Because it had been requested in the comments.
I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships.
They probably don’t have good testing capability to confirm a death +/-
Those countries are authoritarian and can force draconian lockdowns unimaginable here in the US.
Authoritarian governments tend to lie about deaths and numbers.
Iran uses hydroxychlorquine and they still have/had a bunch of deaths.
Exactly. You can't compare a Western country with the numbers produced by a shithole. Unlike in the US, in many countries chinavirus deaths are severely undercounted (especially in China). No test, no COVID-19 death.
That's because, unlike the US, most place don't give special funding based on chinavirus deaths so there's no interest in inflating the numbers.
I'm not sure if any other country is using hydroxy etc. on regular basis. I do know Italy and France tried it, but I'm not sure they use it on regular basis.
Also our side is arguing that hydroxychloroquine works only in combination with other things; that probably explains why earlier studies with it alone were not successful.
Also a lot of the countries with more reliable reporting and lower deaths tend to be those where masks are historically part of their culture.
Now, I personally have no idea if masks are a net positive or negative, but I did notice this trend when comparing countries. Like how do Japan and South Korea of such crazy low deaths? I guess it could come down to contact tracing and other more draconian measures too.
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
I could run simple experiments to answer these questions and have conclusive results in a month at most. It's unbelievable.
Japan and South Korea are mega cucked to their government. They made people wear masks and locked everything down and people complied and stayed put. They did have really good contact tracing as well.
Which may produce low death counts in the short term, but is this really advantageous given that the virus is endemic, and everyone will eventually be exposed to it?
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
This is what pisses me off the most, we should know fucking everything about this disease and which responses from which countries offer the best solution but they've made it their mission to distort reality and it makes me question everything.
Kind of, sort of. Japan officially cant take legal action against non-compliance at the National level, but they can leverage massive social pressure instead. Its for this reason that Japan de jure didnt shutdown, and their shutdown consisted of them asking business owners to close (which they did).
Also, mask wearing is pretty hit and miss. Humidity means they wipe the mask with their hands and then their face next. Or lower the mask and walk around. The mask situation is actually a lot less than "every one wears a mask all the time" as the narrative goes.
Also consider the pressure first world EU associated countries have from CDC and WHO to include with COVID deaths in their reporting. This is easily the largest contributor to the death count.
Another confounding variable is when the deaths occurred vs when HCQ came into use. Iran and Italy had very early outbreaks, IIRC before much of anything was known about HCQ treatment. It would be disingenuous to label those as HCQ countries unless we look only at the time frame after they started prescribing it. OTOH, India's outbreaks started very late and they have been using HCQ basically from the beginning.
Because it had been requested in the comments. I’m going to be the devils advocate because I’m a nurse. But most of those countries are shit holes and dictatorships. They probably don’t have good testing capability to confirm a death +/- Those countries are authoritarian and can force draconian lockdowns unimaginable here in the US. Authoritarian governments tend to lie about deaths and numbers. Iran uses hydroxychlorquine and they still have/had a bunch of deaths.
Exactly. You can't compare a Western country with the numbers produced by a shithole. Unlike in the US, in many countries chinavirus deaths are severely undercounted (especially in China). No test, no COVID-19 death. That's because, unlike the US, most place don't give special funding based on chinavirus deaths so there's no interest in inflating the numbers.
I'm not sure if any other country is using hydroxy etc. on regular basis. I do know Italy and France tried it, but I'm not sure they use it on regular basis.
Also our side is arguing that hydroxychloroquine works only in combination with other things; that probably explains why earlier studies with it alone were not successful.
India Has widespread use.
You know what India doesn't have a widespread use of?
Toilets.
Kind of irrelevant, because last I read it doesn't spread through blood, urine or poo.
France banded it in Jan except for Dr. Roault who’s death rate was 0.04% instead of 19%
Also a lot of the countries with more reliable reporting and lower deaths tend to be those where masks are historically part of their culture.
Now, I personally have no idea if masks are a net positive or negative, but I did notice this trend when comparing countries. Like how do Japan and South Korea of such crazy low deaths? I guess it could come down to contact tracing and other more draconian measures too.
It amazes me that this pandemic has been going on for many months now and we seem to still not know even basic things. Aren't billions of dollars being poured into this? Wtf are these people doing?
I could run simple experiments to answer these questions and have conclusive results in a month at most. It's unbelievable.
Japan and South Korea are mega cucked to their government. They made people wear masks and locked everything down and people complied and stayed put. They did have really good contact tracing as well.
Which may produce low death counts in the short term, but is this really advantageous given that the virus is endemic, and everyone will eventually be exposed to it?
COVID-19 mainly kills the elderly, with obesity as major factor. Japan and Korea have a healthy elderly population that's well cared for.
This is what pisses me off the most, we should know fucking everything about this disease and which responses from which countries offer the best solution but they've made it their mission to distort reality and it makes me question everything.
Japan and Thailand use HCQ IIRC. Both have abysmally low rates of catching the commie coof.
They also are pretty authoritarian in their social distancing and quarantine and everyone wears masks.
Kind of, sort of. Japan officially cant take legal action against non-compliance at the National level, but they can leverage massive social pressure instead. Its for this reason that Japan de jure didnt shutdown, and their shutdown consisted of them asking business owners to close (which they did).
Also, mask wearing is pretty hit and miss. Humidity means they wipe the mask with their hands and then their face next. Or lower the mask and walk around. The mask situation is actually a lot less than "every one wears a mask all the time" as the narrative goes.
Mask wearing when you're sick has also been part of a lot of Asian cultures, especially Japan, for decades or longer.
It's a little different for them from here.
Good suggestion.
Also consider the pressure first world EU associated countries have from CDC and WHO to include with COVID deaths in their reporting. This is easily the largest contributor to the death count.
Bingo.
Another confounding variable is when the deaths occurred vs when HCQ came into use. Iran and Italy had very early outbreaks, IIRC before much of anything was known about HCQ treatment. It would be disingenuous to label those as HCQ countries unless we look only at the time frame after they started prescribing it. OTOH, India's outbreaks started very late and they have been using HCQ basically from the beginning.