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Canadean 1 point ago +1 / -0

If they take no action, what is the action of them taking their ball and going home.

What do you reference as "no action"? is the action you're implying a violation of the NAP?

Sure liberty isn't just given, sure liberty needs to be preserved and the market place of force does exist.

Perhaps a libertarian has a higher threshhold to violence than someone who merely doesn't get their way. Perhaps it exists because they value life higher than anyone else. Abortion is a violation of the NAP and not a libertarian stance. I condone any of those claiming to be libertarians who support NAP violations.

What's the one thing that gives evil power, complicity. Man cannot rule over man, to partake is to be complicit.

If an individual claiming to be a Libertarian were to Violate the NAP, they would no longer be considered a Libertarian. and many people do fall out of the doctrine because they do recognize that nullifying the marketplace of force is a multi step action and essential for long term liberty

Fabian methods work. and withdraw is an action.

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Valiazaner 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is exactly the issue with Libertarians. Prattling on here about the Non-aggression principle rather than actually getting out there and doing something productive. You are the problem with libertarianism. Instead of saying "hey maybe we can make a small difference here and there" then watch the positive effects sprout up over time. You sit there crying and do nothing to help people trying to make incremental change. The result is that freedom loving people lose even more ground because those of us actually willing to do something can't do it alone. So libertarians philosophize on online forums when they should be out in the real world taking real actions to have real results.

Libertarians want everything to happen all at once or they do nothing which makes them and their movement politically irrelevant.

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Canadean 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't think your position holds true to reality, people who aren't productive are called lame, not libertarians

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Valiazaner 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean politically productive and you know it. Just more word games from a do nothing libertarian.

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Canadean 1 point ago +1 / -0

thanks for clarifying

ending free shit is a hard sell to a country full of wanna be commies, Trump can't even end medicaide without getting politically lynched. If the people wanted Liberty trump would administer his campaign for it.

but unfortunately the voting populace don't value liberty at the ballot box, and to the folly of democracy you see what we have today. A political scene of representation of the deception in the world.

Liberty won't be seen again on this planet. It was but a remnant point of history never to be seen as ideal again despite its power to create infinite value, and so here I am, giving my middle finger to the futile process. Like the pilgrims did to the Netherlands.

Voting is meaningless when we all abide to the kingdom of god, you don't vote by ballot, but by choice. The most moral fair prosperous kingdom of mankind can be had by one action, choice.