This is where the left loses me on this one. They'll scream, "They're just applications! No fraud!" It doesn't require a PhD to know what happens next. Willfully ignorant.
What’s crazy to me is after seeing what Democrats are capable of, ie Burning, Looting, Murdering in the name of “progress”, somehow defrauding elections is where they draw the line? These people are beyond reasoning with and should just be considered enemies of the state.
Damrite! One year Mrs Quietam had scheduled a trip w/reservations and all. A special election came up so we had to get absentee ballots. Small town, I'll grant, but we had to appear in person, show who we are, and apply in writing.
I'd like to see us be able to vote on the internet. If we can pay our taxes, complete census forms, and do all of our banking online, surely a tech company can make sure that voting online is fraud-free.
Why can’t every voter get a randomized hash code when voting on the internet as a receipt, and publish all the hashes with their votes so people can independently verify their vote and all votes combined
In VA, They sent mail in voter applications to every registered voter. Got mine today, never asked for one.
However in Nevada, Assembly Bill 4 that passed requires BALLOTS to be sent to every active registered voter 20 days before the election. Page 12 Section 15 Point 3 of the bill. Whether they apply for mail in or not.
Especially when they add tracker information in the bottom left corner thats not on the original application form. I'm not a can good that needs tracked like that, especially not when voting.
They want it this way so they can say Trump is stealing it if he wins, or if Trump points out how much fraud happened they can say, "see? Told you he wouldn't accept the results." Yeah, of course he won't, you're intentionally making the results invalid.
This election will probably go to the supreme court to decide just like the 2000 election. This is going to be a much bigger mess than the hanging chads in that election. When he wins the court case, the left will continue calling him illegitimate and not democratically elected like they did to W Bush.
They seem way more unhinged about Trump unfortunately. As I recall with GWB, they hated him and called him illegitimate but at least let him take office. Not sure they'll allow that with DJT.
If we don’t win the electoral I doubt theirs anything we can do, GWB got in office because he won by just over 500 votes in the counted votes. He would probably have lost had the nearly 70k undervotes been allowed to be counted as they were mostly from south Fl.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came to "We have so many doubts about the ballots that we, your elected representatives, will just choose everyone instead." And I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of residents were like "sure, sounds fair."
You nailed it. This is all about putting the deciding votes into the Electorate's hands in a way where they "have no other choice but to choose Biden."
He probably won the popular!
Or...
Too many people were disenfranchised bc of covid!
Or...
The mail system screwed things up.
Or...
We'll never know who won so Biden should get it bc Orange man bad.
Not to be a Debbie Downer but I really don't see how they don't steal this election. With this mail in ballot BS there is literally no way we will know for sure who wins.
My wife, who has never voted in VA, got one. The letter with the application (which already had her information printed out) states, "The Virginia Department of Elections encourages EVERYONE to use an absentee ballot in upcoming elections." Everyone is all-caps in letter.
So I wrote to the Virginia Department of Elections and they replied:
"This organization is a non-profit that is not affiliated with or represent our agency. They use our forms, but any information they fill it with or any other statements are not on our behalf. All citizens of the Commonwealth are welcome to vote by mail or participate in early voting, but we are not asking everyone to do this. You may disregard the mailing."
The Center for Voter Information is under an umbrella of many democrat "non-profits" who claim to want to help ALL voters. Wonder why I did not get a ballot request form?
Dead people's ballots registered and counted is a huge headline.
Dead people receive forms to register is less so, because I can send a form to anyone, like that dead cat. Registering and getting the ballot submitted is a whole different league.
Sure, because it sounds ridiculous and makes for a great headline. The way these work is there's 3rd party groups that just mass mail tens of thousands or more names off of a giant mailing list. They're just blank forms, so these groups are just shoving them out to get as many people registered as they can. People are freaking out over a name on an envelope, not anything official.
I'm not saying don't be watchful, but having a hair trigger over this stuff without looking at the how and why can backfire.
Yes, and it can still be advantageous to send incorrect applications to people. Think if someone filled it out thinking all is well only to find out too late it was rejected due to bad info. Ultimately the person's fault, but we know it is likely to happen given the large amount of erroneous applications.
If you fill out a ballot application for a dead relative or a pet and it gets rejected, that's on you and I'm not surprised.
If you fill out an application for yourself incorrectly, then you're either an idiot or lying. These things aren't complicated, and erroneous applications don't change that.
Edit: To clarify, the applications are blank forms, it doesn't matter whose name was on the envelope. If someone messes up on it, odds are they'd mess up on a standard voter registration form as well.
A couple of additional interesting facts.. as someone else said this is a non-state sanctioned group that decided to send these out.
They were all sent out with a postage paid pre-labeled return address. Unfortunately many of them had the wrong return address printed on the prepaid label. So people might have put this back in the mail never gotten an actual ballot and then never voted because of this mistake.
Here's where it gets interesting, imagine if this third party non-state sanctioned group had voter registration data, and sent mailings out to registered Republicans that contained the incorrect return address, but sent out to Democrats with the correct address.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but that's why this is very serious. A non-state sanction group should not be participating in this and they should be fined by both the state and the federal government. This is crazy.
The left is obviously going to all this extra trouble because they are going to “win in a landslide”.
I know about this “landslide” because the media has been telling me about it for months. Elderly Joe is beating the Young Vibrant Man according to “very accurate “polls that don’t bother to tell us who they sampled. 🙄
It’s strange though... I feel like I’ve seen this movie before
anything "absentee" "mail in" "harvesting" can all be used to fraud the election. I know some people say absentee ballots are safe...they are not. VOTER ID IN PERSON IS A MUST
These are applications. Not actual ballots. But this is exactly how FL does it too so to say everything is cool there is fucking retarded. That state has had more voting problems than any other state. Hanging chad sound familiar??
I realized it was sketchy as hell as soon as I opened it a few days back, and I intended to do a bit of research on the "center for voter information" but got busy with other stuff and then yesterday started seeing the stories come out about this.
One thing that might be worth mentioning is that we should hold on to things related to voting such as this absentee ballot request form or any absentee ballots or anything sent to your address that seems fraudulent or even sketchy. It's going to be a shitshow come November so the more "evidence" we hold on to the better.
That's a really good point. I think I was just annoyed with receiving an unasked for application filled out with my information. From some Democrats who are trying to hide it, no less.
CNN "There's no proof that mail-in voting is flawed. Trump is just trying to cheat" I continue to see why CNN is fake news and why "News Reporters" are the true enemy of the people
Yup sad part someone at reddit local trying shift saying it's gop because they got it and their husband who is a republican didn't. Surprised she didnt leave him yet
The organization attempted to have the absentee ballot request form sent to your local election registrar's office, but they screwed up and put the wrong office address on many of them.
So is there a way to trace the ballots in this case? Half a million incorrect ballots... Are these all the ballots that were sent, or the portion that was found? How many of these ballots will be miraculously found after the elections to fraudulently affect the results?
If this shit is not going to be under control, the Dems will steal the election!
One way to fix sham mailing of ballots is microchip each one. Put scanners in large mailboxes and postal trucks to show navigation of them using geo location. Then if 10k goes into a postal center it must get to election center.
Still don’t want them its a scam. This would eliminate fake ballots tho because they would have no chip embedded.
What could be worse though?
Someone applies for mail in Ballot for someone else.
When the real person goes to vote in person they get denied a vote if the system is even working as it should and stops them from voting a second time.
I got an absentee ballot for a dead person (the previous owner of my house) for the primaries. I could've filled it out myself and I am sure the vote would've been counted.
They're not absentee ballots if they weren't specifically requested by the voter, though, right?
Absentee ballot applications
This is where the fraud begins.
This is where the left loses me on this one. They'll scream, "They're just applications! No fraud!" It doesn't require a PhD to know what happens next. Willfully ignorant.
What’s crazy to me is after seeing what Democrats are capable of, ie Burning, Looting, Murdering in the name of “progress”, somehow defrauding elections is where they draw the line? These people are beyond reasoning with and should just be considered enemies of the state.
Ya, am I really supposed to believe that all these TDS victims would hesitate for a moment about cheating to beat Trump?
https://media.thedonald.win/post/HI7Lv7Y9.jpeg
"They're just a clump of cells! No murder!"
I'd love to know the proportion of political parties these were sent to. I've got a good guess.
Maliciously willfully ignorant.
Gotcha. I didn't read applications in the title.
Saying that, I feel that even applications should be applied for as well. It's insane.
Damrite! One year Mrs Quietam had scheduled a trip w/reservations and all. A special election came up so we had to get absentee ballots. Small town, I'll grant, but we had to appear in person, show who we are, and apply in writing.
Its applications in VA.
Its straight up ballots in Nevada. Yet that HBO Axios fuck kept lying saying it was only applications. Read for yourself.
https://www.8newsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/59/2020/08/AB4_EN.pdf
Page 12, section 15, point 3.
He posted a correction I think, but it didn't get much attention.
It never does. The lies hit hard...the retractions/follow-ups get buried.
Why doesn’t Twitter censor his shit for muh fake news
I'd like to see us be able to vote on the internet. If we can pay our taxes, complete census forms, and do all of our banking online, surely a tech company can make sure that voting online is fraud-free.
This is a very difficult problem to solve, and rife with constitutional issues.
Why can’t every voter get a randomized hash code when voting on the internet as a receipt, and publish all the hashes with their votes so people can independently verify their vote and all votes combined
How does that prevent someone voting on your behalf?
Not my sure, not sure how someone doesn’t vote on my behalf at the local ballot box either since they don’t check my ID :(
In some states pre-filled ballots are being mailed out, with the "correct" voting choices already made, so the person can just send them in.
In VA, They sent mail in voter applications to every registered voter. Got mine today, never asked for one.
However in Nevada, Assembly Bill 4 that passed requires BALLOTS to be sent to every active registered voter 20 days before the election. Page 12 Section 15 Point 3 of the bill. Whether they apply for mail in or not.
Yea, but it wasn't the state that sent them. And many of them had the incorrect return address on the envelopes.
"incorrect return address"
No, I bet the return address was EXACTLY where they wanted those ballots sent to.
Correct it was the "Center for Voter Informarion" with return envelopes to the Wrong registrar. They butchered it.
Seeing how easily they screwed up Applications though....The Nevada situation though seems very concerning.
Word, I don't know why the state even allows third parties to get involved with something as important as a presidential election.
The same group sent them out in North Carolina but violated a state law there by partially filling them out.
Especially when they add tracker information in the bottom left corner thats not on the original application form. I'm not a can good that needs tracked like that, especially not when voting.
Which is ridiculous if voter rolls aren't purged and they're sending ballots to dead people or those who have moved out of state.
I don't understand democrats, don't they want secure elections?
That's the Plan.
They want it this way so they can say Trump is stealing it if he wins, or if Trump points out how much fraud happened they can say, "see? Told you he wouldn't accept the results." Yeah, of course he won't, you're intentionally making the results invalid.
This election will probably go to the supreme court to decide just like the 2000 election. This is going to be a much bigger mess than the hanging chads in that election. When he wins the court case, the left will continue calling him illegitimate and not democratically elected like they did to W Bush.
They seem way more unhinged about Trump unfortunately. As I recall with GWB, they hated him and called him illegitimate but at least let him take office. Not sure they'll allow that with DJT.
If we don’t win the electoral I doubt theirs anything we can do, GWB got in office because he won by just over 500 votes in the counted votes. He would probably have lost had the nearly 70k undervotes been allowed to be counted as they were mostly from south Fl.
Don’t worry. That megalith of conservative values Roberts will rule accordingly.
And I’m sure the majority of the GOP will fight just as hard
The "results" might actually trigger a civil war.
Don’t get me excited.
Well, naturally when people die their brain activity drops... down to the point where they become Democrat voters.
They intend to gum up the election any way possible. We have yet to see the unimaginable fuckery coming.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came to "We have so many doubts about the ballots that we, your elected representatives, will just choose everyone instead." And I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of residents were like "sure, sounds fair."
They’re 100% gonna try and get electors to be faithless to their state votes. Because there’s literally nothing else they can do.
You nailed it. This is all about putting the deciding votes into the Electorate's hands in a way where they "have no other choice but to choose Biden."
He probably won the popular! Or... Too many people were disenfranchised bc of covid! Or... The mail system screwed things up. Or... We'll never know who won so Biden should get it bc Orange man bad.
Not to be a Debbie Downer but I really don't see how they don't steal this election. With this mail in ballot BS there is literally no way we will know for sure who wins.
My wife, who has never voted in VA, got one. The letter with the application (which already had her information printed out) states, "The Virginia Department of Elections encourages EVERYONE to use an absentee ballot in upcoming elections." Everyone is all-caps in letter.
So I wrote to the Virginia Department of Elections and they replied:
"This organization is a non-profit that is not affiliated with or represent our agency. They use our forms, but any information they fill it with or any other statements are not on our behalf. All citizens of the Commonwealth are welcome to vote by mail or participate in early voting, but we are not asking everyone to do this. You may disregard the mailing."
The Center for Voter Information is under an umbrella of many democrat "non-profits" who claim to want to help ALL voters. Wonder why I did not get a ballot request form?
DNC scumbags
Why don't Republicans do this, too?
No problem, Governor Coonman will have someone help fill those out
The GOP is complicit because they wont contest these fraudulent elections, see Cali and AZ in 2018!
When half the GOP want Trump gone, it's no wonder.
Couldn't agree more. Their game plan is to cast so much doubt, they brute force Biden into office.
Primary objective: "Win" election through fraud.
Else
Secondary objective: Muddy results.
If Biden "wins" we will have a 78 day window before Biden can use military force against U.S. citizens.
Why the fuck isn't this headlining National news? Only one National (WaPo) has an article on it.
Because they're applications.
Dead people's ballots registered and counted is a huge headline.
Dead people receive forms to register is less so, because I can send a form to anyone, like that dead cat. Registering and getting the ballot submitted is a whole different league.
The dead cat got more media attention than all the dead people in Virginia did.
Sure, because it sounds ridiculous and makes for a great headline. The way these work is there's 3rd party groups that just mass mail tens of thousands or more names off of a giant mailing list. They're just blank forms, so these groups are just shoving them out to get as many people registered as they can. People are freaking out over a name on an envelope, not anything official.
I'm not saying don't be watchful, but having a hair trigger over this stuff without looking at the how and why can backfire.
Yes, and it can still be advantageous to send incorrect applications to people. Think if someone filled it out thinking all is well only to find out too late it was rejected due to bad info. Ultimately the person's fault, but we know it is likely to happen given the large amount of erroneous applications.
If you fill out a ballot application for a dead relative or a pet and it gets rejected, that's on you and I'm not surprised.
If you fill out an application for yourself incorrectly, then you're either an idiot or lying. These things aren't complicated, and erroneous applications don't change that.
Edit: To clarify, the applications are blank forms, it doesn't matter whose name was on the envelope. If someone messes up on it, odds are they'd mess up on a standard voter registration form as well.
I posted this on here last night as well... https://thedonald.win/p/Gc7XLntR/virginia-kicking-off-the-vote-by
A couple of additional interesting facts.. as someone else said this is a non-state sanctioned group that decided to send these out.
They were all sent out with a postage paid pre-labeled return address. Unfortunately many of them had the wrong return address printed on the prepaid label. So people might have put this back in the mail never gotten an actual ballot and then never voted because of this mistake.
Here's where it gets interesting, imagine if this third party non-state sanctioned group had voter registration data, and sent mailings out to registered Republicans that contained the incorrect return address, but sent out to Democrats with the correct address.
I'm not saying that's what happened, but that's why this is very serious. A non-state sanction group should not be participating in this and they should be fined by both the state and the federal government. This is crazy.
The left is obviously going to all this extra trouble because they are going to “win in a landslide”.
I know about this “landslide” because the media has been telling me about it for months. Elderly Joe is beating the Young Vibrant Man according to “very accurate “polls that don’t bother to tell us who they sampled. 🙄
It’s strange though... I feel like I’ve seen this movie before
100% chance a TON of the ballots get filled out by crazy leftists to be able to vote more than once.
anything "absentee" "mail in" "harvesting" can all be used to fraud the election. I know some people say absentee ballots are safe...they are not. VOTER ID IN PERSON IS A MUST
*Dems try to steal election
*FUCK AROUND *FIND OUT
Oh look, the same group fucked up in North Carolina as well: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-in-voting-group-potentially-misleading-ballot-applications
These are applications. Not actual ballots. But this is exactly how FL does it too so to say everything is cool there is fucking retarded. That state has had more voting problems than any other state. Hanging chad sound familiar??
It's like they are desperate to prove US right...
Urban areas of VA are controlled by Democrats
Democrats wonder why you are prejudiced against the Living Impaired you bigot!
preferred pronouns: was/were
I got one! I wonder if the incorrect ones were sent to known conservatives like me, with correct ones going to libs?
The wife and I shredded ours. This thing was pre-filled out with information about us. It was from https://www.centerforvoterinformation.org/. They suck.
I realized it was sketchy as hell as soon as I opened it a few days back, and I intended to do a bit of research on the "center for voter information" but got busy with other stuff and then yesterday started seeing the stories come out about this.
One thing that might be worth mentioning is that we should hold on to things related to voting such as this absentee ballot request form or any absentee ballots or anything sent to your address that seems fraudulent or even sketchy. It's going to be a shitshow come November so the more "evidence" we hold on to the better.
That's a really good point. I think I was just annoyed with receiving an unasked for application filled out with my information. From some Democrats who are trying to hide it, no less.
CNN "There's no proof that mail-in voting is flawed. Trump is just trying to cheat" I continue to see why CNN is fake news and why "News Reporters" are the true enemy of the people
It's not absentee ballot. It's application. I received one with my name is slightly incorrect. Also the return address is wrong as well
Sounds like the Demicrat Party at work. If you have to go to the trouble to correct everything, they hope you just won't bother.
Yup sad part someone at reddit local trying shift saying it's gop because they got it and their husband who is a republican didn't. Surprised she didnt leave him yet
Jesus
When can we remove the democrat party from the ballot for extensive fraud ?
I’m sending in the (empty) envelopes I got at my house just to make sure the Center for Voter Information have to pay postage on them.
"... very rare ..."
Yeah, like mostly peaceful protestors. Unless there are consequences / punishments for these "rare mistakes" we are going to see a lot more of them.
Hold on I have to ask did they all get sent to the same address that’s managed by the DNC?
The organization attempted to have the absentee ballot request form sent to your local election registrar's office, but they screwed up and put the wrong office address on many of them.
No. They did it this way because it is ballot harvesting.
So is there a way to trace the ballots in this case? Half a million incorrect ballots... Are these all the ballots that were sent, or the portion that was found? How many of these ballots will be miraculously found after the elections to fraudulently affect the results?
If this shit is not going to be under control, the Dems will steal the election!
One way to fix sham mailing of ballots is microchip each one. Put scanners in large mailboxes and postal trucks to show navigation of them using geo location. Then if 10k goes into a postal center it must get to election center.
Still don’t want them its a scam. This would eliminate fake ballots tho because they would have no chip embedded.
So this affects the state results as well, yes?
Voted early in the primary yesterday afternoon in person, other than the volunteers i was the only person there. It was eerie!
overwhelm the system and scream about voter supression then have the whole thing litigated = democrat strategy for the last 20 yrs
Every four years the dead rise from their graves and vote democrat
What could be worse though? Someone applies for mail in Ballot for someone else.
When the real person goes to vote in person they get denied a vote if the system is even working as it should and stops them from voting a second time.
Talk about voter suppression.
You can file a provisional ballot and make them figure it out.
I got an absentee ballot for a dead person (the previous owner of my house) for the primaries. I could've filled it out myself and I am sure the vote would've been counted.
Dead people always voting in VA.
Why is an unofficial non-profit group working with 'local elections officials' on a mail fraud project?
“THiZ is un oUtLier!”
I think half a million is enough to safely suggest that it was not an error
Texas ourts disallowed this. You have to still apply for an absentee ballot. Turn it in to the election officials (or the local Republican Party).
“The non-profit group is now apologizing.”
Howsabout the non-profit group is now being shot in the mouth for trying to undermine the tenets of a free society?