The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Not the Confederate flag. It's important to be accurate in our naming here. Because this specific flag was the flag of a man who defended his home land regardless of which side of the nation it sided with, and though he was on the "wrong side" he was in fact glad that slavery ended and even said that the abolition of slavery made the war worth it.
The actual "Flag of the Confederate States of America" can get fucked sideways a hundred thousand times in flag hell. It's the flag of Democrats who would destroy a nation in order to own human beings. But General Lee's Battle Flag is about being stuck in a shit situation and putting the people most important to you first.
Your right about the battle flag not being the actual Confederate flag, it's widely misrepresented and labeled wrong ( I do it too, as I just did above. Kinda like people call the AR an "assualt rifle* when in fact it's an "Arma-lite rifle". Common misconception. Sometimes we forget but it is important to call it by it's PROPER name. Thanks for the reminder ). And as far as I know the battle flag was the only one of the Confederate flags flown at Nascar and other southern themed events. It's rooted in NASCAR's history, apart of its culture and founding. They really stepped on their fan base when they banned it.
They stepped on anyone with more knowledge of the Civil War than "Slavery Bad." There's so much nuance to the various horrors and failings of all of America surrounding the civil war, that we all need to learn from. Nobody does, anymore. When you focus on "Slavery was Bad. Then we Stopped it. Good Ending," we neglect the huge blow to all of the powers of the states that would have prevented this horrible situation we have today. Was ending such a monstrous evil something we needed to do? Yes, it was. The original Founders wanted it done even sooner, as soon as was possible. Was leaving the gaping, bleeding wound in our constitution worth it? That's the problem. Because with the murder of Lincoln, and the failure to reinforce the rights of the States which legitimately can only spring from the rights of the individual, although the institution of slavery, which is to say a subservient race supporting the party of oppression, is gone, the SPIRIT of slavery is stronger than ever, as now a much, much larger population STILL supports the party of oppression, only now they do it WILLINGLY, as they cover their eyes and ears with their own hands, in exchange for a life of poverty and ignorance.
And that's why they want to remove General Lee's battle flag. Because learning the history of that ONE FLAG requires you to learn the facts that people on the side of the Confederacy were Americans caught in a shit situation who maybe saw what they thought was a greater danger, hiding in the shadow of an admittedly virtuous premise.
Very well put. When I went to school ( N.C, A SOUTHERN STATE ) we did reports on the civil war and it was just what you said it was, "slavery bad"and nothing else. They never mention the political party that sided with each other. They never mention the laws put in place leading up to the civil war and after. They never mention that some northern states held slaves legally while restrictions were imposed on the south. It was a one sided shot at the whole war. Our argument ( those of us who paid attention, at least the best we could with the shitty education system we had ) was always states rights, even though the state was making a huge mistake at the time. The federal government stepped in to put down insurrection and re-establish the union, but failed to give back the rights of the states. That war arguably did more damage to our Republic than probably any other action Imo. It has only gotten worse since those days, as more and more states lose power to an overreaching government. I partly blame the education system for failing our youth but then you have to account for the lazy youth that doesn't care or want to learn. Just go to school, make it through and get outta there.
Mm hm. It's like, I get why the Federal Government had to do something, as the order of rights from Individual to Locality to State to Union was being flipped upside down at the starting end, putting the rights of the States somehow above the Individual, implying that the States GIVE those rights to the individual. And then we ended up with the flip-side of that, where now the Federal Government somehow was deciding the rights of the states. Like, I believe that the Devil, Satan with a capital S, is a real thing. And I think that the build up to, the war itself, and then the AFTERMATH especially, was 100% Satan at work. Nothing did even HALF the damage to the current active source of God's Grace in the world, before or after. No other nation ever stood up and said "Your Rights come from God Himself, so stand into the role of a Human Being that He has given you," and we suffered what seems to have been a mortal wound from that whole debacle.
The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Not the Confederate flag. It's important to be accurate in our naming here. Because this specific flag was the flag of a man who defended his home land regardless of which side of the nation it sided with, and though he was on the "wrong side" he was in fact glad that slavery ended and even said that the abolition of slavery made the war worth it.
The actual "Flag of the Confederate States of America" can get fucked sideways a hundred thousand times in flag hell. It's the flag of Democrats who would destroy a nation in order to own human beings. But General Lee's Battle Flag is about being stuck in a shit situation and putting the people most important to you first.
Your right about the battle flag not being the actual Confederate flag, it's widely misrepresented and labeled wrong ( I do it too, as I just did above. Kinda like people call the AR an "assualt rifle* when in fact it's an "Arma-lite rifle". Common misconception. Sometimes we forget but it is important to call it by it's PROPER name. Thanks for the reminder ). And as far as I know the battle flag was the only one of the Confederate flags flown at Nascar and other southern themed events. It's rooted in NASCAR's history, apart of its culture and founding. They really stepped on their fan base when they banned it.
They stepped on anyone with more knowledge of the Civil War than "Slavery Bad." There's so much nuance to the various horrors and failings of all of America surrounding the civil war, that we all need to learn from. Nobody does, anymore. When you focus on "Slavery was Bad. Then we Stopped it. Good Ending," we neglect the huge blow to all of the powers of the states that would have prevented this horrible situation we have today. Was ending such a monstrous evil something we needed to do? Yes, it was. The original Founders wanted it done even sooner, as soon as was possible. Was leaving the gaping, bleeding wound in our constitution worth it? That's the problem. Because with the murder of Lincoln, and the failure to reinforce the rights of the States which legitimately can only spring from the rights of the individual, although the institution of slavery, which is to say a subservient race supporting the party of oppression, is gone, the SPIRIT of slavery is stronger than ever, as now a much, much larger population STILL supports the party of oppression, only now they do it WILLINGLY, as they cover their eyes and ears with their own hands, in exchange for a life of poverty and ignorance.
And that's why they want to remove General Lee's battle flag. Because learning the history of that ONE FLAG requires you to learn the facts that people on the side of the Confederacy were Americans caught in a shit situation who maybe saw what they thought was a greater danger, hiding in the shadow of an admittedly virtuous premise.
Very well put. When I went to school ( N.C, A SOUTHERN STATE ) we did reports on the civil war and it was just what you said it was, "slavery bad"and nothing else. They never mention the political party that sided with each other. They never mention the laws put in place leading up to the civil war and after. They never mention that some northern states held slaves legally while restrictions were imposed on the south. It was a one sided shot at the whole war. Our argument ( those of us who paid attention, at least the best we could with the shitty education system we had ) was always states rights, even though the state was making a huge mistake at the time. The federal government stepped in to put down insurrection and re-establish the union, but failed to give back the rights of the states. That war arguably did more damage to our Republic than probably any other action Imo. It has only gotten worse since those days, as more and more states lose power to an overreaching government. I partly blame the education system for failing our youth but then you have to account for the lazy youth that doesn't care or want to learn. Just go to school, make it through and get outta there.
Mm hm. It's like, I get why the Federal Government had to do something, as the order of rights from Individual to Locality to State to Union was being flipped upside down at the starting end, putting the rights of the States somehow above the Individual, implying that the States GIVE those rights to the individual. And then we ended up with the flip-side of that, where now the Federal Government somehow was deciding the rights of the states. Like, I believe that the Devil, Satan with a capital S, is a real thing. And I think that the build up to, the war itself, and then the AFTERMATH especially, was 100% Satan at work. Nothing did even HALF the damage to the current active source of God's Grace in the world, before or after. No other nation ever stood up and said "Your Rights come from God Himself, so stand into the role of a Human Being that He has given you," and we suffered what seems to have been a mortal wound from that whole debacle.