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posted ago by purplepilled ago by purplepilled +10 / -0

(tl;dr - HCQ is a super weak issue, easy to attack, distracts from real issues, gives dems the upper hand, won't win over big voices in medical community)

Frustrating to see MAGA fall into so many BAD narratives this cycle, we get eviscerated daily for good reason.

HCQ is a trap, not because it doesn't show promise or even could be a massive shift in mitigating the damage this virus does. The problem is it distracts from the real issues, it's a weak platform that's easy to attack.

The Left is baiting us into a losing battle when other issues, glaring weaknesses in their platform, are protected from scrutiny.

Think about this for a minute, keeping in mind in an election cycle your objective is to move the needle with moderates while energizing politically disengaged.


The most credible and respected experts during a pandemic are Epidemiologists and Critical Care doctors.

These two groups are two of the weakest to "win over" on the issue of HCQ, heres why:

Critical Care Docs are the front line, they are having the most contact with the worst cases of COVID. Their primary goal is to curb mortality period. They are interested in the most effective ways to turn the corner for someone who is spiraling downhill.

Both studies and anecdotal evidence suggests, HCQ does not zap the critically ill back to life. **Many frontline docs used it early on and were happy to scrap its use because HCQ doesn't work in that situation, that's not even what the treatment promoted by zelenko/roault was even designed to be used for. **

Epidemiologists do a lot of research in identifying the origins of a virus and it's spread, lots of data analysis. Their work in mitigation and treatment is going to search out and favor the "sure thing".

The problem with HCQ right now is the lack of abundance in double blind clinical trials, even when made available people facing potential mortality aren't too excited to roll the dice on a placebo. When papers are published showing even a large number of patients doing well with HCQ, without anything to compare it to it is tough to know what would have happened without the HCQ. Even if an Epidemiologist was secretly in bed with big Pharma trying to push us away from HCQ,the existence of successful double blind trials be too strong to deny, and we just don't have that.

Epidemiologists are going to be most interested in treatments being used and developed based on solid science, off-label use of existing meds a much less compelling place to look for the solution. Add to that a big part of their job is to analyze available treatment options being tested in clinical trials. ** HCQ becomes easy bait as the medical community is being flooded with low quality clinical trials right now with HCQ being by far the most targeted for bad studies, another blow to what is an extremely weak platform to begin with. **


Here are the REAL issues we can make compelling arguments for that are being ignored:

  • Bottlenecking healthcare thru limited ICU resources never designed to handle the brunt of a pandemic
  • Lack of free and open access to ANY available treatment options, both over the counter and thru clinics/primary care docs
  • Lack of focus on effective outpatient treatment options, utilizing clinics/primary docs/etc. to effectively manage early intervention and reduce hospitalization numbers. (THIS IS WHERE HCQ SHINES, and this is why its Primary Care Docs who are speaking up mostly, they are underutilized)
  • Lack of an effective strategy to protect long term care facilities, nursing homes still frequently suffer outbreak and account for majority of fatalities.
  • Lack of transparency, investigation, and consequences regarding mishandling of pandemic by authorities, reporting inaccurate data, or utilizing poor quality treatment methods in hospitals that lead to worse outcomes
  • Lack of diversity in voices consulted and given a platform. Credible voices in many different specialties. Fauci/Birx is not enough.
  • Lastly, completely broken incentive system makes if profitable to admit patients, longer visits, more invasive treatments, and make us all wait for brand new expensive drugs, vaccines, etc. While there is NO incentive to reduce hospital stays, duration/severity, snd overall find the best and cheapest outcomes. Imagine if hospitals somehow got paid more for better outcomes?! The incentive system is literally begging with billions of dollars, please make this as bad as it can possibly be. Disturbing.
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uvontheterrible 7 points ago +7 / -0

HCQ is a trap, not because it doesn't show promise or even could be a massive shift in mitigating the damage this virus does. The problem is it distracts from the real issues, it's a weak platform that's easy to attack.

Sorry, but this is 100% wrong. A cheap, widely available drug, with an excellent and very well understood safety profile is not a distraction from 'the real issues'. It is the real issue.

The left's fraud and lies about HCQ needs to be exposed. They are responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths and people need to understand this. Once people understand it they will also understand how the left also obliterates real science when it comes to other big issues like climate change.

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DemsFuckKids 2 points ago +2 / -0

fuckin' amen!

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purplepilled [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I totally agree, but your not responding to the post. the issue is strategy and winning the narrative. the left is taking a horrible stance on HCQ because it's working. As long as the fight remains over HCQ, they have the upper hand period.