Source of 5,500,000 pounds of explosives sitting in Beirut port warehouse. Remaining question - Why was it left there for 7 years?
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But the thing burned via fire, not presumably via a true detonation (which was the end result, but achieved less efficiently than what a planned detonation would do).
It is not normally possible to get an explosion out of Amonium Nitrate just via a fire, but the pressure of the massive volume surely helped.
Even if detonated, pound for pound, Amonium Nitrate has only 42% the power of TNT. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent
Would not shock me if the blast was between 500 tons and a kiloton TNT equivalent.
Google grain silo explosions, it’s very very possible from just a fire
I worked at a feed mill, it caught on fire a year after I left and they were very lucky it was in a non severe area and not the silo.
Don’t use google.
I’ve been finding DuckDuckGo to be a great and reliable alternative.
Closer to about 8% in energy released from Little Boy, but obviously a different wave front, no radiation, and a ground burst instead of an air burst.
https://thedonald.win/p/GbyGoaMa/origin-of-the-2750-tons-of-ammon/c/15HbS8aQwW
Like 8%?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG1OBQa2fLw
Yeah powerful explosion. OKC bombing was 4,000 lbs of NH4NO3 in contrast
But it was soaked in diesel. I'm not sure if that's a linear addition of if it compounds the explosive force. But I would guess it compounds it.
Good point. IIRC, the liquid fuel (diesel) is what generates the heat required for the fertilizer to adequately detonate, however, the NH4NO3 is the muscle behind the blast. NH4NO3 alone is pretty stable so the fuel is required to cause it to vaporize
Lol that place was rigged from top to bottom with explosives. If you think 4,000 lbs of fertilizer will level a concrete and steel building I've got some ocean front property for sale.
psst... I've a great investment opportunity over here. There's this bridge in Brooklyn...
You're absolutely right. If anyone is questioning this comment right here, check out this documentary. OKC bombing was a Psy-Op, the CIA does them all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgfi1QZILxk&t=11s
This pede fucks.
4000 lbs of explosives is the equivalent of 4 Mk84 bombs. They are 2000 pounders but contain 1000lbs of explosives each. The building was not leveled, the front of it was blown. Yes, you could do that with 4000lbs of explosives. You could actually do a lot worse.
You're retarded. Like literally window licking retarded. 4000 lbs of fertilizer you fucking idiot. Mm 84 bombs most likely have TNT in them you retarded cunt. Honestly if you're not a liberal you should be.
Mark 84 bombs have 1000 lbs of Tritonal in them. Not TNT. You're the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. You can pile on the insults, you still don't know what you are talking about. You could have Google that, by the way. Just stay ignorant.
Then why would you compare 4,000 lbs of fertilizer to a bomb that has a much more unstable compound you fucking idiot. See you are in fact retarded different compounds make different booms some booms small (fertilizer) and some booms much much bigger (tritanol). Thanks for playing you complete and utter fucking twat.
Well Mr know it all, I know explosives have different characteristics such a brisance and the likes, and that Tritanol is different from RDX. Some are main charges, some are boosters. The main characteristic of military explosives is not their power. It is the least important, after insensivity, stability, reliability, predictability and density. The ability of a military explosive NOT to blow up is its most important quality. This makes sense to anybody that has been in the military. The McVeigh bomb was not a straight Anfo bomb. He did his homework, and bought and stole many ingredients and components to boost its yield. Do a bit of research, he did.
You should stop being an asshole and debate your point rationally. Insulting people just makes you look like a teen that lost a discussion and can't defend his argument.
Here, I'll do some of the legwork for you. ANFO is about 74% as powerful as TNT. TNT is the standard for Relative Effectiveness. McVeigh used Nitromethane to boost his bomb, making what is called ANNMAL. This stuff has .87 Relative Effectiveness. Almost TNT. Tritonal is at 1.05. You want to argue about .18? OK, we'll ignore all the other shit McVeigh put in that bomb and I'll give you the .18. Heck, I'll even take a cut and instead of dropping 4 Mk 84 bombs, I'll just use 3, and see if I can do a job like this on the face of a building.
The effects of the blast were equivalent to over 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg) of TNT:
Rogers, J. David; Keith D. Koper. "Some Practical Applications of Forensic Seismology" (PDF). Missouri University of Science and Technology. pp. 25–35. Archived (PDF) from the original on October 29, 2013. Retrieved June 5, 2009
Mlakar, Sr., Paul F.; W. Gene Corley; Mete A. Sozen; Charles H. Thornton (August 1998). "The Oklahoma City Bombing: Analysis of Blast Damage to the Murrah Building". Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities. 12 (3): 113–119. doi:10.1061/(ASCE)0887-3828(1998)12:3(113).
I'm taking back that Mk84, and raising you one.
Worked as a security guard over the remains of a silo in Joliet while I trained as a truck driver during the day. One silo was a hole...was actually a series of 3 if I'm recalling correctly. So, yep, I think fertilizer will absolutely level concrete and steel, plus you're contending with Middle Eastern Building Codes that are probably from the 60's. Pretty easy to believe.
Are you retarded? Middle east building codes? Do you know I'm talking about a building in Oklahoma City.
You're talking about the murrah building? Wasn't leveled. Looks like the damage went in 1 room and 1/2. 1/3 of the building. Here's the structural analysis. https://ascelibrary.org/doi/10.1061/%28ASCE%290887828%281998%2912%3A3%28113%29 But I was speaking of the Beirut Building. As for being retarded? relatively, I've had so many seizures my IQ was cut in half before they decided to cut me loose and say "treatment is done, be happy you've got an average IQ." That was 12 years ago, if it's not at moronic stage, I'd be shocked. But again, it's just relative to me.
Also your link is broken and just look at a picture of that building and ask yourself would 1 car parked IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING blow up 2/3 of the structure. But keep drinking that koolaid aid I hear its tasty.
it's 1/3rd of the building. you need to view the pictures. try a screenshot instead of a kaleidoscope. I have no problem with conspiracy theorists. Hell, I married into a family of them. The believe it or not is my call.
https://ascelibrary.org/doi/10.1061/%28ASCE%290887-3828%281998%2912%3A3%28113%29
Well best of luck in the future. I hear crossword puzzles are good for cognitive decline.
Well the amount of Ammonium Nitrate was 2700 tons, which would be 2.7 Kt. Hiroshima was 13-18 Kt. So your math is right. The problem is that you can't pile a lot of regular explosives together before you lose efficiency. And this was old unstable crap, in a pile. Still a lot of boom, but probably not over a kiloton.
Fertilizer?
Say 100+ pounds an acre a year?
Could have sprinkled it on 80 miles of farmland and called it a day.
I agree, there was probably some sort of legal stuff they were trying to figure out. Who owned it, who to charge with crimes, etc. Although I'm not sure why they couldn't have just kept samples of the stuff and gotten rid of the rest.
That's the thing, nobody wanted to claim it. After a few months the cost of transport and storage are greater than the value of the fertilizer itself. I mean ammonium nitrate is made by boiling bat shit, or chicken shit, or whatever is convenient.
On top of that, owner's of the vessel(through a moldovan shell corp.) had borrowed the value of the ship several times over from several different lenders... The situation was messed up. Port Authority should have gotten what they could sorted and auctioned off whatever was there. Obviously government incompetence was a key cause of this shit sitting in that port for 7 years straight.
A few months, shit, a year or two with such a clusterfuck to resolve would be understood. 7 years is unexcusable.
correct me if I'm wrong, but Ammonium Nitrate also becomes increasingly unstable as time passes.
so 7 years in a middle east warehouse going through the summers and winters, chances are it could of been Jamal Al-Jizzera taking a smoke break in a dangerous area.
Look at West, Texas Explosion. Also Ammonium Nitrate, but in lower quantity.
Most big explosions were a fuck up. All ammo depot explosions, that fertilizer ship in Texas, that ammo ship explosion in Halifax, that Evangelos Florakis Naval Base in Cyprus. All screw ups.
This is as solid a theory as I've heard yet.
Link to source - http://shiparrested.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The-Arrest-News-11th-issue.pdf#page=3
Where I heard about it was, of course, a post on TD.win.
https://thedonald.win/p/GbyGoaMa/origin-of-the-2750-tons-of-ammon/
we are the news media now
Lazy Bureaucracy at its finest
Sometimes it’s just occum’s razor
Because it was the source of materials for palestinian terrorist primitive rockets and other muslim ieds?
That would be a good guess.
My guess as well
I'm going with this plus Mossad cleaning up the mess for them.
Morons....
Darwin at work.
Bureaucracy kills
Suppose I've grown quite cynical in my older age, but this reeks of a cover story. Probably true, but as OP asks, why was it there for so long? Should have been auctioned off a long time ago. Ammonium nitrate is not very combustible on its own, so why would they store fireworks next to it? Video here can see fireworks going off.
Probably all true and just a bad case of mismanagement. But Beirut seems a bit out of their way if they were heading to the Suez. Why not stop in Cyprus or go straight to Alexandria or Port Said? Were they supposed to have "mechanical trouble" en route and just end up in Beirut and have the cargo "abandoned"?
"Why would they store fireworks next to it" You have not spent enough time in the middle east. Those countries do not operate on the same fire code and safety codes. Also remember some bad people would like to use some of those chemicals.
One thing that we tend to forget is our common sense with workplace safety is a very new thing.
Even in American history we had to be beaten with a hammer to stop doing dangerous things that they were cheaper or easier because of the risks of catastrophe
Lots of the world hasn’t gotten this memo yet.
Probably their designated Dangerous Cargo Area. All airfields have them, must be the same for ports.
Lebanon had much bigger things to worry about than disposing of enormous amounts of shit that nobody wanted, most likely.
The amount claimed in the article is 3x the amount of ammonium nitrate that blew up in China in 2015.
Did this explosion look 3x larger than that one?
More likely that this was an Iranian weapons cache. The 'fireworks' of the initial fire was likely the war heads exploding, and the big explosion was likely the rocket fuel being detonated.
The red smoke at the end is considered a dead give away for Ammonium Nitrate from what demolitionists and chemists have been saying
Good score, pede! We are the news!
Monday, September 23rd, 2013 was the day Raymond Reddington turned himself in to the FBI. Clearly, this goes deeper than any of us know.
Bleeding hearts with the best of intentions strike again.
It appears gov't incompetence is the reason it was stored in the warehouse for so long. It doesn't surprise me that it was left there and not handled.
Whether the fire was an accident or someone got wind of it and started it on purpose is another investigation that needs to occur.
what happened to that eye witness video that clearly showed something flying in and detonating the big boom. It was small and was referred to as a "missile"
Probably for the same reason a similar amount was left in Cyprus at the Evangelos Florakis Naval Base. It blowed up on 11 July 2011. Only 13 dead.