There just isn't an equivalent nationalism in the USA. Fascists fighting communists is just one totalitarian system fighting another. Here, a person called a nationalist may like their country, but they do not want to expand it and they largely want an unobtrusive central government.
It is on a completely different scale. A nationalist here is less nationalist than most of the population of most of the countries that defeated Hitler. So maybe some force would arise to counter Marxism, but it will not be a bunch of socialist totalitarians as it was with the Nazis.
Soccer hooligans it is then! Patriots preventing another Civil War is EXACTLY our situation, and we'd better take this fookin serious.
It is not 1776, neither ia it Civil War. In some places we can be force multipliers for local LEOs, which is the best strategy. You have to find out if that will work where you are, and sell it.
Marxists always start shit. Always produce only one thing: mass starvation and death. Let's just cut to the chase: the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
They were most definitely quite violent. You may recall that the Rosa Luxembourg murder, who is used as a 'martyr' among the German/european Commies, was a reaction to their attack on the Thule Society(German Nationalist) headquarters. They conveniently don't mention the murders of the TS members.
Any Communist assembly is violent, or, threatening violence.
The "Brown Shirts" were formed in response to Pantifa attacking and intimidating people into supporting communism. Eventually people got the hint that either you sided with the commies or you banded together under one banner. Adolf Hitler wanted to fix his nation and improve the conditions where as the commies... Well I don't think I need to explain what they want. With his speeches, his service during the first World War, on top of actually caring about his fellow countrymen this inspired people to follow him.
Once you start learning history you might notice that many of the same slanders used against The GEOTUS are the same as used against Adolf Hitler. Both men care about their nation and stood up to fight for their nation no matter what it cost them. We're watching shit repeat in a slightly different way... The real question is how things will turn out in the end this time...? It's funny that the Brits interviewed some survivors from the war and asked them if they could do it all over again would they... Many of them said no but a larger number went so far as to say that they would side with Hitler after seeing what "victory" got them...
Hitler had his nation destroyed and then split among the victors along with all the young german men/women/children who died in wars he started over dubious reasons. How was hitler pro german?
They don't tell you this but Poland was massacring it's German population and that's why he invaded. He tried to get the German part of the country brought into Germany peacefully like what he did in Czechoslovakia but Poland wasn't willing to negotiate.
I won't give you more cites that April 30, 1927. Hitler calls down one of the Strasser brothers (I keep confusing Otto and Gregor...it was the one that was in charge of the Party for Northern Germany) for being a Marxist/Socialist, telling him that the Nazis weren't the fucking commies/Bolshevists/Marxists, and weren't going to have any of it.
As I said I'm not giving references, because the "Nazis are Socialists" can be debunked with just a little research, and I'm tired of giving them. It's like persuading the liberals that The Donald wasn't colluding with Russia. They don't listen to facts, just what some detractor mumbled once.
At any rate: Hitler said that he was in no way a Communist. He said that the Marxists abused the word 'Socialist', and he was reclaiming it,
Again, I'm weary of trying to debunk this, but, if you want start out by checking out Mein Kampf, and see what Hitler said about Hitler.
Id rather not live under an extremist violent ideology regardless of what side it takes. Id rather live under God.
This doesn't mean that communists and democrats today don't deserve the worst the world has to offer. This doesn't mean we can't take seemingly extremist measures to protect our country, like closing down the borders for several decades or keeping certain groups from every immigranting here again, among other things.
My fear and my slow realization is there is no way this can be fixed without some radical shift in the system. No matter what there must be a total up-ending of some form of government and institution for there to be peace. And that means pushback. I think we are feeling that pushback.
But they'd tell the church what could be preached, and your property had to be used the way the government told you to use it, which is private property in name only. National socialists did everything the regular socialists did, just with a transparent film of faux separation in between.
Martin Luther was a national hero in Germany, and Hitler was Catholic. The state did not interfere with the church because Christian religious expression was seen as part of the German identity.
You could own a house and a car. Germans were encouraged to save money to buy (get it? buy!) a Volkswagen. You could also own a business, or a bank account, or change jobs. While the State was the biggest actor in the economy, the State is the biggest actor in OUR economy too. It's always the biggest actor.
What you could not do was speak, act or protest against the State. This is horrible. This is also true in communist countries. So let's look at Communism real quick.
No massive starvation in Germany like in the USSR. In fact, Germany became a massive power after 15 years of a great depression and having territory taken away after WW1. Could socialism have done this? Of course not. The USSR, despite having all the natural resources you can imagine, imported food from the West.
I know we like to romanticize our past. But the result of World War 2 was to open a lane for the expansion of Communism, and now it's in our country. Was it designed as such? No one knows. But, hyper-progressive President during the war...maybe it was. Maybe the post-war nationalism was like the period after 9/11, a nation united....and faded away, giving way to Communist bullshit which opened our borders in 1965, infected our schools and media soon after, and we see the results now.
You just gave two options that require socialism and a totalitarian social order.
Is there a third option in there that allows for capitalism or liberty?
Would you rather your son be a communist tranny or a Nazi?
That's not the choice we face today. What we here are choosing is to preserve the Republic that has served America well for generations. We are choosing to preserve our liberties. And like the founding fathers, we choose to fight against authoritarian rule. None of the things that make this nation the greatest on earth have anything in common with the third reich.
Or don't pull ideological would you rathers with no good answer. You can understand and sympathize with Hitler and his peoples plight without condoning all the actions it lead to. After Hitler was smashed we should have just rolled over the soviets and avoided the cold war and communist infection of the USA all together... Sadly it was already underway.
The polish in me has little sympathy for either fucking one.
We were in no position to fight the Soviets, as much as Iy sympathize with Poland's plight of being situated between two monstrous regimes.
If we had more atomic weapons to drop and actually used them to win that war, would we have been any less monstrous? Fortunately we don't have to answer that question, because we were all out of a bombs.
Contrary to popular opinion (even on here) that’s actually how the Nazi brownshirts got started.
Brownshirts were fascists fighting against Communist attacks. Perfect mirror on the antifa side but hard sell on the other side bro.
Probably be like if BLM was fighting Antifa. Quick! Choose a side!
Give it a few more years of Marxist insurgency in the USA and it might not be such a hard sell after all...
But I’m just rambling!
I'm sold on showing the leftists what real fascism is already. You cannot have a free country with people who are incapable of having freedom.
There just isn't an equivalent nationalism in the USA. Fascists fighting communists is just one totalitarian system fighting another. Here, a person called a nationalist may like their country, but they do not want to expand it and they largely want an unobtrusive central government.
It is on a completely different scale. A nationalist here is less nationalist than most of the population of most of the countries that defeated Hitler. So maybe some force would arise to counter Marxism, but it will not be a bunch of socialist totalitarians as it was with the Nazis.
Yeah, granted, but they’ll call you Nazis anyway (protip: they already do)
Some force already arose to defeat antifa. Obviously we need to follow a model other than Proud Boys
were the german preww2 antifa violent first though? or were they just assembling and then the brown shirts attacked? actually asking.
Soccer hooligans it is then! Patriots preventing another Civil War is EXACTLY our situation, and we'd better take this fookin serious.
It is not 1776, neither ia it Civil War. In some places we can be force multipliers for local LEOs, which is the best strategy. You have to find out if that will work where you are, and sell it.
Between the propaganda on both sides of the aisle, we’ll probably never know for sure.
But look up the “Spartakusaufstand” for an early event, I believe the commies started it myself.
Marxists always start shit. Always produce only one thing: mass starvation and death. Let's just cut to the chase: the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.
They were violent first iirc, they did about the same shit they were now.
They were most definitely quite violent. You may recall that the Rosa Luxembourg murder, who is used as a 'martyr' among the German/european Commies, was a reaction to their attack on the Thule Society(German Nationalist) headquarters. They conveniently don't mention the murders of the TS members.
Any Communist assembly is violent, or, threatening violence.
The "Brown Shirts" were formed in response to Pantifa attacking and intimidating people into supporting communism. Eventually people got the hint that either you sided with the commies or you banded together under one banner. Adolf Hitler wanted to fix his nation and improve the conditions where as the commies... Well I don't think I need to explain what they want. With his speeches, his service during the first World War, on top of actually caring about his fellow countrymen this inspired people to follow him.
Once you start learning history you might notice that many of the same slanders used against The GEOTUS are the same as used against Adolf Hitler. Both men care about their nation and stood up to fight for their nation no matter what it cost them. We're watching shit repeat in a slightly different way... The real question is how things will turn out in the end this time...? It's funny that the Brits interviewed some survivors from the war and asked them if they could do it all over again would they... Many of them said no but a larger number went so far as to say that they would side with Hitler after seeing what "victory" got them...
Hitler had his nation destroyed and then split among the victors along with all the young german men/women/children who died in wars he started over dubious reasons. How was hitler pro german?
Do you know who Hitler even was?
They don't tell you this but Poland was massacring it's German population and that's why he invaded. He tried to get the German part of the country brought into Germany peacefully like what he did in Czechoslovakia but Poland wasn't willing to negotiate.
Oy vey
I feel like you're forgetting what the issue is...I can't quite put my finger on it...
Hitler was a faggot socialist. Nice try at glorifying socialism tho.
Sorry, pal, you are misinformed.
I won't give you more cites that April 30, 1927. Hitler calls down one of the Strasser brothers (I keep confusing Otto and Gregor...it was the one that was in charge of the Party for Northern Germany) for being a Marxist/Socialist, telling him that the Nazis weren't the fucking commies/Bolshevists/Marxists, and weren't going to have any of it.
As I said I'm not giving references, because the "Nazis are Socialists" can be debunked with just a little research, and I'm tired of giving them. It's like persuading the liberals that The Donald wasn't colluding with Russia. They don't listen to facts, just what some detractor mumbled once.
At any rate: Hitler said that he was in no way a Communist. He said that the Marxists abused the word 'Socialist', and he was reclaiming it,
Again, I'm weary of trying to debunk this, but, if you want start out by checking out Mein Kampf, and see what Hitler said about Hitler.
Do you happen to have Hitler's weimar republic speech by chance?
brown shirts are already a thing in minneapolis. they're shaking down businesses. social justice is making national socialism look tame in comparison
based
id rather live under nazis than commies
Id rather not live under an extremist violent ideology regardless of what side it takes. Id rather live under God.
This doesn't mean that communists and democrats today don't deserve the worst the world has to offer. This doesn't mean we can't take seemingly extremist measures to protect our country, like closing down the borders for several decades or keeping certain groups from every immigranting here again, among other things.
My fear and my slow realization is there is no way this can be fixed without some radical shift in the system. No matter what there must be a total up-ending of some form of government and institution for there to be peace. And that means pushback. I think we are feeling that pushback.
The radical shift you refer to is the only good Marxist is a dead Marxist. We must not spare..
Correct. No quarter. We can't let this happen again.
False dichotomy
Under nazis you could
None of these were possible under communism
But they never tell us that
Wonder why.
But they'd tell the church what could be preached, and your property had to be used the way the government told you to use it, which is private property in name only. National socialists did everything the regular socialists did, just with a transparent film of faux separation in between.
Nope. None of this is correct.
Martin Luther was a national hero in Germany, and Hitler was Catholic. The state did not interfere with the church because Christian religious expression was seen as part of the German identity.
You could own a house and a car. Germans were encouraged to save money to buy (get it? buy!) a Volkswagen. You could also own a business, or a bank account, or change jobs. While the State was the biggest actor in the economy, the State is the biggest actor in OUR economy too. It's always the biggest actor.
What you could not do was speak, act or protest against the State. This is horrible. This is also true in communist countries. So let's look at Communism real quick.
No massive starvation in Germany like in the USSR. In fact, Germany became a massive power after 15 years of a great depression and having territory taken away after WW1. Could socialism have done this? Of course not. The USSR, despite having all the natural resources you can imagine, imported food from the West.
I know we like to romanticize our past. But the result of World War 2 was to open a lane for the expansion of Communism, and now it's in our country. Was it designed as such? No one knows. But, hyper-progressive President during the war...maybe it was. Maybe the post-war nationalism was like the period after 9/11, a nation united....and faded away, giving way to Communist bullshit which opened our borders in 1965, infected our schools and media soon after, and we see the results now.
Wrong. Read up on history.
Well, considering I'd be murdered for being Jewish, I think I'll pass. Thanks anyway.
You know it's kinda funny
On the far right of the political spectrum, under Nazism, people round up the Jews. On the far left, under Communism, Jews round up the people.
Why are you people so quick to abandon the principles of America's founders? Is it the shitty public education?
To the people downvoting this, you have been programmed and brainwashed into thinking that Nazis are the ultimate evil.
Let me ask you this simple question.
Would you rather your son be a communist tranny or a Nazi?
You just gave two options that require socialism and a totalitarian social order. Is there a third option in there that allows for capitalism or liberty?
In his mind, no. See, REAL Nazism just hasn't been tried yet. It'll work this time guise!
Don't let the Nazi apologist trap you in a binary choice.
Choose AMERICA!
How about 'neither'?
False choice, feeble argument. Even in posing that argument, you want to deny people their right to the pursuit of happiness.
Upvoters, learn to recognize dishonest rhetoric like the false choice. You can detect when your mind is being manipulated, if you pay attention.
That's not the choice we face today. What we here are choosing is to preserve the Republic that has served America well for generations. We are choosing to preserve our liberties. And like the founding fathers, we choose to fight against authoritarian rule. None of the things that make this nation the greatest on earth have anything in common with the third reich.
Or don't pull ideological would you rathers with no good answer. You can understand and sympathize with Hitler and his peoples plight without condoning all the actions it lead to. After Hitler was smashed we should have just rolled over the soviets and avoided the cold war and communist infection of the USA all together... Sadly it was already underway.
The polish in me has little sympathy for either fucking one.
We were in no position to fight the Soviets, as much as Iy sympathize with Poland's plight of being situated between two monstrous regimes.
If we had more atomic weapons to drop and actually used them to win that war, would we have been any less monstrous? Fortunately we don't have to answer that question, because we were all out of a bombs.