Out of the past million years though 900,000 of them have included glaciers down to about Missouri and sea ice down to Florida. If that trend continues, and it likely will, we might be glad for a little extra co2 in the atmosphere. Co2 levels are still fairly low compared to what they were historically as well, despite the screeching.
Honestly rising water levels is bull too, if that were the case, the libs that own oceanfront property would be selling it to get rid of it because "muh climate change" yet they aren't. Always follow the money.
Okay. Something most people don’t understand about rising water levels. It does not function the way the left says it does.
Water displacement is the name of the game. Arctic ice is mostly Sea Water/Salt Water...so, it’s already in salt water. The water is already displaced by the density of ice, even if it melts. Water levels will not rise. You can try it at home too!!
Take a glass of water, through in ice cubes till it’s near the top. Let it melt. I bet you it won’t overflow. This is because the ice will displace the same volume of water in either solid or a liquid state.
The flaw in your argument is accounting for the ice above the sea level - in the south, that's most of the ice. If it melted (it's not), it would raise the sea levels. And, the percentage of the ice above sea level in the north is above water, too - so melting it would raise the sea levels. (it's not).
On paper, if all of the sea ice melted, we would see the sea levels rise. But they're not, other than the cyclic thaw and refreeze that happens every year. And, going by the sun, the earth is entering a cooling phase.
I mean, do they think people are going to stand around and wait until they drown after 50 years as the water rises inch per decade? Their logic is so dumb
I've said it before I'll say it again all climate change is is a scam to enrich the green energy lobbyists. Just look at who they donate too in Congress...the Democrats
Milankovitch cycles dictate long term climate. The mechanisms coupling long term and short term climate are still "under review" by todays climate "experts"
Sure, but we have our own sources of water, and what we do to the air locally has more effect than whatever China is doing. This has nothing to do with Climate
Change, and everything to do with not wanting lead in water. I think you misunderstood what I was saying? Or do you not see a difference between pollution and "Climate Change"?
In the Permian era it took continuous eruptions of the Siberian traps over a period of roughly 800,000 years AND massive algae blooms to produce enough greenhouse gas to change climate. This was a positive feedback loop caused by Milankovitch cycles.
"There is no question that very large volcanic eruptions can inject significant amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens vented approximately 10 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in only 9 hours. However, it currently takes humanity only 2.5 hours to put out the same amount."
We have to get over the decades of fear mongering to finally get to that point. It also doesn't help when situations like Fukushima taint people even more to the point that they don't listen when you refute that with, "maybe we shouldn't build nuclear power plants in areas that have excessive tectonic activity AND are prone to tsunami's?"
Look at Permian era climate and what caused the series of extinctions. The ocean had to get up to 104 F, its currently nowhere close. Its worth noting that while Antarctica's west shelf is melting, its eastern portion is growing considerably.
My feeling is that the contribution by man is present - I'm old enough to remember flying into LA before they started cleaning the air - the sun is the most significant factor, and is so large a factor, it's ridiculous to think our best efforts to trash the planet are stronger.
But i do think we need a cleaner planet. i'm all for clean air and water, but not as a gateway drug to communism/socialism/globalist fuckery.
Glad to see this here. We know the damn climate is changing, but why do all the proposed solutions line up perfectly with leftist political goals? :bigThonk:
Man made CC is real to an extent, but that doesn’t mean socialism is the solution
It's some part of the climate equation no doubt.
Out of the past million years though 900,000 of them have included glaciers down to about Missouri and sea ice down to Florida. If that trend continues, and it likely will, we might be glad for a little extra co2 in the atmosphere. Co2 levels are still fairly low compared to what they were historically as well, despite the screeching.
This is true, however rising water levels in coastal cities ain’t gonna be good. Wait.. Coastal cities... California... New York...
Second thought, maybe that will be good.
We need John Galt.
Mid 1900's Massachusetts used this to infect surrounding states.
Honestly rising water levels is bull too, if that were the case, the libs that own oceanfront property would be selling it to get rid of it because "muh climate change" yet they aren't. Always follow the money.
Okay. Something most people don’t understand about rising water levels. It does not function the way the left says it does.
Water displacement is the name of the game. Arctic ice is mostly Sea Water/Salt Water...so, it’s already in salt water. The water is already displaced by the density of ice, even if it melts. Water levels will not rise. You can try it at home too!!
Take a glass of water, through in ice cubes till it’s near the top. Let it melt. I bet you it won’t overflow. This is because the ice will displace the same volume of water in either solid or a liquid state.
Ice displaces more water in a solid state.
Except your theory doesn’t account for water ice not located in the ocean.
The flaw in your argument is accounting for the ice above the sea level - in the south, that's most of the ice. If it melted (it's not), it would raise the sea levels. And, the percentage of the ice above sea level in the north is above water, too - so melting it would raise the sea levels. (it's not).
On paper, if all of the sea ice melted, we would see the sea levels rise. But they're not, other than the cyclic thaw and refreeze that happens every year. And, going by the sun, the earth is entering a cooling phase.
You liar! Listen to the scientists! Oh wait, you're right...But the POLAR BEARS! Reeeeeeee
Why are we conceding this crap? Everything I've researched says it's complete crap and none of the numbers can be trusted.
if rising sea levels was in any way a real threat, Leftists wouldn't be spending top-dollar on ocean-front villas.
I mean, do they think people are going to stand around and wait until they drown after 50 years as the water rises inch per decade? Their logic is so dumb
I've said it before I'll say it again all climate change is is a scam to enrich the green energy lobbyists. Just look at who they donate too in Congress...the Democrats
Milankovitch cycles dictate long term climate. The mechanisms coupling long term and short term climate are still "under review" by todays climate "experts"
"Man Made Climate Change is Real"
translates to
"The world would be different, without humans."
Hard to disagree with that! But where do you go from there?
That's why I love President Trump's Administration's focus on Clean Air and Clean Water.
Yep, pollution and it's direct impact on health is way more important than propping up globalist extortion.
But those are problems for which actual solutions could be enacted, that's just not the communist way, man!
Most of the pollution in the world comes from China, Karen. Get your climate change propaganda put of here.
Sure, but we have our own sources of water, and what we do to the air locally has more effect than whatever China is doing. This has nothing to do with Climate Change, and everything to do with not wanting lead in water. I think you misunderstood what I was saying? Or do you not see a difference between pollution and "Climate Change"?
Mt st. Hellens eruption produced more co2 than all of human kind. Now, we also have other volcano's currently active.. nothing adds up ever
In the Permian era it took continuous eruptions of the Siberian traps over a period of roughly 800,000 years AND massive algae blooms to produce enough greenhouse gas to change climate. This was a positive feedback loop caused by Milankovitch cycles.
Fake news alert! Your claim is clearly disproven
"There is no question that very large volcanic eruptions can inject significant amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens vented approximately 10 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere in only 9 hours. However, it currently takes humanity only 2.5 hours to put out the same amount."
Sauce: https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/vhp/gas_climate.html
Answer: nuclear power.
Which, thankfully, Trump and some in Congress are supporting as well.
We have to get over the decades of fear mongering to finally get to that point. It also doesn't help when situations like Fukushima taint people even more to the point that they don't listen when you refute that with, "maybe we shouldn't build nuclear power plants in areas that have excessive tectonic activity AND are prone to tsunami's?"
To be fair to Japan, they are an island nation and don't have a lot of land area to potentially put a power plant on.
Then there's the USA.
Look at Permian era climate and what caused the series of extinctions. The ocean had to get up to 104 F, its currently nowhere close. Its worth noting that while Antarctica's west shelf is melting, its eastern portion is growing considerably.
My feeling is that the contribution by man is present - I'm old enough to remember flying into LA before they started cleaning the air - the sun is the most significant factor, and is so large a factor, it's ridiculous to think our best efforts to trash the planet are stronger.
But i do think we need a cleaner planet. i'm all for clean air and water, but not as a gateway drug to communism/socialism/globalist fuckery.
Exactly. Should we not be good sovereigns?
My point is that any deviation from "it is 100% settled science!" causes Leftists to scream that you're ignorant.
Glad to see this here. We know the damn climate is changing, but why do all the proposed solutions line up perfectly with leftist political goals? :bigThonk: