And rather than “deaths” I want to see “life years lost” If a person dies that is older than the US life expectancy it should count far less than a 25 year old who dies.
They do capture age. I am suggestion that when “reporters” report amount of deaths. Normalizing for life years lost would be much less horrifying for the masses to hear and they would be panicking less.
They use Johns Hopkins as a source. The same Hopkins that Minimike Bloomberg gave over $1billion and has been challenged frequently by States for how they are calculating their bogus numbers
That's exactly how it should be. Take care of the elderly and do your best to not get them sick, but my 88 year old grandma passing away a few years ago was far less tragic than my 48 year old uncle who died 2 years prior. We grieved and miss them both, but one had plenty of life ahead of them while the other had nothing but a decline ahead of her.
It tracks with other stats around "extra deaths". It is a weird stat, but ultimately there should be an attempt to baseline against expected deaths in a period. It controls for situations like the sudden lack of traditional flu deaths and balances out reduction in auto accidents.
Not necessarily, that’s exactly what you use statistics to do. You want to normalize your data to help paint the picture of what the data is telling you.
Statistics are always used to twist the narrative as well. Just reporting “deaths” is a bad way to represent the data. Reporting average age of death or life years lost would be more representative of if the masses should panic or not.
That's a really hard distinction to make in many cases, and can require a lot of resources that are better deployed elsewhere. Also it can require an autopsy, which many families won't agree to, especially in the case of an elderly person who didn't have a lot of life expectancy left anyway.
I do think they need to systematically delete people who were already on hospice status from the COVID-19 death statistics. One case in my area was a 96 year old who had already been on hospice status. Sure, COVID-19 probably accelerated this person's death, but the death was expected soon anyway, and most importantly, if someone is on hospice status they won't receive any treatment aimed at extending their life. So even if the COVID-19 symptoms could have been managed and recovery achieved, it was allowed to become the proximate cause of death.
Nothing wrong with that, but it may be distorting the statistics significantly. I'd really like to know how many of the nursing home and other very old age deaths fell into this category. There were also probably some younger terminal cancer patients who were also not treated due to hospice status.
Why? They receive extra money for all the extra safety measures, PPE, cleaning staff hours, etc, which need to be done for COVID-19 infected patients, even if the patients have other unrelated conditions that may cause or contribute to their deaths. Hospitals and coroners' offices don't magically get more physicians who are capable of doing complex autopsies, and no amount of money would make more of those highly skilled people materialize. And many families don't want autopsies done, in some cases for religious reasons.
There is no way to put deaths clearly in or out of the COVID-19 category. Many people have multiple health conditions that all contribute to their death, and you could remove any one of those conditions and they might not have died when they did. It's impossible to say with any certainly, even if highly skilled professionals spend an entire day trying to figure it out, which one was the most proximate cause of their death at that particular time. Waste of resources trying to figure it out.
As per CDC, only 6% of the COVID deaths are from COVID only. That is about 10,000 deaths. The other 140k deaths? Were people who were already seriously ill and were likely to die soon anyway (this is excluding the suicides, homicides, and deaths due to accidents that were stated as covid deaths)
Those 25 kids were probably already on the verge of death from health conditions anyway, because that's how all the deaths have been. The ones that weren't due to obvious non-health issues (suicides, homicides, etc) were ALL people with other serious health issues or at the least were seriously ill.
It's like I learned in my orientation safety training at work, when getting a serious burn (we're discussing arc flash here) your age is a HUGE factor in your ability to recover from major portions of the body burned. Up to 30, you have a 75% chance to recover 50% of your body burnt. That goes down to 55% or so for 30-50 and even further down to about 20% for folks over 50.
On the news a few days ago, was a terrible 6yr old COVID-19 deaths. Healthy child. At the end of the news reports, they were saying how unfair it was, since the child has recently gone through a triple organ transplant....
Unfortunately there is a lot of evil in this world and there are a bunch of children that live in dangerous and unhealthy environments.
For most of these kids their ONLY outlet for food, guidance, and security is school.
Even for many children in non abusive household school is an important way for them to get experience with socializing, expressing themselves, and learning "real world" problem solving.
Taking that away for a couple of months is one thing, but to remove a entire year if not more of these experiences during the most crucial time of a child's development just simply can't be a good thing.
People have become social retarded enough, this is going to make them even more so.
oh believe me, my high school experience want great either. I was the token poor kid who went to a private liberal arts school for free. I quickly learned to keep my opinions to myself, and refused to do any assignments that required me to explain or defend any personal thoughts.
I'm talking more about grade school than anything.
The reason you're being voted down is because you're allowing emotions to overrule basic logic. If 25 kids dying is too many to reopen schools, then why are we letting people drive with their kids in the car? More than 10 kids died last year because their parents forgot about them in the car on a hot day. More kids than that drown yearly, should we ban pools? 25 is a statistically inconsequential number. It is 25 horrible tragedies that we should be doing as much as is reasonable to prevent, but you're talking about depriving millions of other students of their education to MAYBE save 25 children.
Regardless, if that many children got sick when school is out everywhere.....and the death rates continue to fall......what's the point of remote learning?
It is magic. Need them to stay home for many reasons. The younger ones will burden the parents, daycare or one stays home. Hurts the Economy. The older ones will go protest. ( a friend who has a 17 year old at home tells me how there is lots of online pressure from fellow students and even teachers to go protest). It also keeps the fear of Covid going, pushing for mail in voting.
Aaaaaaaand we called this as soon as the debate reared its ugly head. Put these numbers on a graph with a demarc for Trump first pushing that the kids need to go back. Voila.
I don’t understand the teachers who don’t want to go back.
When it’s time to raise taxes “for the children” teachers are considered essential to the future of America. I mean they’re teaching the leaders of tomorrow, right? Raise those taxes!
But when it comes to teaching during a “pandemic” with less than 1% of 1% fatalities of the population all of a sudden they aren’t that essential.
Here’s the real rub though. The majority of people who were laid off because of Covid would have continued to work if the business they worked for wasn’t forced to shut down. Everyone else is working from home except the doctors, police, in branch bank staff, grocery store workers, etc.
So really everyone is either still working or wanting to go back to work except for these teachers.
More than 25 children died of the coronavirus in July alone
Doubt it. But hey, get this, 15 kids were killed in Chicago ALONE by gang shootings. I bet nationwide more kids were murdered by their parents during the same time frame. but yeah. Let's shut down the ENTIRE SCHOOL SYSTEM, because 25 of 70 million children died? ? ? ?
Wow! How have we not heard of these many children being admitted to hospital and placed on ventilators etc to help them cling to life as they battle the Wu Flu? And all the adults in their lives are probably dying in the streets from the infection they picked up from these little disease spreaders...where is the media on this?!?
What? Kids are usually asymptomatic and don’t know they have it? And they rarely spread the Wu Flu to others? Hmm...odd this story comes out just in time for schools to reopen. It’s almost as if some don’t WANT schools to open...
Testing positive doesn't mean sick. We need to start demanding separate numbers for tested positive and sick, and tested positive but not sick.
And rather than “deaths” I want to see “life years lost” If a person dies that is older than the US life expectancy it should count far less than a 25 year old who dies.
Isn’t that data already being captured by the age category that person belongs in?
Current analysis shows that the deaths from the ccp virus, in terms of death, is having a huge impact to the elderly of our population.
Edit - forgot to mention - your city / county should have a summary of that info which included age demo.
Also you might want to check out the weekly surveillance report from the cdc, I think the demo data like that is also included.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
They do capture age. I am suggestion that when “reporters” report amount of deaths. Normalizing for life years lost would be much less horrifying for the masses to hear and they would be panicking less.
They use Johns Hopkins as a source. The same Hopkins that Minimike Bloomberg gave over $1billion and has been challenged frequently by States for how they are calculating their bogus numbers
That's exactly how it should be. Take care of the elderly and do your best to not get them sick, but my 88 year old grandma passing away a few years ago was far less tragic than my 48 year old uncle who died 2 years prior. We grieved and miss them both, but one had plenty of life ahead of them while the other had nothing but a decline ahead of her.
It tracks with other stats around "extra deaths". It is a weird stat, but ultimately there should be an attempt to baseline against expected deaths in a period. It controls for situations like the sudden lack of traditional flu deaths and balances out reduction in auto accidents.
Not necessarily, that’s exactly what you use statistics to do. You want to normalize your data to help paint the picture of what the data is telling you.
Statistics are always used to twist the narrative as well. Just reporting “deaths” is a bad way to represent the data. Reporting average age of death or life years lost would be more representative of if the masses should panic or not.
That's a really hard distinction to make in many cases, and can require a lot of resources that are better deployed elsewhere. Also it can require an autopsy, which many families won't agree to, especially in the case of an elderly person who didn't have a lot of life expectancy left anyway.
I do think they need to systematically delete people who were already on hospice status from the COVID-19 death statistics. One case in my area was a 96 year old who had already been on hospice status. Sure, COVID-19 probably accelerated this person's death, but the death was expected soon anyway, and most importantly, if someone is on hospice status they won't receive any treatment aimed at extending their life. So even if the COVID-19 symptoms could have been managed and recovery achieved, it was allowed to become the proximate cause of death.
Nothing wrong with that, but it may be distorting the statistics significantly. I'd really like to know how many of the nursing home and other very old age deaths fell into this category. There were also probably some younger terminal cancer patients who were also not treated due to hospice status.
Why? They receive extra money for all the extra safety measures, PPE, cleaning staff hours, etc, which need to be done for COVID-19 infected patients, even if the patients have other unrelated conditions that may cause or contribute to their deaths. Hospitals and coroners' offices don't magically get more physicians who are capable of doing complex autopsies, and no amount of money would make more of those highly skilled people materialize. And many families don't want autopsies done, in some cases for religious reasons.
There is no way to put deaths clearly in or out of the COVID-19 category. Many people have multiple health conditions that all contribute to their death, and you could remove any one of those conditions and they might not have died when they did. It's impossible to say with any certainly, even if highly skilled professionals spend an entire day trying to figure it out, which one was the most proximate cause of their death at that particular time. Waste of resources trying to figure it out.
As per CDC, only 6% of the COVID deaths are from COVID only. That is about 10,000 deaths. The other 140k deaths? Were people who were already seriously ill and were likely to die soon anyway (this is excluding the suicides, homicides, and deaths due to accidents that were stated as covid deaths)
Also deaths #presumed with covid where no positive diagnosis is needed.
Ah but all the asymptomatics are worse than Typhoid Mary and will bring in the apocalypse!
97,000 children tested positive in two weeks for COVID and TWENTY FIVE DIED.
That's 0.0258%. If the ENTIRE country got COVID and had that fatality rate 84,300 people out of 327 million would die.
Those 25 kids were probably already on the verge of death from health conditions anyway, because that's how all the deaths have been. The ones that weren't due to obvious non-health issues (suicides, homicides, etc) were ALL people with other serious health issues or at the least were seriously ill.
It's like I learned in my orientation safety training at work, when getting a serious burn (we're discussing arc flash here) your age is a HUGE factor in your ability to recover from major portions of the body burned. Up to 30, you have a 75% chance to recover 50% of your body burnt. That goes down to 55% or so for 30-50 and even further down to about 20% for folks over 50.
On the news a few days ago, was a terrible 6yr old COVID-19 deaths. Healthy child. At the end of the news reports, they were saying how unfair it was, since the child has recently gone through a triple organ transplant....
Trust me, keeping schools closed will result in further child abuse and depression that will cause way more than 25 deaths....
You're right, for the majority of people.
Unfortunately there is a lot of evil in this world and there are a bunch of children that live in dangerous and unhealthy environments.
For most of these kids their ONLY outlet for food, guidance, and security is school.
Even for many children in non abusive household school is an important way for them to get experience with socializing, expressing themselves, and learning "real world" problem solving.
Taking that away for a couple of months is one thing, but to remove a entire year if not more of these experiences during the most crucial time of a child's development just simply can't be a good thing.
People have become social retarded enough, this is going to make them even more so.
oh believe me, my high school experience want great either. I was the token poor kid who went to a private liberal arts school for free. I quickly learned to keep my opinions to myself, and refused to do any assignments that required me to explain or defend any personal thoughts.
I'm talking more about grade school than anything.
The reason you're being voted down is because you're allowing emotions to overrule basic logic. If 25 kids dying is too many to reopen schools, then why are we letting people drive with their kids in the car? More than 10 kids died last year because their parents forgot about them in the car on a hot day. More kids than that drown yearly, should we ban pools? 25 is a statistically inconsequential number. It is 25 horrible tragedies that we should be doing as much as is reasonable to prevent, but you're talking about depriving millions of other students of their education to MAYBE save 25 children.
It seems our government is incapable of that sort of common sense data gathering. Our leaders are scammers, liars, and cheats. They can’t be honest.
Regardless, if that many children got sick when school is out everywhere.....and the death rates continue to fall......what's the point of remote learning?
26 because they get to stay in their parents health plan. Probably.
It is magic. Need them to stay home for many reasons. The younger ones will burden the parents, daycare or one stays home. Hurts the Economy. The older ones will go protest. ( a friend who has a 17 year old at home tells me how there is lots of online pressure from fellow students and even teachers to go protest). It also keeps the fear of Covid going, pushing for mail in voting.
Just like how Florida, Nevada and texas all the sudden got a wave of cases the day after president Trump annouced his rally locations.
And how every time there's a close election that the lefty is losing a couple of magic boxes of ballots are found in someone's trunk.
Omg if we test every kid going back to school we find a % have or had Covid ?! I'm shocked...
"Coronavirus Not Spreading Among Students, Swedish And German Health Professionals Say"
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/15/germany-sweden-reports-no-coronavirus-spread-children-schools-reopening/
Aaaaaaaand we called this as soon as the debate reared its ugly head. Put these numbers on a graph with a demarc for Trump first pushing that the kids need to go back. Voila.
Brilliant! Can you do that for us? For real. I nominate you because it’s an awesome idea and you should get all the upvotes
Well, lemme DDG some resources and see what I can do.
Trump mentioned kids and Covid so they realized they had forgotten to fudge numbers for kids. Oops, fixed it now tho.
Bullshit and lies. Open the schools, close the borders and dismantle the left.
This guy 2024
Just like the numbers went up in Florida until the RNC got canceled 🤷‍♂️
I don't trust the numbers at all given that they were already willing to fake them for adults being tested. This is politics.
When demand for the virus exceeds the supply, TEST TEST TEST!
The creator of the test says it does not specifically identify Covid-19 - just a small detail...
In other news, union's teachers are tested positive for useless commie shit.
It’s over. Get back to work. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Why the fuck are we testing them?
Are they sick and needing to figure out what they're sick from for treatment purposes?
If not, getting your child tested for no reason makes you a useless parent.
I don’t understand the teachers who don’t want to go back.
When it’s time to raise taxes “for the children” teachers are considered essential to the future of America. I mean they’re teaching the leaders of tomorrow, right? Raise those taxes!
But when it comes to teaching during a “pandemic” with less than 1% of 1% fatalities of the population all of a sudden they aren’t that essential.
Here’s the real rub though. The majority of people who were laid off because of Covid would have continued to work if the business they worked for wasn’t forced to shut down. Everyone else is working from home except the doctors, police, in branch bank staff, grocery store workers, etc.
So really everyone is either still working or wanting to go back to work except for these teachers.
Almost like it’s all bullshit. 🤔
Smells like.... BULLSHIT
REd herring alert
Doubt it. But hey, get this, 15 kids were killed in Chicago ALONE by gang shootings. I bet nationwide more kids were murdered by their parents during the same time frame. but yeah. Let's shut down the ENTIRE SCHOOL SYSTEM, because 25 of 70 million children died? ? ? ?
gee I i bet mom and dad doing their own covid test at home have no risk of cross contamination at all. no false positives there I'm sure.
WOW, that is amazing!
Where's the numbers that are in ICU on ventilators because this is such a horrible deadly disease?
DOn't buy the "children gonna infect everyone" bullshit.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e2020004879
Journal of Pediatrics is on our side.
Children can be infected, but are almost 0% sick and rarely infect adults.
All those teachers are freaking out for other reasons (BLM, Budget Cuts, Union, wanting to teach LBGTQQQQQQ at age 3.. etc.)
Wow! How have we not heard of these many children being admitted to hospital and placed on ventilators etc to help them cling to life as they battle the Wu Flu? And all the adults in their lives are probably dying in the streets from the infection they picked up from these little disease spreaders...where is the media on this?!?
What? Kids are usually asymptomatic and don’t know they have it? And they rarely spread the Wu Flu to others? Hmm...odd this story comes out just in time for schools to reopen. It’s almost as if some don’t WANT schools to open...
There has to be a common thread between these testing facilities.