This is going to be quick and sloppy, but, as I said, I'm tired of qualifying my statements with references.
Wagener's first quote is unclear. If genuine, WTF did the Fuhrer even mean? He most certainly did NOT nationalize Germany's means of production. Perhaps he meant the unity of Germany under one flag?? Perhaps he meant one party controlled the nation? Perhaps he meant adequate food for his nation?
Here, OW was referring to early Nazi history, as that's what his book was. The Nazis had a substantial number of socialists in the SA, of which Wagener was a member. Hitler worked to get the Marxist socialists out. See my other reference in this thread. They, weren't a clearly defined organization doctrine wise, but, later, H started kicking butt and pulling the Marxist socialists out, or letting them know that they needed to rethink or leave. Rohm, their leader under whom OW worked, was Marx socialist. But, Hitler was the Leader. And, he was the absolute leader; his role was as head of the party, with ZERO room for negotiation. If he said they weren't a Marxist organization, they weren't a Marxist organization-Period. After Hjalmer Schacht introduced Hitler to industrialists, financiers, etc...he made clear that he allowed private ownership of businesses, land, etc... As I said, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, so, if you want more on this, keep researching, don't google Hitler socialism for some quot.
Hitler's definition of 'socialism' is different from that of the Marxists. Remember when I wrote that in this very thread??? That is the reason that I wrote it. If I say I love Communism, and my definition of Communism is molesting chickens, you'd be a fool to say that I was a Marxist, wouldn't you?? H said that he was 'taking back' the word from the Marxists/Bolsheviks. I don't see how you can stay married to your interpretation after such clear disambiguation, from the man himself.
Let me give you a tip, that will save you from considerable embarrassment: Do not quote Rauschning unless you are at a Thelema Lodge, or a Thule Society meetiing. A word to the wise, my friend. Further, H saying that he learned from Marxism is no endorsement of it. One of his many quotes which define him are that, in his reading, he 'kept the essential, and disregarded the non-essential.'
Again, reading is your friend. Hitler's definition of 'capitalism' was "Jewish interest slavery." Cf. F.eder.
Lol you have to be kidding me. So essentially your argument is that word's definitions don't matter and we are all supposed to just take your word for it that hitler had different definitions for words?
I don't feel like referencing anything so you will just have to take my word for it that hitler most definitely was a socialist. Every business in Germany was under strict control from the government and at a moments notice had to change its production in order to support the war effort.
So essentially your argument is that word's definitions don't matter and we are all supposed to just take your word for it that hitler had different definitions for words?
LOL, you're being deliberately obtuse, and your little games are reminiscent of a 5th grader's. If you want to understand what a person means, you need to know what they understand words to mean, this is elementary to ANY form of communication. I said you were being deliberately obtuse-I most definitely hope it was deliberate! Otherwise...
I referred you to Mein Kampf for a socialism quote, and gave you a fine date for the Strasser conflict. You are the one acting as if you are the great scholar,the master of all research and academia. This should be less than child's play for a sleuth such as yourself. You want the Doctor's beret, you'll have to put in more work than a pre-schooler.
Keep your Rauschning quotes, and trouble me no more; when you grow up, you can start playing with the big boys.
Lol, your post screams like a child crying, I AM VERY SMART!
Forgive me if I don't put much weight into Mein Kampf, a book written by a liberal arts student. Maybe its while studying art that Hitler learned his ideas of socialism?
Do you deny that the nazi government strictly controlled all aspects of politics and economics in germany during the nazi timeline? That the nazi government set up control boards, cartels, and state-sponsored monopolies and konzerns, which they then carefully regulated?
Hitler wasn't a Marxist but he certainly was a socialist and there is a wealth of information that proves beyond any doubt that Nazi Germany was a failed socialist state.
Hitler's socialist policies led to the compete destruction of Germany and the loss of millions of lives.
Your argument is the same as every socialist or communist, ThAt WaSnT rEaL sOcIaLiSm!
This is going to be quick and sloppy, but, as I said, I'm tired of qualifying my statements with references.
Wagener's first quote is unclear. If genuine, WTF did the Fuhrer even mean? He most certainly did NOT nationalize Germany's means of production. Perhaps he meant the unity of Germany under one flag?? Perhaps he meant one party controlled the nation? Perhaps he meant adequate food for his nation?
Here, OW was referring to early Nazi history, as that's what his book was. The Nazis had a substantial number of socialists in the SA, of which Wagener was a member. Hitler worked to get the Marxist socialists out. See my other reference in this thread. They, weren't a clearly defined organization doctrine wise, but, later, H started kicking butt and pulling the Marxist socialists out, or letting them know that they needed to rethink or leave. Rohm, their leader under whom OW worked, was Marx socialist. But, Hitler was the Leader. And, he was the absolute leader; his role was as head of the party, with ZERO room for negotiation. If he said they weren't a Marxist organization, they weren't a Marxist organization-Period. After Hjalmer Schacht introduced Hitler to industrialists, financiers, etc...he made clear that he allowed private ownership of businesses, land, etc... As I said, I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, so, if you want more on this, keep researching, don't google Hitler socialism for some quot.
Hitler's definition of 'socialism' is different from that of the Marxists. Remember when I wrote that in this very thread??? That is the reason that I wrote it. If I say I love Communism, and my definition of Communism is molesting chickens, you'd be a fool to say that I was a Marxist, wouldn't you?? H said that he was 'taking back' the word from the Marxists/Bolsheviks. I don't see how you can stay married to your interpretation after such clear disambiguation, from the man himself.
Let me give you a tip, that will save you from considerable embarrassment: Do not quote Rauschning unless you are at a Thelema Lodge, or a Thule Society meetiing. A word to the wise, my friend. Further, H saying that he learned from Marxism is no endorsement of it. One of his many quotes which define him are that, in his reading, he 'kept the essential, and disregarded the non-essential.'
Again, reading is your friend. Hitler's definition of 'capitalism' was "Jewish interest slavery." Cf. F.eder.
Hitler was NOT a Marxist socialist.
Lol you have to be kidding me. So essentially your argument is that word's definitions don't matter and we are all supposed to just take your word for it that hitler had different definitions for words?
I don't feel like referencing anything so you will just have to take my word for it that hitler most definitely was a socialist. Every business in Germany was under strict control from the government and at a moments notice had to change its production in order to support the war effort.
LOL, you're being deliberately obtuse, and your little games are reminiscent of a 5th grader's. If you want to understand what a person means, you need to know what they understand words to mean, this is elementary to ANY form of communication. I said you were being deliberately obtuse-I most definitely hope it was deliberate! Otherwise...
I referred you to Mein Kampf for a socialism quote, and gave you a fine date for the Strasser conflict. You are the one acting as if you are the great scholar,the master of all research and academia. This should be less than child's play for a sleuth such as yourself. You want the Doctor's beret, you'll have to put in more work than a pre-schooler.
Keep your Rauschning quotes, and trouble me no more; when you grow up, you can start playing with the big boys.
Finis.
Lol, your post screams like a child crying, I AM VERY SMART!
Forgive me if I don't put much weight into Mein Kampf, a book written by a liberal arts student. Maybe its while studying art that Hitler learned his ideas of socialism?
Do you deny that the nazi government strictly controlled all aspects of politics and economics in germany during the nazi timeline? That the nazi government set up control boards, cartels, and state-sponsored monopolies and konzerns, which they then carefully regulated?
Hitler wasn't a Marxist but he certainly was a socialist and there is a wealth of information that proves beyond any doubt that Nazi Germany was a failed socialist state.
Hitler's socialist policies led to the compete destruction of Germany and the loss of millions of lives.
Your argument is the same as every socialist or communist, ThAt WaSnT rEaL sOcIaLiSm!