WHITE HOUSE: Executive Order on Addressing the Threat Posed by WeChat
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You cant live in China and not have WeChat. They use it to pay for everything. Even the little old lady selling homemade candies had a QR code printed out and taped to her cart. I left with the same amount of cash I arrived with, as nobody takes it.
The Chinese people are so fucked. Their government has them completely by the balls
Eh, Canada is no significant threat to the US. Sure, they share a border with us, but their population is small, their industry is small, their economy is modest.
"Left coast" - LMAO!
Over here on the East, though, I'm not sure. Kebek is messed up, but I'm seeing more and more of the younger people here hating the choices they have - even the 'Right wing' ones, which are really Left wing, and liking Trump.
An open border on our northern side is a threat.
That's what they want you to think while they secretly weaponize their surplus stockpile of '90s Labatt's ICE.
I think our main export is rocket scientists and has been since, oh, about two in the afternoon on 1959 February 20. Or so.
I’m sorry what?
Canada May turn into globohomo nightmare on our border and you consider this no threat?
You need to look up the word Subversion
Their country. Their rules. We don't have to agree with them.
Maybe time we built A WALL IN THE NORTH
This is so true. ....in many ways. I travelled China in 2010. Around that period, China was better. It is going downhill sadly. I would not return in this current climate.
"look at how advanced we are!"
Yeah you're slaves to your phone's battery, much progress lol
Slaves to your phone's battery.
Brilliantly dystopian and contemporaneously relevant. I'm borrowing it.
LMAO - here's some Activision/Blizzard propaganda on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-dgKbr1AE&t=32m45s
Yep. You cannot live in Chyna without WeChat. You have to quite literally do e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g. using WeChat. And everything you do with WeChat is provided to the CCP in real-time.
They read everything too!! My son was there last year and he texted on WeChat about using google. He was informed it was illegal and everything he texted was being read by the government. Cameras everywhere too! Crazy!
If I ever made plans to travel to China, this would kill any possibility of that happening.
He exagerate a lot. People do use wechat for a lot of stuffs but you can use cash literally anywhere. I've lived there and I never payed anything with wechat, only cash
How many cigarettes do you estimate you passively smoked in China? I have heard the smell is the first thing to hit you when you get off the plane.
There are some funky smells, and you get used to not being able to see more than 30 yards at best. But the part you cannot understand until you see it in person is what that many people really looks like. In Utah, you can pass all the "skyscraper" type buildings in a few minutes in a car. In China, I was on high speed train for 3 hours and it was skycrapers the entire way.
Well, to be fair, Utah is not exactly a high population state. LA, New York, Miami, Houston, Dallas are more along the lines of what you might see in China.
Granted, some of the bigger cities in China have footprints bigger than even our biggest cities, but they do have a lot more people than us.
Comparing SLC to Beijing is, well, more than a bit unfair of a comparison.
I understand that. I was trying to think of a small city. But a train going 300mph would blow through Manhattan pretty quick.
I lived in NYC for 10 years. Went on a business trip to Sao Paulo Brazil. That city is 5 times larger than NYC. Couldn't believe how big it was. Beijing is way bigger than Sao Paulo.
As much as I enjoyed playing Morrowind...
We need a games.win. Miss reminiscing about classics and talking new games
I would stay a while and listen.
Turok. The view distance is liek -->| |<--
If this EO holds water, it's time to short Apple. You can not live in China without Wechat or Tencent services. We're in very bad times, I don't think people understand the potential fallout of this. Tencent in China is not just like Google in the US, Wechat is everything, it's health status verification, official applets, it's how you take public transportation, order food, pay for things online, pay your phone bill, pay for everything (I haven't used cash in China for years, many people won't even take cash anymore because they wouldn't be able to make change), it's even how you pay tax and make customs declarations when importing a package from overseas. Without Wechat, there are cases where you literally wouldn't be able receive a package shipped from the US. That's not even 5% of what Wechat is used for -- it's tied into everything.
Tik Tok is bigger than Twitter with over 100 million US users, that alone is enough to upset a lot of people just before the election, but at least there is some potential way forward with Microsoft. But sanctioning Tencent makes the action against Tik Tok look like an afterthought. This could be very bad.
......... bad? Should we be ruled by a totalitarian ethnostate?
I want to see a better trade policy with China that is more fair, I don't want a scorched earth cold war with China, especially as someone overseas.
I think we all do, but it's pretty clear China has not and will not play fair. They are in it to win it for the ethnostate. Honestly I can't fault them, seems a lot better than our current broken system which rewards traitors for destroying its own people.
The EO bans US individuals from transacting with we-chat. As a US citizen in China, that would destroy my life and potentially leave me in serious dire straits. I wouldn't be able to pay my rent or eat. I would be homeless immediately. Imagine you were traveling in another country and suddenly all the local banks banned Americans and you couldn't use an ATM. If we-chat responds by kicking users who verified through US government ID off their platform it's going to be absolute hell over here. The no transaction policy also applies to Chinese in the US, whose only method of contact with family and friends in China is through Wechat.
This has already set Chinese social media on fire, and it's going to be a huge decoupling between the US and China. It essentially makes life impossible for Americans in China and unpalatable for Chinese in America. This is such bad timing as well because global transportation and borders are shut down due to covid. You can make a policy argument if you think this is a good tactical move by the US, but for my individual interests and many of my friends (many of whom were also Trump supporters), this is some of the most foreboding news we're waking up to in years. Things are going to get very difficult.
I came to say this. Come home. We will happily send the Chinese here back to a China in exchange. Or for free. But really you should come home. You’re in enemy territory as long as the CCP rules.
That's easy to say when it's not your life on the line. Would you risk losing your apartment, your phone and internet, your ability to feed yourself and also be divorced from everyone you know and try to survive outside of society with no lifeline? I have over 4000 facebook friends and I wouldn't give a damn if Facebook was shut down tomorrow. This is not like just banning facebook. This is like banning iMessage, Apple Pay, Paypal, Swipe, Mastercard, Visa, cashApp, Whatsapp, Google, Amazon, DoorDash, Uber, and any bill payment services you use, in a society that doesn't take cash or use any other communication apps. If you think this is about "easier", you're not understanding the gravity of the situation. It would be easier to survive in the US if the government banned you from having a drivers license, insurance and bank account and banned you from any government services as well. That's the only way I can communicate how important this company is to China and people living here. When I go to collect my passport at the entry exit administration, I use wechat. There isn't really any analogue in the US.
I have no interest in arguing with people who I agree with on almost every issue, but you really aren't understanding how big this is or the kind of fallout this will have among Chinese and Americans.
Just read your edit on your original comment, not sure why you are getting downvoted here. I would be scared as fuck with everything going down in 2020, shit was a lot different when I lived there.
Dude, unless you are of han lineage and can get citizenship, pull a runner on your contract or whatever and get out. If you are 'white' you are about to get the Japanese treatment.
"This has already set Chinese social media on fire, and it's going to be a huge decoupling between the US and China. It essentially makes life impossible for Americans in China and unpalatable for Chinese in America."
Works for me. Sorry to be brutally direct, but get the fuck out of communist China and find a better way to make a living.
Honestly I really do feel for you and your friends over there. Lived in HK for a couple years back in the early 00's. Shit's been getting dicey for awhile and honestly China with its immigration/citizenship laws not to mention the farce of a court system has always meant you guys have no real future over there.
Probably should cut losses and come home, I'm surprised there are still some of you over there.
Maybe that's the point. Maybe he wants everyone to go home because something big is about to happen.
This. It’s looking more and more like the warm war with China is going to go hot. This is a clear signal to expats to get out. Pay attention, expat-pedes!
I smell the stench of appeasement
Great info and perspective. Thanks for sharing.
That's not going to happen until CCP exists. The playing field is simply not fair with China's CCP in power.
Or very good, it craters the tech world which will eventually pave the way for all the new tech being built during this whole thing to easily take the spotlight.
Anyone else building something and preparing To put google out of business?
If the great satan google went out of business that would make the 2020's worth it. 2020 has been shit so far, but seeing that racist company go down would bring everything back to neutral.
I hear that, and that’s literally my goal for 2030!
I'll put up a prayer for your success
WeHo?
Na, Brooklyn.
Doesn't Tencent fund a lot of games through Tencent Games?
League of Legends (Riot Games), Fortnite creator Epic Games, Activision-Blizzard, and Path of Exile are funded by Tencent Games in differing percentages.
China ownership kills games. Censorship for the CCP is fucking shit
Yah, if what I think is happening is really happening this is HUGE. This could be the opening salvo of a full on economic war. This could be decoupling happening before our very eyes.
No kidding, this is gonna hit Apple big-time.
You mean good
Remains to be seen. It may not impact business some overseas. But it is more than just Apple. Tencent has a significant stake in many American companies. Will they be forced to divest?
If so then Reddit will get the hammer
Fuck Tim Apple.
Your points are valid, but out of all the tech companies, Apple is quite moderate. While google sells your data and hates America, Microsoft is busy making deals to slither tik tok back into our society.
Cook is a fairly decent guy, but he can lose touch with reality at times.
I forgot about that. They should undo
Your WeChat day in China:
You get up in the morning, use WeChat to order your breakfast, which is delivered to your door. Then you start to promote your products that you sell on wechat, mostly on the wall and in some chat groups. You will use WeChat to call your customers and they will pay you on WeChat. Later you need to visit a supplier and use WeChat to call your taxi. On the way you use the WeChat to send some messages and do some calles with WeChat, you basically don't call over the mobile network anymore, you only use WeChat. At your supplier you will take some pictures of the new products and immediately upload them to the WeChat wall. Later your supplier invites you out to eat. After dinner he pays with WeChat. To get the invoice he uses WeChat to scan the QR code and receives the invoice in WeChat.
Sounds .... Terrifying
Sounds like Facebook...
Damn they literally control your whole life, that’s pretty much the digital currency people are scared about
Big Brother.
WeChat is basically the app you have to have on your phone if you want to live in Chyna. Gathers up everything you do online, communication, calls, texting, social media, etc, you have to do all your banking and transactions through it. Feeds all that info right to the CCP to adjust your social credit score.
Looks like POTUS is outlawing its use by US persons and people in the US for conducting financial transactions.
Great explanation pede.
Why was WeChat seen as being safer with your Chinese friends? The executive order says they found a huge database with a billion WeChat messages. Is it supposedly encrypted but not really?
I have good friends in HK, lived there for a bit. Radio silence since the new laws. Sucks.
Skype for Business is being shutdown and replaced by Microsoft Teams, which is way better for businesses. Classic skype will be kept around for grandma to use for a while longer.
Teams isn’t secure
Now do Reddit!
Apparently the EO hits Tencent, which owns a lot of Reddit.
So yeah, Reddit btfo?
I'd really like to see some expert analysis on this. Because it seems like a gigantic escalation toward decoupling from the Chicoms. And I am loving it.
Tencent owns League of Legends and Epic Games too!
I'd like some confirmation, but doesn't this literally say that Tencent companies are included in the EO? Riot? Reddit?
Excellent. Thanks for posting, Pede.
I can’t believe the sheer number of gay tiktok ads I’ve seen on tv lately. Side note: do any of these autistic dancing tween girls remember Vine? It was literally the same thing and only a few years ago.
Absolutely. It was far funnier and addictive too. Like you said, the 6 seconds was perfect. I watched some loops for minutes.
TikTok's advantage over Vine is they licensed the music - tons of music - so you don't get DMCA'd to shit.
45 days unless a sale is agreed to
I don't get what the sale to Microsoft accomplishes. Will Microsoft be rebuilding the app and guaranteeing no info goes to the CCP?
This. The only way to be certain that no data is being sent or recorded is to re-write the app from the ground up.
Even then, Microsoft will probably use it the same way Chynah is currently using it.
I think 45 days max according to the EO.
Michelle Obama has a big, black cock. That’s it- that’s the comment
Hopefully this means the end of Reddit
This is awesome. Wechat is a communist nightmare app. Life in china is totally dependent on it, and the govt had complete control over it and monitors everything you say. I have many friends whose accounts were deactivated because of things that were said over voice communication, in English! Having your account deactivated is a HUGE problem and socially isolates you because most people have nobody's phone number, just their wechat ID. So, you can't even contact your friends.
45 gave 45 days ultimatum. MAGA!!!
The Chinese should just go and buy the personal data from Facebook like everyone else does.
you dont think they do that already?
WeMAGA
I think one thing that people gloss over is the fact that China continues to ban major US apps, websites, and tech companies like: facebook, Instagram, whatsapp, google, wikipedia, twitter, reddit, mainstream media, etc etc. Most of these are trash garbage commie rags anyway, but the point is that banning these US companies allows chinese copycat companies to set up within china with no competition, grow to massive scale dur to their huge population of 1.4 billion, and then begin competing in the west with a huge advantage. The trade war hasn't gone far enough yet.
Keep the EOs coming! Lets get a 2A EO!
from the guy that unliaterally turned a hunk of plastic into a machine gun?
lolnope
Now do an E.O. on Voting. Have them fight it in court!
I wonder if Blizzard will sell Starcraft to AfreecaTV lmao
Now do Reddit
It seems like this actually does.
YUUUGE!
President Trump has been, without a doubt, much tougher on China than any of his immediate predecessors, and this WeChat executive order further demonstrates his no-nonsense approach. It's no wonder, then, why the communist Chinese government is hoping that Biden edges out a victory in November.
Another thing that is not said about WeChat is that compared to Facebook/WhatsApp/Telegram/Google stuff.... it is a VASTLY superior product.
Yes, the Chinese shut foreign competitors out of their market, but WeChat is still a very good app.
Of course uh I don't uh talk about meh Communist Bandits when chatting with it but hey!
What's superior about it? I've never used it.
Convenience. It’s pretty much Facebook, Twitter, PayPal, Facetime, Amazon, and more all in one app. It’s not quite as useful in the US of course.
GET FUCKED COMMIE FUCKS
Wonderful! Get fucked Chyna!
Wow!
Please take down reddit, God-Emperor, I will dance so much!
My WeChat app is gonski.
this is an economic a-bomb
Poor Tom Cruise!
Not gonna be able to make anymore movies with Chicom money!
Top Gun III flight of the J-21
Wtf is this
Actually reads article and comments:
Oh shit, MAGA GANG GANG
They're going hard....
FUCK EM!!!
https://thedonald.win/p/Gc2xU6bb/
HE said you might not see me for awhile.
GREAT! WeChat is probably the most monitored app by the CCP. They collect user data with no limit. Trump is making America safe again👍
Now it's WeCant.
When you learn to read, it’s going to open up a whole new world for you. When you do, you’ll see my remarks say the commentor believes the policy could be good for the United States, but will make it tough for some people. That is all he was saying in my estimate.
It sounds like you’re just trying to pick a fight, instead of listening what people actually say. Nice ANTIFA tactics there.
If Russian company putting ads of $4000 or so is a election interference by the foreign state, then this type of executive orders should be welcomed by both parties.
WeChatWeSpyIt's should be renamed WECHEAT. It's the Chinese spies/students favorite software for cheating!
outoutout!
WeChat -
a Chinese multi-purpose messaging, social media and mobile payment app developed by Tencent. First released in 2011, it became the world's largest standalone mobile app in 2018,[2][3] with over 1 billion monthly active users.[4][5][6] WeChat has been described as China's "app for everything" and a "super app" because of its wide range of functions.[7]
User activity on WeChat is analyzed, tracked and shared with Chinese authorities upon request as part of the mass surveillance network in China.[8][9][10][11][12] WeChat censors politically sensitive topics in China.[13][14][15][16] Data transmitted by accounts registered outside of China is surveilled, analyzed and used to build up censorship algorithms in China.[17][12] Due to security concerns, WeChat was banned in India in June 2020.[18] On August 6, 2020, U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order banning US "transactions" with WeChat in 45 days.[19]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeChat
Fuck 'em <eom>
Come on, executive order on Reddit, the place of Rape porn!