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Valiazaner 1 point ago +2 / -1

I like Milton Friedman by-in-large but they one criticism I have of him is the same one I have of most intellectual libertarians and that is that he divorces theory and the need for intellectual purity from reality.

This is the one reason why I have little respect for many libertarians. By-in-large they are more concerned with the intellectual purity of their arguments than any actual positive change. They are a bit like Antifa without the violence, they want it all or they stay home. This is the strength the left has leveraged. The Left uses what I call "salami tactics" they push their agenda one small sliver at a time over a long period of time. While libertarians are debating applications of the non-aggression principle or arguing with conservatives on the non-nonsensical idea that society can function without taxes, liberals keep pushing the envelope.

When Libertarians don't get their way they take their ball and go home. They have no concept of compromise and the idea of "making a situation a little less shitty". Compromise can suck sometimes but it works over time and with persuasive arguments. That is why the left has been so successful in pushing its policy agenda. America is the frog they boiled.

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Canadean 1 point ago +1 / -0

compromise is the strategy of commies that brought us into the socialist shithole we have now.

This is a domain where compromise destroys the fundamentals of what is being proposed. there is no "little" amount of government that works, or that is ok. Its a dichotomy, and compromise is complicity.

Imagine if the police compromised on Pedophelia and said that a little bit of pedophelia is ok. Its outrageous to think to compromise on freedom in the same way, any compromise on freedom in the same way of security is a destruction to the standard.

The fallacy of thinking that advocating living and holding to a standard of freedom being impractical is baffling in the narrowness of foresight.

Compromise has never worked for freedom once. Freedom is ALWAYS the compromise

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Valiazaner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah and then the fucking libertarians take their ball and go home the second a single thing they don't like happens. In the end instead of making society a little bit better everything gets worse because these children throw a conniption fit, take their ball, then go home and the left knows and exploits this. They are fucking children and I do not take them seriously.

Libertarians, by-in-large are all talk and no action making them worthless.

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Canadean 1 point ago +1 / -0

If they take no action, what is the action of them taking their ball and going home.

What do you reference as "no action"? is the action you're implying a violation of the NAP?

Sure liberty isn't just given, sure liberty needs to be preserved and the market place of force does exist.

Perhaps a libertarian has a higher threshhold to violence than someone who merely doesn't get their way. Perhaps it exists because they value life higher than anyone else. Abortion is a violation of the NAP and not a libertarian stance. I condone any of those claiming to be libertarians who support NAP violations.

What's the one thing that gives evil power, complicity. Man cannot rule over man, to partake is to be complicit.

If an individual claiming to be a Libertarian were to Violate the NAP, they would no longer be considered a Libertarian. and many people do fall out of the doctrine because they do recognize that nullifying the marketplace of force is a multi step action and essential for long term liberty

Fabian methods work. and withdraw is an action.

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Valiazaner 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is exactly the issue with Libertarians. Prattling on here about the Non-aggression principle rather than actually getting out there and doing something productive. You are the problem with libertarianism. Instead of saying "hey maybe we can make a small difference here and there" then watch the positive effects sprout up over time. You sit there crying and do nothing to help people trying to make incremental change. The result is that freedom loving people lose even more ground because those of us actually willing to do something can't do it alone. So libertarians philosophize on online forums when they should be out in the real world taking real actions to have real results.

Libertarians want everything to happen all at once or they do nothing which makes them and their movement politically irrelevant.