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I find it suspicious that Oregon went from purple to deep blue the second we went to mail in voting. That fact is even called out in the wiki as one of the positive benefits of mail in voting.
Voting shouldnt be easy. Things that are easy are worthless. Do we want voting to be worthless? The left loves to talk about their hard-on for 'democracy' but in practice they show absolutely zero respect for it
Even if you look past all the possible fraud, the USPS is too incompetent to deliver important mail even when not overwhelmed by millions of ballots. There's a reason "lost in the mail" is such a cliche.
All USPS workers get 2 weeks of covid leave as well. In detroit, 75% of workers at the sorting faculty called off when workers tested positive. The mail was stacked up to the ceiling for weeks.
They issued a retraction on that story, saying that the 28 million number included ballots never cast... and asserted that this means that there are "only" 16 million unaccounted-for ballots. Only in clown world is "only" 16 million votes lost a good thing!!
Just had a back and forth on this exact retraction. I'm being told that there is no need to look into the 16 million votes, they were simply un-cast... 16 million over over several cycles doesn't sound like a lot, but it definitely needs to be looked into.
I also, got called out for posting fake news done I posted the original 28 million story and that election fraud never happens. Quick visit here and all was confirmed that election fraud does happen.
Exactly. It's crazy that their "debunk" of the 28 million ballots story is basically, "dumb repub! It wasn't 28 million ballots, it was only 16 million ballots! No need for alarm, citizen, mail-in voting is totally fraud-free!" 🙄
I was cat sitting at a relatives last week, and they got an actual ballot in the mail. For some guy named Robert. I asked my relative who that is, and she didn’t know. It was my relatives address though, so who knows.
The problem isn’t getting wrong mail. The issue is when people come to collect ballots for people.
Example: an entire low-income neighborhood gets mail-in ballots. Some fruity soy boy offers to pick up those ballots and who knows what fuckery is afoot before they drop the ballots off at the local voting station.
In case anyone asks you, here are the differences between an "absentee ballot" and a "mail-in ballot."
Most people think it's the same thing. It is not!
Procedure varies somewhat by state, but in general:
With an absentee ballot, you have to contact the Board of Elections and give a specific reason as to why you want one. You fill it out and mail it back in. Signatures are compared because there are a relatively small number of absentee ballots used and they are sent in well ahead of time - that's the whole point.
With a mail-in ballot, you can just ask for one (no reason needed.) In some states, ballots are automatically sent out in mass mailings to anybody still on the voter rolls - even if they died, moved out of state, or are really a cat.
Once those ballots are mailed back in, there isn't the time or the manpower to check literally millions and millions of signatures. There's no verification that the person who signed it was the person who was supposed to have it, or that's it not a duplicate.
If you moved out of state last year, the Board of Elections there could send a mail-in ballot to your old address. If the new resident gets your ballot, there's nothing to stop them from filling it out, signing your name, and mailing it back in.
And there's no reason for it not to be counted, because in many states there is no verification being used. VoterID is racist, remember, so most states don't have it.
This is why you should ALWAYS vote in person if you possibly can.
Please feel free to share this info anywhere you like. Many good people are not aware of these differences and honestly don't see what the problem is. Let them know!
I've had a speeding usps truck throw my $300 Camera on my neighbor's porch while I'm running beside it saying "hey! That's the wrong address! I have id! HEY" They don't give a fuuuuuck
I currently have two missing mail/package searches in limbo with USPS. They fucking suck, don't give a shit, lie and I'm convinced they lose shit on purpose. My tinfoil side says soon your mail will be trashed based on your social score.
This debate is so idiotic. If I’m going to give you $100k in cash, do you want me to put it in the mail? Or do you want to come pick it up? Case closed.
50% of my snail-mail never gets to me.
of the addressed mail that lands in my box, fully 25% is addressed to other people.
My letter-delivery-person is literally illiterate.
Even if you could eliminate the massive electoral fraud that the Democrats are openly committing to, incompetence alone could dis-enfranchise 10-20% of legitimate voters.
It’s the same shit as muh Peach Mints, asking us to prove a negative, suck on muh dick. Oregon has only been “doing so well” because it hasn’t been caught on a massive scale yet and everyone on these polling committees are in each others pockets. Also, worth noting is with everyone getting registered we have some of the lowest voter turnout percentages whereas Alabama with some of the “strictest” voting ID laws has nigh the highest turnout rate 🤔
Out here in California. My Pastor when I was growing up was mailed a letter saying he will be reciveing a mail in ballot this election...... He passed away 15 years ago.
I find it suspicious that Oregon went from purple to deep blue the second we went to mail in voting. That fact is even called out in the wiki as one of the positive benefits of mail in voting.
Yep, they gaslight that it "makes it easier for our lazy ass worthless welfare leeches to vote."
There might even be some truth to that, who knows.
9.6% of all ballots in NJ's recent mail in only election were rejected.
I'd say that that number is statistically significant.
Voting shouldnt be easy. Things that are easy are worthless. Do we want voting to be worthless? The left loves to talk about their hard-on for 'democracy' but in practice they show absolutely zero respect for it
Mail passes through too many hands...it's ridiculous and ludicrous to think it could be secure...
Even if you look past all the possible fraud, the USPS is too incompetent to deliver important mail even when not overwhelmed by millions of ballots. There's a reason "lost in the mail" is such a cliche.
All USPS workers get 2 weeks of covid leave as well. In detroit, 75% of workers at the sorting faculty called off when workers tested positive. The mail was stacked up to the ceiling for weeks.
I get a lot of gay porn in the mail. Call me old school, but I prefer print to online.
They issued a retraction on that story, saying that the 28 million number included ballots never cast... and asserted that this means that there are "only" 16 million unaccounted-for ballots. Only in clown world is "only" 16 million votes lost a good thing!!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/06/there_were_not_28_million_missing_mail-in_ballots_143123.html
Here's the article that screencap is from, for reference: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143033.html
Just had a back and forth on this exact retraction. I'm being told that there is no need to look into the 16 million votes, they were simply un-cast... 16 million over over several cycles doesn't sound like a lot, but it definitely needs to be looked into.
I also, got called out for posting fake news done I posted the original 28 million story and that election fraud never happens. Quick visit here and all was confirmed that election fraud does happen.
Exactly. It's crazy that their "debunk" of the 28 million ballots story is basically, "dumb repub! It wasn't 28 million ballots, it was only 16 million ballots! No need for alarm, citizen, mail-in voting is totally fraud-free!" 🙄
If that is ever said, simply reply "then explain Trump/Russia, I thought you said that was fraud?"
I was cat sitting at a relatives last week, and they got an actual ballot in the mail. For some guy named Robert. I asked my relative who that is, and she didn’t know. It was my relatives address though, so who knows.
My neighbor got 2 mail-in ballots for a man who lived at that address 7 years ago and has since died.
I say after 5 days of them counting shit we storm into the counting rooms and take the ballots and demand 2 groups count.
The problem isn’t getting wrong mail. The issue is when people come to collect ballots for people.
Example: an entire low-income neighborhood gets mail-in ballots. Some fruity soy boy offers to pick up those ballots and who knows what fuckery is afoot before they drop the ballots off at the local voting station.
In case anyone asks you, here are the differences between an "absentee ballot" and a "mail-in ballot."
Most people think it's the same thing. It is not!
Procedure varies somewhat by state, but in general:
With an absentee ballot, you have to contact the Board of Elections and give a specific reason as to why you want one. You fill it out and mail it back in. Signatures are compared because there are a relatively small number of absentee ballots used and they are sent in well ahead of time - that's the whole point.
With a mail-in ballot, you can just ask for one (no reason needed.) In some states, ballots are automatically sent out in mass mailings to anybody still on the voter rolls - even if they died, moved out of state, or are really a cat.
Once those ballots are mailed back in, there isn't the time or the manpower to check literally millions and millions of signatures. There's no verification that the person who signed it was the person who was supposed to have it, or that's it not a duplicate.
If you moved out of state last year, the Board of Elections there could send a mail-in ballot to your old address. If the new resident gets your ballot, there's nothing to stop them from filling it out, signing your name, and mailing it back in.
And there's no reason for it not to be counted, because in many states there is no verification being used. VoterID is racist, remember, so most states don't have it.
This is why you should ALWAYS vote in person if you possibly can.
Please feel free to share this info anywhere you like. Many good people are not aware of these differences and honestly don't see what the problem is. Let them know!
I believe that Election fraud through mail in ballots will be the start of the second civil war.
Mail in ballots are voter disenfranchisement. They have zero integrity. In voting only. If you're afraid of China Flu, wear a mask.
I've had a speeding usps truck throw my $300 Camera on my neighbor's porch while I'm running beside it saying "hey! That's the wrong address! I have id! HEY" They don't give a fuuuuuck
I currently have two missing mail/package searches in limbo with USPS. They fucking suck, don't give a shit, lie and I'm convinced they lose shit on purpose. My tinfoil side says soon your mail will be trashed based on your social score.
Anyone want to put a paycheck on which direction the "lost" ballots were most likely leaning politically?
This debate is so idiotic. If I’m going to give you $100k in cash, do you want me to put it in the mail? Or do you want to come pick it up? Case closed.
50% of my snail-mail never gets to me. of the addressed mail that lands in my box, fully 25% is addressed to other people.
My letter-delivery-person is literally illiterate.
Even if you could eliminate the massive electoral fraud that the Democrats are openly committing to, incompetence alone could dis-enfranchise 10-20% of legitimate voters.
They tried to backpedal the story and the comments are calling them out https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/06/there_were_not_28_million_missing_mail-in_ballots_143123.html
You don't feel "safe" enough to vote? Fine, get an absentee ballot and make sure we have double-verification on name, signature, etc.
Mandate everyone vote by mail?? Fuck and no.
Mail in voting is not necessarily about getting more Democrat votes, it's all about THROWING AWAY Republican votes.
I think it’s both
It’s the same shit as muh Peach Mints, asking us to prove a negative, suck on muh dick. Oregon has only been “doing so well” because it hasn’t been caught on a massive scale yet and everyone on these polling committees are in each others pockets. Also, worth noting is with everyone getting registered we have some of the lowest voter turnout percentages whereas Alabama with some of the “strictest” voting ID laws has nigh the highest turnout rate 🤔
Is it me or does anybody else have very, very little faith in our election process?
Wasn't there a lot of bitching from people that didn't receive their stimulus checks, and a lot of checks sent to dead/imaginary people?
The exact same issues would apply to mail in voting, but with even more incentive for people to fuck with it.
No you cannot prove a negative.
I find it suspicious that the last stimulus had a bailout of the USPS that trump was opposing.
I can just see a smug leftist gloating after it was proven that be an absolute fraud... "Trump's not president, is he?". Just like Harry Reid.
NO CHAIN OF CUSTODY = NO VOTE BY MAIL
That’s pretty scary and sad.
Out here in California. My Pastor when I was growing up was mailed a letter saying he will be reciveing a mail in ballot this election...... He passed away 15 years ago.