It took 14 months but we lost the battle in AZ Superior Court against our HOA regarding our Trump 2020 flag. Judge Robert Olson just happens to be recent Treasurer for Arizona Democrat Party. Next step AZ Court of Appeals.
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That’s not even a joke. It’s complete fact.
Spittin' facts
They are not a group, but an Annoyance of Karen’s.
I that they calls a group of Karens a Complaint.
Depends on the HOA. Some can be insufferable assholes, most are just fine. They can prevent animal hoarders, unlicensed car repair shops, mentally ill asshole neighbors painting their house Throbbing Dildo Pink, and other annoyances from ever getting started, or at least deal with them expeditiously when someone manages initially to hide the problem.
I knew a shithead vegan Canadian who started an "animal shelter" in a formerly peaceful neighborhood. He rented a house (couldn't afford to actually buy one) and built around fifty cages all over the lawn to house random stray dogs that people had dumped, then packed all the cages full. The smell was horrible, not to mention the constant noise from all of these ill-tempered animals that had been forced together. There wasn't any law against it where he was, so his neighbors basically paid off the cops to make shit up, haul the dogs off, and gas them all. Then they told his landlord to cut the crap or they'd burn the house down, and ran the shithead out of town.
Closer to home, there was exactly one house on my block that the owner had put into the "Section 8" program. He'd done it years before I bought my place, and the tenant he had in there when I moved into the neighborhood was a harmless hippie pothead. Unfortunately, the pothead got sick of the landlord refusing to do repairs on things like having a working heating system in winter. So the pothead moved out and a single mom with multiple "if Obama had a herd of sons" by different fathers moved in. They brought all their gang buddies into the neighborhood resulting in some scumbag trying to kick in my door at 3am one night. I don't know if an HOA can legally block "Section 8" rentals, but they can ban ALL rentals, which works just fine, or put very strict restrictions on rentals (like at most 25% of properties in the neighborhood, with fees attached to the permits, and revocation abilities) so that "Section 8" becomes untenable.
Screaming "freedom!!!" is great when it isn't your property value taking a nosedive because some complete fucktard moved in next door and started a pitbull rescue.
But they cant get rid of a halfway home that also has the home owner running a fucking cult. Source Neighbor.
Yeah. My closest neighbor is almost a mile away. Couldn't imagine living in a suburb again, let alone one close to a city.
This is what i want eventually..
It's possible friend. VERY possible if your mind and heart is in it.
Without a doubt. I'm definitely moving out to the middle of nowhere as soon as I possibly can. Saving up for land now. I just hope I can do it before things fall apart more (if they do). And I live somewhat near Portland, so they probably will :/
Freedom isn't free. The cost of freedom is sometimes people do things you don't like. Don't be a tyrant.
HOAs are not the problem, they are a symptom. The reason HOAs even exist is because homeowners ended up breaking the social code and doing dump things like hoarding, leaving ugly eye sore like broken down rust buckets in their yards. If people kept up house maintenance and understood what affects housing value (which should be a shared concern), we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Freedom is difficult, and freedom is dangerous. Hardest of all, freedom requires you to solve your own problems yourself.
No... Bad HOAs are awful. Just like any other office held by lefties.
And i always hear him banging his housekeeper
I think it might be his au pair
My sides!
Use a tow mirror when backing up
This is why I live in the woods. I will never live within 50ft of a neighbor again, subdivisions are dehumanizing.
The final step in leaving the plantation. Grow your own food. Create your own water and electric. Show others there is more to life.
Minimum 1 acre on all sides between residents.
I absolutely love all of my neighbors but one. What I love even more though is all of them are more than 250' away from my house.
It depends. You do need to enough about it going in. My parents old neighborhood was dope. Community projects together (bake sales, pressure washing the road, adoptamile outside the neighborhood, canned food drives, etc.), community yards sales, they close the neighborhood during Halloween and only allow trick-or-treating inside the neighborhood and have a hayride. Dues go to decorations, yard maintenance for empty houses, mailbox paint, etc. The only downside I saw was that of you have an outside building, the brick had to match the house.
If you could find a community of like-minded folks, I think HOAs can be good.
Communists have infiltrated the neighborhood, comrade.
communism on a small scale is pretty fucking sweet.
for downvoting idiots im referring to pre-marxist communism
Only if there are enough dildos to go around
technically he's not wrong. Every family unit is socialist/communist. and that's great. The dad and mom provide to take care of the people who can't provide for themselves. (truly)
However the bigger the group of people then the more capitalist it needs to be.
I'll bite. Do you have any examples? Even commune style living comprised of like mimded folks tend to collapse rather quickly
He got the quote wrong. What he really means is that SOCIALISM works better the smaller and more homogenous your population is.
So a place that has like 100 people of the same culture, religion, language, and work ethic could probably make socialism work.
vs.
A place that has 100,000 people, a multitude of different religions, languages, cultures, and work ethic, in which socialism would ruin the community.
This is why homogenous countries like Sweden [which use to be like 99% Swedish people] could theoretically make socialism work vs. In America where implementing Socialism would DESTROY the nation.
In essence YOU CANT HAVE MULTICULTURALISM AND SOCIALISM AT THE SAME TIME.
?
You are the only idiot for espousing communism. Fuck off commie
Careful with that big brain. you might hurt your neck!
lol there was no such thing as premarxist communism. Your feefees get hurt drama?
A simple google search would show you that is not the case buddy
Kind of like my feelings on guns:
The day I will give up my guns, is the day I wouldn't need to.
If you can find a community of like minded people, you don't need an HOA.
The day you don't need your guns is the day human beings stop being violent deadbeats.
On the same day Hell freezes over.
Bingo
Edit: Basically, people think gun violence is a reason to give up guns. I say it is the reason you need guns. Because it proves there are shitty people out there that would do others harm, whether that is as an individual or as a government.
As soon as all violence stops, you might not need a gun, but then the violence stopped so why does it matter if people have guns?
our community was like that from 2005 through 2015. The HOA hired a new Property Manager. That is the day it died.
That's all it takes: one @$$hat to ruin everything. All it takes is one.
Maricopa county, Phoenix??
Pinal County, Coolidge
wow, surprising that would happen out that way
cruise the neighborhood on the lookout for any house that has any political signs Democrat/BLM/Antifa and if they aren't doing anything about others than you will have some type of case, I think but I'm not a lawyer I just play one on the internet
Political signs are banned by the covenants. Some people put big ass Trump stickers on their cars and park them in the driveway instead. Ain't anyone around here doing that for BLM/Antifa/DementiaJoe
Yeah fuck that, the schools can teach leftist religion, and you can't support a president? Good luck to you and fight strong!
It depends on what the covenants and rules say. A lot of HOAs ban all signs other than for sale signs and all flags other than US flag.
How a big for sale sign with Trump 2020 between the for and sale words?
Need the Gadsen flag too, tho.
Use a projector, it's not a sign nor a flag. It's patterns of light.
just do it!! Paint your house red white and blue. Paint your car. I feel for ya bro!! I absolutely do!! Hope you win. Remember you can't just troll(even though this isn't that). Be smart!! You can still support. Hang a Trump flag in your window in your house. Never surrender to these commies and their anti America laws!! Hang Trump flags on your car!! Also dont forget your MAGA 2020 TSHIRT!!
We tried signs too and the cease and desist letters came then I thought about it, bought a Trump 2020 sun screen for the car and back the car in the driveway. Not a damn thing they can do. No letters. 😁 might actually buy a junker to park in driveway so the sign can be in the window even when we go to work.
100% keep up the fight!! I'm sure most of your neighbors are on your side. It probably just 1 or 2 of them that are reeeeeeee all day about it!!! Good luck KAG
Not one neighbor ever said a word about the flag. I talk to them. A couple (democrats) simply said "it is your right". Unfortunately, our board is majority displaced Californians.
Not like they're exactly gonna snitch themselves out either
From cali. Maybe you should remind them of where they came from and why they left!!!
Assuming you have read the HOA bylaws, there are always loopholes ready to be taken advantage of.
Most HOAs have rules specifying what colors are allowed for homes in a neighborhood. You may not be allowed to paint your house with a Stars and Strip es, but you may be able to paint a Trump banner using the authorized colors.
There's probably a rule about abandoned cars in your driveway. Of course with everyone always home that one's hard to enforce right now.
You should get one of those lifted trucks that people like to fly flags out of the back of. You could have several flags attached to the truck and it would probably be within the rules.
Take it for a drive around the neighborhood every couple of days as proof that it's not abandoned and also advertising.
Buy a big was can and paint it Maga red.
Seems like you should have demanded that the judge recuse himself due to an obvious conflict of interest.
Pretty sure that's an automatic gimme (on the first such request) in Illinois, don't know about Arizona procedure.
HOA is weird. Can't support the president on private property? Maybe try a BLM flag then call them racists? How about an American flag with 2020? Sends the same message.
Or a hundred American flags. No Joe Biden supporter is going to fly a flag. Anyone who drives by will know who you support.
I have a 'neighbor' (they actually live a few blocks away) who is a lib and they started flying their flag upside down when Trump got elected. Finally it ripped enough that they took it down and no longer fly a flag. Good reminder to buy a new, bigger flag.
HOAs suck donkey balls!
I’m sure that you’ve tried, but perhaps you could do a HOA takeover. You have to know the rules and exactly how to fiddle with them, but it’s usually possible to get the president position and make the rules ridiculous. My favorite would be “only the HOA President can call meetings” “issues may only be addressed in official meetings” “new positions may only be nominated at official meetings.” “Official meetings require 100% membership attendance for quorum.” Then, I resign.
If it’s a legal HOA, they must follow impossible rules to have any teeth.
2 years ago we tried. There were 3 of the 5 seats vacant. We got three new good people elected. Next day property manager sent out a recall letter to all homeowners recalling the three. AZ law requires a recall to start with a petition signed by minimum 25% of homeowners. She skipped that. So I took the HOA to court and won. Then the property manager declared that there was actually a tie for third and the only recourse was to put both on the board. Need a majority to get rid of her and we just couldn't do it. After that, I got the summons to Superior Court for my flag.
Yeah, I figured it was something like that. Sorry to hear.
Also, you can't expand the board seats to 6 just because there was a tie. The declarations specify the number of board seats; this sounds suspect.
Sounds like fighting HOAs is good practice for aims of a higher office.
Maybe we have to face the fact that some pedes need to start running for things.
I got deep into HOA issues. The way I did it was to proxy hoard and bring >50% of the neighborhood's votes via proxy and take over the board. I then fired the existing attorney, replaced him, and then got opinions issued based on interpretations of the declarations that were more favorable to me. The other board members eventually quit so I had total control. The law favors the board and the HOA, so if you live in one, you absolutely need to be on the board with allies.
Lawyers were largely a dead end when I wasn't on the board. They'd waste money or they weren't well versed in community association law. Taking over the board is the only true way to get rid of tyrants -- going door to door and getting proxies is the way you fight it.
For those who don’t live in AZ, pretty much all the nice neighborhoods have some sort of fucking HOA.
Keep fighting the good fight!!
You just gotta find the old neighborhoods and there are tons. The other requirement is to make sure that its an expensive neighborhood so that there is less chance of fuckery. 500K minimum.
Sigh. Yeah. But I’m saving up to buy land out in the middle bumfuck no where. It’s just so many places are fucked over by people who want to be friends with their kids instead of being parents.
I never understood how it's legal for an HOA to tell anyone what to do with their own property. When you buy a house isn't it your property to do with what you wish?
Otherwise you may as well just rent.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I feel like there's a court case somewhere that could render HOAs a thing of the past. The general concept of what they are and how they are able to operate really bugs me.
That's why I never understood living in an HOA. I own my house, fuck you, I'll put whatever I want on my house. HOA feels like the expense of buying with the restrictions of renting. Makes no sense to me.
I mean, even when you buy a house outside an HOA, it's still not really yours. As long as property taxes exist you never really own a home or the land it's built on.
That's a good point. We need property tax reform. I was reading how back in 1796 the state of Delaware didn't tax properties directly but instead taxed income from a property, if applicable. That makes sense to me.
The fact we allow our states to simply tax the property we already own is beyond me.
HOAs are a perfect example of how you need to be extremely careful to whom you give power.
As a resident of Phoenix, I can tell you the HOAs here are managed by mostly insane retired teachers on a power trip.
Judges should have no political ties either way, they should be politically neutral and focused only on applying the rules of law that is not tainted by viewing any case through a political lense. I would go so far to say that they should not be allowed to vote/make political donations or endorsements and there should be a regulatory body to hunt out the bad apples
I’m sure that you’ve tried, but perhaps you could do a HOA takeover. You have to know the rules and exactly how to fiddle with them, but it’s usually possible to get the president position and make the rules ridiculous
Keep up the fight.
HOA’s were the first wave of Marxism. We just didn’t know it at the time home builders seized upon them as a permanent revenue stream to take away the will of the people, or homeowners.
You knew about the HOA when you bought the house, right? This is like suing about the humidity when you move to Florida. I wish you all the luck in the world, though.
Knowing there's an HOA is not the same as knowing the HOA, or property management company are assholes.
An HOA is a lottery. It's not like someone is able to ask in advance if its entirely run by a fairy and women.
Ask for the meeting minutes, the financials, etc. Make sure you put an HOA contingency in the buyer's contract if you're buying into an HOA.
I'm never living in an HOA again, for what it's worth.
I read ours after the fact and didn't see anything that would've tipped me off. Good call though for future purchases. Can't really live in an urban area without an HOA but that would be a good way to filter some
A continuous lottery. It can always get taken over by Karens down the road.
Fucking humidity. I wish I could sue.
Sitting in my Florida back yard right now sweating my ass off while a new floor gets installed in my house.
I feel ya in Georgia, but I'm sure you have it worse. I grew up in Idaho so it's been an adjustment to say the least.
In Arizona HOAs are so prevalent it is difficult to find a home without one in town.
My HOA wanted to ban solar panels from being installed on the street facing side of the homes.... So homes facing south would have to put the panels on the back of the house.... that receives less sun
Are they against renewable energy? Saving the environment?
I will rub my dick across a cheese grater multiple times before ever moving to a HOA home. I don't care how nice the place is.
Best of luck pede
I think my neighborhood may technically have an HOA, but the guy that ran it moved out and nobody started it back up
At least that's the story I was told before I decided to move in
The president just recently took care of one of the main problems that the democrats used to infiltrate and overtake HOA's. The affordable housing BS laws made it much easier for poison from the cities to get into the gated communities, etc.
I've always heard that HOA prevails in court no matter what. That they function almost like their own government. You either follow their rules or you pay the fine, get a lien put on your home, etc. This is why I will never buy a home in an HOA.
We have an HOA that is generally fine.
Can people fly BLM flags?
Don’t buy houses in HOA’s. Never worth it.
Kudos for the Effort!
You could just replace with a Trump sign..
C. Notwithstanding any provision in the community documents, an association shall not prohibit the indoor or outdoor display of a political sign by an association member on that member’s property, except that an association may prohibit the display of political signs earlier than seventy-one days before the day of an election and later than three days after an election day.
An association may regulate the size and number of political signs that may be placed on a member’s property if the association’s regulation is no more restrictive than any applicable city, town or county ordinance that regulates the size and number of political signs on residential property.
If the city, town or county in which the property is located does not regulate the size and number of political signs on residential property, the association shall not limit the number of political signs, except that the maximum aggregate total dimensions of all political signs on a member’s property shall not exceed nine square feet.
For the purposes of this subsection, “political sign” means a sign that attempts to influence the outcome of an election, including supporting or opposing the recall of a public officer or supporting or opposing the circulation of a petition for a ballot measure, question or proposition or the recall of a public officer.
So, ........ I bought a Trump 2020 sun screen for the Malibu. I back it into the driveway when I get home and put up the sun screen. No rules (yet) about automobile window sun screens. Have not heard a peep out of the HOA. :-)
That’s a great idea lol
So, we bought a windshield sun screen Trump sign. I back the car in the driveway, put up yhe windscreen and drive the other car. Not a word. 😁
Are your attorneys working pro bono? Where can we donate.
Thanks for the offer. If we win in the next court, they have to pay all of our court costs and legal fees. If we lose, I have to pay theirs. I am not a loser. They won on a false premise. Higher court won't go there, I don't think.
Get teams to go in overnight and paint big ass TRUMP 2020 on the roads in the HOA. Roads are city owned and then the HOA has no authority over them. Sure, the city might remove them but in most large cities that takes months.
You could also “chalk” this slogan on your driveway.
Buy some drones and hang a Trump 2020 flag from it. Then have it hover and pit it on auto pilot. When batteries run low use other drone while charging. Only needs to go up enough to keep flag from dragging on ground. Since not high enough HOA can’t say privacy is being invaded.
Put “Christmas” lights on house using Trump 2020 in them, lights are legal.
How can he not have to recuse himself?
“Freedom of speech for me, not you!”
-Democrat Party
Fight back.
Keep up the good fight!! 🇺🇸
Why are HOA's even legal?
You choose to live in a house, not join a cult.
HOAs suck. Shit floats. My board floats
That is why we are off to Arizona Court of Appeals. I am 75, owned a lot of homes in several states. First time lucky enough to get an HOA. As I said above, first 10 years were great. Then new property manager and it all went to Hell in a hand basket. Had I only known.