why is it an issue to give them this "OMG SO SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS MEDICINE" in an attempt to prevent death?
Facts and data: The size of the virus is the same as influenza and has similar transmission patterns. Here is a study on the effectiveness of masks published in May of 2020: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article (it says that masks have no significant effect on reducing the spread of the virus).
Exactly. I posted a while back a list of 5 studies. I had a study that basically compiled those and more to prove the point, but it was memory holed.
It's crazy. There was a covid related bill that was submitted LAST YEAR but that seems to have changed (although I was told it was common to change the purpose of a bill after submission) or disappeared
The data shows Covid is only dangerous if you're old and near death due to health conditions, or living in a democrat run state.
A friend of mine’s wife had it. She’s a nurse and was exposed at work in March. She’s in her early 40s, had no underlying health issues, and is very active. My friend made a huge deal about how dangerous it is because she still hasn’t recovered her sense of smell, barely has a sense of taste, and still has a bad cough/breathing issues.
Here’s the thing, though. She refused all treatment. She laid in bed for a month taking over-the-counter fever/cough suppressants. And after his wife did some dumb shit like that, he’s freaking out on everyone for not taking it seriously enough.
I likely had Rona in late March and am close to her age. I was exposed at work as well. Testing was very limited at that time, and some sites were only for 60 yr+ and symptomatic. People were just told to self quarantine if presumed positive. I'm glad that there are more options for treatment now. The long term coughing was the worst. I was asymptomatic by May, aside from some hair loss. I hope that she can get the HCQ or plasma if she's still in rough shape!
I can tell you this... If I happen to get the kung flu, I'm telling my doctor I want Hydroxychloroquine and zinc. If my doctor prevents me, I'm suing him. If the state pharmacy board prevents me, I'm suing them. If the federal government says no, I'm suing them. Nobody should be keeping us from getting the medication we need.
I 100% agree with you. I asked a a close friend who happens to be a doctor if he is proscribing HCQ and he said no and cited the retracted failed study that everyone does. After carefully pointing that out to him, he got uncomfortable with the conversation and basically admitted he has to do what the administration says or he is out a job.
That is because there is federal money to be had. If you already had the cure to something that was cheap and easily available, it would make more money sense to get all that guuud government money to develop something new. And that is where we are today.
Group A) face mask use alone
Group B) face mask and hand hygiene
"We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility."
This is insanity. The CDC is saying that HCQ can be safely taken to PREVENT malaria...but somehow if it's taken for COVID then it's dangerous?? Wut???
If it's safe for malaria (for decades), why not try it for COVID? This is madness. We can only hope there is some accountability after this.
And why hasn't Fauci been fired? I trust Trump's strategies, I just can't figure this one out. Maybe Trump is afraid that if he fires Fauci the Dems will then use that to blame everything on that decision? ("The spread wouldn't have been so bad if you hadn't fired Fauci -- Orange Man bad!")
I don’t understand why President Trump doesn’t tweet these things out? I mean I know they will remove it, but it would get a lot of attention beforehand right? What about discussing the facts we’ve all come to know during a press conference? I can’t help but wonder what would be more important than proving fake news and the swamp wrong and providing scared and sick people hope and their health back. I would think this would turn the tide and get us all back to work..
TL;DR - HCQ is safe for Malaria but not Covid.....how is that possible???
I first learned about HCQ when I was traveling around the Spanish speaking world. Malaria is a danger in those areas. I learned how it is taken preemptively so the virus can't take root in your system when a mosquito with Malaria bites you. Like Frontline for people. It was never described as dangerous by doctors or the CDC, still isn't. I got lucky and didn't end up passing through any Malaria danger zones and didn't need it.
A specific arthritis, rheumatoid. The problem with adopting RA or lupus to get HCQ now is that those are permanent diseases and your record for insurance purposes will reflect that and so will your rates. I had a problem once and my doctor was afraid I had MS, so in various screening procedures there was a lot of dancing around to avoid even suggesting such a thing until proven.
This guy has been shitting the anti HCQ narrative since Feb lol he is a retired pathologist around the 12min mark he cites the cdc and how they are getting political.
This is my biggest problem with EVERYONE these days.
Information literacy. Articles spewing an opinion confirming your bias, is NOT proof of anything. This goes for both sides.
Facts and data are what are important. The data shows Covid is only dangerous if you're old and near death due to health conditions, or living in a democrat run state.
Facts and data show that masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of a virus, they can minimize the spread of bacteria.
Facts and data suggest, no real proof yet (that's why we need to allow the treatment, to get more than a few hundred people as data points. A few hundred is a REALLY small sample size, but the France stuff and random doctors around the US show HUGE PROMISE) but the data/NIH study from 2005 STRONGLY suggest, that HCQ is an excellent treatment for the boomer remover. This means we should be using it, because of the promise. Hell, if people are gonna die from covid anyway... why is it an issue to give them this "OMG SO SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS MEDICINE" in an attempt to prevent death?
Facts and data: The size of the virus is the same as influenza and has similar transmission patterns. Here is a study on the effectiveness of masks published in May of 2020: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article (it says that masks have no significant effect on reducing the spread of the virus).
Exactly. I posted a while back a list of 5 studies. I had a study that basically compiled those and more to prove the point, but it was memory holed.
It's crazy. There was a covid related bill that was submitted LAST YEAR but that seems to have changed (although I was told it was common to change the purpose of a bill after submission) or disappeared
We'll be discussing this article in my biology classes assuming my school reopens.
A friend of mine’s wife had it. She’s a nurse and was exposed at work in March. She’s in her early 40s, had no underlying health issues, and is very active. My friend made a huge deal about how dangerous it is because she still hasn’t recovered her sense of smell, barely has a sense of taste, and still has a bad cough/breathing issues.
Here’s the thing, though. She refused all treatment. She laid in bed for a month taking over-the-counter fever/cough suppressants. And after his wife did some dumb shit like that, he’s freaking out on everyone for not taking it seriously enough.
It's always third hand stuff
Whenever I hear "no underlying conditions" they turn out to be obese and/or clearly unhealthy, significant drinkers, addicts.
Unsure of the drinking/addiction but otherwise she’s pretty fit.
Lots of people who appear fit are extremely unhealthy. See body builders, skinny-fat marathon runners.
I likely had Rona in late March and am close to her age. I was exposed at work as well. Testing was very limited at that time, and some sites were only for 60 yr+ and symptomatic. People were just told to self quarantine if presumed positive. I'm glad that there are more options for treatment now. The long term coughing was the worst. I was asymptomatic by May, aside from some hair loss. I hope that she can get the HCQ or plasma if she's still in rough shape!
I can tell you this... If I happen to get the kung flu, I'm telling my doctor I want Hydroxychloroquine and zinc. If my doctor prevents me, I'm suing him. If the state pharmacy board prevents me, I'm suing them. If the federal government says no, I'm suing them. Nobody should be keeping us from getting the medication we need.
I 100% agree with you. I asked a a close friend who happens to be a doctor if he is proscribing HCQ and he said no and cited the retracted failed study that everyone does. After carefully pointing that out to him, he got uncomfortable with the conversation and basically admitted he has to do what the administration says or he is out a job.
That is because there is federal money to be had. If you already had the cure to something that was cheap and easily available, it would make more money sense to get all that guuud government money to develop something new. And that is where we are today.
Yep, you have nothing to lose
....or want.
You're an American, dammit. You're free to take what the hell you want.
Archive link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20190619175726/https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs_2017/Hydroxychloroquine_2017.pdf
To point out the chart on Figure 2: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994-f2
Group A) face mask use alone Group B) face mask and hand hygiene
"We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility."
Masks do nothing.
But Fauci thinks he is bigger than CDC and runs his mouth off on every lefty hack network.
Well the CDC isnt exactly batting 300 here..
Right, I should have characterized CDC as an ant.
This is insanity. The CDC is saying that HCQ can be safely taken to PREVENT malaria...but somehow if it's taken for COVID then it's dangerous?? Wut???
If it's safe for malaria (for decades), why not try it for COVID? This is madness. We can only hope there is some accountability after this.
And why hasn't Fauci been fired? I trust Trump's strategies, I just can't figure this one out. Maybe Trump is afraid that if he fires Fauci the Dems will then use that to blame everything on that decision? ("The spread wouldn't have been so bad if you hadn't fired Fauci -- Orange Man bad!")
The last paragraph on the left column is the really damning part. It's so safe you can use it for prevention, not just treatment.
they said over and again 'but muh cdc' and all - but look here it is...
Ok so if you want HQC, say you are going to Iquitos Peru for 2 months and need it to prevent malaria. Do they make you provide proof of travel plans?
I don’t understand why President Trump doesn’t tweet these things out? I mean I know they will remove it, but it would get a lot of attention beforehand right? What about discussing the facts we’ve all come to know during a press conference? I can’t help but wonder what would be more important than proving fake news and the swamp wrong and providing scared and sick people hope and their health back. I would think this would turn the tide and get us all back to work..
Please provide the actual link. We need it to relink. Just giving us a picture doesn't help with that.
liberals dont read
TL;DR - HCQ is safe for Malaria but not Covid.....how is that possible???
I first learned about HCQ when I was traveling around the Spanish speaking world. Malaria is a danger in those areas. I learned how it is taken preemptively so the virus can't take root in your system when a mosquito with Malaria bites you. Like Frontline for people. It was never described as dangerous by doctors or the CDC, still isn't. I got lucky and didn't end up passing through any Malaria danger zones and didn't need it.
"Hydroxychloroquine (also known as hydroxychloroquine sulfate) is an arthritis medicine that also can be used to prevent malaria."
Hi Doctor, my arthritis is flaring up again, better double me up on that HCQ.
A specific arthritis, rheumatoid. The problem with adopting RA or lupus to get HCQ now is that those are permanent diseases and your record for insurance purposes will reflect that and so will your rates. I had a problem once and my doctor was afraid I had MS, so in various screening procedures there was a lot of dancing around to avoid even suggesting such a thing until proven.
https://youtu.be/5i4BpTcBdrc
This guy has been shitting the anti HCQ narrative since Feb lol he is a retired pathologist around the 12min mark he cites the cdc and how they are getting political.
HCQ is safe and works early in covid infections- use it you have nothing to lose
Better Archive that before its memory holed.
I will trust Rod Rosenstein's sister right after I open a mini golf course on Uranus.
I'm sure they've since removed it.
Didn't Dorcey or one of his ilk appearing before Congress just claim that hydroxycholroquine information was removed to comply with CDC guidelines?
Ohio ignores the CDC