Background info comes from this tweet, but the direct source is from using the worldindata site. Easy to verify that the death rates and policy characterizations of countries using, restricting are correct. Hydroxychloroquine News account on Twitter & Covid Crusher provide details of listed countries.
https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1290037158628089856?s=20
Another link with supporting studies is here. https://c19study.com/
Look up Filipe Rafaeli he did a bigass article on HQC with lots of public data and sources. Primary article was on Medium in Portuguese but was taken down I think.
'Member when Tom Hanks' wife got the China Virus and admitted to using HCQ, but insisted that it was impossible to say whether her rapid turnaround in condition was thanks to the drug or not. The elites take it to save themselves while telling the commoners it's ineffective.
Exactly. Like I said in another comment, we can pretty much guarantee that Democratic politicians have all taken it, but ban Americans from taking it. They're hypocrites!
See my other comment in here, but I have a public pamphlet straight from China that says HCQ is one of their treatments for COVID. I don't know if they're actually using is, but to be fair, they weren't hiding it.
I think it's important to get info like this straight, because if China is open about telling its people about HCQ that makes it even more damning for the Democrats who are suppressing it here.
We do know it, that’s the point. Trump took HCQ. It’s been known effective against corona viruses for ages. It’s cheap, it’s available, it’s relatively safe.
It was too perfect a solution for the problem they wanted to create.
Why do you think the leftist media is so hard-on against it? We’re at war with China, have been for decades, we just don’t seem to want to acknowledge the fact that it’s on and that we’re losing.
My thoughts exactly. Spain and Italy have been using HQC but their death per capita are extremely high. Not saying HQC doesn't work but just wondering what conditions are different there that are causing them to have so many death even with the use of the drug.
Edit: just checked the stats, both countries deaths started PLUMMETING in late march, wondering if that is when they picked up using HQC.
Well that’s also when hospitals weren’t overloaded anymore. You know, the main reason we shut down was to prevent overload to hospitals for that reason
There's nothing worse than sharing misinformation, we hate when the left does it and I refuse to be a hypocrite, especially when it comes to advocating for life or death medication.
Holy fuck. Where the fuck have you guys been the past few months? We have known of HCQ since the first to second week of lockdowns. We have been posting studies proving its effectiveness in droves, if you are looking for the WHO or CDC approved-studies then you will NEVER get those.
This leads me to believe you guys arent real supporters and most likely shills
Shut the fuck up, I've seen the same stuff you have, I've been following this stuff for months too and I've always thought that HCQ was pretty much the cure.
I requested some solid data to share, this chart looks too good to be true and some of the responses I've received suggest that that might be the case, that doesn't mean that HCQ doesn't work.
If I caught Covid you can guarantee I'd be begging my doctor for HCQ and Zinc.
Look at Dr. Armstrong’s data from a Texas nursing home. These people have zero reserve and 98% that got treated early survived. One out of 38 died. That’s sealed it for me
Dios mio. Stop calling anyone a shill right away. We are not on reddit anymore, discussion and VERIFICATION are a good thing, before spreading misinformation, which happens easily.
There are a ton of medications that cause "prolonged QT interval". This is the side effect they claim makes HCQ so dangerous.
Prozac, Zoloft, every antidepressant, every anti-psychotic drastically increases chances of QT interval significantly more than HCQ does.
They give anti-depressants to teenagers and even kids without a second thought. They hand this stuff out like candy and there are over 30million Americans on them last time I changed. Where's the "MUH QT INTERVAL!?!?" for that? (antidepressants are taken everyday for years, not a temporary short term like HCQ also)
Hydroxychloroquine has been approved for over 60 years. It has been approved for pregnant women. Aspirin has a long list of side effects as well.
those drugs dont enhance mood. the sad thing is, often they dont work and IMO the theory behind it is all flawed.
nobody looks for the real causes of mental illness anymore, and innately assume some chemical imbalance -- which may exist but is constantly in flux. instead they hand out drugs and rely on patient reporting to see if its 'effective'
now this can work with even placebo -- I dont think most patients actually would know what improvement themselves, or what the cause was. I dont think that reporting is trustworthy. its not when people Lie to get pills to sell by doctor shopping.
im not saying they dont EVER work, but you dont necessarily know if youve caused a WORSE imbalance by fucking with it without ever trying to find and fix the actual causes in some form of actual psychotherapy where the individual can learn to change their life and get past it.
90% of the time they hand out drugs to kids, they dont even need it. they need something else that doesnt get looked at or measured. and then it fucks you up even worse, not only mentally but causing terrible physical side effects.
in a lot of ways, if your functional enough your better off NOT taking antidepressants or most of these antipsychotic type drugs. some have permanent side effects -- esp the stuff they use "off label" and in rehabs and mental hospitals. some side effects include permanent tremors after quitting (i.e. brain damage)
stuff like electroshock therapy is still used for "depression"
none of this is right in my opinion. psychoanalysis has been abandoned as 'inaccurate' and its pretty much behaviorism and drugs to control people.
these companies just love using ineffective things that SEEM to work but cause TERRIBLE addiction. its just legal addiction to their shit. Like take suboxone, its evil. they lie about it. for one, the naloxone never binds and was complete fraud. bupe binds so strongly it knocks off naloxone so its still 100% injectible.
the controlled market for 'doctors' doesnt teach them the truth and they never look for signs of people shooting it to save money (doesnt get you high, you just use less sell your script on the street make bank). and they limit patients to intentionally fester a black market supply chain where like i said, people lie and get too much to sell to others. EASILY. even some of the doctors are corrupt, doubling as pain management doctors.
worse yet, the addiction to that drug is easily closer to methadone than dope. a dope addict might be able to replace dope with it, but instead of being sick for 2 weeks, your gonna be sick for at least 2 months. Good luck getting off of it.
I question whether it makes people feel better or if they just think they do. I dont believe they do. the side effects any time i tried made my life hell even of basic antidepressants. and ive seen worse in my time than that even being regularly used probably without proper cause of investigation.
edit: Yes I did openly accuse reckitt and benickiser of fraud to pass FDA approval. I think it should be investigated and also the course approval program needs to end so general physicians can prescribe to those in need if its still found effective -- that way it doesnt lead to an intentional black market system where patients fake it to get more than they need, abuse the medication to make it last longer, and sell it for massive profits to pay for the private dr. visits.
if you dont believe me ask one of your boys in blue how often they arrest people selling and using it IV and then tell me this is all inaccurate then. rehabs even tell people its ok to buy it on the street before you can get a script. its that fucking corrupt.
nobody will listen probably, but a lot of this shit needs to get investigated probably in more areas.
And the thing people don't realize or aren't talking about, is doctors who have been prescribing this drug have said the side effects are almost universally with long term use. At a higher dosage than is being used for covid. People won't be taking hydroxychloroquine long term
From what I understand, the antibiotic is given along with the HCQ +Zinc because a bacterial infection is incredibly common with viral respiratory infections. The virus strips protective cells in the throat or more less. So once you realize you're sick with the virus you may already have a vulnerability for new bacteria.
I don't think the antibiotic would be given as a prophylactic, especially since we all are very much against overuse of antibiotics.
What dose and with what regularity? All reports Ive seen saynit only takes a small amount of HCQ to carry the zinc into the cell, and not for a prolonged period of time.
Tricor will be the next big one to come out as effective against covid 19. Wait and see
Would be better to have a statistician (someone who analyzes data) over a medical doctor (someone who treats patients). First, other variables covary. Off the top of my head, the countries that restrict it are first-world, and the HCQ countries are not. First world countries may be more rigorous in how they test and classify Covid deaths. It could also be first-world countries instituted aid packages that financially incentivized hospitals to classify deaths as Covid (and that's why we see car crash victims being classified as Covid deaths if they test positive post-mortem). Then there is the combination of increased testing, the incentivization, and the fact some if these tests are notorious for false positives (giving a positive result when the person doesn't have Covid).
Then there are the randomized trials that showed somewhat discouraging results for HCQ. If the effect in the data presented in the graph above are real, then how are they using HCQ differently than in the trial studies?
Geographic location may covary as well. Vitamin d deficiency may predict severity of symptoms as the nonHCQ countries tend to be in colder climates with less sun exposure (sunlight spurs natural vitamin d on the body)
There is some evidence that HCQ would work as a preventative measure if taken with zinc as it shows some effectiveness when taken early in the illness. So it might be advisable for a vulnerable person (elderly person on poor health) to take it during and after going to an event that will expose them. However, if the person is already severely ill, then remesivir appears to be the better option as while it does have some pretty significant side effects, it does appear to reduce mortality in controlled studies.The short answer is we still don't know.
Keep in mind that none of this matters for most people as the virus has a mortality rate that is effectively zero for those under 45 and damn close to zero for those between 45 and 70. For them, the symptoms tend to range from mild to moderate (like a cold or mild flu). So, if you are in this group, get your exercise and some sun exposure and that should be all the protection you need against Covid.
I'm a data architect with a PhD in the area of automation for machine learning architectures. I hold data science and machine learning certifications. I have to be anonymous because I'm a contractor for the DoD so please don't try to figure out who I am or I will have to delete my account. Understand about all that regarding correlation not equal causation, other features in datasets having impacts, etc. But the deltas between implementation impacts are too high to be explainable by other causes, particularly when you factor in dates of policy changes and subsequent impacts.
I asked a family member who has been a pharmacist for 25 years early on if hcq was safe. She said I've been prescribing it forever, it's been off patent for 50 years... totally safe and cheap. That was enough evidence for me.
Re Italy and Spain, they didn't start using it until after most of their deaths already happened and even then it was quite restricted.
Graph linked below is a screen shot from worldometers Coronavirus sorted by number of cases descending.
I'm a data architect and a PhD with almost 40 years of experience, not a doctor. I don't need some so called scientist bribed by a drug company to tell me how to interpret what the data clearly says.
https://twitter.com/IKneeltoJesus/status/1290287722007916545?s=20
Because it had been requested in the comments.
I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships.
They probably don’t have good testing capability to confirm a death +/-
Those countries are authoritarian and can force draconian lockdowns unimaginable here in the US.
Authoritarian governments tend to lie about deaths and numbers.
Iran uses hydroxychlorquine and they still have/had a bunch of deaths.
Exactly. You can't compare a Western country with the numbers produced by a shithole. Unlike in the US, in many countries chinavirus deaths are severely undercounted (especially in China). No test, no COVID-19 death.
That's because, unlike the US, most place don't give special funding based on chinavirus deaths so there's no interest in inflating the numbers.
I'm not sure if any other country is using hydroxy etc. on regular basis. I do know Italy and France tried it, but I'm not sure they use it on regular basis.
Also our side is arguing that hydroxychloroquine works only in combination with other things; that probably explains why earlier studies with it alone were not successful.
Well, it's like China. There are literally over a billion people in India, so you'd think if it were this severe we'd be seeing death rates through the roof -- just like China should be.
I'm not going to say hydroxychloroquine is the end all, be all but it certainly looks like a better route than intubation and shit.
Also a lot of the countries with more reliable reporting and lower deaths tend to be those where masks are historically part of their culture.
Now, I personally have no idea if masks are a net positive or negative, but I did notice this trend when comparing countries. Like how do Japan and South Korea of such crazy low deaths? I guess it could come down to contact tracing and other more draconian measures too.
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
I could run simple experiments to answer these questions and have conclusive results in a month at most. It's unbelievable.
Japan and South Korea are mega cucked to their government. They made people wear masks and locked everything down and people complied and stayed put. They did have really good contact tracing as well.
Which may produce low death counts in the short term, but is this really advantageous given that the virus is endemic, and everyone will eventually be exposed to it?
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
This is what pisses me off the most, we should know fucking everything about this disease and which responses from which countries offer the best solution but they've made it their mission to distort reality and it makes me question everything.
Kind of, sort of. Japan officially cant take legal action against non-compliance at the National level, but they can leverage massive social pressure instead. Its for this reason that Japan de jure didnt shutdown, and their shutdown consisted of them asking business owners to close (which they did).
Also, mask wearing is pretty hit and miss. Humidity means they wipe the mask with their hands and then their face next. Or lower the mask and walk around. The mask situation is actually a lot less than "every one wears a mask all the time" as the narrative goes.
Also consider the pressure first world EU associated countries have from CDC and WHO to include with COVID deaths in their reporting. This is easily the largest contributor to the death count.
Another confounding variable is when the deaths occurred vs when HCQ came into use. Iran and Italy had very early outbreaks, IIRC before much of anything was known about HCQ treatment. It would be disingenuous to label those as HCQ countries unless we look only at the time frame after they started prescribing it. OTOH, India's outbreaks started very late and they have been using HCQ basically from the beginning.
I'm gonna say that I'm skeptical on this one. India has people die at home en masse from inadequate medical care normally from things like malaria and pneumonia, which HCQ treats as well. It's just as possible that India has no idea how many people in their slums packed 6x more than NYC are actually dying from Covid-19. They don't test very much either, so it's not like they really know how many deaths they do or don't have.
This, really. The U.S. has been counting traffic fatalities and gunshot deaths as "COVID-19 related" because hospitals get reimbursed more for WuFlu cases. Meanwhile, Mexico and India are third-world shitholes.
Thailand is another one -- when reports started coming out about people getting sick there, the government said "whoa! all news reports must now come through our centralized national government office!" and suddenly absolutely no one was catching it much less dying from it -- even while people were posting on Zuckbook and Plobbit about their mothers going into the hospital with pneumonia and being refused virus testing. The "holy crap nobody got it in Thailand!" meme is solely due to massive government censorship there.
Only issue is it's missing some key countries like spain and Italy. That's what came to my mind it will come to anyone else that would try to break this down or debate it.
I mean look, they don't want to cure AIDS or stop the spread of mosquitoes that can carry malaria either. The Clinton Foundation and Haiti. It's called Socialism and money laundering ponzi schemes
HCQ is more effective in the early stages of infection, and to prevent contraction initially. This is exactly why Tony and Bill don't want you to have it. They want a higher death count and more people past the window of effectiveness.
SUCH A GREAT FUCKING POINT PEDE!!!!! Thank you, these people truly are evil!!!!!!! We need to do everything we possibly can to prevent them from stealing the election this November!!!! The commies are actively trying to take over our country! Joseph Mcarthy was right
-Demonrats have been in bed with the CCP for decades (Bill Clinton, Hildebeast Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Dr Fauci, etc)
-Both (Demonrats & CCP) hate Trump
-Both hate a Constitutional Republic America
-2020 Election year
-Demonrats blocked the border wall
-Demonrats blocked banning immigration from certain nations
-Demonrats don't support HCQ to cure
I mean how many pieces of evidence do you need? Demonrats aren't ever going to admit "yes we took advantage of the CCP virus, made it worse, to make sure Drumpf loses"
Two failed impeachment’s over ridiculous bullshit that was found untrue and ironically the Democrats were found to be committing. Censoring the name Eric Ciarmella, and now censoring doctors who support hydroxychloroquine to combat this China virus. Because they want destabilization, low morale (no church or work) and high death for a cash flow for a vaccine.
I will be editing this comment as I think of more thins.
I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships.
They probably don’t have good testing capability to confirm a death +/-
Those countries are authoritarian and can force draconian lockdowns unimaginable here in the US significantly reducing infection and death rate.
Authoritarian governments tend to lie about deaths and numbers.
Iran uses hydroxychlorquine and they still have/had a bunch of deaths. Same with Brazil
Another point I would like to add is that the obesity rate in these counties is much much lower than in the US. And covid ravages fat and old people.
The 2005 hydroxychlorquine study that is being quoted with Dr. Fauci’s name on it is done in vitro. The problem is just because a drug works in vitro doesn’t mean it will work in in vilo. In vitro means outside the body. IE: like a virus and a couple cells in a plate/vial. In vilo means in the body. There have been tons of drugs which worked in vitro but failed completely when used on real people.
Excellent observations. Im not discrediting the OP, but excellent observations nonetheless. Regardless of whether I like it or not, I always seek the truth and try to find out why data is what it is - even if its not helping my cause. I want to be correct and accurate.
I don’t agree that it will literally kill you. That’s the rhetoric that bothers me when the drug is used for a lot of things. It’s a decision that should be made between a patient and a doctor and shouldn’t be politicized the way it has. Right to try!
The plan or aim is not to stop or even "cure" the virus. Never was. The virus gives control to people that either should have that much control in a country (local or regional government). Or is giving control to medical scientists that don't care what effects their measures have outside the virus.
So you end up seeing them destroying whole industries based on what they think is going to happen. Rather what is happening. Or if you are really unlucky you have socialists just wanting to destroy whole industries.
The issue America has is its an election year and they want to steal the election. Also, they want to set up for a quick switch over in parts of America to a full-on socialist rule.
What’s the indices on the y axis? Also, how do we juxtapose this info with the amount of testing by country? Serious question, not trying to discredit this.
Edit: well I played around with some math from this chart: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries 10th column over Deaths/1M pop. USA is 478 per million with the best testing in the world, so 0.048% basically a bad flu. India is 28 with 4x the population and probably less widespread testing for all communities, but if that’s right we’re talking about 0.0028% per million dead. If that’s right then that’s less than the number of people who die from pneumonia in the US every year per million (roughly 1 mil out of 330 mil).
For 30 years I’ve heard the left bitching about the evil profiteering drug companies. But now Veklury ($2300 per course) is awesome and out-of-patent Plaquenil/Zithromax/zinc ($15 per course) is bad.
When France plateau'ed, was that when Dr. Didier Raoult came to the conclusion that HCQ should be used to treat the virus? I know that he suggested France use HCQ then everyone in France was practically praising him out in the streets as he tries to "escape" in his car?
This will not be a popular post here, but I’ve spent the last month looking at case mortality rates.
That’s the percentage of confirmed cases in which the person dies.
You can’t draw a lot of detailed conclusions, because Different countries and states have different criteria for reporting, and the amount of testing changes.
If you do a lot of testing, you report more cases, and the mortality rate goes down.
In the United States, in the early weeks, the rate was almost 10 percent. There was not much testing. Now we have lots of testing, and the rate has fallen to about two percent. In some states, it’s around one percent.
Since nine out of ten cases have no symptoms, or are not reported, the true mortality rate in the US is more like 0.1 or 0.2 percent.
My point is, I have looked at India’s data, and its case mortality rate is 3.4 percent. That’s the rate for confirmed cases, not including unreported cases.
Considering how reporting methods differ, that’s well within the usual range for countries. Unfortunately, India is just starting the upward curve, and will have more cases.
I don't believe any of these numbers I see on the news. every single major media source save Fox is controlled by CCP and is lying in their interest. sad af how we have no idea what the real numbers are because of how compromised the media has become. I think eventually it would get so bad as to where there is a full blown Chinese invasion on the west coast and most of the country wouldn't even be aware because the media is calling it a "myth"
Remember this. This is a small sampling of what could happen in the future. Democrats politicize a life saving drug to spite Trump. Next, if we do something else they don't like, they will withhold another drug. In venezuela, their dictator withheld medicine and supplies unless you vote for him. Heaven forbid these people ever get in.
Is there a reason that you CAN’T FUCKING LINK TO THE SOURCE DATA when you post a chart like this? I can’t repost/share without verifying the source and digging through the OurWorldInData.org website for 20 minutes has been futile. Hate to be a whiny little bitch, but c’mon. Fuck
There are links in the comments. The source is in the data. The chart is extracted from a Twitter post image.Sorry, I don't have the specific query handy, but I know the source and there are other queries I've run on individual countries which support the results. I am working on a Power BI which pulls together policy data, demographics and death results, but not sure how useful that will be that is since people will just accuse me of fabricating the input data.
The best source is to simply use the c19study.com site as most all of the same info is there. I will post a Power BI public site this weekend, but again most people will just discount the data like that other poster who tried to claim Italy & Spain were using HCQ throughout when they already had accumulated 80% of their deaths and only used it for intubation.
Even the death results are screwed up now, because the local health authorities are going back and doing death certificate matching for anybody who had a symptom of COVID and adding them to the totals for the day discovered even if it was months ago.
Even DuckDuckGo is now useless to try to find any positive information on HCQ or anything that is not liberal. The search engines are completely compromised now. We're in a war. If you want to win, we all have to invest significant time and learn how to work with the data on our own. Like it or not, the only place to get really good info now is via Twitter by following Hydroxychloroquine news, COVID19Crusher, EthicalSkeptic, Hold2, Gummi Bear, and Dr. Todaro.
Dr Fauci's National Institutes for Health published an article back in August 2005 regarding SARs (another series of Coronavirus) and how HCQ acted as a potential cure.
Background info comes from this tweet, but the direct source is from using the worldindata site. Easy to verify that the death rates and policy characterizations of countries using, restricting are correct. Hydroxychloroquine News account on Twitter & Covid Crusher provide details of listed countries. https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1290037158628089856?s=20 Another link with supporting studies is here. https://c19study.com/
I am pretty certain the CCP is using HCQ in Chynah. Meaning they might know something we dont.
In Brazil-HCQ used early decreased the covid death rate by 75%
https://truthabouthcq.com/hcq-works/
Look up Filipe Rafaeli he did a bigass article on HQC with lots of public data and sources. Primary article was on Medium in Portuguese but was taken down I think.
'Member when Tom Hanks' wife got the China Virus and admitted to using HCQ, but insisted that it was impossible to say whether her rapid turnaround in condition was thanks to the drug or not. The elites take it to save themselves while telling the commoners it's ineffective.
And... you're right!
CPP Officials have been taking HCQ - Epoch Times Hong Kong
Exactly. Like I said in another comment, we can pretty much guarantee that Democratic politicians have all taken it, but ban Americans from taking it. They're hypocrites!
See my other comment in here, but I have a public pamphlet straight from China that says HCQ is one of their treatments for COVID. I don't know if they're actually using is, but to be fair, they weren't hiding it.
I think it's important to get info like this straight, because if China is open about telling its people about HCQ that makes it even more damning for the Democrats who are suppressing it here.
Can you get a picture? I'd like to see what it says.
We do know it, that’s the point. Trump took HCQ. It’s been known effective against corona viruses for ages. It’s cheap, it’s available, it’s relatively safe.
It was too perfect a solution for the problem they wanted to create.
Why do you think the leftist media is so hard-on against it? We’re at war with China, have been for decades, we just don’t seem to want to acknowledge the fact that it’s on and that we’re losing.
where's india and brazil?
Wasn't it Brazil that a hospital was completely empty and under construction which had been submitting death numbers? Who knows how skewed their numbers are.
There are several examples from Brazil. I have only seen a few myself and heard of others. That was one example I saw myself.
My thoughts exactly. Spain and Italy have been using HQC but their death per capita are extremely high. Not saying HQC doesn't work but just wondering what conditions are different there that are causing them to have so many death even with the use of the drug.
Edit: just checked the stats, both countries deaths started PLUMMETING in late march, wondering if that is when they picked up using HQC.
Well that’s also when hospitals weren’t overloaded anymore. You know, the main reason we shut down was to prevent overload to hospitals for that reason
Great sourcing and data!!
Can we have some people try their hardest to honestly debunk this please? If this is accurate then I'm gonna be spreading this absolutely everywhere.
I'll also be trying to pull apart the numbers here to make sure we've got this one right.
There's nothing worse than sharing misinformation, we hate when the left does it and I refuse to be a hypocrite, especially when it comes to advocating for life or death medication.
Holy fuck. Where the fuck have you guys been the past few months? We have known of HCQ since the first to second week of lockdowns. We have been posting studies proving its effectiveness in droves, if you are looking for the WHO or CDC approved-studies then you will NEVER get those.
This leads me to believe you guys arent real supporters and most likely shills
Shut the fuck up, I've seen the same stuff you have, I've been following this stuff for months too and I've always thought that HCQ was pretty much the cure.
I requested some solid data to share, this chart looks too good to be true and some of the responses I've received suggest that that might be the case, that doesn't mean that HCQ doesn't work.
If I caught Covid you can guarantee I'd be begging my doctor for HCQ and Zinc.
If the drug did not work, India would have millions dead by now.
Look at Dr. Armstrong’s data from a Texas nursing home. These people have zero reserve and 98% that got treated early survived. One out of 38 died. That’s sealed it for me
The chart is accurate. Go to worldometers Coronavirus site and sort descending by cases and compare the death per millions of you want to verify.
Dios mio. Stop calling anyone a shill right away. We are not on reddit anymore, discussion and VERIFICATION are a good thing, before spreading misinformation, which happens easily.
Seriously. Its like everyone forgot about that crazy looking french doctor all if a sudden. Shills for sure.
My stepmother takes HCQ regularly. According to her, she needs a doctor to monitor her constantly for heart problems caused by it.
That's probably the justification the REEEEE squad is using.
There are a ton of medications that cause "prolonged QT interval". This is the side effect they claim makes HCQ so dangerous.
Prozac, Zoloft, every antidepressant, every anti-psychotic drastically increases chances of QT interval significantly more than HCQ does.
They give anti-depressants to teenagers and even kids without a second thought. They hand this stuff out like candy and there are over 30million Americans on them last time I changed. Where's the "MUH QT INTERVAL!?!?" for that? (antidepressants are taken everyday for years, not a temporary short term like HCQ also)
Hydroxychloroquine has been approved for over 60 years. It has been approved for pregnant women. Aspirin has a long list of side effects as well.
those drugs dont enhance mood. the sad thing is, often they dont work and IMO the theory behind it is all flawed.
nobody looks for the real causes of mental illness anymore, and innately assume some chemical imbalance -- which may exist but is constantly in flux. instead they hand out drugs and rely on patient reporting to see if its 'effective'
now this can work with even placebo -- I dont think most patients actually would know what improvement themselves, or what the cause was. I dont think that reporting is trustworthy. its not when people Lie to get pills to sell by doctor shopping.
im not saying they dont EVER work, but you dont necessarily know if youve caused a WORSE imbalance by fucking with it without ever trying to find and fix the actual causes in some form of actual psychotherapy where the individual can learn to change their life and get past it.
90% of the time they hand out drugs to kids, they dont even need it. they need something else that doesnt get looked at or measured. and then it fucks you up even worse, not only mentally but causing terrible physical side effects.
in a lot of ways, if your functional enough your better off NOT taking antidepressants or most of these antipsychotic type drugs. some have permanent side effects -- esp the stuff they use "off label" and in rehabs and mental hospitals. some side effects include permanent tremors after quitting (i.e. brain damage)
stuff like electroshock therapy is still used for "depression"
none of this is right in my opinion. psychoanalysis has been abandoned as 'inaccurate' and its pretty much behaviorism and drugs to control people.
these companies just love using ineffective things that SEEM to work but cause TERRIBLE addiction. its just legal addiction to their shit. Like take suboxone, its evil. they lie about it. for one, the naloxone never binds and was complete fraud. bupe binds so strongly it knocks off naloxone so its still 100% injectible.
the controlled market for 'doctors' doesnt teach them the truth and they never look for signs of people shooting it to save money (doesnt get you high, you just use less sell your script on the street make bank). and they limit patients to intentionally fester a black market supply chain where like i said, people lie and get too much to sell to others. EASILY. even some of the doctors are corrupt, doubling as pain management doctors.
worse yet, the addiction to that drug is easily closer to methadone than dope. a dope addict might be able to replace dope with it, but instead of being sick for 2 weeks, your gonna be sick for at least 2 months. Good luck getting off of it.
I question whether it makes people feel better or if they just think they do. I dont believe they do. the side effects any time i tried made my life hell even of basic antidepressants. and ive seen worse in my time than that even being regularly used probably without proper cause of investigation.
edit: Yes I did openly accuse reckitt and benickiser of fraud to pass FDA approval. I think it should be investigated and also the course approval program needs to end so general physicians can prescribe to those in need if its still found effective -- that way it doesnt lead to an intentional black market system where patients fake it to get more than they need, abuse the medication to make it last longer, and sell it for massive profits to pay for the private dr. visits.
if you dont believe me ask one of your boys in blue how often they arrest people selling and using it IV and then tell me this is all inaccurate then. rehabs even tell people its ok to buy it on the street before you can get a script. its that fucking corrupt.
nobody will listen probably, but a lot of this shit needs to get investigated probably in more areas.
And the thing people don't realize or aren't talking about, is doctors who have been prescribing this drug have said the side effects are almost universally with long term use. At a higher dosage than is being used for covid. People won't be taking hydroxychloroquine long term
Azithromycin causes it; this is why the combination is dangerous. TBQPH I would suggest doxycycline instead.
I don't see the need for an antibiotic when the HCQ is given early before pneumonia sets in.
I wondered this too. If taking HCQ + Zinc as a prophylactic, why is the antibiotic necessary?
From what I understand, the antibiotic is given along with the HCQ +Zinc because a bacterial infection is incredibly common with viral respiratory infections. The virus strips protective cells in the throat or more less. So once you realize you're sick with the virus you may already have a vulnerability for new bacteria.
I don't think the antibiotic would be given as a prophylactic, especially since we all are very much against overuse of antibiotics.
Doxycycline doesn't do anything.
Yeah. This is why you do ECG before prescribing and repeat it during treatment. Unless the patient has abnormal qt interval , it is given.
What dose and with what regularity? All reports Ive seen saynit only takes a small amount of HCQ to carry the zinc into the cell, and not for a prolonged period of time.
Tricor will be the next big one to come out as effective against covid 19. Wait and see
Ibuprofen will give you all sorts of problems if you use it every day too.
Not true, her eyes get monitored for retinopathy- which never occurs
Would be better to have a statistician (someone who analyzes data) over a medical doctor (someone who treats patients). First, other variables covary. Off the top of my head, the countries that restrict it are first-world, and the HCQ countries are not. First world countries may be more rigorous in how they test and classify Covid deaths. It could also be first-world countries instituted aid packages that financially incentivized hospitals to classify deaths as Covid (and that's why we see car crash victims being classified as Covid deaths if they test positive post-mortem). Then there is the combination of increased testing, the incentivization, and the fact some if these tests are notorious for false positives (giving a positive result when the person doesn't have Covid).
Then there are the randomized trials that showed somewhat discouraging results for HCQ. If the effect in the data presented in the graph above are real, then how are they using HCQ differently than in the trial studies?
Geographic location may covary as well. Vitamin d deficiency may predict severity of symptoms as the nonHCQ countries tend to be in colder climates with less sun exposure (sunlight spurs natural vitamin d on the body)
There is some evidence that HCQ would work as a preventative measure if taken with zinc as it shows some effectiveness when taken early in the illness. So it might be advisable for a vulnerable person (elderly person on poor health) to take it during and after going to an event that will expose them. However, if the person is already severely ill, then remesivir appears to be the better option as while it does have some pretty significant side effects, it does appear to reduce mortality in controlled studies.The short answer is we still don't know.
Keep in mind that none of this matters for most people as the virus has a mortality rate that is effectively zero for those under 45 and damn close to zero for those between 45 and 70. For them, the symptoms tend to range from mild to moderate (like a cold or mild flu). So, if you are in this group, get your exercise and some sun exposure and that should be all the protection you need against Covid.
I'm a data architect with a PhD in the area of automation for machine learning architectures. I hold data science and machine learning certifications. I have to be anonymous because I'm a contractor for the DoD so please don't try to figure out who I am or I will have to delete my account. Understand about all that regarding correlation not equal causation, other features in datasets having impacts, etc. But the deltas between implementation impacts are too high to be explainable by other causes, particularly when you factor in dates of policy changes and subsequent impacts.
Tons of doc Pedes have already said it.
I asked a family member who has been a pharmacist for 25 years early on if hcq was safe. She said I've been prescribing it forever, it's been off patent for 50 years... totally safe and cheap. That was enough evidence for me.
Here's info about India's use. https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/india-not-to-stop-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-in-mild-cases/articleshow/76416288.cms
Re Italy and Spain, they didn't start using it until after most of their deaths already happened and even then it was quite restricted.
Graph linked below is a screen shot from worldometers Coronavirus sorted by number of cases descending. I'm a data architect and a PhD with almost 40 years of experience, not a doctor. I don't need some so called scientist bribed by a drug company to tell me how to interpret what the data clearly says. https://twitter.com/IKneeltoJesus/status/1290287722007916545?s=20
Because it had been requested in the comments. I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships. They probably don’t have good testing capability to confirm a death +/- Those countries are authoritarian and can force draconian lockdowns unimaginable here in the US. Authoritarian governments tend to lie about deaths and numbers. Iran uses hydroxychlorquine and they still have/had a bunch of deaths.
Exactly. You can't compare a Western country with the numbers produced by a shithole. Unlike in the US, in many countries chinavirus deaths are severely undercounted (especially in China). No test, no COVID-19 death. That's because, unlike the US, most place don't give special funding based on chinavirus deaths so there's no interest in inflating the numbers.
I'm not sure if any other country is using hydroxy etc. on regular basis. I do know Italy and France tried it, but I'm not sure they use it on regular basis.
Also our side is arguing that hydroxychloroquine works only in combination with other things; that probably explains why earlier studies with it alone were not successful.
India Has widespread use.
You know what India doesn't have a widespread use of?
Toilets.
Kind of irrelevant, because last I read it doesn't spread through blood, urine or poo.
It's relevant because you don't want to take lessons for a country that has less civilization than Rome 2000 years ago.
God only knows how many cases of chinavirus there are in India.
And yet they have voter ID
Well, it's like China. There are literally over a billion people in India, so you'd think if it were this severe we'd be seeing death rates through the roof -- just like China should be.
I'm not going to say hydroxychloroquine is the end all, be all but it certainly looks like a better route than intubation and shit.
Their immune systems are generally a lot stronger too, they fight off more disease without the medicines we use.
France banded it in Jan except for Dr. Roault who’s death rate was 0.04% instead of 19%
Also a lot of the countries with more reliable reporting and lower deaths tend to be those where masks are historically part of their culture.
Now, I personally have no idea if masks are a net positive or negative, but I did notice this trend when comparing countries. Like how do Japan and South Korea of such crazy low deaths? I guess it could come down to contact tracing and other more draconian measures too.
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
I could run simple experiments to answer these questions and have conclusive results in a month at most. It's unbelievable.
Japan and South Korea are mega cucked to their government. They made people wear masks and locked everything down and people complied and stayed put. They did have really good contact tracing as well.
Which may produce low death counts in the short term, but is this really advantageous given that the virus is endemic, and everyone will eventually be exposed to it?
COVID-19 mainly kills the elderly, with obesity as major factor. Japan and Korea have a healthy elderly population that's well cared for.
This is what pisses me off the most, we should know fucking everything about this disease and which responses from which countries offer the best solution but they've made it their mission to distort reality and it makes me question everything.
Japan and Thailand use HCQ IIRC. Both have abysmally low rates of catching the commie coof.
They also are pretty authoritarian in their social distancing and quarantine and everyone wears masks.
Kind of, sort of. Japan officially cant take legal action against non-compliance at the National level, but they can leverage massive social pressure instead. Its for this reason that Japan de jure didnt shutdown, and their shutdown consisted of them asking business owners to close (which they did).
Also, mask wearing is pretty hit and miss. Humidity means they wipe the mask with their hands and then their face next. Or lower the mask and walk around. The mask situation is actually a lot less than "every one wears a mask all the time" as the narrative goes.
Mask wearing when you're sick has also been part of a lot of Asian cultures, especially Japan, for decades or longer.
It's a little different for them from here.
Good suggestion.
Also consider the pressure first world EU associated countries have from CDC and WHO to include with COVID deaths in their reporting. This is easily the largest contributor to the death count.
Bingo.
Another confounding variable is when the deaths occurred vs when HCQ came into use. Iran and Italy had very early outbreaks, IIRC before much of anything was known about HCQ treatment. It would be disingenuous to label those as HCQ countries unless we look only at the time frame after they started prescribing it. OTOH, India's outbreaks started very late and they have been using HCQ basically from the beginning.
The way I read it, it's per million people (general population), NOT per million infected.
This is right...would be really odd if it were ever by million infected.
In the news today the UK are just starting to introduce the test that gives results in 90 minutes so positives will probably rise
Holy Christ load this on surface to air redpills and LAUNCH
Is this accurate?
Source?
This should be plastered everywhere if it’s true and I mean literally we must print millions of copies and fly it everywhere
I'm gonna say that I'm skeptical on this one. India has people die at home en masse from inadequate medical care normally from things like malaria and pneumonia, which HCQ treats as well. It's just as possible that India has no idea how many people in their slums packed 6x more than NYC are actually dying from Covid-19. They don't test very much either, so it's not like they really know how many deaths they do or don't have.
This, really. The U.S. has been counting traffic fatalities and gunshot deaths as "COVID-19 related" because hospitals get reimbursed more for WuFlu cases. Meanwhile, Mexico and India are third-world shitholes.
Thailand is another one -- when reports started coming out about people getting sick there, the government said "whoa! all news reports must now come through our centralized national government office!" and suddenly absolutely no one was catching it much less dying from it -- even while people were posting on Zuckbook and Plobbit about their mothers going into the hospital with pneumonia and being refused virus testing. The "holy crap nobody got it in Thailand!" meme is solely due to massive government censorship there.
The post above you has the sauce mate.
Only issue is it's missing some key countries like spain and Italy. That's what came to my mind it will come to anyone else that would try to break this down or debate it.
I sense a Kermit meme somewhere...
Well that and horrific crimes against humanity. But yeah, also that.
HCQ Works and the left doesn't want a cure. They want more death just so they can say "Look at how horribly Trump handled the virus".
They'll do anything for power.
I mean look, they don't want to cure AIDS or stop the spread of mosquitoes that can carry malaria either. The Clinton Foundation and Haiti. It's called Socialism and money laundering ponzi schemes
HCQ is more effective in the early stages of infection, and to prevent contraction initially. This is exactly why Tony and Bill don't want you to have it. They want a higher death count and more people past the window of effectiveness.
SUCH A GREAT FUCKING POINT PEDE!!!!! Thank you, these people truly are evil!!!!!!! We need to do everything we possibly can to prevent them from stealing the election this November!!!! The commies are actively trying to take over our country! Joseph Mcarthy was right
Bottom line, Demoncraps purposely murdered American Citizens for political reasons. No other explanation, PERIOD!
The tree of liberty is thirsty if that turns out to be true.
Sure it's true
-Demonrats have been in bed with the CCP for decades (Bill Clinton, Hildebeast Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Dr Fauci, etc)
-Both (Demonrats & CCP) hate Trump
-Both hate a Constitutional Republic America
-2020 Election year
-Demonrats blocked the border wall
-Demonrats blocked banning immigration from certain nations
-Demonrats don't support HCQ to cure
I mean how many pieces of evidence do you need? Demonrats aren't ever going to admit "yes we took advantage of the CCP virus, made it worse, to make sure Drumpf loses"
Two failed impeachment’s over ridiculous bullshit that was found untrue and ironically the Democrats were found to be committing. Censoring the name Eric Ciarmella, and now censoring doctors who support hydroxychloroquine to combat this China virus. Because they want destabilization, low morale (no church or work) and high death for a cash flow for a vaccine.
Because it had been requested in the comments.
I will be editing this comment as I think of more thins.
I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships.
Excellent observations. Im not discrediting the OP, but excellent observations nonetheless. Regardless of whether I like it or not, I always seek the truth and try to find out why data is what it is - even if its not helping my cause. I want to be correct and accurate.
People keep pointing to Brazil. However, their numbers are most likely skewed as well.
Fair bet those countries aren't also counting every rando who dies as a Covid 19 death either.
Maybe HCQ fucks up White People. Just sayen.
They'd be airdropping it into the suburbs if that were the case.
You've clearly never been to the Ukraine.
And France is practically Iran these days.
I don’t agree that it will literally kill you. That’s the rhetoric that bothers me when the drug is used for a lot of things. It’s a decision that should be made between a patient and a doctor and shouldn’t be politicized the way it has. Right to try!
We're 2 months from flu season, time for everyone to freak out again.
Flu and pneumonia deaths are being counted as Covid19 deaths.
If HCQ works then why is Trump still talking about a vaccine?
Because our big pharma BOSS rulz the narrative.
The plan or aim is not to stop or even "cure" the virus. Never was. The virus gives control to people that either should have that much control in a country (local or regional government). Or is giving control to medical scientists that don't care what effects their measures have outside the virus.
So you end up seeing them destroying whole industries based on what they think is going to happen. Rather what is happening. Or if you are really unlucky you have socialists just wanting to destroy whole industries.
The issue America has is its an election year and they want to steal the election. Also, they want to set up for a quick switch over in parts of America to a full-on socialist rule.
"Why are you making this a political issue!!??!?"
Shut the fuck up and stick cnn back on your virtual reality headset, you worthless sack of shit.
Sweden had a bunch of people die in the beginning but they seem to have flattened the curve and seem to have herd immunity now.
What’s the indices on the y axis? Also, how do we juxtapose this info with the amount of testing by country? Serious question, not trying to discredit this.
Edit: well I played around with some math from this chart: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries 10th column over Deaths/1M pop. USA is 478 per million with the best testing in the world, so 0.048% basically a bad flu. India is 28 with 4x the population and probably less widespread testing for all communities, but if that’s right we’re talking about 0.0028% per million dead. If that’s right then that’s less than the number of people who die from pneumonia in the US every year per million (roughly 1 mil out of 330 mil).
For 30 years I’ve heard the left bitching about the evil profiteering drug companies. But now Veklury ($2300 per course) is awesome and out-of-patent Plaquenil/Zithromax/zinc ($15 per course) is bad.
When there is a political gain to be made, the left will go to bed with the "evil profiteering drug companies"
https://c19study.com/ This page sources the 66 studies on HCQ so far.
The very fact this India isn't swimming in dead bodies rotting in piles in the streets is telling me that something is definitely going on.
Left a few countries of that list but yes. India basically handed the pills out like candy.
the biggest question is who wants the western countries to suffer
Dare I say it? The science is settled!
VERY unscientific of you! Got HCQ and ZINC though?
When France plateau'ed, was that when Dr. Didier Raoult came to the conclusion that HCQ should be used to treat the virus? I know that he suggested France use HCQ then everyone in France was practically praising him out in the streets as he tries to "escape" in his car?
This will not be a popular post here, but I’ve spent the last month looking at case mortality rates.
That’s the percentage of confirmed cases in which the person dies.
You can’t draw a lot of detailed conclusions, because Different countries and states have different criteria for reporting, and the amount of testing changes.
If you do a lot of testing, you report more cases, and the mortality rate goes down.
In the United States, in the early weeks, the rate was almost 10 percent. There was not much testing. Now we have lots of testing, and the rate has fallen to about two percent. In some states, it’s around one percent.
Since nine out of ten cases have no symptoms, or are not reported, the true mortality rate in the US is more like 0.1 or 0.2 percent.
My point is, I have looked at India’s data, and its case mortality rate is 3.4 percent. That’s the rate for confirmed cases, not including unreported cases.
Considering how reporting methods differ, that’s well within the usual range for countries. Unfortunately, India is just starting the upward curve, and will have more cases.
I don't believe any of these numbers I see on the news. every single major media source save Fox is controlled by CCP and is lying in their interest. sad af how we have no idea what the real numbers are because of how compromised the media has become. I think eventually it would get so bad as to where there is a full blown Chinese invasion on the west coast and most of the country wouldn't even be aware because the media is calling it a "myth"
2005 NIH study on effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine on SARS type viruses. They’ve known for 15 years.
Drugs that work in vitro don’t always work in vilo. I’ve pointed it out in my counter post.
Remember this. This is a small sampling of what could happen in the future. Democrats politicize a life saving drug to spite Trump. Next, if we do something else they don't like, they will withhold another drug. In venezuela, their dictator withheld medicine and supplies unless you vote for him. Heaven forbid these people ever get in.
Trump has to sack Dr. Birx and Fauci. They are in bed with Bill Gates, who wants to become king of big pharma.
The people who restrict access to this drug are guilty of 1st-degree murder.
Is there a reason that you CAN’T FUCKING LINK TO THE SOURCE DATA when you post a chart like this? I can’t repost/share without verifying the source and digging through the OurWorldInData.org website for 20 minutes has been futile. Hate to be a whiny little bitch, but c’mon. Fuck
There are links in the comments. The source is in the data. The chart is extracted from a Twitter post image.Sorry, I don't have the specific query handy, but I know the source and there are other queries I've run on individual countries which support the results. I am working on a Power BI which pulls together policy data, demographics and death results, but not sure how useful that will be that is since people will just accuse me of fabricating the input data.
The best source is to simply use the c19study.com site as most all of the same info is there. I will post a Power BI public site this weekend, but again most people will just discount the data like that other poster who tried to claim Italy & Spain were using HCQ throughout when they already had accumulated 80% of their deaths and only used it for intubation.
Even the death results are screwed up now, because the local health authorities are going back and doing death certificate matching for anybody who had a symptom of COVID and adding them to the totals for the day discovered even if it was months ago.
Even DuckDuckGo is now useless to try to find any positive information on HCQ or anything that is not liberal. The search engines are completely compromised now. We're in a war. If you want to win, we all have to invest significant time and learn how to work with the data on our own. Like it or not, the only place to get really good info now is via Twitter by following Hydroxychloroquine news, COVID19Crusher, EthicalSkeptic, Hold2, Gummi Bear, and Dr. Todaro.
Their hypocrisy knows no end.
https://i.imgur.com/rZeprjq.png
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/07/06/high-profile-european-pathologist-no-one-has-died-from-coronavirus/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGd7-vvd9Y
Where did Italy go ? They were one of the first high case count countries
Ourworlddata is bullshit.
I don't see how you ban something with no bad side effects because orange man bad
This link helps to verify OP's graph as well: https://americandigitalnews.com/index.php/2020/07/30/covid-19-the-cure/
In other news, this is also surfacing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/?fbclid=IwAR2tZcMydTYfGxI59fXuraTKnh_6RKfH6lwplaj9sBPzGhkpVE2IOxWO5j0
Dr Fauci's National Institutes for Health published an article back in August 2005 regarding SARs (another series of Coronavirus) and how HCQ acted as a potential cure.
It's so fucking disgusting.
France literally stopped testing for covid... no wonder their numbers stopped going up. India also does not test.
We will ignore this truth and make up some facts.