I think some of ya'll are massively overestimating how introspective and rationale most people are. The "battle lines" have already been drawn. Very few people who supported BLM and the riots are going to watch that bodycam footage and actually change their existing opinion.
I'm MAGA but I consider myself fairly capable of taking my bias out of the equation. I also happen to have a job that puts me right in the thick of these George Floyd kinds of incidents pretty much daily. They happen all the time, it's just that usually people don't die.
So, with all that being said I'm going to make a pariah out of myself here and stick to my guns that Floyd was a PoS but so was Chauvin. I never thought Chauvin committed first degree murder, but he's definitely guilty of negligent behavior. We call what Floyd was doing "Incarceritis" but even if we know people are bullshitting an EMS assignment is dispatched early to check the guy out and he's given the benefit of the doubt. Just because you're a criminal doesn't mean an officer can deny you medical attention. It also doesn't mean this use of force technique was used appropriately.
I know people on this website hate the idea that simultaneously they can both be bad but take it from someone in the industry - this isn't the rack you wanna hang your coat on. It isn't gonna change minds.
You're spot on, man. Once I found out the kind of guy Floyd was, my mind basically said:
"So some douchebag, who happens to be a white cop, killed another douchebag, who happened to be black. No one should die that way, even if he is a douchebag."
Nobody supported Chauvin. Not anyone I saw here, or anywhere else. This at least gives some context and blows the media and BLM narrative out of the water.
Its not so much the "cops did the right thing" as "we were lied to about what really happened."
I viewed it through the eyes of a leftist (i.e. without logical thoughts and pure emotion) All I saw was an innocent black man begging for his life. The pigs are evil and of course ORANGE MAN BAD. I did not focus on the fact where he CLEARLY says I Can't Breathe when he absolutely could. (Handcuffs have been proven to block airway passages dontcha know.) He was claustrophobic dammit!!! He was anxious and he should have been gingerly carried away in the vehicle of his choice or better yet immediately freed so he could continue the cycle of drug abuse, crime and fatherlessness in his neighborhood.
Check the reddit frontpage. I'm dumbfounded at the turnaround. The top level comments are not the groupthink I expect. I can barely believe it, it feels really relieving...
I think some of ya'll are massively overestimating how introspective and rationale most people are. The "battle lines" have already been drawn. Very few people who supported BLM and the riots are going to watch that bodycam footage and actually change their existing opinion.
I'm MAGA but I consider myself fairly capable of taking my bias out of the equation. I also happen to have a job that puts me right in the thick of these George Floyd kinds of incidents pretty much daily. They happen all the time, it's just that usually people don't die.
So, with all that being said I'm going to make a pariah out of myself here and stick to my guns that Floyd was a PoS but so was Chauvin. I never thought Chauvin committed first degree murder, but he's definitely guilty of negligent behavior. We call what Floyd was doing "Incarceritis" but even if we know people are bullshitting an EMS assignment is dispatched early to check the guy out and he's given the benefit of the doubt. Just because you're a criminal doesn't mean an officer can deny you medical attention. It also doesn't mean this use of force technique was used appropriately.
I know people on this website hate the idea that simultaneously they can both be bad but take it from someone in the industry - this isn't the rack you wanna hang your coat on. It isn't gonna change minds.
You're spot on, man. Once I found out the kind of guy Floyd was, my mind basically said:
"So some douchebag, who happens to be a white cop, killed another douchebag, who happened to be black. No one should die that way, even if he is a douchebag."
Nobody supported Chauvin. Not anyone I saw here, or anywhere else. This at least gives some context and blows the media and BLM narrative out of the water.
Its not so much the "cops did the right thing" as "we were lied to about what really happened."
I viewed it through the eyes of a leftist (i.e. without logical thoughts and pure emotion) All I saw was an innocent black man begging for his life. The pigs are evil and of course ORANGE MAN BAD. I did not focus on the fact where he CLEARLY says I Can't Breathe when he absolutely could. (Handcuffs have been proven to block airway passages dontcha know.) He was claustrophobic dammit!!! He was anxious and he should have been gingerly carried away in the vehicle of his choice or better yet immediately freed so he could continue the cycle of drug abuse, crime and fatherlessness in his neighborhood.
Just because one can suck air through their trachea, does not mean one can oxygenate their brain if their carotid arteries are being crushed.
Check the reddit frontpage. I'm dumbfounded at the turnaround. The top level comments are not the groupthink I expect. I can barely believe it, it feels really relieving...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/i34b5s/leaked_george_floyd_bodycam_footage/