I would argue that Trump and his team have saved millions of lives.
Especially with his actions of banking travel from China and then later Europe and Brazil. I found it a bit odd though that Britian was exempt in the beginning, considering it was pretty sure over though.
Compare that to the response of Democrats such as Cuomo who said people should still go out that it wasn't a big deal. And the vodka drinker Pelosi who said people should go visit Chinatown in San Fran Sicko.
During this time, Trump has had to deal with a very hostile and corrupt media that wanted to Blake every death on him, when he has been doing everything in his power to fight the WuFlu.
I believe in January he ordered flights to stop from China and soon after set up the task force, with no less than the VP to be in charge of it.
nothing would have been different even if we did nothing except that the whole shitshow would have been over 2 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI&vl=en
Yep. This. The entire Covid deal is an agenda pusher from the beginning.
Trump bans travel from China. The left claim its racist.
Deaths numbers are down, the left now constantly talks about infected numbers.
The numbers are bullshit.
Nothing made in China ever works
Correct that’s why they are very careful with their wording “COVID related deaths”. Aka the dude wrapped his car around a tree and died, but he tested positive for COVID.
Florida man killed in motorcycle accident marked as COVID death
Man with BAC of 0.55 dies from alcohol poisoning, marked as COVID death.
Many test sites in Florida reporting 100% COVID positive test rates.
600,000 military members falsely tested positive for COVID.
Or just deaths in general.
They certainly aren't as trust worthy as they should be given how much we have spent on this disease.
There are a lot of test makers trying to cash in, some of them make garbage testing kits. The good tests do not have a high false positive rate. The bad tests or one improperly done do have a high false negative test rate.
Agreed. Some of this is done for the politics, some for the extra money that comes with a positive Covid checkmark on the patient's chart.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781
Idk where you are getting your FP data, but since the pcr and serology tests have overlap with common cold strains of coronavirus, they are not specific for covid 19.
We've been running Covid PCR tests for over six months. We've used the earliest versions and been involved with trying out other versions. We never had a problem with false positives, but we did have some problems with false negatives due to low sensitivity. These were corrected by increasing the amount of culture medium and getting a larger sample (think probing deeper, swabbing around more and letting it stay in the nose longer). During the first couple of months, we still had lots of patients that came in with colds, were tested for flu and covid-19 and didn't test positive for Covid-19.
The link is garbage. The guy has zero idea of how PCR works, or of the accuracy. If he did, he would realize that errors tend to produce results that don't match what your looking for. They would be more likely to obscure positive covid results. I would surmise he hasn't done any testing of patients himself. Unlike the author, I have ordered and done Covid testing on countless (we stopped counting long ago after the patients got into the hundreds) patients. I've seen many of their Xrays, their CT scans and their blood work. I've seen how their kidneys, heart or lungs fail under covid in ways that do not match up with influenza, colds or ordinary pneumonia. I've had enough personal experience that I can usually tell you from a sick patient's presentation whether they have Covid or not. I've seen the test results after the initial evaluation and can clinically correlate positive and negative tests with what I see in my patients.
In other words, I have professional experience in evaluating the accuracy of these tests. The writer of your link does not. He would know better if he did. The writer of your link may as well be one of CNN's "sources say".
Take a look here for a more accurate explanation of problems with PCR testing.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169774
You are making an argument from authority, and the cases you are seeing are biased towards the severe presentations requiring hospitalization. In the context of severe symptoms, the PPV of pcr certainly goes up, but the main point of the article is that there is no gold standard from which to judge the accuracy of the test because the symptoms of covid overlap with many other respiratory illnesses, and it lacks pathognomonic features. Also, the pcr test amplifies rna from benign coronaviruses that share sequences with covid which would qualify as a FP. These viruses are ubiquitous in the environment. In addition many protocols amplify the sample so many times that the noise to signal ratio is inappropriately high as the creator of pcr has said. It also does nothing to tell you what a person's viral load is or even if there is active replication. How did a durian, goat, papaya, and bird test positive? Should fruits be socially distanced?
This is doubly silly - for two reasons. One, in any counterargument, you will be citing someone else's information (usually with a link to a website, which is what you did with global research) without being able to test it yourself. Two, because I gave the rationale why the logic of the source you cited was erroneous.
If we were talking about back in early April and May, you would be correct. That would be because most people were avoiding going to the hospital unless they really had to. That isn't the case at all now. People are showing up for testing because just because their coworker was sent home with some sickness and they are worried they might have it.
This is why we use differential diagnoses. Presentation gives us a very good idea of what the possibilities are. There are a lot of things that lack any one specific finding, but show up as a cluster of symptoms. If Covid-19 is significantly impacting the person's breathing, the CT or Xray is usually distinct. Rule outs also help us distinguish what disease or condition is NOT affecting you at the moment
I didn't mention it in the post you just replied to, but our facilities aren't using the antibody tests, because those have shown no consistent reliability from any of the sources we have tried.
There are many tests that amplify the original sample. A blood culture that takes a couple days before resulting gives the bacteria a chance to grow and multiply. For example, the amplification that tells us whether a patient has gram positive anaerobic cocci clusters doesn't mean the test is inaccurate. It gives us a better idea of what organisms are possibly causing a patient's sickness.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC121377/
It isn't about the signal to noise ratio. We are just looking for various words in the signal. If the word shows up, we know we have a match. One of the things that we learned very early was that people that came in sick with Covid-19 almost never have the flu at the same time. People that came in sick with the flu almost never had Covid-19 at the same time. They might later acquire them, but the tests weren't showing overlap. The same was true with Covid and RSV or Strep. Why is this relevant? If you went into a hospital sick when Covid was at its peak, and thee were very limited Covid-19 test kits, providers might use one of the other viral tests to rule out Covid as your source of illness, even without a Covid test.
I can't vouch for the accuracy of various PCR testing used outside of our facilities (it is a very sizable group of hospitals though). I do know, and can vouch that early on, there were a lot of faulty PCR tests used in other facilities. Throughout repeated verification efforts, the tests we were using never fell into the false positive problem area. False negatives (clinically proven) were a a problem area due to the insensitivity of the tests. We were fortunate enough to work hand in hand with one of the places developing the tests.
Yesterday was a slow day, and I was personally responsible for only 12 Covid-19 tests. Of the ones I did the previous week (moderately busy) only two came back positive and both patients were at home doing well with over the counter medications.
The disease is unpredictable compared to many other diseases, but at this point in time we've got a fairly good handle on how it can present. Of the ones I tested yesterday, I expect three will test positive, even though their symptoms don't match up well with typical symptom checker lists. I could be wrong, and will learn from the results either way and adjust my practice accordingly. It is why they call it practicing medicine. An awful lot of it depends on the specific person who is sick, and how they are responding to their illness. That is something no blog, algorithm or individual test can tell you ahead of time.
the original prediction was 2 Million+ DEAD. no matter any precautions, masks, distance, lockdown, didnt matter.
Want to bet its 60k MAX maybe less than 150k dead.
Flu deaths vanished as did multiple other deaths.
Imagine how low it would be If the reported cause of deaths were accurate.
much lower than what is reported. I saw a CDC document in April which showed the actual Covid deaths, when flu and pnumonia deaths were taken out.
even better when they subtract out all the car accidents, organ failure from cancer and beetus, drug overdoses, flu , etc
Not to feed into the fake news hysteria, but to some extend shouldn’t we consider the reason most of us don’t personally have losses is due to aggressive response: banning china, distancing, etc.?
Even if the numbers are true (a quick positive test for China Virus for any death results in a nice fat check for the hospital), about 250,000 people a year die in fully preventable medical errors.
Context is everything.
Isn't the normal flu season in the 100k range?
The early models predicted 950,000 deaths in California alone... Fuck Gavin Newsom, open the fucking state
Democrat govs are dictators and the left loves it.
Yes. this is the same shit we saw during the Iraq War, when the original projections were 50,000 possible Troop deaths in the initial invasion, which everyone was cool with obviously since congress signed off on it. Then, we had to watch the daily troop death counts every night on the news when the numbers weren't even remotely close to the original projections.
How many of this 150k died FROM COVID and how many died WITH?
Side bet half of them were never tested for it.
Divide that number by 3 and you get the real death toll.
And how many of them were going to dude this year anyway?
I bet 80% of those numbers were fake or people with pre existing conditions or over 85 years old.
There was a case of someone dying from a motorcycle crash that was chalked up as a WuFlu death.
1 million people die in the USA every year and nobody bats a eye I guarantee you by the end of this year there will be no difference in deaths from every other year
Will the globalists have the cuffs on by then though?
2.8 million in the US die yearly. A lot of those COVID deaths had little to do with COVID and some were people who weren't going to make it through the year anyways.
Everything about it is being overblown for politics.
almost everyone dying has a coronovirus in his system at all times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI&vl=en
I prefer accurate models to hysterical doomsday predictions. I'm sick of the fear mongering.
I need proof that 150K in the US died from Corona and not under duress (like being forced into a nursing home). I have a feeling it's really less than 10K.
We've forgotten about all of those March predictions, there's no evidence of them.
Trump re-invented pandemic testing within a month and got all of the needed supplies like vents and PPE to the hardest hit states. His championing of treatments like HCQ, plasma, remedisivir, steroids and vaccines through the cutting of red tape and deals with Kodak is unprecedented.
Any spikes in deaths at this point is due to people making their own choices including the BLM riots. Trump has done all he can do to protect the American people.
Considering that a large percentage were deliberate nursing home murders and another large percentage were false death attributions for big $$$ then yes it is a good result
That is just because you can count...with numbers. Seriously, a few days before closing the airports to China the FN media was saying the targeting of the 'most revered military leader' was a 'distraction'.
How many of those people would have died by now anyways? NY Times list had many old people. How many of these people were hanging on a thread waiting for any stiff breeze to come by?
We don't know. We don't keep the stats that way. We only count them if they're dead and have COVID.
Correct. 150,000 thousand didn’t die, 1.85 million were saved. Thank you Trump!
covid deaths are not counted corretly so i say even 150k is bullshit, way too high
I would bet my last dollar that the 150,000 number should be closer to 75,000. These are microscopic numbers given the US population. Yet, the rotten bastards closed down the entire country. Payback to those responsible will be glorious in November (if the people don't handle it before then).
Sorry, but I'm obligated to stop counting at the end of Cold and Flu season, so we can get an accurate comparison to "The Flu," which many of us, from the beginning, have been saying this is comparable to.
If I DO stop counting at the end of Cold and Flu season, we get somewhere between 100,000 and 120,000 reported covid deaths. Compared to our worst flu season, which was around 80,000, that's pretty bad. Except those are REPORTED deaths. Including "Death WITH Covid." If we reduce those numbers by the estimated 25% they're inflated... Ah shit, we get 75,000 to 90,000. The median of which falls within Flu Death Numbers.
I wouldn't argue that Trump and his team saved millions of lives. I would argue that nothing we did mattered at fucking all, and if anything we came out a shit ton worse than if they'd just stayed open and devoted full production to Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Zinc tablets for people to take.
But DAMN STRAIGHT as we head into the Election, we need the Trump Administration to run ads showing Fauci's original "Millions will die, even with mitigation!" clips and then explaining how the Trump Administration saved the vast majority of those Fauci Death Projections' lives. And I believe Trump WILL argue that. Because he's more practical than I am, and less willing to burn the whole fucking thing down, and honestly smarter.
The numbers aren't even that high. Don't forget about all the death certificates with fake causes of death to inflate the numbers and generate hospital revenue. The forced deaths in ventilators? Texas just saying they counted people. Who weren't even reported as covid on their death certificate. We have a high number of cases due to increased testing and fraud. I don't buy any of it and it'll disappear after the election or as soon as they believe it hurts Biden. Covid is real, the reaction to it is fake.
Not only did President Trump save 2 million lives, he also massively reduced all other forms of death!!!
The numbers are low. Once we have the total death count for 2020 and we can calculate the crude death rate and then compare it to past years, it will be totally obvious.
Basically it's totally obvious to anyone who can do basic math today, but given the fake news hysteria, few bother.
150K is good considering that the MSM said over 2 million would die, and also considering that they're pulling all the stops to get that death count as high as possible before November. If they reported accurate covid caused death numbers I bet the actual numbers would be fucking incredible (like <60k)
Everything that happened at 9-11 is happening again
150k is a corrupt exagerration.
Even that number of deaths attributed to COVID is exaggerated with comorbidity. We won't see any significant change in deaths relative to periods that didn't get the media attention about some specific threat. There are bigger health issues out there then COVID-19, and this is nothing new.
Unless the Lord returns soon, every man, woman and child on this earth is going to die. When did adults lose sight of the fact that death is inevitable and being a bitch about it doesn't change that? The real enemies are sin, death and the devil and the only solution is the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'd say 150,000 deaths isn't as bad as they are making it sound, especially when you could call some of those deaths into question. Unless COVID somehow becomes a yearly killer like the flu, it's numbers won't touch our yearly killers here.
Heart disease: 647,457 Cancer: 599,108 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383 Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404 Diabetes: 83,564 Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
And now you understand why framing the narrative is so important and why the Left will never let go of the corporate media.
We will never be able to find out the truth; those numbers have been fake. the vast majority of those deaths were from other causes but a tribute to Covid
get out of here with your FACTS
Consider this...it wouldn’t even be at 150K if Dems hasn’t seeded nursing homes with CCP virus patients!
Funny how influenza deaths fell through the floor at the same time the covid deaths came up. I guess it's just a coincidence they share the exact same synptoms.