Sometimes I’ll just be like ‘you’re not a high school social studies teacher, you don’t need a works cited page. Either believe it or not.’ Other times I’ll point out their pattern of behavior and argument strategy before they even get to the final stage, where they say since it didn’t come from a reputable source it doesn’t count. They don’t seem to grasp all of their beliefs are being influenced by propaganda sources so of course any real news will seem strange to them. They’re interesting creatures.
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Facts never convince people who came to their positions via emotion.
I also get the ‘well that’s a conspiracy theory’ argument pretty often.
Tell them Russian collusion is a conspiracy theory.
Where is the pee tape??? The urination proclamation? The whizz heard 'round the world? Still waiting for proof, and debunking a germaphobe doesn't prove shit
It's not a theory if it's an actual conspiracy. But yeah, that's just another rationalization for maintaining a belief rooted in emotion. I don't agree with Scott Adams about a variety of issues. But he's spot on about persuasion and facts not being convincing to feels over reals folks.
I hate wading through Adam’s minutia; is there a specific place where he focuses on specifically discussing persuasion and “feels over facts”?
I can't think of one podcast that's a dense distillation. It's sort of an ongoing background topic. A quick and dirty search landed me here:
https://sterlingterrell.net/2018/09/persuasion-tips.html
Hopefully it's helpful. It does touch on many of his ongoing themes.
Im an avid anti masker. No one has said shit to me, but im totally ready to blow them out of the water.
Have you noticed that despite the establishment telling them the mask doesn't protect the wearer people put it on because they think it protects them?
Bunch of poor dumb cowards :/
"A liberal would be like "OMG, USA has more cases than CHINA! That's crazy!." Failing to realize China can't even match out testing capabilites, despite their population being 4x the size."
Don't even GO THER with China stats.
I've had that, I laughed in their face for trusting China, asked if they'd like to go bungee jumping if they found out the bungee was made in China.
I just flew back from TX two days ago, its fine over there. Was able to swing by a bar and have a burger and some beers, plus also got to stop for some really good BBQ and eat it inside.
I tell them it can't be a theory unless it's scientifically proven, and ask them if they meant conjecture or deduction.
Sounds like my very unhealthy mother.
My MIL is like this too. The most successful conversation I ever had with her (it didn't redpillher, but it made her begin to think, and it shut her up):
We start coming to blows over some "fake news" story. She says "It's like you just don't know who you can trust" (she's talking about who's media is accurate, hers or mine)
I start laughing and say "Yes you can."
She says, "Well how, I don't see how, everyone is lying to you these days."
I am still chuckling, I say, "Just go to the source material. That's how you know who's telling the truth about something..."
I gave her a little pep talk about how you can determine what news sources are reliable by checking them against source material. I ask her if she read Pedosta dumps. Answer = no. So I say "well, if you didn't read it for yourself, then how do you know if media is lying or telling the truth about it?"
SOURCE MATERIAL. Don't go to the media, go to the source. Then check what you saw/read against your media, and you will know who is lying to you.
Use the source, Luke. Use the source.
Because she's too lazy. She wants predigested opinions because it's easier.
My girlfriend and I was just at her moms house last weekend so I could put a bed together for her for some extra cash. We both already know she's a diehard lefty. $100+k in student loan debt, switched from an English degree to library degree, full on in academia. So I already know the bubble she lives in. My gf asked me long ago not to argue with her when she brings up politics to get along. But there we are helping her out and she starts bringing up something about someone calling AOC a bitch and how wrong and messed up that is. I myself wasn't aware of that particular story b.c when it came up here on TD I skipped over it b.c, well I do think she is a bitch. So I said to her I haven't heard about that story, tell me about it. She rambles on about how someone was caught on camera calling her a bitch and was supposed to apologies but didn't. A real nothing-burger. I then asked her why did he call her a bitch? All she could say was I just told you the story. I said yes you did but you never said why he did it in the first place. So she's getting heated and saying how we (gf and I) were misogynist and that we instantly think b.c she is a woman she had to do something wrong to be called a bitch. I replied with no, I just don't go around calling someone a bitch without being provoked first. On the way back home I told my gf, notice how she couldn't give us a reason as to why someone would say such a thing to someone. It's b.c the tv didn't give her a reason. Notice how outraged she got when the narrative was questioned? B.c tv teaches her to be outraged when it's questioned. I been on the Trump train sense the 2016 primaries. Girlfriend is voting Trump with me this year. Her mom.... well she is useful in red pilling my gf
Exactly. People are using media as the source. How is media a source? Media may report a story, but that story had to come from somewhere. Verify if what they are saying is true by looking into it yourself. Reporters are no better at coming to a conclusion than you or me, sure they may have gotten a degree in journalism but that does not necessarily means they are always correct with the conclusions that they come to. Opinion pieces are some of the most disgusting pieces of content they put out, why would I give a fuck about some journalists opinion? I may give a fuck about a close friends opinion, or my families opinion, but a random journalist?
It gets even worse than this because not only do people not even look into the source they dont even read the fucking articles. So many times I see comments on Reddit asking questions or making speculations on things that were clearly addressed in the article. These people are reading headlines and forming opinions based on headlines. It is insanity.
You are exactly right, however, I tried dragging my mom through the whole spirit cooking Podesta emails and she refused to believe they were real. Her words : “Emails are private and secure, how could you get ahold of his emails, they have to be fake”. She also calls me monthly to fix her computer, or walk her through turning it off and back on
“You can’t reason a man out of a position he didn’t reason himself into.”
I used to love wikipedia... but now that their cofounder has come out and said that it is edited toward leftist agendas... I think we need better than wikipedia.
It's been unreliable for a long time. Some topics are far worse than others.
https://youtu.be/Wqw527ivrQE
Yesterday I was looking at Casey Anthony (that hot mom who killed her baby in Orlando) and I was surprised that Casey Anthony doesn't have a wikipedia page. The killing of her daughter has a page, the trial has a page, but not the mother. It's gotta be explained by some legal reasons, but its still really making me curious how it can be the case. I'm serious, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Casey_Anthony&redirect=no and you'll find nothing on the mother/killer.
Interesting. I wonder who else and what else is omitted?
Wikipedia IS totally biased leftwards. However, it is still useful if you are smart enough to understand how they perform biasing and you cross-corroborate with other sources.
To be fair I had a big Wikipedia success that's still up. They kept denying my edit for petty reasons until I provided 3 trusted lefty NewsGuard certified sources (all ranked 100/100 by them) that agreed with me. I still check from time to time wondering when someone will take it down but they haven't since.
Wikipedia have been slowly fakenewsed over the past 10y. Some articles are now straight up propaganda. Sad.
WOW! This is WAY better than Wikipedia. I looked up Melania Trump and the difference was noticeable. The wording is the key. Thanks for the link!
Chrome and Brave are both freaking out telling me that site is dangerous?
yeah, lots of people get smeared for political reasons and history is reshaped into a leftist viewpoint on wikipedia.
I got people to admit Breitbart articles are well sourced with facts. You can't expect someone to "change" and some won't. But some will slowly realize they're fed a fantasy.
Keep your chin up.
I've had my best success with a modified Socratic method: asking questions and follow ups asking them to explain their ideas to me. It can be challenging to stay neutral and positive in those exchanges but I think it's helpful. Most people don't enjoy getting told. They like to figure things out themselves. Even if they get some cognitive dissonance they also get a nice dopamine hit from those light bulb aha! moments.
Every time some leftist tells me that Breitbart is fake news - I ask them to sit down with me and go over the stories on Breitbart and show me what is fake by proving it.
Nobody ever has. Not even one story.
The problem is they cite headlines they have read as sources.
Then ask for more details, go beyond headlines. Engage in deeper conversation with as much polite interest as you can muster. Otherwise it's merely a gimp fight between sloganeers. Which can be fun over a few beers but accomplishes nothing except bad feelings between people.
Yeah, ive never had any luck getting a liberal to read anything. They concoct fantasies and once they have that locked into the memory banks, they wont digest anything that contradicts it. Its part of the liberal disese.
I didn't say make them read. I said ask them questions about their beliefs. Make them work to try to convince you. That said it's also important to choose your battles wisely and not waste your time and energy when it could be better spent elsewhere.
Lol I dig that. Never heard sloganeers before.