I posted this once but there is also a follow up with the SAME lefty.
Heres the original post:
Heres an example of yet another discussion on fakebook with leftists, liberterians, and unknowns - including myself. I removed names and replaced with other designations.
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As we can see, the leftist does not provide a single link to a source of their statements.
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The leftist also establishes themself as an expert in saying 'this is what I do'. The intent of this is that since theyre now an established expert, they dont have to provide anything backing up their statements OR refuting yours. Their word is enough.
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Lefty #2 only chimes in once, but at least provides a source.
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I provided a source for everything I said.
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Leftist ends with classic case of projection in stating that "people only want to believe a certain narrative"
Lefty: Um your statement isn't true.... They have been testing to see if HQ works. It isn't working but a steroid is working better. They have been open and honest about it. But hey false narrative is the best right✌️
Liberterian: Ohio had banned the use of it.
Lefty: that's one state. They are testing it. They are not letting doctors just do it Willy nilly. There in lies what you are misunderstanding. It is being tested, research is controlled not just doctors doing whatever they want. HQ isn't the only thing being tested. There are many Drug companies working to see what works. Yes it can be all about money but it is about people lives but you are sharing false information
Which study? The fake one?
Lefty: this is my job so ....
Me: This isnt false information. Gilead has even changed their sales outlook to include the sales from Remdesivir. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gilead-raises-sales-outlook-covid-033119148.html
Lancet retracted a fake study that they also refused to allow peer review on prior to said retraction. I dont really view that as being open and honest about anything. Whats weird is that Gilead helped fund that study and the study wasnt to prove that Remdesivir worked, it was to prove that HCQ didnt. Why would they want to do that? I really wanted to avoid ad hominems here (attacking motive is a form of ad hominem) but given the circumstances, it is legitimate to question the motives in this case and should fall on the side of 'not ad hominem'. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study?fbclid=IwAR15TmlvTJdI8TgPgpkYKrzcCTBh8QsEprgrs4ZZBArWwfkJFCwlYueEh
There are initial studies and doctor experiences that shows HCQ works as both a preventative and a treatment. It is safe for most people and commonly prescribed for other infections. In the beginning of the 'pandemic' hospitals across the country were buying up massive supplies of HCQ. Other nations have already proven it works. India is a great example of that. https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/why-icmr-continues-to-stand-firm-on-using-hydroxychloroquine-as-prophylaxis/76172274
Lefty: I read all the information that is coming out and it is being tested. They just want to do it right. 🤦🏼♀️
Lefty: IDC what you say. It doesn't matter to aside from the fact you are sharing false information. Pfizer and bill gates aren't the only companies running studies. Nor is it the only big company. Everyone wants a "cure".
Lefty: Do I want another vaccine? Hell no. Do I want something that can help more than it hurts? Yes. HQ is showing to be more harmful so.......
Lefty #2: Yes, I too read studies. Most recent I saw was random trial in Brazil. HCQ and HCQ + antibiotic were no better than placebo. N >800. I think it was released by NE Jrnl of Med this past week or so.
Lefty: people only want to believe a certain narrative and it doesn't matter if it's true or false. Its a sad reality. Plus giving an antibiotic for a virus is why we have antibiotic resistant bacterial infections
END OF FIRST RESPONSE
Next, she comments on a video about censorship, but goes way off topic and talks about masks again. That is because the Soldier in the video collapsed, presumably due to the mask he was wearing in full dress uniform standing in 100+ degree heat. However - the post was about censorship and had nothing to do with the content of the video.
Heres how I responded to that:
Im going to do something I typically avoid doing because it may help. Or it may not, LOL.
"But hey all of us who have worked on clinic and/or surgery or those that work with fumes, paint that wear masks for 8+ hours and don't pass out...... Why is that?"
^ This part is an ad hominem that attacks the credibility of the person that suffered the emergency, as well as a false equivalency.
"Masks dont restrict air O2"
^ This part is a Strawman argument. No one mentioned anything about O2 levels - not the original post, not the caption in the post, and not in the link.
"but hey he passed out from a mask🤣🤣"
^ This is also an ad hominem of sorts. It seeks to discredit and shame the man that clearly suffered a health emergency live on camera.
The original post was about censorship too. Attacking the content of the post is a logical fallacy. It appears that the intent was to shift the goalposts away from the topic of censorship and then discredit the article, completely forgetting that a video recorded live and without commentary was scrubbed from the internet for no good reason.
None of this contributes to an actual discussion; much less a discussion on the topic of the post which is censorship. It is also not going to help change anyone's mind, if that is the goal. There is simply no relevant information here to use.
Link to image of the post: https://imgur.com/GJdY4mz
Discussing things with lefitsts is usually not fruitful to us, however, the 'audience' is whats important here - reaching minds that havent been made up or are open. This is the only reason I engage them any more. It is still important to engage them and recognize their tactics, not participate, and then shut them down - politely and intellectually.