I can cherry-pick plenty of good or bad Indians or Chinese. It’s about the numbers. The USA cannot fit all people here and give them a good life. Ponzi economics and demography must end!
Seriously. More laws create more problems. If you think a law solves a problem, you have a LOT to learn about how the world actually works. Public school has failed you
Yep, seconding this- I went to high school with some guys that are now H1BS, very highly qualified. In one instance my friend ended up getting his undergrad and masters in 5 years as a double major in math and compsci. He absolutely was providing value wherever he went and was so far ahead of everyone else in terms of technical competency it was staggering. This is what the H1B program was intended for. Getting geniuses from around the world to work at American companies. Not pulling regular tech people to cut wages. Sadly, he's probably being way underpaid.
I'm very sympathetic to this issue, but I think once you get to the highest level of skill, there is no "taking a job from an American" - there are probably more opportunities than there are people the very top. The whole idea of having the H1B is that there is no American to take the job from.
It was not intended to bring over entry-level IT works, run-of-the-mill programmers, etc. For those jobs there are thousands of Americans that can do the job.
If you're one of 5 people in the world with a particular skillset (and someone is going to pay an appropriate domestic-level salary), then I'm all for the program being used for this.
The first is that the well ran dry years ago. I have been developing software in hands-on and management roles for thirty years. H1-Bs were top-of-the line until the numbers shot up and the quality went through the floor. The flip started around 2001 and we have been scraping the bottom of the barrel since 2010.
The second is that the three biggest IT visa sponsors on this list, Cognizant, Tata, and Infosys, are paper-thin cutouts for massive body shop abuse. Scroll down the list keeping your eye on the "Median Salary" column, and you can easily spot Wipro, Tech Mahindra, and others in on this scam. The people these companies bring over are absolutely unqualified.
The third is that corruption is rampant around the world, and many visa-holders are paying kickbacks out of their already lower salaries by way of remittances to their home countries. This culture has been brought to our shores.
H1-Bs were top-of-the line until the numbers shot up and the quality went through the floor.
Nonsense, especially your 2001 timeframe. They were complete shit as far back as the program ever existed. There were a very few highly qualified and competent people all along, but 99% of them were always low-wage moron seatwarmers, nearly all of whom faked their credentials.
I worked with one who had supposedly spent six years at Amazon before working where I was. He did not know that in C/C++ array indexes start from zero. All of his code was written "for (i=1; i<=N; i++)" -- which means that every single fucking array he used, he was either reading past the end of it or overwriting stuff after the end of it (or both of course).
The proper index loop, of course, would have been "i=0; i<N; i++". Everyone makes that mistake exactly once in life, usually during their very first intro-to-programming class, and then learns better. He never did.
Some of these people pay up to a third or more of their salary to these gangsters. Depends on how much they owe back home. Some of these guys that are in serious debt are fast tracked here. Its the only way they could ever afford to get out of debt. And it could be a family member who is a junkie whose debt they are here to work off. Very profitable racket.
I don't want their fucking culture anywhere in sight.
Every H1-B I know who earned a green card has seen a major pay bump.
There is no question the H1-B program as a whole abuses Americans and aliens alike. Setting higher floors will help. Setting higher floors and permitting H1-B holders to switch jobs would end the exploitation.
In real life, this works quite differently. The purpose of H1B's is to attract lower wage employees. The job requirements are often written after reading a candidate's resume to ensure a "perfect fit".
Now, as a hiring manager, if you had a choice between a very competent person and a less competent person and they both are paid the same, the hiring manager will normally pick the better of the two. Given the constraints, you will try to get the best you can get.
I can guarantee you that in my entire career, not a single H1B would have been hired at a premium wage to US employees. This was not the way the game was played. Executive management dictates blocks of hires for us to target. I've hired many Software Developers, locally in the US, remotely (outsourced) in Brazil, China, Turkey, India, and many other countries, as well as many US based H1B workers.
I've never hired an H1B for a skillset that I could not find locally. They were always done for budgetary reasons.
Not gonna lie while we love to point at the low-mid tier tech workers from India, if there’s a PhD scientist or incredible engineer from Japan, Europe, Australia, Canada, etc then I want them.
Yes! H1-Bs have their uses, it’s just that they have unfortunately been used against us for precisely the type of field that has come around with the advent of automation. Every technological advancement that displaces workers inevitably opens up jobs elsewhere. It is nefarious that they’ve been allowed to completely subvert Americans for these types of middle class jobs needed to keep employment levels up.
If we can’t get rid of it, I trust Trump more than anyone to fix it correctly.
A useful way of getting rid of it would be to focus seniors on the fact that H-1B's are exempted from Social Security and so don't pay a dime into the program.
This reduces SS funding and is rapidly contributing to the death of the federal budget surrounding it.
Eliminate the tax advantages of hiring an H-1B over an American -- the lack of SocSec and Medicare and Unemployment taxes that they don't have to pay because supposedly they won't ever get to use them -- and 20% of the cost advantage of the H-1B disappears.
They were originally for special unusual skill types. But like all government programs it was abused to the point that good americans what to cancel the whole thing rather then try to limit it to its orginal intent.
That program was designed as bonded labor from the onset. The visa is tied to the employer, not with the worker. If the worker complains about anything, he can get sent home.
Yup Neil Munro at breitbart points this out all the time. Workers get deferred compensation in the form of a green card and eventual citizenship. Then comes the chain migration!
This. There's no justification for it, other than padding executive pay packages and bonuses. The whole program was to bring workers of high calibre and merit into the country as needed, like for the Space program, but it's been perverted into cheap IT labor for corporations. The whole program needs to be scrapped.
Americans are willingly handing over our country. I don’t blame the cheap-labor Indians, Chinese etc. as much. They’re just taking the opportunities being handed over to them by greedy manager and investors at American firms
I do, and I also blame their home countries. If America is so bad and the rest of the world is so great, why can't they find decent jobs in their home countries?
Little or column a and column b. Most H1-Bs are OK, especially Indians but their caste system instills some pretty shit attitudes and privileges that they expect to apply here.
My experience is that they were typically good people. However, they were also typically underqualified for the role they filled. Lots of hand holding and micromanagement
It's not personal. When we say Mexicans we don't mean the individual Mexican trying to make a better life for himself, we mean Waves of Mexicans, waves of foreigners having a statistically significant effect on our nation. It's not about disliking the individual, it's about disliking the policies (and people who enact them) that leads to 18THOUSAND foreigners working in our government (under one program) and millions of Americans working for lower wages because of flooding the job market.
Totally agree. I just have to remind myself it’s about the numbers here. That’s what the immigration reduction group Numbers USA is all about: lowering total immigration to the US
Other countries do. We are far from alone in this regard. Indians and Pakistanis are shipped all over the world for this. Wealthy liberals have gotten fat and happy facilitating it through "non-profits".
It's "foreign worker" programs, or "immigrant/refugee" scams. Every one of them has a price tag on their head a rich liberal pocketed.
State governments outsource data management and website management to Iran and China.
We need an EO that eliminates diversity and bans cultural Marxism.
I never liked it when we got hooked on the type of posts like burritos or bears, because I try and spread this website everywhere and when a new users shows up and they see half the front page being something about burritos and bears or whatever else we are memeing that day, they can get confused and leave the website. There’s no issues with memes, but we really should have mega threads for these and limit them so a new user doesn’t get completely confused as to wtf is going on here
Yeah, it was lame how Trump’s original H-1B “pause” happened after the visas were already handed out. He needs to fire Chad Wolf, who worked for Indian outsourcers
I was downvoted into oblivion pointing out that Chad wolf is a wolf 🐺 in sheep’s 🐑 clothing on immigration. He’s a total shill. Can’t be trusted. Just like anyone who’s worked for the Bush crime family or in their administrations (goes for Ted Cruz and Kris Kobach too).
We can’t just cheer on Trump and his admin like gullible fools. We expect him to keep his promises on immigration too
No, the cap themselves were what he had done. 30,000 is miniscule in comparison to what it had been prior to his EO. It was in the hundred thousand range before that.
No, it would take another act of Congress to repeal. Unless it were a leftist president in charge, they can get away with not following the law of the land.
The problem we have is that the GOP is all for H1Bs because it means cheap slave labor for their donors. Both sides are traitors to the American people.
modern day slavery, but we also need to do something about our universities having "limited seats" and then handing them out to foreigners. bUt WhY cAnT wE fInD eNoUgh dOcToRs?
Literally the last state university in my area that admits white people just got a CCP official as a college president.
It's more aggressive than what's being implied, but yes. Why even have these Visas anymore? Just get eliminate all of them outside of hyper specialist fields.
We are in WW1 for the soul of the West. The ideals that built it and made it great are under constant assault from both sides of the political spectrum as Communists want to tear it down and subvert it to their own purpose and Neo-cons are eagerly selling it off for maximum profit to China.
Merely repulsing the enemy and having held the line is a victory. For it halts their greater plan. For it stops them in their tracks and blunts their momentum for the next assault. When the counter charge happens they may even break.
I have an H1B on my team I really don’t want to lose. We tried hiring Americans for the position but all we get is people that memorize words rather than understand concepts. Problem finding good Americans is it’s not a $200k+ position where all the smart Americans go we have less technical requirement than that but need people who are intermediate level technically with concept comprehension.
I get why my boss doesn’t want to pay $100k for an American that will never be self sufficient in the position when an H1B will. I’m the $100k self sufficient American in the position I did interviews and tried to find Americans to join my team and they all sucked.
We arguably could hire the $200k American but then the position won’t maximize their value. I’ll get to this point eventually and have to find a new job or they’ll need to design a new position.
Yeah but my company can’t really afford to train people from the bottom up and hope that they’ll stay. Additionally there’s no guarantee that someone can learn which is another issue we had with other Americans.
I don’t think that smart Americans are unavailable, I think the smart ones are very expensive and the bad ones are still expensive.
Point being we need H1B since our education still sucks. When education is better maybe we won’t need it but you all plainly see how stupid about half the country is.
I think youd find, there are a lot of people whod sign ridiculously competitive contracts if there was a clear and easy way for americans with some sort of certification and portfolio to have a clear path to entry. theres people out there, who HR would ignore, just itching for a first job/opportunity who havent ever had one right here in america.
yeah, as long as we have a state-based uni system and expensive education -- while a good indicator, you dont always need that b.s. or higher not if you fucking know what your doing, know your weak points and work on them constantly. sure for SOME things, its critical, but not most. depends how crazy what your doing is really.
tons of people would LOVE to have those entry level positions in there. I think you'd be surprised at how much talent right here in america will do the same for less if they dont need to invest the same way.
say you could get more advanced certifications and ditch the education system entirely, and get rid of H1Bs, youd be able to hire someone for that same job -- just as educated maybe in a different fashion but just as skilled -- for $80k, not even 100. because to that dude itd be more than he made in his life, and nobody else wouldve hired him.
that gets you loyalty, esp if you write in contracts of service for x years, starting out as an unpaid intern and proving productivity.
you inspire people and they'll make portfolios and do it.
yes of course if it has to be that person who "made it through the system" its gonna cost you more on basis of their education being fucking overpriced bullshit. and theres so many cracks -- if you dont go to private uni, none of the credits transfer out of that specific state uni system. so you essentially get fucked out of an education for life if you ever leave before attaining B.S. and A.S. is worthless.
what im saying is, talent is out there. despite what people say. and lots of people would love that opportunity for the same wage as the H1B. yeah they may not know the entire stack your using or some of the stuff, but they're adaptable and educated. and they exist.
we need to find a new way of measuring talent. because in the end, if one knows something it truly doesnt matter how they know it. just how well they know it. thats one way of getting cheaper, loyal workers that do have some skill. it might be a hard pill to swallow on the risk factor though. right now the unproven have a rough job of doing the proving.
My challenge has been finding the people who can jump around multiple stacks using comprehension of core computing concepts.
If you understand DNS it shouldn’t matter what OS it is on. if you understand virtualization it shouldn’t matter if it’s RedHat, VMware, Openstack, or kubernetes. If you understand routing and firewalls it shouldn’t matter if it’s Cisco, Juniper, or pfsense. If you understand OSs and scripting it shouldn’t matter what you’re deploying with. You get the point
What I’m seeing is I’ll hire someone with VMware knowledge and they know how to do things in VMware but they don’t actually understand what VMWare is doing - so when you tell them we need to adapt RHVM they are total puckerface.
lol that stuff isnt that hard. Im unfamiliar with stacks used today because Ive never had a first job in the industry.
Ive only got an AS in networking (really got waived into the entire CS major bar math because I proved to the best coder we had period with prior EXP) and tons of hobby exp mostly in programming in C but also dozens of other languages and dabbling in hardware and networking
I keep saying "i'll go get a few networking, security, linux admin certs" but the whole job market gets depressing since im competing with people who have B.S. and higher and making the outrageous claim im "just as good or better"
Im an ace at most things in computing. maybe not the best wizard programmer for super-optimized code, or OS/Compiler code but I can get the job done. I could learn any stack or new language or tool on the job without any complaints from documentation -- even most non-trivial tasks (just might not be done as well as an awesome master at competitive coding)
I use Unix and windows every day (far and away prefer Unix environments honestly) stuff like running networks and virtual machines is rather basic to me. im the kinda dude who know "how it works" but is always striving to figure it out so well I can implement it myself for fun in at least a crude fashion. I really enjoy stuff like little emulators, virtual machines, and scripting language parsers -- though I have written only a few.
I do get the point because I do understand the basics.
thats why I said what I said. if you offered me less and it was enough to live, id hop on a bus tomorrow and sign a contract to work X years underwaged personally.
I know for a fact we got young guys in this country either living as bums in a basement and/or working illegal jobs for less than minimum wage and no overtime who actually do have the skills but cant currently evenly compete to get the jobs with people from other countries especially who cover the costs of that degree and are cheaper to hire.
id be TOTALLY in favor of dropping minimum wages and even allowing for free labor as a way in to make the risk acceptable because, to me, it would be beneficial. Id get that chance to prove I wasnt full of shit and could be far more productive in society and even make way more money than I can now.
I mean last job I did before covid was trying to haul raw lumber by hand in the freezing cold -- and im only 120 lbs soaking wet. I broke my hand and kept lifting on it anyway until I got real sick with pnemonia. I did this (legally) for minimum wage. working alongside people on prison release with a clean record, some official education, and TONS of unofficial skills and education. education isnt a system where, especially late game, you can just "go take an entrance exam" and get in anymore. they look at history and records and if you got an A.S. at state level you cant just redo it all at another place really. theres a lot of traps that leave people in a limbo WAY WORSE than degree inflation.
we have the people here, we just dont have the system or infrastructure setup in a way that enables them to get into these fields without filling out a huge list of prerequisite requirements other than "knowing the answer". my issue came up because I started out getting a state education, and cannot transfer the AS credits anywhere except that single hell hole a state. thats just ONE problem.
but still. Im just saying. if you want more info you can DM me so it doesnt become more of a rant here. but we have the people. people with the skills who WANT to work for less. people who have passion and drive to continue even when things are unrealistic and pointless just for the sake of knowledge.
the way it should work is you take a test to get in. they dont look if you were homeless or even to read -- they take your money you take test -- your in or out. as it stands with all the different standards and rules, its bullshit. its all about who know, how early you got in on it, and if you made it through the specified path the first time around.
also as a counterpoint, i met many people who did go on who never had their major as a primary hobby/passion skill and ended up hating their jobs and lives. and also people who went on who had no idea what they were doing at shitty state school where its too easy to weed out the idiots, who ended up getting degrees and jobs that they were equally terrible at and just partied all the time and never actually practiced outside of school (where all the real problems are at btw, in the real world).
to me the system seems broke. it should be about knowing the answers and having passion to seek eternally to find the best result possible. sometimes it does work out that way, but a lot of times its not really as much of an indicator as its taken to be.
You should read Breitbart’s Neil Munro’s articles on H-1B. Goes through all the arguments you’re bringing up.
Yes, H-1B workers can’t leave. They are like indentured servants (bonded labor technically) American workers can. Once H-1B’a get a greencard, they can leave too.
Treat your workers well and they’ll respect that.
Education is simple to fix, but will take lots of work and dedication. The public school system is sick by design. Alternative forms of schooling are necessary: Waldorf, classical education, homeschooling etc
You are exploiting the H1B program to artificially deflate wages. There are plenty of Americans qualified for the role, you just don't want to pay them.
I don't believe for a second that American business needs H1B visas. We have 320 million people and the best universities in the world.
It's H1B visas in the first place, and all the horror stories about American comp science degree holders training their Indian replacements, that altered the tech labor force in the first place. If you get rid of the foreigners, more people will pursue that occupation and the price of the labor will come down.
And what a surprise that the most strident proponents of H1B visas are Indians who want to hire more Indians. This racist shit needs to end. This is especially urgent since they seem to be importing their racist caste system to the US.
I don't care about your mercenary reasons for wanting an H1B visa holder. America First! mother fucker.
I'm no fan of H1B, but I think it is useful. There are legitimately people in the world who may be the only one, or one of 5-10 in the world - we should be able to bring those people over.
I'm pretty sure there aren't 500,000 of them in the world. That's where this program went wrong. It was subverted by the giant Indian / multinational consulting companies to bring over masses of cheap workers.
H1Bs make sense if we have ~ 1000 of them to start. If we can validate that all 1,000 are truly best-in-the-world, we can expand it slightly the following year, maybe by 10%. The flow should be strictly regulated though.
No. Cut it all off now. Once this precedent is firmly established for a significant period of time, we can make a few exceptions here and there. Otherwise, any restrictions will slowly grow again, ways will be found around them, corrupt Congressmen, like Mike Lee, will slip visa provisions into bills. There will be no end to the chicanery until it's just all ended.
Politics is the art of compromise. Those things you mentioned will happen regardless. At least allowing some level will keep support from some of the industries that use them, especially if there is a ban on consulting / contracting companies.
I'd rather have an imperfect solution that passes into law than a perfect one that never gets out of committee.
As an engineer, this program needs more than just a curbing. It gets straight up abused by companies and ends up lowering wages for American engineers.
No, it doesn't. Someone with political courage could end it immediately and explain that 20+ million out of work Americans are more important than importing these job thieves.
Yes it does. There are legal obligations relating to VISA's and immediately ending the program would face a substantial legal hurdle. Remember the muslim "ban" EO? Or the foreign students EO that's currently in limbo?
(Illegal) Legal obligations are also part of the reason the DACA case was punted.
The real reason Google did work from home until next year has nothing to do with COVID19. It's because most of their employees will need to work from home.
Thank God for President Trump!!! I work in a STEM field and have long been in favor of sharply limiting or abolishing H1B's! Shrillary was for vastly expanding the program to meet the "shortage" of tech workers...that and she got millions of dollars from Indian staffing firms who supplied Big Tech with H1B's...
I hate the H1B program. It means less permanent jobs, more shitty contracts. Lower pay and worse bennies, the staffing agency takes a huge cut of what the client pays for us to be there. Companies like Gulag basically get a slave labor force beholden to them who work 60+ hours a week, live like 10 to an apartment, and have zero legal rights...while Gulag gets to act all Woke. And American tech grads get shut out of the labor market or have to take lower wages.
But who will write our spaghetti code? How will we survive if we have separation of concerns, comprehensible documentation and conference calls where the person speaking doesn't sound like they have the microphone inside their mouth? What about the bugs, security vulnerabilities and miscommunication that costs us billions in lost productivity? Do you even want to live in a world without all of that?
Best news for a while. I've said it before, tech companies almost exclusively hire (usually) Indian H1-B's while passing on extremely qualified Americans.
Let's hope it leads to more Americans getting hired.
The worst part is that every other country in the world is more socialist. They come here thinking America is a magical paradise where money falls from trees. Then they realize there’s no mandatory paid maternity leave on employers etc. and start asking for freebies because they were used to those things back home.
Sad they can’t recognize the cognitive dissonance of wanting free stuff paid, but wanting to live the good life.
Remember how just a few months ago, India threw the world's largest ever Trump rally, with a banner reception for the Commander in Chief and well over 10k in attendance? We all knew they were buttering him up for some kind of H1B giveaway, but he shut down any hope of that during the same visit. And here we have the proof. As an IT worker, I thank President Trump for opening up pathways to better tracks within my career. I was this close to giving up and becoming an auto mechanic.
I'm not opposed to hiring talent when its impossible to find it otherwise, but companies just say this line in order to undercut American wages. With all of the rhetoric in the US rn I would prefer the pot to melt before letting anyone else in and if or when it is time to let others in it must be done legally and through merit. I will not tolerate people in this Country that don't embrace becoming American, but would rather shit over the history of this Country that our forefathers fought so valiantly to uphold. I'm looking at you Ilhan Omar. Look me in the eye when you shit talk America. Coming from an American whose ancestors fought in the Revolution, Civil War, both World Wars, lost a relative due to complications after 9/11. As far as I'm concerned she can walk herself out the door, its evident she doesn't like it here so its probably best for everyone.
Abolish the H-1B program
^^^^This right here^^^^^
I miss my little town. Even though I grew up here I have no chance of affording anything here. I’m about to call it little India.
I doubt many H1B are 'based'.
Dot or feather?
They are not "for the most part based" lol. Where the hell do people get this?
Indians in America vote OVERWHELMINGLY for liberals and liberal policies. NOT BASED AT ALL.
Oh...well then fuck the facts and fuck statistics. This dude ate some curry once and he says Indians are based. Good enough for me! 😅
I can cherry-pick plenty of good or bad Indians or Chinese. It’s about the numbers. The USA cannot fit all people here and give them a good life. Ponzi economics and demography must end!
https://www.numbersusa.com/
Based? What percentage do they vote communist?
it's a matter of national security - send them home.
They've got Chinese linguists working on H-1B visas in the three letter agencies! That's who's going over our sensitive intelligence documents.
Exactly!!!!
Security risk.
I like Indian people. I like them a lot.
But outsourcing our entire tech is just as bad as outsourcing our manufacturing.
We need to be independent. Self-reliant.
We can't do that if 70% of our tech departs are Indian -- should flip to natural-born Americans.
Hey all Obama, the Bushes and Clinton did was expand immigration. I’ll start with a pause, followed by an abolishment of H-1B.
Guessing Trump wants DACA abolished so he can use it as leverage for a merit immigration bill like he tried when RINO Ryan was speaker of the house
Yup we got sold out for the past 30 years very quickly and nobody stepped up
Nobody voted for this.
Set the H1B minimum salary at $200,000 and call it a day.
Or simply abolish the program already..
True, but with inflation $200,000 will be pennies eventually..
Just like the $60,000 wage floor currently..
You could try wording it as something like "Minimum salary is US median household income times 4."
Make it times 6 or 8 for good measure.
This is why making more laws doesn’t work. There’s always a loophole.
Better idea, just take away this power from government to create all these cheap-labor visas
Seriously. More laws create more problems. If you think a law solves a problem, you have a LOT to learn about how the world actually works. Public school has failed you
Mean might be better 'cus I think that's higher than median. The richer the rich get compared to the middle class, the further apart they get.
I forgot the obligatory “End the Fed!”
Nope, there are plenty of H1-Bs earning $200K. They don't need government hand outs and they generate tax revenue.
$200K H1-B floor is merit based immigration and good for Americans.
Yep, seconding this- I went to high school with some guys that are now H1BS, very highly qualified. In one instance my friend ended up getting his undergrad and masters in 5 years as a double major in math and compsci. He absolutely was providing value wherever he went and was so far ahead of everyone else in terms of technical competency it was staggering. This is what the H1B program was intended for. Getting geniuses from around the world to work at American companies. Not pulling regular tech people to cut wages. Sadly, he's probably being way underpaid.
I'm very sympathetic to this issue, but I think once you get to the highest level of skill, there is no "taking a job from an American" - there are probably more opportunities than there are people the very top. The whole idea of having the H1B is that there is no American to take the job from.
It was not intended to bring over entry-level IT works, run-of-the-mill programmers, etc. For those jobs there are thousands of Americans that can do the job.
If you're one of 5 people in the world with a particular skillset (and someone is going to pay an appropriate domestic-level salary), then I'm all for the program being used for this.
There are several huge problems with this.
The first is that the well ran dry years ago. I have been developing software in hands-on and management roles for thirty years. H1-Bs were top-of-the line until the numbers shot up and the quality went through the floor. The flip started around 2001 and we have been scraping the bottom of the barrel since 2010.
The second is that the three biggest IT visa sponsors on this list, Cognizant, Tata, and Infosys, are paper-thin cutouts for massive body shop abuse. Scroll down the list keeping your eye on the "Median Salary" column, and you can easily spot Wipro, Tech Mahindra, and others in on this scam. The people these companies bring over are absolutely unqualified.
The third is that corruption is rampant around the world, and many visa-holders are paying kickbacks out of their already lower salaries by way of remittances to their home countries. This culture has been brought to our shores.
Nonsense, especially your 2001 timeframe. They were complete shit as far back as the program ever existed. There were a very few highly qualified and competent people all along, but 99% of them were always low-wage moron seatwarmers, nearly all of whom faked their credentials.
I worked with one who had supposedly spent six years at Amazon before working where I was. He did not know that in C/C++ array indexes start from zero. All of his code was written "for (i=1; i<=N; i++)" -- which means that every single fucking array he used, he was either reading past the end of it or overwriting stuff after the end of it (or both of course).
The proper index loop, of course, would have been "i=0; i<N; i++". Everyone makes that mistake exactly once in life, usually during their very first intro-to-programming class, and then learns better. He never did.
Some of these people pay up to a third or more of their salary to these gangsters. Depends on how much they owe back home. Some of these guys that are in serious debt are fast tracked here. Its the only way they could ever afford to get out of debt. And it could be a family member who is a junkie whose debt they are here to work off. Very profitable racket.
I don't want their fucking culture anywhere in sight.
Every H1-B I know who earned a green card has seen a major pay bump.
There is no question the H1-B program as a whole abuses Americans and aliens alike. Setting higher floors will help. Setting higher floors and permitting H1-B holders to switch jobs would end the exploitation.
In real life, this works quite differently. The purpose of H1B's is to attract lower wage employees. The job requirements are often written after reading a candidate's resume to ensure a "perfect fit".
Now, as a hiring manager, if you had a choice between a very competent person and a less competent person and they both are paid the same, the hiring manager will normally pick the better of the two. Given the constraints, you will try to get the best you can get.
I can guarantee you that in my entire career, not a single H1B would have been hired at a premium wage to US employees. This was not the way the game was played. Executive management dictates blocks of hires for us to target. I've hired many Software Developers, locally in the US, remotely (outsourced) in Brazil, China, Turkey, India, and many other countries, as well as many US based H1B workers.
I've never hired an H1B for a skillset that I could not find locally. They were always done for budgetary reasons.
Not gonna lie while we love to point at the low-mid tier tech workers from India, if there’s a PhD scientist or incredible engineer from Japan, Europe, Australia, Canada, etc then I want them.
H1Bs shouldn’t be for middle class jobs
Why would americans go for phds if the market is saturated with foreign workers?
This has been a problem forever in sciences -- chemistry, biology, anything. Got a master's? Work as a $20K/year lab tech/bottle washer.
In some fields there is a shortage
Others a glutton
Yes! H1-Bs have their uses, it’s just that they have unfortunately been used against us for precisely the type of field that has come around with the advent of automation. Every technological advancement that displaces workers inevitably opens up jobs elsewhere. It is nefarious that they’ve been allowed to completely subvert Americans for these types of middle class jobs needed to keep employment levels up.
If we can’t get rid of it, I trust Trump more than anyone to fix it correctly.
A useful way of getting rid of it would be to focus seniors on the fact that H-1B's are exempted from Social Security and so don't pay a dime into the program.
This reduces SS funding and is rapidly contributing to the death of the federal budget surrounding it.
Eliminate the tax advantages of hiring an H-1B over an American -- the lack of SocSec and Medicare and Unemployment taxes that they don't have to pay because supposedly they won't ever get to use them -- and 20% of the cost advantage of the H-1B disappears.
That or more. Supposed to be used for talent that cannot be found in America.
My personal experience, at multiple companies, shows the program is used to reduce wages and hire unqualified noobs.
This was happening for over a decade before Obamacare even existed. It was happening while W Bush was in the White House, and Clinton before him.
No, let's not dance around it. Just abolish the whole shebang already.
MAKE AN EXPENSIVE AUCTION STARTING AT A MILLION BUCKS/HEAD.
They were originally for special unusual skill types. But like all government programs it was abused to the point that good americans what to cancel the whole thing rather then try to limit it to its orginal intent.
That program was designed as bonded labor from the onset. The visa is tied to the employer, not with the worker. If the worker complains about anything, he can get sent home.
American workers can afford to talk back
That's why they do it. The migrant worker is like a slave.
They also accept low pay because they aim for the permanent residency, do essentially the employer pays them with the green card.
Yup Neil Munro at breitbart points this out all the time. Workers get deferred compensation in the form of a green card and eventual citizenship. Then comes the chain migration!
Muh Slaves, give me reparations you bigot nazi! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The coding abilities of H1Bers are often described as unusual skill.
kek
or even nonexistent
But in fairness, I have worked with exactly one who was good. Russian guy who came over on it in the 1990s to avoid starving to death.
This. There's no justification for it, other than padding executive pay packages and bonuses. The whole program was to bring workers of high calibre and merit into the country as needed, like for the Space program, but it's been perverted into cheap IT labor for corporations. The whole program needs to be scrapped.
There should be 0 H1-B employees working for the federal government. This article says there are currently 18k+.
Dems are willingly handing over our government to non-citizens.
Pakistani Intelligence running House IT program...what could go wrong?
It's maddening, that the story about them was just swept right under the rug. Debbie Wasserman Schultz belongs in jail.
Absolutely. Foreigners are taking this country because some citizens handed it over.
Americans are willingly handing over our country. I don’t blame the cheap-labor Indians, Chinese etc. as much. They’re just taking the opportunities being handed over to them by greedy manager and investors at American firms
I do, and I also blame their home countries. If America is so bad and the rest of the world is so great, why can't they find decent jobs in their home countries?
Little or column a and column b. Most H1-Bs are OK, especially Indians but their caste system instills some pretty shit attitudes and privileges that they expect to apply here.
My experience is that they were typically good people. However, they were also typically underqualified for the role they filled. Lots of hand holding and micromanagement
It's not personal. When we say Mexicans we don't mean the individual Mexican trying to make a better life for himself, we mean Waves of Mexicans, waves of foreigners having a statistically significant effect on our nation. It's not about disliking the individual, it's about disliking the policies (and people who enact them) that leads to 18THOUSAND foreigners working in our government (under one program) and millions of Americans working for lower wages because of flooding the job market.
Totally agree. I just have to remind myself it’s about the numbers here. That’s what the immigration reduction group Numbers USA is all about: lowering total immigration to the US
Yup, it’s all about the numbers.
https://www.numbersusa.com/
Would any other government hire foreigners over their own people for bureaucratic or government lab jobs? Doubt it.
Other countries do. We are far from alone in this regard. Indians and Pakistanis are shipped all over the world for this. Wealthy liberals have gotten fat and happy facilitating it through "non-profits".
It's "foreign worker" programs, or "immigrant/refugee" scams. Every one of them has a price tag on their head a rich liberal pocketed.
State governments outsource data management and website management to Iran and China.
We need an EO that eliminates diversity and bans cultural Marxism.
Don't get me so hard.
That is fucking insane.
Finally these stupid bear posts die down so we can stop being sidetracked.
Memes are the things that sustains us. It's good to have a bit of fun.
For real. It was funny for a few hours but it went on WAY too long.
It turns people off as well. People thought the sticker was on the bears fur and looked down on us.
I never liked it when we got hooked on the type of posts like burritos or bears, because I try and spread this website everywhere and when a new users shows up and they see half the front page being something about burritos and bears or whatever else we are memeing that day, they can get confused and leave the website. There’s no issues with memes, but we really should have mega threads for these and limit them so a new user doesn’t get completely confused as to wtf is going on here
On the flip sight being confused is much more inviting to a curious mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU
Ok now, I don't think its that bad.
Lol
I'll pass on low energy people, thanks.
Yeah I know, but still we were dabbing on them haters. Ok people time to get back to work.
How dare you denigrate my people?
HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU, SIR?
it's only for government agencies. I'm a big Trump supporter, but he's dropped the ball on the H-1B problem.
He's signed other anti H-1B Visa EO's since the beginning of the year.
Yup, and it's a metric assload more than any "Republican" has done to curb the abuse...looking at you, Mike "I'm a Bitch" Lee!
Yeah, it was lame how Trump’s original H-1B “pause” happened after the visas were already handed out. He needs to fire Chad Wolf, who worked for Indian outsourcers
I was downvoted into oblivion pointing out that Chad wolf is a wolf 🐺 in sheep’s 🐑 clothing on immigration. He’s a total shill. Can’t be trusted. Just like anyone who’s worked for the Bush crime family or in their administrations (goes for Ted Cruz and Kris Kobach too).
We can’t just cheer on Trump and his admin like gullible fools. We expect him to keep his promises on immigration too
The reduction of those "caps" were some of the EO's.
No, the cap themselves were what he had done. 30,000 is miniscule in comparison to what it had been prior to his EO. It was in the hundred thousand range before that.
He has. He promised in 2016 to abolish the H-1B program. Still waiting..
Then again, Congress created it in the 1990 immigration act. Can Trump abolish it on his own?
No, it would take another act of Congress to repeal. Unless it were a leftist president in charge, they can get away with not following the law of the land.
Total Immigration & Visa moratorium for 5 years. Starting next year.
The problem we have is that the GOP is all for H1Bs because it means cheap slave labor for their donors. Both sides are traitors to the American people.
Yep, Bezos making 13 billion in a day while keeping his labor costs low with an army of H1Bs.
modern day slavery, but we also need to do something about our universities having "limited seats" and then handing them out to foreigners. bUt WhY cAnT wE fInD eNoUgh dOcToRs?
Literally the last state university in my area that admits white people just got a CCP official as a college president.
"curbing"
Our standards for Winning! have fallen.
Our immigration system needs to be burned to the ground. It isn't salvagable.
Abolishing Ted Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act would be a start..
It's more aggressive than what's being implied, but yes. Why even have these Visas anymore? Just get eliminate all of them outside of hyper specialist fields.
We have enough smart americans. Most H-1B aren’t significantly smarter. If they were, they’d be on geniuses visa or something.
In my experience most H1Bs are unqualified and do not get anything done without being micromanaged. Same applies to outsourcing.
Depends on the industry and the individual. H-1B is designed for wage suppression and creating a new serf class in the USA
Every victory is a step in the right direction.
We are in WW1 for the soul of the West. The ideals that built it and made it great are under constant assault from both sides of the political spectrum as Communists want to tear it down and subvert it to their own purpose and Neo-cons are eagerly selling it off for maximum profit to China.
Merely repulsing the enemy and having held the line is a victory. For it halts their greater plan. For it stops them in their tracks and blunts their momentum for the next assault. When the counter charge happens they may even break.
I don’t think we want to stop H1B entirely?
I have an H1B on my team I really don’t want to lose. We tried hiring Americans for the position but all we get is people that memorize words rather than understand concepts. Problem finding good Americans is it’s not a $200k+ position where all the smart Americans go we have less technical requirement than that but need people who are intermediate level technically with concept comprehension.
I get why my boss doesn’t want to pay $100k for an American that will never be self sufficient in the position when an H1B will. I’m the $100k self sufficient American in the position I did interviews and tried to find Americans to join my team and they all sucked.
We arguably could hire the $200k American but then the position won’t maximize their value. I’ll get to this point eventually and have to find a new job or they’ll need to design a new position.
We can train good Americans. Why aren’t American businesses complaining about how terrible math education is in the US.
We need to go back to basics and use the textbooks homeschooling families use like Ray’s arithmetic or Saxon Math.
Fads like common core and new math are abject failures!
Yeah but my company can’t really afford to train people from the bottom up and hope that they’ll stay. Additionally there’s no guarantee that someone can learn which is another issue we had with other Americans.
I don’t think that smart Americans are unavailable, I think the smart ones are very expensive and the bad ones are still expensive.
Point being we need H1B since our education still sucks. When education is better maybe we won’t need it but you all plainly see how stupid about half the country is.
I think youd find, there are a lot of people whod sign ridiculously competitive contracts if there was a clear and easy way for americans with some sort of certification and portfolio to have a clear path to entry. theres people out there, who HR would ignore, just itching for a first job/opportunity who havent ever had one right here in america.
yeah, as long as we have a state-based uni system and expensive education -- while a good indicator, you dont always need that b.s. or higher not if you fucking know what your doing, know your weak points and work on them constantly. sure for SOME things, its critical, but not most. depends how crazy what your doing is really.
tons of people would LOVE to have those entry level positions in there. I think you'd be surprised at how much talent right here in america will do the same for less if they dont need to invest the same way.
say you could get more advanced certifications and ditch the education system entirely, and get rid of H1Bs, youd be able to hire someone for that same job -- just as educated maybe in a different fashion but just as skilled -- for $80k, not even 100. because to that dude itd be more than he made in his life, and nobody else wouldve hired him.
that gets you loyalty, esp if you write in contracts of service for x years, starting out as an unpaid intern and proving productivity.
you inspire people and they'll make portfolios and do it.
yes of course if it has to be that person who "made it through the system" its gonna cost you more on basis of their education being fucking overpriced bullshit. and theres so many cracks -- if you dont go to private uni, none of the credits transfer out of that specific state uni system. so you essentially get fucked out of an education for life if you ever leave before attaining B.S. and A.S. is worthless.
what im saying is, talent is out there. despite what people say. and lots of people would love that opportunity for the same wage as the H1B. yeah they may not know the entire stack your using or some of the stuff, but they're adaptable and educated. and they exist.
we need to find a new way of measuring talent. because in the end, if one knows something it truly doesnt matter how they know it. just how well they know it. thats one way of getting cheaper, loyal workers that do have some skill. it might be a hard pill to swallow on the risk factor though. right now the unproven have a rough job of doing the proving.
My challenge has been finding the people who can jump around multiple stacks using comprehension of core computing concepts.
If you understand DNS it shouldn’t matter what OS it is on. if you understand virtualization it shouldn’t matter if it’s RedHat, VMware, Openstack, or kubernetes. If you understand routing and firewalls it shouldn’t matter if it’s Cisco, Juniper, or pfsense. If you understand OSs and scripting it shouldn’t matter what you’re deploying with. You get the point
What I’m seeing is I’ll hire someone with VMware knowledge and they know how to do things in VMware but they don’t actually understand what VMWare is doing - so when you tell them we need to adapt RHVM they are total puckerface.
lol that stuff isnt that hard. Im unfamiliar with stacks used today because Ive never had a first job in the industry.
Ive only got an AS in networking (really got waived into the entire CS major bar math because I proved to the best coder we had period with prior EXP) and tons of hobby exp mostly in programming in C but also dozens of other languages and dabbling in hardware and networking
I keep saying "i'll go get a few networking, security, linux admin certs" but the whole job market gets depressing since im competing with people who have B.S. and higher and making the outrageous claim im "just as good or better"
Im an ace at most things in computing. maybe not the best wizard programmer for super-optimized code, or OS/Compiler code but I can get the job done. I could learn any stack or new language or tool on the job without any complaints from documentation -- even most non-trivial tasks (just might not be done as well as an awesome master at competitive coding)
I use Unix and windows every day (far and away prefer Unix environments honestly) stuff like running networks and virtual machines is rather basic to me. im the kinda dude who know "how it works" but is always striving to figure it out so well I can implement it myself for fun in at least a crude fashion. I really enjoy stuff like little emulators, virtual machines, and scripting language parsers -- though I have written only a few.
I do get the point because I do understand the basics.
thats why I said what I said. if you offered me less and it was enough to live, id hop on a bus tomorrow and sign a contract to work X years underwaged personally.
I know for a fact we got young guys in this country either living as bums in a basement and/or working illegal jobs for less than minimum wage and no overtime who actually do have the skills but cant currently evenly compete to get the jobs with people from other countries especially who cover the costs of that degree and are cheaper to hire.
id be TOTALLY in favor of dropping minimum wages and even allowing for free labor as a way in to make the risk acceptable because, to me, it would be beneficial. Id get that chance to prove I wasnt full of shit and could be far more productive in society and even make way more money than I can now.
I mean last job I did before covid was trying to haul raw lumber by hand in the freezing cold -- and im only 120 lbs soaking wet. I broke my hand and kept lifting on it anyway until I got real sick with pnemonia. I did this (legally) for minimum wage. working alongside people on prison release with a clean record, some official education, and TONS of unofficial skills and education. education isnt a system where, especially late game, you can just "go take an entrance exam" and get in anymore. they look at history and records and if you got an A.S. at state level you cant just redo it all at another place really. theres a lot of traps that leave people in a limbo WAY WORSE than degree inflation.
we have the people here, we just dont have the system or infrastructure setup in a way that enables them to get into these fields without filling out a huge list of prerequisite requirements other than "knowing the answer". my issue came up because I started out getting a state education, and cannot transfer the AS credits anywhere except that single hell hole a state. thats just ONE problem.
but still. Im just saying. if you want more info you can DM me so it doesnt become more of a rant here. but we have the people. people with the skills who WANT to work for less. people who have passion and drive to continue even when things are unrealistic and pointless just for the sake of knowledge.
the way it should work is you take a test to get in. they dont look if you were homeless or even to read -- they take your money you take test -- your in or out. as it stands with all the different standards and rules, its bullshit. its all about who know, how early you got in on it, and if you made it through the specified path the first time around.
also as a counterpoint, i met many people who did go on who never had their major as a primary hobby/passion skill and ended up hating their jobs and lives. and also people who went on who had no idea what they were doing at shitty state school where its too easy to weed out the idiots, who ended up getting degrees and jobs that they were equally terrible at and just partied all the time and never actually practiced outside of school (where all the real problems are at btw, in the real world).
to me the system seems broke. it should be about knowing the answers and having passion to seek eternally to find the best result possible. sometimes it does work out that way, but a lot of times its not really as much of an indicator as its taken to be.
Sounds like a problem with the business and education. Which in either case doesn't entail importing labor rather than fixing the issues at hand.
Special pleading.
You should read Breitbart’s Neil Munro’s articles on H-1B. Goes through all the arguments you’re bringing up.
Yes, H-1B workers can’t leave. They are like indentured servants (bonded labor technically) American workers can. Once H-1B’a get a greencard, they can leave too.
Treat your workers well and they’ll respect that.
Education is simple to fix, but will take lots of work and dedication. The public school system is sick by design. Alternative forms of schooling are necessary: Waldorf, classical education, homeschooling etc
Thanks will look into the articles
Cough, bullshit, cough
Care to elaborate? Not a shill genuinely interested in the details of H1B reform
You are exploiting the H1B program to artificially deflate wages. There are plenty of Americans qualified for the role, you just don't want to pay them.
Ding, ding, ding!
I don't believe for a second that American business needs H1B visas. We have 320 million people and the best universities in the world.
It's H1B visas in the first place, and all the horror stories about American comp science degree holders training their Indian replacements, that altered the tech labor force in the first place. If you get rid of the foreigners, more people will pursue that occupation and the price of the labor will come down.
And what a surprise that the most strident proponents of H1B visas are Indians who want to hire more Indians. This racist shit needs to end. This is especially urgent since they seem to be importing their racist caste system to the US.
I don't care about your mercenary reasons for wanting an H1B visa holder. America First! mother fucker.
That’s fair thanks for the input I’ll have to think on it.
I'm no fan of H1B, but I think it is useful. There are legitimately people in the world who may be the only one, or one of 5-10 in the world - we should be able to bring those people over.
I'm pretty sure there aren't 500,000 of them in the world. That's where this program went wrong. It was subverted by the giant Indian / multinational consulting companies to bring over masses of cheap workers.
H1Bs make sense if we have ~ 1000 of them to start. If we can validate that all 1,000 are truly best-in-the-world, we can expand it slightly the following year, maybe by 10%. The flow should be strictly regulated though.
No. Cut it all off now. Once this precedent is firmly established for a significant period of time, we can make a few exceptions here and there. Otherwise, any restrictions will slowly grow again, ways will be found around them, corrupt Congressmen, like Mike Lee, will slip visa provisions into bills. There will be no end to the chicanery until it's just all ended.
Politics is the art of compromise. Those things you mentioned will happen regardless. At least allowing some level will keep support from some of the industries that use them, especially if there is a ban on consulting / contracting companies.
I'd rather have an imperfect solution that passes into law than a perfect one that never gets out of committee.
Show them the ropes. My Interns beat the crap out of H1Bs every single time.
As an engineer, this program needs more than just a curbing. It gets straight up abused by companies and ends up lowering wages for American engineers.
It has to be whittled away before its killed entirely
No, it doesn't. Someone with political courage could end it immediately and explain that 20+ million out of work Americans are more important than importing these job thieves.
It just takes balls.
Yes it does. There are legal obligations relating to VISA's and immediately ending the program would face a substantial legal hurdle. Remember the muslim "ban" EO? Or the foreign students EO that's currently in limbo?
(Illegal) Legal obligations are also part of the reason the DACA case was punted.
Throwing in a bone here, if we look at H1-B's from the perspective of equity, it can easily be scrapped today.
Donald is posturing Law and Order instead. I would love to see his team crunching the numbers to come to that act.
True
Too bad Twitter and Google have half of India over here already.
Comcast, Charter, State and Fed Governments, hospitals, universities. Soooo many companies are exploiting H1B.
Often times they use Infosys, TCS and Wipro as a loophole. Entire teams of purely Indian H1Bs taking over entire departments.
The real reason Google did work from home until next year has nothing to do with COVID19. It's because most of their employees will need to work from home.
Don't forget Amazon importing CCP members by the thousands.
Get fucked, Lindsey Graham.
Mike Lee get fucked
Watch out. Mike Lee and Dick Durbin are renegotiating S.386 again...
CIS and Breitbart reported on it recently.
Mike Lee is a Traitor. Utah sends Traitors to the Senate.
That’s 30,000 US GOVERNMENT JOBS that were filled by foreigners. WTF!
Thank God for President Trump.
Someone explain how a US Government job, can be held by a non-US Citizen?
Should be opened up to remote and give those jobs to Americans.
Thank God for President Trump!!! I work in a STEM field and have long been in favor of sharply limiting or abolishing H1B's! Shrillary was for vastly expanding the program to meet the "shortage" of tech workers...that and she got millions of dollars from Indian staffing firms who supplied Big Tech with H1B's...
I hate the H1B program. It means less permanent jobs, more shitty contracts. Lower pay and worse bennies, the staffing agency takes a huge cut of what the client pays for us to be there. Companies like Gulag basically get a slave labor force beholden to them who work 60+ hours a week, live like 10 to an apartment, and have zero legal rights...while Gulag gets to act all Woke. And American tech grads get shut out of the labor market or have to take lower wages.
Let's be honest here fren. Many Americans don't even get hired to get paid lower wages. They just remain unemployed in IT.
It's not just IT. It's engineering, science fields, medical fields (MRI techs, etc), HR, and now even college profs.
That too. You are correct
Lots of other good immigration reduction organizations too
Numbers USA Center for Immigration Studies FAIR US Tech Workers
That non-profit connects to Progressives for US Immigration Reform. That name is not doing them justice.
But who will write our spaghetti code? How will we survive if we have separation of concerns, comprehensible documentation and conference calls where the person speaking doesn't sound like they have the microphone inside their mouth? What about the bugs, security vulnerabilities and miscommunication that costs us billions in lost productivity? Do you even want to live in a world without all of that?
Thank you! Soros' Army of Indian H-1Bs are already here, and very ignorant of our history to try to reshape it in the direction they are going.
Unfortunately, I have friends in IT who get paid $14/hour claiming that H1Bs are necessary for IT.
Kek
Learn to Code, in your own damn country.
We need to invalidate existing H-1B visas for this to have any impact. They just won't go home and them tie us up on the courts.
Those Disney employees should have banded together and executed Disney’s Board of Directors and senior executives.
"Nooo, you can't just take away my imported slaves!"
Pen go brrrrrrrrrrr
Best news for a while. I've said it before, tech companies almost exclusively hire (usually) Indian H1-B's while passing on extremely qualified Americans.
Let's hope it leads to more Americans getting hired.
The worst part is that every other country in the world is more socialist. They come here thinking America is a magical paradise where money falls from trees. Then they realize there’s no mandatory paid maternity leave on employers etc. and start asking for freebies because they were used to those things back home.
Sad they can’t recognize the cognitive dissonance of wanting free stuff paid, but wanting to live the good life.
https://thefederalist.com/2015/07/27/why-immigrants-vote-for-democrats/
The madman did it!
He should have done this 4 years ago... bazaar
Remember how just a few months ago, India threw the world's largest ever Trump rally, with a banner reception for the Commander in Chief and well over 10k in attendance? We all knew they were buttering him up for some kind of H1B giveaway, but he shut down any hope of that during the same visit. And here we have the proof. As an IT worker, I thank President Trump for opening up pathways to better tracks within my career. I was this close to giving up and becoming an auto mechanic.
He needs to curb that shit for all of USA.
Great. Maybe learning to code will be worth something now.
fuck YESSSSSSSS! don't back down to the lobbyists of the big tech overlords!
Now do academia...
This is great! We've got 320 million people in this country, that's enough to train for ANY job. Skills shortages are BULLSHIT.
So the tech companies want to suppress conservatives, right. This outta effect their bottomline.
Affect*
Yup. Hopefully they’ll get their poetic justice.
Can't upvote this as we've recently learned with the platform/publisher Section 230 Executive Order, Executive Orders accomplish nothing.
PMs of the world rejoice.
This is a big deal for everyone in the tech industry.
You crazy son of a bitch, you did it.
Now do Upwork. Who needs H1Bs anymore?
More bigoted executive order from Blurumpf. When will this end? /s
The fact we were ever farming out our government jobs to foreigners is despicable.
I'm not opposed to hiring talent when its impossible to find it otherwise, but companies just say this line in order to undercut American wages. With all of the rhetoric in the US rn I would prefer the pot to melt before letting anyone else in and if or when it is time to let others in it must be done legally and through merit. I will not tolerate people in this Country that don't embrace becoming American, but would rather shit over the history of this Country that our forefathers fought so valiantly to uphold. I'm looking at you Ilhan Omar. Look me in the eye when you shit talk America. Coming from an American whose ancestors fought in the Revolution, Civil War, both World Wars, lost a relative due to complications after 9/11. As far as I'm concerned she can walk herself out the door, its evident she doesn't like it here so its probably best for everyone.
What talent is impossible to find in the US?
You won't find a seasoned Architect for 30.00 an hour, but you can find plenty if you pay the correct price of 80 - 100 an hour.
The only thing impossible to find is US tech talent willing to work for indentured servant wages.
Incoming lawsuit from Amazon/Microsoft/Expedia AG's
Good start
Overturned in 3...2...
Only for government agencies...